YTSEJAM Digest 5129
Today's Topics:
1) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5128
by administrator@itsyourlife.com
2) Re: Nice customer relations!
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
3) Connections......hahaha
by Portnoy420@aol.com
4) SFAM Release!!!
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
5) Baa baa black sheep, gots yo any wool, foo'?
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Re: Connections......hahaha
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
7) Re: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
8) Re: Veil of secrecy in Europe?
by Eddy Huisman <Eddy@jem7bsb.com>
9) ACoS?
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
10) digital vs. analog
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
11) Home-SPOILERS
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
12) re: YJam drug discussion
by "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com>
13) Vision Divine, Royal Hunt, Alchemy X etc reviews !
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
14) new DT
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
15) THE NEW DT ALREADY RELEASED, fri 22nd!!!
by "Henrik Hansson" <hehapoco@hem2.passagen.se>
16) Re: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
17) Re: amazon.com sucks
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
18) Re: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
19) re: YJam drug discussion
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
20) Now playing SFAM in Sweden!
by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
21) buying music
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
22) Home on Dish Network Power Rock (spoiler if you're avoiding Home); 93X
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 0:27:49 -0400
From: administrator@itsyourlife.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: administrator@itsyourlife.com
Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5128
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:56:03 -0700
From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Nice customer relations!
Message-ID: <19991022.215604.-1575259.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
Ok, I just finished 5 years in a livetime.... It freakin rocks of
course... I was a little skeptical but the end just blew me away...
Seeing DT live is what it is all about.. even if the closest i get is
through my VCR....
I am listening to Home now.... it so rocks....
also
I think that comment by the seattle paper is a compliment.... i think
they meant heavy shit as in "thats good shit man!!!"
ytsejon
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:55:39 EDT
From: Portnoy420@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Connections......hahaha
Message-ID: <0.49af707c.254299cb@aol.com>
Mark Bredius Wrote:
> NP: Scenes From A Memory (fresh from the record store!)
Dennis then wrote:
WOW.. you didn't even get a free copy?
:)
copy?:)---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I'll do you all one better.....
I don't even have a packaged copy yet!!!!!!!!!!!
They shipped straight to Europe and forgot about us measley band members..
(We only made the fucking thing!!!)
Hopefully, my copies will arrive via Fed Ex tomorrow morning....
ENJOY EVERYBODY!! and I'm looking foward to reading reactions starting
Tuesday!
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:21:01 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM Release!!!
Message-ID: <000d01bf1d16$66520300$18c7868b@user>
Who knows what the Australian release date is???
We always seem to be The Last In Line (no Dio pun intended *L*).
I've tried to find out the date of release, only to be told, "It'll be here
when it gets here!"
Paul. (Mr. Evil) ICQ:40660551
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>
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:48:58 EDT
> From: JamesAhab@aol.com
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: Veil of secrecy in Europe?
> Message-ID: <0.7c19f4f5.25428a2a@aol.com>
>
>
> >< Why would we spoil the surprise for people in the US by giving out
EVERY
> possible detail BEFORE the 26th simply because SOME countries in Europe
> already have the album available in stores? ><
>
> What about the countries that don't get it until after the 26th? There are
> some, aren't there? Europe can't talk about it until the US gets it, so
> shouldn't we have to wait for the rest of the world?
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:54:05 -0600
From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Baa baa black sheep, gots yo any wool, foo'?
Message-ID: <003601bf1d1b$19e19580$750d84d0@safelink.net>
>It's a simple equation to anyone a little less piggish.
*maniacal laughter is heard as a large group of frenzied, savage
schoolchildren drop a large boulder on Al's head, but it turns to a cry of
despair as it is deflected by its extremely soft, ultra-absorbant, 2-ply
coushiness.*
> Um, since forever. Either that, or they play what's popular, which sorry
> say, doesn't include DT no matter how many rabid fans are on this list.
