YTSEJAM digest 5150

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YTSEJAM Digest 5150

Today's Topics:

  1) I WARNED YOU ONCE ALREADY
by "companyexpress@hotmail.com" <companyexpress@hotmail.com>
  2) SFaM ending - SPOILER
by pieter.serruys@sidmar.be
  3) 1920s => Vaudeville => TDOE
by "Nick Bogovich" <bogie@mindstorm.com>
  4) Have you seen the posters?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
  5) the deaths
by Eric Thibaut <nedrapture@netscape.net>
  6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5149
by "Charlie Hamilton" <charlie@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
  7) Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
by "Jenn Williamson" <jwillie@erols.com>
  8) SFAM Story *SPOILERS*
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
  9) The face scene clearly. looks like JP
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
10) Pulp Fiction briefcase
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
11) Re: A message to Bernd Basmer
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
12) 93X caves - SFaM played at local pub
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) Non-SFAM: The Music Biz
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
14) Met. Pt. I ?
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
15) julian and victoria reincarnated
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
16) *SPOILER* Edward 101 years? Why kill Nick?
by "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no>
17) Omg.
by "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
18) House on CD
by Adam Sanford <ahs8t@virginia.edu>
19) *spoiler* Another theory: Why kill Nick?
by "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no>
20) Re: Met. Pt. I ?
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
21) Re: House on CD
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
22) Dream Lizzy
by MTeiper@aol.com
23) dr terry brown-katz
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
24) English accent
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
25) floodgates? hardly
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:37:56 -0500
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To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I WARNED YOU ONCE ALREADY
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:42:16 +0100
From: pieter.serruys@sidmar.be
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFaM ending - SPOILER
Message-ID: <41256818.0024E9D2.00@nsgate1>

Hi,

I've just been listening to SFaM all night and I think I know why the JFK jr.
news bulletin is there.
I think it's there to show that the therapist is actually Edward's son and just
like it was JFK Jr.'s fate
to die a horrible death because his father did it's the therapist's fate to kill
Victoria again.
It's one big Greek tragedy. :-)

I just haven't found anything in the lyrics to back up that Edward had a son, so
I could be way off here.

Pieter

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:49:13 -0400
From: "Nick Bogovich" <bogie@mindstorm.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: 1920s => Vaudeville => TDOE
Message-ID: <000001bf2108$2a1fb800$1b00dc12@METROPOLIS>

Someone wrote this:
>1) The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player piano"
>bit in "TDoE." How could the band let that go? This is SERIOUS music and
>subject matter, and there is absolutely no room in it for a litle musical
>"joke" and yet that is precisely what we get. Yes, his techniques is
>fabulous, but for christ's sake...

Did any of you realize that this little Vaudeville motif thrown in the
middle of The Dance of Eternity relates to the 1928 scene? Go listen to
some old Vaudeville shows and then listen to TDOE again. You'll find
a stunning resemblence to the sound and melodies.

-Bogie

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:48:24 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Have you seen the posters?
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991028064824.0160d580@pi-r-squared.com>

At the Houston release party we had posters from Elektra, and guess what
shows up in the bottom left handed corner. "Visit the official Dream Theater
webpage at www.dreamtheater.net" hell yah. hehehe

Palpatine
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his
house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski

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Date: 28 Oct 99 02:35:59 EDT
From: Eric Thibaut <nedrapture@netscape.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the deaths
Message-ID: <19991028063559.20884.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net>

I just heard in Finally Free, it starts with Julian being stabbed with th=
e
switchblade, then you here Victoria screaming, followed by Edward saying
"close your eyes, victoria" then shooting here. THat;s what i hear anyw=
ays. =

Ned

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:51:48 -0400
From: "Charlie Hamilton" <charlie@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5149
Message-ID: <199910272349023@charlie.dreamtheater.zzn.com>

It was spoken of that it was possible nicolas recieved two, count em two, souls. Although it does say an old soul exchanged for a new or whatever, what about the line "The both of you will be confined to this mind." Well I missed a lot of the jams today so if this already came about then, sorry, but it is quite obvious that DT has been perfecting this story since prt. 1 or they all just looked over prt. 1 and came up with something cool. I may be very sickly informed about all of this so I could have missed a bundle of stuff. If I did sorry!

