YTSEJAM Digest 5137
Today's Topics:
1) SAGA
by Jim Gibbons <indyroadie@netscape.net>
2) James vs. Shania
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Spock's Beard on radio
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
4) GOT IT!!!!!!
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
5) veil of secrecy/grassroots efforts
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
6) Re: SRV-Hendrix/ SFaM discussions in the jam
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
7) Dt in da mall :)
by D2112T@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5136
by "Majesty1" <majesty1@club-internet.fr>
9) Re: The "Stick"
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5136
by KOSTAS <karban@rodopi.cc.duth.gr>
11) Re: grassroots efforts
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) Re: Best Buy ad for SFAM; Tiles
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
13) Re: Fear Factory
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) Re: Other Stuff
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
15) Metropolis 2: Scenes from a Memory
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5136
by Dustro2@aol.com
17) CD NOW delivers!!!
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
18) Me the ingrate...
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
19) Re: Mikw Portnoy interview on WBAB
by Lisa Marie Palma <firegirl@FLASHCOM.NET>
20) Re: How do you pronounce...
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
21) 98 Rock
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
22) Oh no
by Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu>
23) Review of Scenes from a Memory
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
24) Re: How do you pronounce..
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
25) Re: SFaM In CDnow Top 10!!! *Album cover spoilers!!!*
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
26) Re: Other Stuff
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
27) re: Various Rants (Derek)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: 25 Oct 99 08:38:18 PDT
From: Jim Gibbons <indyroadie@netscape.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SAGA
Message-ID: <19991025153819.25681.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net>
I have a question for the 'Jam....
What does everyone think of Saga?
The reason I ask is that I recently aquired thier "Defining Moments" CD, =
which
is basically a best of, and I am really digging it.
I wouldn't call them "prog" myself, but there are prog-ish elements, and =
even
some stuff that reminded me a little of DT.
Anyone?
Jim aka Roadie
NP: Anything DT I can get my hands on to pass the time until tomorrow!
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:37:06 -0600
From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: James vs. Shania
Message-ID: <003601bf1eff$0b4f3fa0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>reproducing it live...When was the last time you heard him sing Innocence
>Faded's second verse "properly"?
Does it matter? Ask Mr. Mike Patton. I read an article on theonion.com
recently about his work with Mr. Bungle (and FNM). Here is his take on
studio vs. live.
"When we write music, we don't think about playing it live because that's a
no-no. I totally am not into that. So what you do is make a great record,
then figure out how you're going to play it live. "
And I totally agree with that line of thinking. If James can wail in the
studio, but can't quite hack it live, I think that's a compromise that the
band's willing to take. Although, I thought James sounded fucking good on
the home video and there were lots of positive comments I remember reading
as well about the shows. IMO, James is doing better than ever. I'd
probably bitch if I heard him crack on the CD, but not live.
>who seems obsessed with staying in a male register. "Man! I feel like a
>woman!"? Funny, you neither look nor sound like one...)
Shania not look like a woman?!? lol! That's about like saying, "That
Ferrari doesn't look like a car."
"Man! You must be a eunuch!"
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Spock's Beard on radio Message-ID: <199910251545.LAA26620@gl.umbc.edu>
> >And does anybody know anything about the baltimore rock station at 97.9? > >They play Rush constantly, and lot's of Queesryche too, so they should > >be receptive. But maybe all the Godsmack evens it out, I dunno...those > >guys have to be the biggest AiC ripoffs I've ever heard.
Even worse than ripoffs: they just plain suck.
Yeah, 98Rock does play quite a bit of Queensryche (Empire stuff). Plenty of Rush. Plus they have Aq at night, and he's just the greatest jock this side of Dee Snider. ;)
> This would be 98 Rock. Used to be better, but still the best radio station > in the area. (DC/Balt) Does play lots of Rush and played SB "Skin" as a > smash or trash. Did promote DT back in the Awake days as well. Best chance > of all stations. Can't listen to it from here, tho.. :^(
I agree here: used to be better, but right now they're, like, the least of 3 evils (98Rock, DC101, and the abyssmal 99.1 WHFS).
