YTSEJAM Digest 5151
Today's Topics:
1) Greek Tragedy
by Alexander Coassin <alex@nemaweb.com>
2) The TP theory...
by Florent.Diverchy@iup.univ-avignon.fr
3) *MY* Story theory
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5150
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
5) Re: The face scene clearly
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
6) Questions answered..
by "Lauzon, Gary: #IHAB-NGR - AAI-RND" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
7) OAN Update
by Volodya <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
8) Re: the deaths
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
9) SFAM - OH MY GOD and My take on the Ending...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
10) SFAM Story. Hey, it works! *YA YA SPOILERS*
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) a new theory - it actually works
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
12) James speaks about SFaM
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
13) re: The music biz
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) Eve and TLF in Through My Words/Through Her Eyes
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@bellsouth.net>
15) steve albibi article - The Problem With Music
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
16) Re: SFAM - OH MY GOD and My take on the Ending...
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) SFAM (ooh)
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
18) Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
by "Adam Perkowsky" <perk1994@yahoo.com>
19) Re: SPOILERS
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
20) Re: new album cover (no spoilers)
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
21) yep. More of it.
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
22) Common Themes in DT albums
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
23) Re: The face scene clearly
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
24) Home (was: SFaM *Spoilers* )
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
25) Fatal Tragedy
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
26) Dixie Dregs?
by Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
27) Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying??
by MTeiper@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:11:36 -0400
From: Alexander Coassin <alex@nemaweb.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Greek Tragedy
Message-ID: <381867A7.F7B7C464@nemaweb.com>
I think Pieter is on to something... the idea that the therapist is the son of Edward
taking revenge sounds quite plausible, plus the connection with the JFK family
fate is pretty cool and I think a pretty sound theory.
a.
>>Hi,
>>I've just been listening to SFaM all night and I think I know why the JFK jr.
>>news bulletin is there.
>>I think it's there to show that the therapist is actually Edward's son and just
>>like it was JFK Jr.'s fate
>>to die a horrible death because his father did it's the therapist's fate to kill
>>Victoria again.
>>It's one big Greek tragedy. :-)
>>I just haven't found anything in the lyrics to back up that Edward had a son, so
>>I could be way off here.
>>Pieter
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:17:35 METDST
From: Florent.Diverchy@iup.univ-avignon.fr
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The TP theory...
Message-ID: <199910281517.RAA27005@Aglae.iup.univ-avignon.fr>
> From: "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no>
>
> If Nick is Veronica and Julian reincarnetad as one (dance of eternity)
> as someone suggested a while ago, maybe the therapist would kill Nick to
> split them up again? :)
>
I think the therapist is Dr Jacobi, but...
WHERE'S BOB NOW ????? ;)
Florent Diverchy
Twin Peaks Lover in Avignon
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:32:18 -0400
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: *MY* Story theory
Message-ID: <000b01bf2159$9e746f60$b084c5cf@crp.crp.org>
Don't know how accurate it might be - I need to do a LOT more digging (this
is just too much fun):
Nicholas is not Victoria reincarnated. She speaks to him in the present,
which is probably through dreams or another sort of altered reality. My
guess is that Nicholas is either the senator reincarnated (having to see
everything "through her eyes" is his punishment for what he did on his
previous life) or both the Miracle and the Sleeper "confined to this [one]
mind."
This theory, however, doesn't shed any light on the ending. My very
uneducated guess is that Nick either wakes up or kills himself in the end.
There is NO other car pulling in after he walks into the house.
I know how faulty and farfetched this sounds, but I *will* investigate
further :)
joe
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:46:38 -0600
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5150
Message-ID: <NDBBKNMOILDAMICMNNEBCEOECDAA.tbaddley@aircell.com>
> Anybody notice howJame's vocal line in the verses of through Her Eyes
> sound like the verse vocal line of The Boys Are back In Town? :-)
>YES!!! It was bugging me for the past couple of days... I couldn't put my
>finger on what the vocal line reminded me of, and then last night it
finally
>hit me! That's EXACTLY what I realized it reminded me of, and then this
>morning, I read this post! Whew... now I know I'm not losing my mind. At
>least not yet, anyway. :-)
I keep hearing similarities to the verses of Don Henley's "End of the
Innocence" during this part of Through Her Eyes. But I agree, it's also very
similar to the verses of Boys are Back in Town (RIP - Phil Lynott...one of
the best lyricists ever). Also on THE, I love the way JP rhymed the first
and last lines of each verse, and the two middle ones. Unique twist.