Actually, I watched a thing on 20/20 last year, and they showed that it is
common for many radio stations (especially the more popular metropolitan
ones) to accept "payola" in order to play songs. Although it is illegal to
pay money for airtime, it isn't illegal for record execs to offer "gifts" as
a means of bribery. (sounds like politics, eh? Well it is.) It's not
necessarily what is most popular, but which lines their pockets (in a
sense).
The music industry is just like politics. The station managers are like
elected officials and record execs are like all of the asshole
industrialists paying them under the table for their support. They always
claim they have the interests of their listeners (voters) in mind, when they
could care less. They'll just keep on doing what the lobbyists want them to
do and the people follow blindly like sheep. The people that speak out are
easily brushed off and quelled. Well, we tried to speak out at least. It's
better than sitting with our thumbs up our asses wondering if DT will get a
chance to make another album or get any new fans.
> Oh please. I'm sure a self-appointed tech god like you could get the
>single off the net in about 2.3 seconds if you wanted to hear it that much
That's not the point, though. The point is (this is key, don't miss this,
junior brainiacs) we're trying to expose new blood to our favorite band. It
has nothing to do with whether we can download it or not. Shit, Mike
Portnoy himself could come over to my house and play all of the percussive
parts of SFAM to the CD on my manboobs and I'd >still< call the radio
station and request it. We're an obsessive, expanding cult here. We can't
just sit at the side of the road and pick up stragglers, buy them some soup,
and ritualistically shave their scrotums (It's breathtaking, let me assure
you). We have to expose them en masse! Where did alot of you first hear
DT? On the radio? Hmmm? Pull Me Under on MTV? Do you think that if DT
hadn't been on the radio or MTV you would ever have been introduced to them?
For some, maybe likely, but others no, probably not.
>READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to 93X
The only flaw I can really see in that, Matt, is that the officials at
(insert your favorite FM station here) are paid to take these requests.
It's not necessarily a choice for them to. :) It IS their station when you
come down to it, but they also have to keep in mind which hand is parting
their hair and which one is scratching their balls. No listeners, no money.
Sure they may be able to say "We can afford not to play this album and lose
this fan base" but to me it would seem easier if they satisfied everyone by
playing the DT single once sometime in the middle of their 12 hour "Nookie"
marathon. But politics and simple sensibility are definitely not siblings.
As for the lying part... No, I never listen to that station. What concern
is it of mine then? Re-read the above. What concern is it for Pro-life
activists in New Jersey if the state of California passes a law that allows
premature termination of pregnancies? Have they no right to speak up about
it and let their feeling be known, even if they're a continent away? I have
just as much right to send a letter to the good folks at 93-X asking them to
support DT, imo.
Anyway. I'm back and as pissed as ever. :) Take care all!
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:21:22 -0700 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Connections......hahaha Message-ID: <19991022.232122.-291351.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
LOL!!!!!
>Shit, Mike >Portnoy himself could come over to my house and play all of the percussive >parts of SFAM to the CD on my manboobs and I'd >still< call the radio >station and request it. We're an obsessive, expanding cult here.
HAHAHAHAHAH, there ya go Mike P., Something to do until your CD's arrive!
But hey if ya want i'm sure there are people on this list who could tell ya where to get each song and where to get the liners to print out.... you could just package your own from what is out there on the internet prior to the official release.... ahhh yes, the veil.....
(the sarcasm is getting thicker as we get closer to """DT-Day""")
our last weekend without it.....
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:46:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910230234370.21277-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Matthew A. Schnoor wrote:
> By encouraging nearly fifty (?!?) people to email the station, we > create a glut of mail. We lose the aspect and friendly visit of the > advocate visiting once, and take on the aspects and negative traits of > a crowd of advocates knocking on their door at all hours of the day > and night. How receptive will they be to our requests then?
Well... requests are by that nature exactly that: requests. If a hundred people write in to request DT's "Home", why would you deny them that? I mean, technically, a radio station DOES cater to its listeners, and as such should be receptive to what its listeners ask it to play.
> And by encouraging people outside your area to contact the station, > we've lied to them in just a small way. These people, unless they > listen to the webcast, aren't going to be hearing the station nearly > often enough. They aren't even part of the valid listening audience > in the local area. Having a webcast makes their requests just a bit > more valid, but I still don't think it's the best way to approach > this.