I don't remember much support in the Awake days, but in the I&W days, hells yeah. I heard Under a Glass Moon IN ITS ENTIRETY on 98Rock once (granted it was 4 in the morning). They used to have a show called "The Moshpit" and one night they kicked off the show with the live version of Metropolis - Part 1 from LatM - again, the whole unedited thing. The day of the phenomenal Pier Six Concert Pavilion in Baltimore's Inner Harbor, James and John P. were in the 98Rock studio and played, on the air, the acoustic version of Another Day (just like the one on acoustic dreams).
As far as Spock's Beard, yeah, I remember when they Aq played that. He said, before he said the name of the band, that it was the coolest band name ever (Aq is a big Star Trek fan). My girlfriend called me at work to tell me "They just played the Beard on the radio!!!!!!" and I was pretty psyched about that.
Oh, and it's not "smash or trash," it's "Love it or Shove it." ;)
> Was it smashed or trashed?
Shoved by a landslide. I HATE this town.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:50:06 +0200 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: GOT IT!!!!!! Message-ID: <38147C2E.F105CC0C@siol.net>
IT KICKS ROYAL ASS!!!!!!! I fuckin' love it!
Matej
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:13:30 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: veil of secrecy/grassroots efforts Message-ID: <19991025161331.65203.qmail@hotmail.com>
A lot of non-american jammers have been complaining about the fact that the "veil of secrecy" is to be lifted on the AMERICAN release date. On the jam, I skip over anything with "spoiler" in it, I know almost nothing about SFAM. I think we should all keep writing *spoiler* in the subject lines of our posts until long after the 26th, to do all of the non-american jammers a favor. And if that idea doesn't catch on, would it kill ya to unsub until you've got SFAM?
on a completely different note, someone mentioned that grassroots efforts can work *occasionaly*....wow...sometimes I think I'm the only hippie on the jam =^). Does anyone remember about ten years ago when Phish, Widespread Panic, Aquarium Rescue Unit, Blues Traveler, Bela Fleck & The Flecktones, Dave Matthews Band, and a few others developed a huge unerground following with absolutely no radio airplay or MTV exposure? Today, thanks to those guys, there's a huge jamband scene, which relies completely on grassroots fans, often SHUNNING MTV exposure + corporate radio airplay. Granted, Blues Traveler + Dave Matthews later went the MTV + Radio route, and look what happened to them? Now their concerts are swamped with drunken, violent, Backstreet Boy-loving phonies, who are only there because they saw the band on MTV, so it's ok (or more often, REQUIRED)that they like them...I would HATE for that to happen to Dream Theater. My point? If people want to listen to a type of music OTHER than what's force-fed to them by corporate entities, they'll FIND IT ON THIER OWN! We all did, am I right?
-Banjoman np: Widespread Panic - Light Fuse Get Away ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Face the knowledge that the truth is not the truth - Neil Peart ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:19:07 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SRV-Hendrix/ SFaM discussions in the jam Message-ID: <199910250915001@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>> And, after all, >> it was Jimi who came up with the original stuff... > >Well yeah, but I much prefer Hendrix's version of "All >Along The Watchtower" to Bob Dylan's.
I agree, in spite of what I said in my original post... Hendrix's version kicks some major ass... Just to add a thought that wasn't clear in my post is that I, too, agree that he was overrated as a guitar player...
Now, on to another subject, I think the veil was something pretty cool to create excitement on us, the fans... But I think that by starting to discuss the new album here in the jam tomorrow, you may do to all of us jammers outside of the US exactly what you didn't want people to do to you, which is discuss it before you've had a chance to listen to it... Anyway, I'll try and avoid reading the tons o' reviews that will be posted here as of tomorrow, 'cause American jammers are still the majority here, so I don't think these reviews can be stopped... Just wanted to remind you that a few of us will have to wait a little longer to get our hands on the album...