Just a couple of comments. I love the way SFaM avoids almost all repetition
(unlike FII, which was pretty redundant, particularly on some choruses and
outtros). This automatically makes the entire CD more listenable to me than
FII. Also, although I can hear outside influences on the CD (Pink Floyd,
etc.), DT seems to be quoting themselves more than anything, with the only
true "stolen licks" jumping out at me being the little Zappa section, which
I happen to love.
- Tom
Westminster, CO
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:46:29 -0500
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The face scene clearly
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C80C1A3@chipola.cc.fl.us>
>Someone was asking about the face on the cover of the album, and
Has anyone else noticed that this is both a picture of Nick and
Victoria. Look at the eye in the upper right hand corner. It is in
black and white. Again, the theme that Victoria is inside Nick. If you
look at the pictures of Victoria, that eye looks like hers except ...
well that black and white eye looks like the person is a ghost or dead.
Again, which goes along with the theme of the album.
Anyone else see this?
The MadTabber
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:30:20 -0400
From: "Lauzon, Gary: #IHAB-NGR - AAI-RND" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Questions answered..
Message-ID: <199910281555.IAA21478@fugazi.torchsong.com>
>-How old is Victoria? She is often referred to as a "poor, young girl."
Is she 8 or 15 or 20? Are the miracle & the sleeper the >same age or are
they older?
Isn't 8 a little young for a girl to have an orgasm? :-)
>-During the 8th minute of Home (my personal favorite) who is talking and
what are they saying? There are some voices in the >background.
As someone said.. sounds like he is gambling and that is just one of those
casino theifs that still your $$$ at those casinos.
Mr. ProG
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:57:31 +0200
From: Volodya <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: OAN Update
Message-ID: <4.1.19991028175010.00940770@pop3.club-internet.fr>
Hello,
Please take a minute to visit OAN Records' brand new site at :
http://oanrecords.free.fr
There you will find a lot of new features : concert reviews, boots
archive, sound samples in MP3 format for all currently available releases,
OAN FAQ, promotional activities, contests and more!
Hope you like it.
Volodya.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:54:40 +0200
From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: the deaths
Message-ID: <002501bf215c$be9aff40$0100007f@localhost>
Eric Thibaut wrote:
> I just heard in Finally Free, it starts with Julian being stabbed
> with the switchblade, then you here Victoria screaming, followed
> by Edward saying "close your eyes, victoria" then shooting here.
> THat's what i hear anyways.
That's what I hear too...
Plus I think Edward shoots THROUGH Julian's stab wound afterwards,
to cover up the stabbing, and make it look like a murder/suicide.
That's why the police is wondering what the switchblade is doing
on the crime scene... Back then they would never be able to tell
there was a stabwound "underneath" the shotwound...
Mark Bredius
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:52:27 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM - OH MY GOD and My take on the Ending...
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CBF9@bham-xchg>
Ok,
I've been listening to it constantly since Tuesday, and I was
expecting big things. But I must confess I wasn't expecting to be
completely floored. This album is definately something special for us all
to cherrish, I would like to thank the boys for delivering (like we always
knew you would...!).
My take on the ending....? Well The Miracle kills Victoria and the
Sleeper, and gets away with it, he then dies and is reencarnated into the
Hypnotherapist. Nicholas unearths the plot and is prepared to tell the
world. This would dirty the Senators good name, so, through the
Hypnotherapist, he disposes of Nick.
WHO THE FUCK IS THIS TERRY BROWN....? sorry for shouting, but I
don't know who he is.... I thought the voice was done by KJLB, but then this
mail turns up on Mikes site....
>hhmmmm.....
>I feel another veil of secrecy coming on!!
>Notice we purposely did not credit that voice
>MP
hmmmm.....Dave (a UK jammer).