The webcast is exactly what this radio station can depend on for hearing good music. The thing about this is that while the Backstreet Boys may or may not be at #1 (I hadn't paid attention to what number they were at on the CDNow list), this is NOT the style of music that this particular radio station caters to. So in that respect, the DJ who replied with that flame was incorrect. Of COURSE the station won't play BS Boys - they're not the right style of music for the station. However, Dream Theater is metal (or hard rock, depending on what type of influence you're trying to push here), and as such has a right to be played by that particular listening audience. I find nothing wrong with pushing the fact that DT was number 15 on the list (I believe that's where they were at the point of Al's last post); this type of radio station should find that info out and realize that a lot of people are interested in this kind of music and since they are a metal station, PLAY that kind of music.
> Knock softly, act nicely, and let them make their own decisions. > That's the best we can do, really.
I personally find nothing wrong with having several dozen people send their requests in to a radio station - ESPECIALLY one that has a webcast. You could easily say, "Look, I brought several dozen listeners to your station, the least you can do is humor us and play the song we like." I mean, what can it hurt, honestly, to add a single song or album to your playlist rotation. And in addition to this, the whole "This is a has-been band" argument really gets me angry, since whomever's comment was that they were playing Kiss at the time he received the email. What the audience wants is what the audience should get - and while when I wrote to the radio station, I mentioned that a station IS a business entity (I can realize that in the grand scheme of things, they're tring to make money), it still should cater to the wishes of the audience.
I'm not trying to fight any causes here. (Well, maybe a small one.) I just feel that the current method of business when it comes to the music business is headed in the wrong direction. Why SHOULDN'T the music business cater to the whims of the people that support it? I mean, hell, the people are what make it possible. It's like baseball players not willing to sign autographs of their cards for free anymore. Hey, WE'RE the ones who made you a star, the least you can do is show your appreciation.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:16:17 +0200 From: Eddy Huisman <Eddy@jem7bsb.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Veil of secrecy in Europe? Message-ID: <38117CE0.A7C3112A@JEM7BSB.com>
Mark Bredius wrote: > > Eddy Huisman wrote: > > >> Could someone please give me a good reason why there is a > >> veil of secresy till October 26 when in Europe the CD is > >> already in the stores almost everywhere (listening and > >> looking to it right now)? > > Why would we spoil the surprise for people in the US by > giving out EVERY possible detail BEFORE the 26th simply > because SOME countries in Europe already have the album > available in stores? >
Allright, then I ask the question why would we spoil the surprise for people in all countries where the album is out later than October 26 by discussing it as of Tuesday.
It is OK to spoil the fun for them, but not for American people...Hmmmmm? -- ____ __ __ __ __ _ _____ / __/___/ /___/ /__ __ / // /__ __ (_)___ __ _ / ___ \ ___ / _/ / _ // _ // // / / _ // // // /(_-< / ' \/ / _ `// _ \ /___/ \_,_/ \_,_/ \_, / /_//_/ \_,_//_//___//_/_/_/\ \_,_//_//_/ /___/ \___/ Eddy@JEM7BSB.com-------ICQ:14208477-------http://www.JEM7BSB.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:53:09 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ACoS? Message-ID: <003001bf1d3c$f87f5180$62ed1dc3@sasa>
*lurk mode off*
hi! long time no... post? :-)) anyhow... I just picked up ACoS half an hour ago in a music store. Okay, before anyone starts to flame me with "how can you be on the Jam and not owning ACoS?" type-of-posts... I had my friend`s cd here for months. And last week i had to return it... But, i noticed one thing. The picture on his cd had some trees on it, in brown colours... like the picture was taken at sunset, or at dawn. And the version i bought today is pretty much simple... it`s like a picture of sky in some orange colours. Very nice... although i liked the "trees" version better. Oh well... anyhow, my cd is probably a newer print or something?