Later, Adriano
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:20:55 EDT From: D2112T@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dt in da mall :) Message-ID: <0.7c286c35.2545dd67@aol.com>
To anybody going tuesday night....I am five tall with crazy blond curly hair....come say hello :) I tried to get my students to come too, but when I asked "does anybody here like dream theater" ...they all looked at me like I was crazy...damn college kids :)
============================================================ -darlene m. toporcer D2112T@aol.com Lecturer of Aviation Weather "...the true sign of intelligent life in the universe is that it hasnt tried to contact us..."
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:25:31 +0200 From: "Majesty1" <majesty1@club-internet.fr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5136 Message-ID: <005a01bf1f05$99946500$f5679ec2@z3h6z1>
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:17:57 +0200 > From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> > To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: Vanden Plas > Message-ID: <v04210100b43a12f42849@[192.168.1.1]> > > > >We should ask Mr. Bredius about this. I mean, Vanden Plas are Dutch aren't > >they? > > Uh... no. They are from Germany. But the name, Vanden Plas, is indeed > supposed to be Dutch. No Jaguar. ;-) > > Pronounciation? It's something like fun-dan-plus. Not exactly, but > you'd get away with it ;-)
No prononciation of Vanden Plas is Van (like the van) den (as for Dragon's Den from SymphonyX) Plas (like the "a" in van)
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:25:30 +0200 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The "Stick" Message-ID: <3814847A.3F0A21C8@siol.net>
>> Do these guys have a CD out? Also, What is the "stick". I have heard >> Myung uses it occasionally but I don't know what it is... point me to a > >Go here! >http://www.stick.com/ > >It's a 10-string stringed instrument that is played with both hands tapping >on the fretboard. Commonly referred to as simple a "stick" but technically >called the "Chapman Stick." > >It's a sweet instrument. I'd like to try playing one someday. :) >-- >KorgX3
http://clever.net/stick/stickwire/ is a cool page about the stick too.. It's indeed a sweet instrument, I'm buying myself one soon :)
Matej
P.S. Anyone on the list owns one? Share the experience please :)
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:29:28 +0300 From: KOSTAS <karban@rodopi.cc.duth.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5136 Message-ID: <38148568.1DBB400A@rodopi.cc.duth.gr>
I dont want any other mails ok?? Thanks
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:57:57 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: grassroots efforts Message-ID: <iss.ca4.38148c04.9a0f0.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> Original Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:25:54 -0700 (PDT)
> can work *occasionaly*....wow...sometimes I think I'm the only hippie on > the jam =^). Does anyone remember about ten years ago when Phish, > Widespread > > Panic, Aquarium Rescue Unit, Blues Traveler, Bela Fleck & The Flecktones, > > Dave Matthews Band, and a few others developed a huge unerground > following with absolutely no radio airplay or MTV exposure?
Well...only DMB, Blues Traveler and Phish developed a large following really...although Widespread Panic is getting there. I think Blues Traveler didn't do it until after they were on the radio, and now that they're not on the radio anymore John Popper is playing the same clubs that DT plays.
Two other points I would make: 1: given the fact that the Dead and other similar bands have done the same thing, I think we can conclude that the "jam" scene might be exception to the general rule, and 2: the success of a half dozen bands out of however many thousands start each year, does, I think, still fits the adjective "occasionally" pretty well.
Also, remember that these bands generally get the support of "hippies" as you said :) from the college age groups, and they're perennial darlings of college radio. So, even though it's not corporate radio, there's still radio involvement. It's tougher when there is near zero radio support, when it's truly a word-of-mouth affair. Which is what it usually is for harder-edged acts like DT.
> Blues > Traveler + Dave Matthews later went the MTV + Radio route, and look what > happened to them? Now their concerts are swamped with drunken, violent, > Backstreet Boy-loving phonies, who are only there because they saw the > band > on MTV, so it's ok (or more often, REQUIRED)that they like them...I would > HATE for that to happen to Dream Theater.