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:55:38 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM Story. Hey, it works! *YA YA SPOILERS*
Message-ID: <007b01bf215d$2a01cf20$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
Alright. Here's the past story:
Julian and Edward are twins. Edward and Victoria are lovers, yet Victoria
is unaware of Edward's twin. One day Julian happens upon the scene and
Victoria mistakes him for Edward. Julian falls in love with Victoria and
adopts the guise of his brother to seduce Victoria. (Living this charade is
getting me nowhere). Eventually, Victoria realizes the deception and runs
back to Edward to weep in his arms all night. This is where Edward learns
of Julian's efforts to steal away his lover. (Living their other life is
getting them nowhere).
Eventually, Victoria comes to realize that she loves Julian more than
Edward. She starts cheating on The Miracle with The Sleeper. (He'd kill
his brother if he only knew). Edward finally finds the two would-be lovers
together and kills them. Julian first, then Victoria. He realizes he must
cover up the scene and rearranges the bodies to look like a murder/suicide,
fabricates the suicide note and summons the authorities.
Realize that Edward may be a Senator, but how many people in 1928 knew what
their Senators looked like? There wasn't as much media publication back
then on these people compared to today, so Edward could easily have come up
with the ruse without attracting attention.
Now here's the future story:
Nicholas is the reincarnation of Victoria >and< Julian. All of their sex in
his head at night is driving him crazy so he goes to a Hypnotherapist to see
what can be done about it. The Hypnotherapist lulls him into a sleep and
Nicholas comes to understand the mysterious circumstances surrounding the
nyphomaniacs he was born with.
Anyway, he later wakes up, the Hypnotherapist hands him his bill, gives his
diagnosis, and sends Nick on his way. Nick gets in his car and goes home.
He kicks on the TV, gets bored of all of the crap surrounding JFK Jr's
death, pours himself a drink, and throws on his favorite DT vinyl. Nick
falls asleep forgetting that he ordered a pizza.
Now, hypnotherapy not being in demand like it used to has forced the
Hynpotherapist to take on a part-time job as a pizza delivery guy. Since
Nick is asleep he can't hear that the Hypnotherapist was knocking on the
door and eventually let himself in. He sees Nick sleeping in his favorite
La-Z-Boy and recognizes him as his earlier client. Thinking himself funny
he says, "Open your eyes, Nicholas" and scared the bejeezus out of our
friend Nick, causing him to tip his La-Z-Boy backward, knocking the
turntable out of track in the process.
The Hypnotherapist, fumed after getting no tip from Nicholas, storms out the
door smirking quietly at the satisfaction of a well placed loogey in the old
man's pizza.
The end.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: a new theory - it actually works Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9910281153420.11552-100000@RyansPC.com>
Ok, now that I am convinced that Part 1 comes after home, I listened to the whole thing again "in order". So here is my new theory on the story, please comment on this.
Notice toward the end of Part 1, it says:
Metropolis watches and thoughtfully smiles She's taken you to your home
It can only take place When the struggle between our children has ended
So here is what I see, Metropolis is another nickname (like Miracle and Sleeper), possibly the mother of the brothers (she). The struggle is that they both want Victoria. Also in part 1, I'm assuming Metropolis said "The third arrives...", could this be a 3rd son? So now there is a young child in the "home" where the murder took place, too young to remember it but old enough to have dreams about it. This would place the child in present times in his 70s. So assuming the "present" is 1999, the Miracle should be long dead. So who killed Nicholas? If the "present" was in the 60s, Nicholas would be in his 30s and the Miracle could still be alive to kill his other brother. Now JFK Sr. was killed in the 60s, right? So could that be the connection to the news broadcast on tv? Or, as others have stated before, the Hypnotist could be the reincarnation of the Miracle who came back to kill his brother. The 3 brothers theory seems to work throughout the whole story. In home, all 3 of them say "to my home", as if they all come from the same home.
Please respond to this one, I think I may be on to something here. Ryan
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:48:34 -0400 From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: James speaks about SFaM Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1AB2@HQEXS01>
James said this in the recently-posted interview at UACM: "I'm not supposed to tell you everything about it, but it is a concept album. It's lyrically about regression and a past life. It's a cool story based around a man finding out, by being regressed by psycho therapy, he learned he lived a previously life and in it he was a girl. And this girl was living a life somewhat deceitful and exciting, and the two men she was having a relationship with were brothers.... .I don't want to give it all away but, your dealing with this person who today, this present day, is going to a therapist. And when going through his regression, he learns he was a woman, and did have a relationship with two people, brothers, and ends up investigating his own self due to a tragic happening. Once the album been released, I can go through the whole story. The character's name is Victoria Julian. I don't want to too much, but I will say that we're ecstatic about the whole thing, can't wait."