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:08:33 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: digital vs. analog Message-ID: <38119731.3526103A@pacific.net.ph>
Al,
What do you personally do nowadays with releases that are put out primarily on CD and maybe some crappy cassette tape? I mean, how does someone who digs analog so much deal with the fact that crappy cassette tape is the only analog format for most new releases? And is your "analog" hardware just relegated to having to play your old records or, perhaps, reel-to-reel recordings? Or...do you just buy an "audiophile" grade CD player? I don't really know much about who even makes such things. I've heard of Linn. That's about it.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:20:48 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Home-SPOILERS Message-ID: <38119A0F.45EBA89D@pacific.net.ph>
Does anyone who has heard this thing think that the boys really have learned how to groove. That riff that JP plays during the early verses with James singing, "Shine...Light..." is kicking me in the butt. Damn! Damn, forget just the verse! Who am I kidding? It all kicks butt.
-Rob
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:16:46 -0400 From: "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: re: YJam drug discussion Message-ID: <001f01bf1d3f$b751cdc0$bf21f7a5@com>
I'm not a drug user at all, but I do highly reccommend 2 or 3 drinks at a DT concert, just enough to give a light happy buzz. I did that at Great Woods in MA with DT opening for DP, and lets just say I was singing along a hell of a lot louder!
~~Art Webmaster http://www.joestump.com
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:46:59 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: "ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Vision Divine, Royal Hunt, Alchemy X etc reviews ! Message-ID: <3811A033.EA461959@hm.telia.no>
Hello ! Go to Barcode to see a reviews of the cds ! Link below.
Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway ! NP: Lanfear- Zero Poems --=20 Writer for: Barcode: http://zap.to/barcode Through Different Eyes: http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/ Renegade Online Magazine: http://www.renegaderock.com.br/
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:11:59 +0200 From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: new DT Message-ID: <3811B41F.24E9@wxs.nl>
What with the new DT being readily available in the Dutch record shops (White Noise, Utrecht, anyway)...I bought the album yesterday morning and the first impression is a mixed one. More balanced but less heavy. Quite a few bits of acoustic guitars, quite a high "The Silent Man" factor on several songs. With the album called "Metropolis Pt 2: Scenes from a Memory", I wonder what the 'original' Metropolis 2 would have sounded like... Mind you, this is a first impression. First time I listened to "Awake" I didn't like it at all and now it's one of my faves. This wasn't a review. -- \= Richard Karsmakers - richard@fortysecond.net - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC2000; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar; Allies | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:24:24 +0200 From: "Henrik Hansson" <hehapoco@hem2.passagen.se> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: THE NEW DT ALREADY RELEASED, fri 22nd!!! Message-ID: <000b01bf1d59$ed7dc240$c077d1d4@hansson>
HEY THERE!!!
Just wanted you all to know that here in Sweden, the new DT is already = released!!! What a pleasure it is to live in this country!!! And what a = pleasure it is to listen to Metr. 2: SFAM!!! Man, it sure kicks a$$!!! = And it's a pretty good story they've come out with too!!! So, you people = that won't get it until tuesday, go to Sweden and buy it TODAY!!! HA!
Henrik Hansson e-mail: hehapoco@hem2.passagen.se Home Page: http://hem2.passagen.se/hehapoco
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:04:14 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to Message-ID: <iss.4eb5.3811c05e.22aa0.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> Original Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
> was incorrect. Of COURSE the station won't play BS Boys - they're not > the > right style of music for the station. However, Dream Theater is metal > (or > hard rock, depending on what type of influence you're trying to push > here), and as such has a right to be played by that particular listening > audience.
You all just don't get. You don't have ANY right to hear ANYTHING on the radio...it's privately owned by some person or corporation and they can play whatever songs they damn well please, for any motivation. Sheesh. Get over it all ready. Quit trying to be the defenders of the faith and just enjoy your music. There's something a little pathetic about people who are so utterly desperate to have their taste in music, clothes, movies, or anything else validated by someone else.