Heh, don't worry, thankfully I doubt Dream Theater will ever be poppy enough for that to happen to them. :)
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:58:45 -0400 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Best Buy ad for SFAM; Tiles Message-ID: <015c01bf1f0a$33ca6760$0200005a@Kez>
Pat Daugherty wrote: >The sunday newspaper Best Buy flier had DT listed in the new cds coming out >on Tuesday. Of course Alice and Chains, STP, etc got an album picture while >DT just gets listed... Getting mentioned though is big.
I noticed this as well. Thought it was a pretty good sign of SOME progress. I plan on harassing the poor dweebs at Best Buy to make sure they have it in the racks Tuesday MORNING.......
And then Pat also said: >As for Tiles, the disc gets better after each listen. This disc is getting >surprisingly good!
I had the exact same reaction. I wasn't initially that impressed, but something made me put the disc in again and again, and now I like it A LOT......give Tiles a chance people.
Kez
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Fear Factory Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.9910251314060.7729-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, TheCowGod wrote:
> Fear Factory is one of my favorite bands. The music, as has been pointed > out, isn't THAT interseting when you compare it to prog - its more rhythmic, > not as much melody. but i like that :) i love the drumming, especially on > Demanufacture. that cd is a double bass drummer's wet dream :) my favorite
I recently got "Obselete", and hearing the beginning of "Edgecrusher" just kicks my ass every single time. From the beginning sample into the opening riff just makes me want to punch someone in the head......
:)
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:20:09 -0400 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Other Stuff Message-ID: <01e101bf1f0d$33cbe6a0$0200005a@Kez>
Someone pretending to be Mr. Ptacek wrote:
> I hate the idea of anyone pretending I really have enough experience to >offer "a critique." I'm still a punk ass college student shredder dude, >with my own formulae for inserting my head up my ass. I'm just offering >opinions and nonsense, like everyone else.
Ok, I KNOW this wasn't written by the Madsman himself, so will someone please cop to the impersonation? Ptacek being self deprecating....yeah, right.....and SFaM is only another CD........suuuuure. :)
Just kidding Chris, just don't think I've ever seen this side of you before.......
Am I BORING YOU? :)
Kez
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:44:57 +0200 From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metropolis 2: Scenes from a Memory Message-ID: <m11foAz-000JlQC@fwd14.btx.dtag.de>
Hallo!
It's way too early to post a review, but there was something I noticed. When I listened to the album for the first time, I loved the first three tracks but was kinda estranged about the rest, it seemed either too heavy or too soft. I missed the typical Dream Theater tunes and there was too much riff repetition. Now I am listening to it again and I love it.
Nothing will ever top Images and Words, but this is close! I love this band, dammit!
Hopefully, they will continue writing such great music!!!
I'm be eager to see your reviews!
Alex
NP: Beyond this Life (Isn't "Overture 1928" one of the greatest instrumental pieces they ever wrote?)
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* Every breath takes me one less to my last * PULL ME UNDER (Dream Theater) * Kjeldoran's should rule supreme. And for the rest ... death! * AVRAM GARRISON
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:55:04 EDT From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5136 Message-ID: <0.bd548cdf.2545f378@aol.com>
First of all Sarah I love you...
Now My Local store "KIS THE SKY" will be staying open till 12:30am for me tonight so i will beable to have a listen today!!!!!! im soo pumped...I dont think that I have ever been so happy just for a Cd release. ill be sure to tell u all about it on tonights Jam! Just ps. I think that the total DT Sales would be some were around 900,000 to a mill. get back to me on that one....
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:18:00 -0700 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CD NOW delivers!!! Message-ID: <19991025.231800.247.3.willeyatc@juno.com>
I got my CD now order shipment confirmation. Has anyone else got their confirmation? They say they sent it out on the 23rd. Just thought I would let people know that they are shipping at least some of our CD now pre-orders!
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:31:31 -0500 From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Me the ingrate... Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F01EE88D9@ustcax09.kcc.com>
Neil Gallop said:
> Some ingrates are already saying they hope the band > won't play the new stuff back-to-back all the way > through - I can only hope they do. Albums like this > are meant to be heard (and played that way).