That "Victoria Julian" comment is kind of confusing, but it may have been mis-transcribed. The rest seems to shed some light on the story, though. I thought I had read a longer "official" statement about the plot, but I can't seem to find it anywhere, now....
Oh well... Zircon the Blue
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: The music biz Message-ID: <19991028170010.16422.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
Stixntrixx@aol.com wrote:
> For example, if a record company advances a band $250,000 to make an album... > you will not see any royalties from the record company until you have sold > enough records for the record company to have made its $250,000 back.
Don't forget the interest on that loan! ;o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:00:48 -0400 From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Eve and TLF in Through My Words/Through Her Eyes Message-ID: <38188140.A56AF16C@bellsouth.net>
OK, someone wanted a response as to the similarities mentioned in the subject. I kind of see the Eve thing a little bit, but the piano melodies in TMW and THE remind me more of the beginning of Another Hand, from LATM. Anyone else hear that? And by the way I think Bear Tracks in the artwork does invoke the image of a Home, especially for those of us that got the promo single, but since all the other images in the artwork seem to be straightforward physical representations of the story elements such as the newspaper, and the note, I think it's supposed to be the house with the pathway leading to it that Nick is drawn to. Oh, and I now also think the Hypnotist did it, and that he's Edward reincarnated. I think there are two reasons. One, he was a Senator with some sort of legacy, and didn't want that tarnished...but then again, Nick had to have a regression to be aware of the details of his past life...either the therapist had to do the same, and he already did it, or there's theory two. Well, fate brought Victoria and Edward together and he killed her, so maybe it's destiny...it was destiny that Edward (therapist) and Victoria (Nick) had to come together and that Edward had to end Victoria's life. But that's just my thought on it. Either way what a masterpiece...anybody even more curious to hear M2 with Derek, since I believe there was a studio demo minus lyrics?
Bobby
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:58:05 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: steve albibi article - The Problem With Music Message-ID: <199910281658.LAA18826@mail.busprod.com>
>The record business sucks for the artist, for the most part. Somewhere >there's a website where recording contracts are broken down to show how they >really work and stuff. If I find it again, I'll post it. It's pretty >interesting reading. It will make you wonder how any band manages to make >any money in this business.
this might be the article you were refering to, I keep it bookmrked for that great music industry article I want to write.
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
bruce
tainted cheese http://clever.as/taintedcheese/
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:12:50 -0300 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SFAM - OH MY GOD and My take on the Ending... Message-ID: <000701bf215f$486a50c0$37351ec8@yunque.net>
Dave the Uk Jammer wrote:
> WHO THE FUCK IS THIS TERRY BROWN....? sorry for shouting, but I > don't know who he is.... I thought the voice was done by KJLB, but then this > mail turns up on Mikes site....
Terry brown produced James labrie;s vocals, hes famous for producing some stuff like Rush and Fates warning I also initially thought the voice was james, but i disposed of that after listening closely...
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:13:36 +0100 From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM (ooh) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991028191336.0070b4cc@online.no>
I picked up SFAM on monday, (european release day) and have listened to it since then:)
Just wanted to hand out my humble opinion, answers and questions :)
SFAM rocks! I am totally satisfied with it! Dream Theater are fantastic!
Well, everyone knew that, so I'll go on:)
Some of you asked what the "schreech" at 2:24 in Finally Free is. This is, ofcourse, and as somebody else also pointed out, the lovely sound of fingers moving on the guitar:)
My current favourite of the album is Fatal Tragedy... I think the lyrics (by JM) fits really good on this. The BTL lyrics are good, but don't fit perfectly... atleast not in the first lines....
Anyway, all the lyrics are really well-written! And the story is a killer! It's _really_ scary when the the miracle says "open your eyes victoria" in= FF!