-Brian
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: amazon.com sucks Message-ID: <19991023141200.17717.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com>
--- Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> wrote: > > I > got it today, and it turns outto be Once in a > livetime. Needless to say, i > am aggravated. Why sell an import of a CD you can > get domestically? What > the hell is that? Now, I have two cop8ies of OIALT > and don't know what to > do withthe second. I can't rade it for anything that > I don't have since it > is an official release and I bet all of you have it. > What do I do? How do > you prevent this kind of stuff from happening? And > thirdly, where do you > all find these bonus track type CDs and boots?
Let me start by saying amazon.com does indeed suck. A lot. Now then, I sure hope you haven't opened your new copy of OIALT. If amazon.com are anything like BMG, they give you a grace period to ask for a refund or trade it or something. You could check into amazon.com's policy on this. I would advise you to do so b/c it might be worth your time and energy to do so. Good luck to you.
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault." Me
:: listen to music :: Metropolis-- http://members.xoom.com/metrotrent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:16:56 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to Message-ID: <iss.51d7.3811c356.f1210.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Doh, hit post too quick on that last one...
Responding To: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> Original Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
> I personally find nothing wrong with having several dozen people send > their requests in to a radio station - ESPECIALLY one that has a webcast. > You could easily say, "Look, I brought several dozen listeners to your > station, the least you can do is humor us and play the song we like."
Oooo, several dozen, who *might* listen a little here and there until the song is played, and then stop (but who probably won't listen at all), out of the many thousands that listen on a daily basis. There's a significant group all right. :P
> mean, what can it hurt, honestly, to add a single song or album to your > playlist rotation.
If you play a song in regular rotation that is probably going to make half your regular listnership turn off the radio...that's bad news for advertising. Face it, we all think DT is damn cool, but most people just don't dig that kind of music.
> And in addition to this, the whole "This is a > has-been > band" argument really gets me angry, since whomever's comment was that > they were playing Kiss at the time he received the email. What the > audience wants is what the audience should get
Haha, this is a big fucking joke. Um, how many people go to KISS shows right now and want to hear KISS on the radio compared to people who go to DT shows and want to hear them on the radio? I rest my case.
> I'm not trying to fight any causes here. (Well, maybe a small one.) I > just feel that the current method of business when it comes to the music > business is headed in the wrong direction. Why SHOULDN'T the music > business cater to the whims of the people that support it?
Hah. First of all, in this case, none of you people support this station. You don't live around here, and don't even try to tell me you would have become regular listeners of their webcast. Secondly, they DO cater to the people that support it...that's why you still hear KISS on the radio. People want to hear that. People want to hear, God knows why, Limp Bizkit, Korn, NIN, all that shit. You just need to accept the fact that for most people, music is not something to really sit and reflect on; it's something to have a good time to and not really pay much attention to it. That's why people like quick easy songs. That's why most people don't like DT/Fates/blah blah blah. Yeah, by our definitions that's some great music...but not everyone is like us. Open your eyes and your mind.
And yes, the music industry sucks, but radio doesn't mean shit. Radio is in the pockets of record companies. If you really want to make a difference, start getting people to put their money where their mouth is. Don't buy any records, from ANYONE. Don't try and rationalize it with "support the artists" because, news flash, those artists you're trying to support are mostly going broke working day jobs with or without that dime per cd. If you really believe in this cause, don't buy another cd, and get others to do the same. Better yet, get boots or pirates of the albums and send your $15 directly to the band. Are you prepared to do that?
Didn't think so.
So quit bitching.
-Brian
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:18:47 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: YJam drug discussion Message-ID: <iss.525f.3811c3c6.cb04c.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com> Original Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 03:25:41 -0700 (PDT) > > > I'm not a drug user at all, but I do highly reccommend 2 or 3 drinks at a > DT > concert, just enough to give a light happy buzz. I did that at Great > Woods > in MA with DT opening for DP, and lets just say I was singing along a > hell > of a lot louder!
And probably annoying the people around you a hell of a lot more. ;D
-Brian
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:44:47 +0200 From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Now playing SFAM in Sweden! Message-ID: <B437A48E.391%jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
Just a hint to all Swedish DT Fans...
SFAM is out!