So why am I an ingrate if I say this (which I did)? I made it pretty clear that I had no problem with a lot of the new album being played in concert, but I don't want to see it done at the expense of the rest of their catalog (which it definitely will if they play all 70+ minutes of it every night). If they have to do it that way, I'd really like to see a two-set format. The new album with maybe an intro song (Met I, perhaps?), break, and then a display of their other spectacluar work. I'm just not a big fan of shows where you might as well put on the album and run it straight through - you know exactly what's coming. What's coming is amazing stuff, but I just think it kills all suspense during the show.
Besides, Neil, if you don't need your Viagra when listening to the new album at home, image the dire (and maybe embarassing) consequences of listening to it straight through live... :-)
The Ingrate (Adam Pye)
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:52:07 -0700 From: Lisa Marie Palma <firegirl@FLASHCOM.NET> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mikw Portnoy interview on WBAB Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991025114225.0222a668@mail.flashcom.net>
At 07:34 AM 10/25/1999 -0700, you wrote: > > >Umm...would that be the band "Second Coming" or is that what they're >naming the project...if so the name is already taken...and Second Coming >is a BADASS band...especially if you like The Tea Party, definetly check >them out. > >Scarred2112@aol.com wrote: > >> 22) Mike confirmed the name of his new side project as "Second Coming".
It's actually "Second Nature"... and I believe that's the name of the *album*, not the project. I'll verify that later today, and let you guys know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lisa Marie Palma firegirl@flashcom.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:22:11 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: How do you pronounce... Message-ID: <001f01bf1f1e$43d0caa0$38e81dc3@sasa>
>From: JamesAhab@aol.com
>here's two tough ones. How do you pronounce "Therion?" And an >even harder >one: "Vitalij Kuprij"?
hmmm... don`t know about Therion (i know how we folks in Croatia say it :-)) but Vitalij Kuprij should be like this...
V (just pronounce letter "V") then "thal" and then "E" V-thal-E ... but it shoudn`t sound so "broken"... let it "flow" :-))))
Khu-pree
hmm that should do it... heh, give it a little practice :-))
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:29:30 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: 98 Rock Message-ID: <199910251529.AA1013187006@pressroom.com>
>Was it smashed or trashed?
>From reports, trashed. That isn't suprising, considering that song is a little too pop for that station.
Jason
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Oh no Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9910251519390.23799-100000@bluedevil.cc.fredonia.edu>
This isn't looking too good. I just checked the status of my SFAM pre-order, and it's showing it on backorder already. I -hope- this is just some mistaken middle ground between "order in process" (which it was shown as this morning) and "shipping," but I doubt it. Let's hope it won't be on there for long, and that all the other jammers' discs will be sent out soon. Oh yeah, I pre-ordered mine on September 27th.
The good news is that they shipped the other part of my order, which was for the -other- awesome DT band - Dark Tranquillity. The new album Projector should be here any day now, any jammers have opinions on it ?
Drew
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:29:50 +0200 From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Review of Scenes from a Memory Message-ID: <3814AFAE.6A5B@wxs.nl>
By the time this message reaches you guys, it's almost midnight here (Europe, continent of lucky bastards who've had the album since last Friday), meaning the Veil of Secrecy has just about lifted. For those of you interested in a couple of spoilers (actually, a full and detailed review), surf over to http://w3m3.fortysecond.net and check out the 'music' section. It's not a first-listen review - initially, in fact, I was rather disappointed at the album. Only after a fourth listen did it start to grow, and right now I can vouchsafe that it'll attain a status similar to "Operation Mindcrime" in my musical mind... -- \= Richard Karsmakers - richard@fortysecond.net - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC2000; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar; Allies | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:43:31 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: How do you pronounce.. Message-ID: <002f01bf1f21$40defa80$38e81dc3@sasa>
>From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@cafe.ee>
>I don't speak Ukrainian myself, and the only Slavic language I feel at >home with is Russian, but my bet is Vee-'tah-lee Koo-'pree. Mind the >accents.
oops, I wrote my version of the pronounciation before i read your post... anyhow, you definately got it right! That`s what i tried to say with my "V-talh-E Khu-Pree" version... :-)). God, it`s so hard to explain to you english-speaking folks how to pronounce a word from one of the slavic languages... :-)).