Someone said they love the album, the only bad thing was the bass solo... hey! what's wrong with the bass solo?? Myung kicks ass! It's sooo cool to hear him show off now and then... I love the solo!=20
The other John also kicks ass! I just love the way his solos in FT and Home kinda takes off like a rocket... starts really down there with John and fires upwards... they're shivering and ecstatic:)
I'd also like to say that the last "Open your eyes Nicholas" gotta be the Hypnotherapist... it's the exactly the same voice as in the beginning of regression and finally free
I really like Jordan. He and Petrucci are really tight and comfortable with each other, they may even out-do Timo/Jens of Stratovarius! Btw Jens, if you're reading, you rule!! You/Timo are perfect with each other!:)
Well, this is only my 50 =F8re oops, $0,02
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
"Working with John is like taking a shower. It's something you do." - John Petrucci about Myung
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:23:55 -0400 From: "Adam Perkowsky" <perk1994@yahoo.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*) Message-ID: <005601bf2169$38c54bc0$17f01004@perk>
Hello everyone, ----- Jenn wrote: > I don't think that it is ever said that he is a senator in 1928. Maybe he > was younger in 1928 and became a senator later in life. Sooo, maybe he > could have still been alive in 1999.
I agree with what Jenn said. This also could be the reason why it wasn't mentioned that the witness to the "murder/suicide" was a Senator. Edward could have been in his late teens-early 20's in 1928 when Victoria and Julian were killed. He became a senator later, and would be in his early 90's in the present. This could also be a motive for killing (or trying to kill) Nicholas. If the hypnotherapist is indeed Edward, he wants Nicholas out of the way so that he won't tarnish the good Senator's name.
I'm still subscribing to the "Nicholas is Victoria AND Julian" theory, based on a couple of things: 1) the lyrics from Metropolis Part I (the both of you...., love is the dance of eternity) and 2) the fact that if Nicholas is the reincarnation of just Victoria, would she be able to talk to him "face to face" ("The Spirit Carries On")?
One other thing: Has anyone noticed that the left eye of the face on the cover (presumably Nicholas' face) is the eye from the pic of the woman below and to the left of the Majesty logo? I think this confirms that Nicholas is at least Victoria. Now, I'm just trying to find where Julian can be in the face (just to try and prove the theory I believe).
In any event, this may be the best album ever!
Take care, Adam Perkowsky
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:35:29 +0100 From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SPOILERS Message-ID: <9SJpaDAhlIG4EwOe@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <000901bf20ae$2afd39a0$013ca8c0@madstation>, Christopher Ptacek <someone@digitalrodent.com> writes > >If you accept that once you hear the JFK Jr. report you're in the present, >AND you believe that Edward IS the hypotherapist, in the same life as the >one in which he killed Victoria, then Edward MUST, no ifs ands or buts about >it, MUST be an absolute minimum of 101 years old. the U.S. Constitution >states that one of the requirements of being a U.S. Senator is meeting or >exceeding the minimum age requirement of 30 years old. 1999-1928 = 71+30 = >101. If you believe that we're NOT in the present when we hear the JFK Jr. >report, then I'd just have to ask why we're hearing a report on a critical >and recognizable event from 1999, instead of something current from whatever >timeframe you theorize it to be?
I believe we are hearing the death of the senator on the TV ( the JFK jr thing is pure coincidence because they used a real TV report) at which point his spirit enters the body of the hypnotherapist who then goes to kill Nick.
Maybe the senator realised that the truth had been discovered at last and the shock killed while he was on Capitol Hill, hence the news report.
Just a thought.
-- Gary Cleghorn
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:45:42 +0200 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new album cover (no spoilers) Message-ID: <38188BC6.40B1847A@home.se>
strangebrew@mindspring.com wrote:
> sdts@home.se wrote: > > Yes, but what's cool about it is the insane dedication some > > people have for finding out stuff about SFaM, and that does > > nothing to detract from the fact that it's disrespectful. > > It's not just UACM, it's all homepages. > > Did you ever wonder if that "insane dedication" was the precise REASON for the "Veil of Secrecy?" It seems the logical conclusion to me.
The discussion had nothing to do with the veil. We were discussing whether or not it's disrespectful to poke around peoples server space (http).
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater Sallskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:sdts@home.se
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:53:31 -0700 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: yep. More of it. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991028105331.00bf5b40@objypop>
>It coincides with a scene at a casino where Edward is hitting it big. The >talking is probably just a dealer or something.
Except it's not. Victoria is with Edward, and that's Julian in the casino. Where are people getting Edward as a gambler from?