Charlie

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 03:05:26 -0400
From: "Jenn Williamson" <jwillie@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
Message-ID: <000b01bf2112$d0c89f00$b799accf@w8f3x>

> he can't actually be Edward. The murder happened in 1928. If Edward was a
> senator back then, he'd be long dead.
> jim

I don't think that it is ever said that he is a senator in 1928. Maybe he
was younger in 1928 and became a senator later in life. Sooo, maybe he
could have still been alive in 1999.

Jenn

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:24:26 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM Story *SPOILERS*
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991028072426.01612b78@pi-r-squared.com>

At 12:07 AM 10/28/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
> It was spoken of that it was possible nicolas recieved two, count em
two, souls. Although it does say an >old soul exchanged for a new or
whatever, what about the line "The both of you will be confined to this
>mind." > Well I missed a lot of the jams today so if this already came
about then, sorry, but it is quite >obvious that DT has been perfecting
this story since prt. 1 or they all just looked over prt. 1 and came up
>with something cool. I may be very sickly informed about all of this so I
could have missed a bundle of >stuff. If I did sorry!

I mentioned this last night but noone has commented, or presumably even read
it ;) Seriously folks. I truly believe that Julian and Victoria are BOTH
reincarnated in Nick, and I swear Nick says some of Julian's lines as well..
I'll have to go in there and look for specific moments. There's this whole
eternal love thing going on, and I think by uncovering the mystery, Nick
unlocks both parts of his past life and sets them free so they could be
together forever... until... well you know. I like the idea someone brought
about whether or not Nick really does die at the end depends on whether
you're an optimist or pessimist. I guess we'll never really know. While
listening to this album heading to bed the other night, several parts caused
me to shake a little. Some of these melodies (like Strange Deja vu "I just
can't help myself!" ) are WRENCHING.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:27:46 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The face scene clearly. looks like JP
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991028072746.015e33e8@pi-r-squared.com>

Someone was asking about the face on the cover of the album, and
saying it looked like JP. Look closely near the top of the booklet, near the
font and title. You can see the man's face clearly and it does look kinda
like some pictures I've seen on JP sans beard. All the images in that
collage are amazing and haunting. Much like the visions that Nick recieves.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:13:38 -0700
From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pulp Fiction briefcase
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991028001046.0099e280@sc.llu.edu>

>From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>

>I heard the theory that Marcellus Wallace's (sp?) soul is in the brief
>case. If you notice the code to the brief case is 666. And Wallace has
>two dark holes in the back of his head, which his soul was removed
>through. The devil supposedly removes your soul through the back of your
>head. I think that's it. I heard this theory a while ago, so I'm a
>little rusty. But it seems to flow and make sense.
>Isaac

I've heard this exact same thing from a guy last summer, just after we had
finished watching it. He talked about this theory and many others, which I
can't remember at the moment. Anyways, the plot in Pulp Fiction is a lot
more intricate and mysterious than one might initially think (or think at
all, given any amount of time if they never think about it.). It makes
total sense to me too.
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endangered plant?
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:16:46 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: A message to Bernd Basmer
Message-ID: <4.1.19991028082534.00995340@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>

Hi!

>From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
>Subject: A message to Bernd Basmer

>With all your praise of Dream Theater's new album, I hope you haven't
>lost sight of one important fact...
>You never have to look far to find quality song writing and musicianship.
>Look in the mirror my friend.
>Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist

Wow. :) Thanks. :) Things like these make my days much better :)

Greetings

Bernd

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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior

For info about Superior have a look at
http://www.free-minded.de/
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It's only work if somebody makes you do it.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:32:45 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: 93X caves - SFaM played at local pub
Message-ID: <3817FC1C.8F0B5290@isd.net>

I though you'd all like to know.... 93X is now playing "Home" !!!

On another note... My friend Terry was hanging out at a local Rock/Blues
pub last night. Things were somewhat slow and the DJ was playing some
really bunk shit so he asked the bartender if he could bring a disc in for
them to play. The bartender agreed and in went SFaM.. It was played in
it's entirety! Even with only a few people in the bar, four of them walked
up to the DJ's booth and asked: "Who is this?" The DJ pointed Terry out
and said: "Ask the dude over there, he brought it." Terry did an admirable
job of enlightening them all. :-)

-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 04:54:38 EDT From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Non-SFAM: The Music Biz Message-ID: <0.4a459238.2549694e@aol.com>

Someone wrote: I was wondering some time ago who actually pays for what in a band/record label relationship? The way I figure it, a band signs a contract with a label, and the label pays them perhaps a flat rate per album, plus a small percentage of all albums sold.