NP: Savatage [Dead Winter Dead] - Sarajevo
heehee... i would`ve asked you guys how you pronounce Sarajevo but i heard CNN reporters do it countless times. Pretty close to the original, if i may add... :-))
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:56:04 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM In CDnow Top 10!!! *Album cover spoilers!!!* Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991025195604.015aee98@pi-r-squared.com>
At 08:09 AM 10/25/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=152137459/pagename=/RP/TOP100/inde x.html > >Yes ladies and gents...overnight SFaM beat out Dixie Chicks, and Indigo >Girls (ulch) to take over #10 and now the cover is posted...can we make >it go to #1?????
Damn! And people say that DT fans can't do anything. We didn't even have a concentrated movement going on here! Cheers everybody. This rocks!
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:05:07 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Other Stuff Message-ID: <199910251605.AA404423274@pressroom.com>
> come up with bands who had their "breakthrough" hit, > then a few lean albums > (in terms of mainstream/commercial success), and > then finally got big (at > least relatively speaking, not necessarily > platinum-selling big). I think it > would be an interesting thing to look at.
Not to be funny, but what about Meat Loaf? He had one great album and it took him 15 years to follow it up.
I'm looking at DT having a career like Rush. Just good consistant production with a solid fanbase, but doesn't really make much of a splash on the airwaves. If that keeps DT around for 25 years, I'm all for it.
Jason
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Various Rants (Derek) Message-ID: <19991025200031.3970.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
]From: "Jason Skewes" <jskewes@sightline.com>
> First - am I the only one who's reading these Derek Sherinian interviews and > thinking - 'Man, what's his problem..?'. I mean, I realize he got booted > out the band, but for him to sit there and say that 'I was hardly the weak > link in that band'. Come on. One listen to the new CD will set that > straight. Now - according to Derek - all progressive rock > has turned into 'Spinal Tap'...
Yeah, I read that interview. It was interesting. My interpretation of Derek's "weak link" was that he was refering to James vocals (combining that with his statement about "Opera Singers"). Coincidently, the issue of James singing style has resurfaced at the same time (see: KorgX3's little brother test). While I would say that Derek seems a bit bitter (as would be understandable seeing as he was booted), his statement about James singing style has been shared by many. It wasn't a huge revelation. Many people have stated that James style is not in huge public favor right now.
But who gives a damn?! Excessive guitar and keyboard playing is not in style any more either! If DT really wanted to make a hit in today's market, every member of the band could tone way down and make a popular- style song. (i.e. no guitar solos, James could sing lower as in Space-Dye Vest, Jordan could just sit back and trigger some industrial-style samples, etc.) That still wouldn't guarantee a hit. It might be interesting for one song, but I like Dream Theater because of the style and ability of the players. I don't think anyone would want to see them change to fit the current, popular mold.
In defense of Derek, he probably had little to do with the style changes that were evident on FII. It seems like it was an experiment and a change of pace for DT, and Derek was just a by-stander. (Of course there was the void left by Kevin, but that's a seperate issue and there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that. Just leave it at the fact that there's lots of Kevin Moore fans out there.)
It's my take that Derek was just booted for being a goof-ball. He wasn't very serious. Who wants David Lee Roth on keys? Not only that, he didn't like the style of music DT plays. His real opinion is out now, and he's making fun of it. Who out there would want to keep him in your band if he's totally the opposite of everything you stand for? He'd be a much better fit as a new keyboardist for Poison. There he could "play with the women and play lots of notes"* to his heart's content.
my $.02, BH
One more day, and I haven't heard a single note yet...
* Exact quote from Derek was: "I am a 100% Rock n Roll keyboard player who loves to play a lot of notes. I also love to play with the women !!!!!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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