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Common Themes in DT albums Message-ID: <199910281753.NAA24990@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
Ok, I may just be pulling for something new to talk about here, but has anyone noticed starting with Awake and including ACoS and a little of FII (mainly Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears and a few others) that there is a few common lyrical themes such as love, deception, and dreams??? Read all of the lyrics to Awake and you will see what I mean, as well as the other two albums between Awake and SFaM. Do you think this is just coincidence, or is it meant to fit into the story of Metropolis II. You really have to read all of the lyrics, because the similarities I have found are just too extensive to post on here. Maybe DT has had this idea ever since Images and Words and have been slowly building up the story line through Awake, Change of Seasons and FII without us really knowing. Just a theory......maybe I am just procrastinating from my school work :) Seriously, give it some thought and share your ideas with me Stephen La Monica
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:23:46 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The face scene clearly Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991028182346.01593558@pi-r-squared.com>
At 09:01 AM 10/28/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>Someone was asking about the face on the cover of the album, and > >Has anyone else noticed that this is both a picture of Nick and >Victoria. Look at the eye in the upper right hand corner. It is in >black and white. Again, the theme that Victoria is inside Nick. If you >look at the pictures of Victoria, that eye looks like hers except ... >well that black and white eye looks like the person is a ghost or dead. >Again, which goes along with the theme of the album. > >Anyone else see this? > You're right! There is clear distinction in the face on the right side, it's pailer and the eye looks different. Damn that cover just rocks, the imagery only enhances the lyrics. I think this is the most cinematic DT album ever, in that it seems to inspire a lot of imagery in the mind's eye.
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:17:23 -0400 From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Home (was: SFaM *Spoilers* ) Message-ID: <F3476C2D6B4BD31189330090278A744004B5BE@PFCMAIL>
Howdy, y'all......
[joe]>Haven't heard anyone mention this yet (and probably nobody cares), but my favorie song is "Home." Such an infectuous rhythm! <
An infectious rhythm? YES! Definitely. The instrumental passages of the song have a great feel to them -- reminiscent of Zepplin and Deep Purple, cool stuff!!! No big deal -- just great sounding similarities!
Another thing that hit me as being truly remarkable about this whole album: Four different persons in the band could go and individually write lyrics that come together so cohesively to tell the entire story! Yes, the concept has been floating around for some years. And yes, they've had plenty of time to bounce ideas around of each other. But still, it's pretty impressive that 4 guys could independently write the words that collectively make the record so fascinating.
be good........ CHRIS =========================================== A Moose once bit my sister... ===========================================
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:26:17 +0200 From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Fatal Tragedy Message-ID: <m11guFd-000K75C@fwd09.btx.dtag.de>
> Me: > (YOU ARE FUCKING AMAZING, > MIKE!!!!), the scheme carries on and in the end the song gets > a bit messy... but it's still good. > > Eh? The ending riffarama fest of Fatal Tragedy is one of the greatest > moments in recording history. I lost control of all bodily functions > repeatedly, and had to change my pants eleven times.
Okay. I have to apologize. I just listened to it again and you are right: It's great. I just noticed that it was still to early to write a review. You can't get the whole of this album after four or five listens!
Alex
I'M GOING TO COLOGNE TO SEE THEM LIVE!!!
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dixie Dregs? Message-ID: <19991028185836.15470.rocketmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey All:
I keep hearing about the Dregs, but the only song of theirs I've heard is DT's cover of Cruise Control on ACOS. What's a good Dregs CD for a new listener coming from a DT/Satriani perspective?
OK, permit me to fantisize: I want to see a shred-funk (I think I just invented a new genre :) ) band consisting of Petrucci, Satriani, and Vai on guitar Victor Wooten and Tony Levin on bass Rudess and Emerson on keys and Peart, Morgenstein, Portnoy, or Jeff Campitelli (or preferrably some combination therefo) on drums
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:04:01 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying?? Message-ID: <0.cfbc3972.2549f821@aol.com>
Hey Gang -
Quick question here: during the chorus of "Home", what are they singing in the background? It sounds like MP and JP singing something behind KJLB during the chorus (ya know the part: "The City - it calls to me, Decadent scenes from my memory..." etc.) and I can't make it out. Does anyone know what they're singing? I don't think it's in the lyric sheet either.
Thanks... Matt T.
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