This all depends on the specific contract between a given band and a given record company. Typically, once you are signed to a record label will will be "given" a certain amount of money with which you are supposed to make the album (the costs of which depend on whatever type of act you are). Once the recording/mixing/mastering/etc is done, whatever $$$ you have left over is yours to keep, no matter how you finish in the game. However, this money is not a gift, but rather a loan from the record company (called an "advance" or "recording fund"). And as with all loans, it must be paid back. The way this is done is by the record company keeping all royalties due to you until they have made back the money they've loaned to you (a process called "recoupment"). For example, if a record company advances a band $250,000 to make an album, and it ends up costing the band $200,000 to do the album, the extra $50,000 is theirs to keep and do whatever they want with. However, once your record is released, you will not see any royalties from the record company until you have sold enough records for the record company to have made its $250,000 back (btw, royalties are a percentage of the suggested retail price for an album). If you're smart, you will have inserted certain performance accelations based on sales (like you get a 12% royalty for the first 300,000 copies sold and 14% after that). You should know that 99.9% of the bands never make their money back and are therefore "unrecouped" (and eventually dropped). If you are unrecouped after your first album and you are allowed to make a second one, your debt will carry over. So if in the above example you only sell enough copies to make $100,000 for the company, you will still be $150,000 in debt. If you are then loaned another $250,000 to make the second record, you will now have to make $400,000 for the company before you see a dime. That's a lot of records. Now you can see why most bands are unrecouped. Hope that clears things up a bit.

That said, who pays for music videos, for example? From the sound of what Mike's saying, the band would. But wouldn't it be in the label's best interest to pay for a video to get the band/song promoted?

Again, it depends on the contract. With some leverage, you can get the label to split video costs with you (your share comes out of your royalties). As for whether or not videos are in the interst of the label, these days the answer is "no" ON THE WHOLE. Face it, MTV and VH-1 are really the only music channels that count (plus MuchMusic in Canada). The Box is still pretty small potatoes, and most people still don't have M2. With the proliferation of non-music programming on MTV (and VH-1, to a lesser degree), the number of videos shown in a given day are limited. And when they are shown, they are usually by established acts (Madonna, Aerosmith, etc). The number of unknown acts (which DT is by comparison) that are broken (meaning "discovered") on MTV and VH-1 are few and far between. Usually only a handful a year. So odds are that even if a label makes a video for a song, it will only get played on cable access shows. That being said, the costs of videos today are enormous, costing anywhere from $30,000 for a basic wherehouse-type video to the $500,000 mark for the Michael Jacksons of the world. That's a lot of money for a label to spend for video that probably won't get played. Considering they already spent money for the making of the album and will probably spend another couple hundred thousand in promotion and marketing of the album, the money they would have spent on videos is probably better spent on other aspects, like getting the song played on the radio. If there is a decent story at radio (meaning that it has been receieving significant rotation across either regionally or nationally), then there is a higher chance that MTV and VH-1 will play it.

Mike also hints that they would have to shell out money to make a home video... again, wouldn't the label want to subsidize this sort of thing to eventually make a profit?

Home videos usually aren't that big sellers anyway.

Also, what's the deal with actually making albums? For example: studio time, producers, etc. Does the band have to shell out all of this out of their pockets too, or does the label pay for it?

Again, depends on the contract. If you're smart, you make sure the producer is paid by the label (rather handy if you're $500,000 in debt as it is). If the label is smart, they'll make sure the producer is paid by you. Guess who usually wins? Again, if you self-produce, like DT did on SFaM, then the point becomes moot. As for studio time, that is part of what the advance I spoke about before is designed to cover.

And finally, touring? Wouldn't the label want to support a band's tour so that they get more publicity, therefore selling more CD's, etc.

Yes, in theory. That money is called "tour support" and if you're smart you will have negotiated that aspect in your contract. You are fronted a certain amount of money to pay for your tour (in theory). That money is then paid back to the label through, whatelse, royalties. For a band like DT, who gets limited airplay on radio and no play on video, the live show is their main means of promoting themselves. For some reason, getting tour support $$$ from a label is like pulling teeth (I'm sure MP will voutch for that one).

Richie

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 05:32:46 EDT From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Met. Pt. I ? Message-ID: <0.ef314521.2549723e@aol.com>

Here's a question. Now we have a fairly good idea about what SFAM is about, where do you guys (and girls) think that Metropolis Pt.I fits into the entire story line (assuming we've heard the entire story line)? The way I see it, the song picks up right as Victoria starts her relationship with the Miracle, as the Sleeper carries about in his decadent ways, placing it somewhere between "Home" and "One Last Time." Any thoughts?

Richie

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:59:07 CEST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: julian and victoria reincarnated Message-ID: <19991028095907.61173.qmail@hotmail.com>

hi, how about that one jammers theses that Victoria AND Julian are reincarnated in Nick. (with the Met 1 reference). Of course they are not happy there, being imprisoned and all. The reincarnated Edward(therapist) HAS to kill them (aka Nick) to deliver them and they become finally free...

why a senator anyway? has anybody checked the history books on 1928? later, seb

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:12:36 +0100 From: "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: *SPOILER* Edward 101 years? Why kill Nick? Message-ID: <38182FA4.F8295143@colargol.idb.hist.no>

>>< Wait...Matt Mommarts and I figured it out...The Hypnotist ISN't edward >>reincarnated... he IS edward...Victoria was young when she died...and he >>survived the whole thing...now my question...why the hell would a gambling >>senator become a Hypnotherapist??? ><

>he can't actually be Edward. The murder happened in 1928. If Edward was a >senator back then, he'd be long dead.

Well. As someone mentioned he had to be at least 101 years. It is theoretically possible that he is that old, but practically he can't be Edward, because no 101+ year old guy works as a legitimate Hypnotherapist?

>I guess I agree with the popular >opinion, and that is that the hypnotist is the reincarnation of Edward and >when he finds out what nicholas knows, the therapist (Edward) kills Nicholas >because Nicholas knows the true story that Edward is the murderer. Agreed.

>Nicholas is the only one who knows that, and so Edwrad kills him to keep him quiet. >but how would nicholas know that the therapist is edward? he wouldnt, so why >kill him? The therapist wanted to kill Nicholas because he wanted the story to still be that it was a murder/suicide what happened in 1928. Even though Edward is dead he (the therapist) wants to cover the real story. It has to do with renown and pride. The therapist don't want the memory of senator Edward (the therapist himself reincarnated) to be ruined.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:21:46 -0400 From: "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Omg. Message-ID: <381831CA.209AB802@unc.edu>

Just read on UaCM:

a note from Mike Portnoy: "Hi All, Before rumours begin to start flying, I wanted to pass on the latest on our tour plans: Our U.S. tour will not begin until sometime in January. At that point we will begin the METROPOLIS 2000 tour with special guests The Dregs and a 3rd act to be announced....."

Omg. I think I'm going to give my left arm to see at least one of these shows! Dream Theater *AND* The Dregs (a.k.a. The Dixie Dregs, a la Steve Morse & Co., most notably Rod Morgenstein of RPM/Platypus/Winger/etc. fame)?! Someone get me a doctor... =)

On another note, I can second Alexander Coassin's proclamation. The "Otherland" series is truly phenomenal. I just finished re-reading the first book in the series (for the nth time), and I keep uncovering/noticing things that I didn't on previous reads. A good book just doesn't grow old, does it?

-d

-- Daniel T. Chen chenda@cs.unc.edu NP : (hmm, I wonder... :-)

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:37:11 -0400 From: Adam Sanford <ahs8t@virginia.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: House on CD Message-ID: <199910281236.IAA36516@unix.mail.Virginia.EDU>

>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:13:04 -0400 >From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>

>>Stan Tyszka wrote: >> >> >So I still don't get the farm thing...am I just stupid? >> >> the farm is bear track studios. thats it.

> They are referring (i think) to the picture of the house/farm/whatever >on the back of the cd, some people say it represents home, others say >its just bear tracks, for me, its the house named on Strange Deja vu:

>Theres a house Im drawn to. >Familiar set, its nothing new. >And theres a pathway leading there >with a haunted chill in the air. >Theres a room at the top of the stairs. >Every night I'm drawn up there.

I thought we went through this. That house is Bear Tracks Studios (I'm pretty sure), and it also appears on the CD single of 'Home'. There you have it.

Keep in mind that the characters' personal 'homes' are not houses -- Julian's is the city (were he gets drugs, presumably), and Edward's is sex with Victoria. So I'm guessing that the photo of Bear Tracks is just imagery that makes you think of the notion of 'home'.

Adam S.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:27:13 +0100 From: "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: *spoiler* Another theory: Why kill Nick? Message-ID: <38184F31.1A4E8FA8@colargol.idb.hist.no>

If Nick is Veronica and Julian reincarnetad as one (dance of eternity) as someone suggested a while ago, maybe the therapist would kill Nick to split them up again? :)

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com> To: Stixntrixx@aol.com Subject: Re: Met. Pt. I ? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9910280908170.6137-100000@RyansPC.com>

I mentioned this thought last night, play home then Met 1, it seems to fit right in (read my previous post)

Ryan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 Stixntrixx@aol.com wrote:

> > > > > > Here's a question. Now we have a fairly good idea about what SFAM is about, > where do you guys (and girls) think that Metropolis Pt.I fits into the entire > story > line (assuming we've heard the entire story line)? The way I see it, the > song picks up right as Victoria starts her relationship with the Miracle, > as the Sleeper carries about in his decadent ways, placing it somewhere > between > "Home" and "One Last Time." Any thoughts? > > Richie >

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:10:23 -0300 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: House on CD Message-ID: <3817B08F.1629AF31@yunque.net>

Adam Sanford wrote:

> >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:13:04 -0400 > >From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> > > >>Stan Tyszka wrote: > >> > >> >So I still don't get the farm thing...am I just stupid? > >> > >> the farm is bear track studios. thats it. > > > They are referring (i think) to the picture of the house/farm/whatever > >on the back of the cd, some people say it represents home, others say > >its just bear tracks, for me, its the house named on Strange Deja vu: > > >Theres a house Im drawn to. > >Familiar set, its nothing new. > >And theres a pathway leading there > >with a haunted chill in the air. > >Theres a room at the top of the stairs. > >Every night I'm drawn up there. > > I thought we went through this. That house is Bear Tracks Studios (I'm > pretty sure), and it also appears on the CD single of 'Home'. There you > have it.

Yeah i know the actual thing on the picture is Bear Tracks, im just saying that it represents that, at least to me. The same way the actual JFK thing, represents the tragedy with the senator, again, to me. --

Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro , Internet Solutions Inc mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:35:53 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Lizzy Message-ID: <0.e60d5ff4.2549ab39@aol.com>

> Anybody notice howJame's vocal line in the verses of through Her Eyes > sound like the verse vocal line of The Boys Are back In Town? :-)

YES!!! It was bugging me for the past couple of days... I couldn't put my finger on what the vocal line reminded me of, and then last night it finally hit me! That's EXACTLY what I realized it reminded me of, and then this morning, I read this post! Whew... now I know I'm not losing my mind. At least not yet, anyway. :-)

Laterz... Matt T.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:09:58 -0300 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: dr terry brown-katz Message-ID: <3817BE85.A439A8DA@yunque.net>

>< >> It didnt sound like a english (im presuming you mean from england) accent? It sounds a lot like Dr Katz (cool cartoon on comedy central) to me heh

No, the accent is definitely Australian, though not someone still living

there. More like an American/Australian, or an Australian living in the

states for a long time. A South African accent is somewhat similar. ><

The therapist is Terry Brown.

Oh, and Dr. Katz rules. =] Whatever happened to it?

Is this confirmed? Is terry brown british? heh... I think they still show Dr Katz, during the day...on comedy central.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: English accent Message-ID: <19991028142225.1719.rocketmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com>

Graham Borland wrote: >The Miracle can't be the hypnotherapist; whoever heard of a >US senator >with an English accent? ;-) ***************************

He could have an accent if he was reincarnated!

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:39:17 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: floodgates? hardly Message-ID: <19991028143917.60460.qmail@hotmail.com>

>and just like ACOS opened the floodgates for 20 minute epic-type >songs

what songs would those be? "The Ivory Gate of Dreams"? "2112", or "Hemispheres"? "Close to the Edge", perhaps?

My goodness, I simply don't know what those bands would have done had they not had ACOS to open those floodgates for 'em!

partha

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