I just happened to walk into a record store here in Gothenburg (Bengans) and there it was! All I had to do was line up to the cashier with a silly smile on my face....
Cheers, Janne
NP - <veil on > ********** ** *: ****** **** * ****** <veil off >
--------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Melander WM-Data jan.melander@got.wmdata.se --------------------------------------------------------------- "Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled" Innocence Faded - Dream Theater
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:14:23 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: buying music Message-ID: <38117C6F.1C6947EF@mol.com.mk>
an oldie ...
> When I was younger, I bought every guitar related album I could > find... as a result I have a shred archive with a lot of great and > a lot of terrible players. But the method for finding out whether > I liked them or not was always to buy the album, whether I'd > heard of the dude or not.
There is another less harmless method (for those who ARE financially harmful) - borrow from a pal or whomever (if possible), listen and THEN buy what you liked. Saving tons of money and saving time as well.
In some parts of the world these things are still appretiated! :) But I better shut up before this goes in the thread section ... AGAIN!
> From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> > > No wonder I'm doing so badly at school now-if anyone tells you that > rock and roll is bad for the brain, they're right.
I'm living example it's not true! :) When I do mathematical equatations I do it best while head-banging. :) I find myself more and more studying with louder, rockier music. And it doesn't bother me at all. Dunno why but here I remembered the conflict in "FootLoose" movie. That crappy theory that r'n'r and dancing is evil 'n stuff. Brrrrr, awful time to live in ... means we would all be antichrists there! :)
On the other hand, maybe a person really is a nutcase if he enjoys the noise called Paradigm Shift! ;) -- CyberDuke, I'm nutcase and I'm proud of it ________________________________________________
"What do you think about it?" "Shocking!" "Yeah, but do you think it was funny?" "Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
The 2 balcony fossils, "The Muppet Show" ________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:53:08 -0500 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Home on Dish Network Power Rock (spoiler if you're avoiding Home); 93X Message-ID: <000701bf1d6e$b4a9d3e0$013ca8c0@madstation>
Hey, I just heard the radio edit of Home on Dish Network (satellite tv) on the Power Rock station (it's cd quality music, no video). That made me rather happy. :) I have to say, while I totally understand and agree with anyone's right to like or dislike this tune, or any tune, that on this listen, for the first time I really heard all of the complexities in this tune. There's a lot going on that's masked... I'd go so far as to say that I am not 100% pleased on how far back they hid a couple sick guitar runs. The drums and guitars are on a level with ANYTHING DT has ever done before. Really fantastic. The keys in the radio edit don't show everything that's in store for the listener, but you all have recent examples of Jordan's playing, so there's no reason for you to have any apprehensions. Just wait till you have the album, and ... man!
I agree and disagree with M-Bone and Brian on the 93X thing. Yes, I think that the way this was organized was incomplete and therefore inherently flawed. No, I do not believe that that DJ has ANY excuse for going off like a dick. The problem with the analogy M-Bone presented is that this is a commercial radio station that accepts, and likely WELCOMES requests. Just because you don't like the request isn't a valid reason for being that unprofessional. As a Ytsejam poster you can fly off the handle, and it's cool. As a commercial business, you never get that right. Not if you EVER want my business. I know that if I lived in Al's region, that post right there would be the end. I would never listen to that station again. Then again, I have all the cds that I like that these stations would play... so why would I want an FM quality signal? It it were requests we were sending, that would be fine. But a lot of the posts seem to be attacks, more than requests. That makes it kind of obvious that this is something that's been organized. If they got that vibe, and had any inclination, it'd be easy to see who owns the domains people are posting from. I would assume that in this case, the dudes wouldn't accord freemail services with much importance, because Al could set up 100 identities for himself if he cared. But if they had enough brain power to do a little search, it wouldn't take long to realize that most of the requests came from out of state. That makes it look less honest, and more like a cheesy attempt for airplay. I know that was not the intention. If anyone's going to try this again, I can't recommend highly enough that you make sure all of your requests are just requests... not complaints that "You don't play this song..." I really feel that the biggest faux pas made was that some people quoted stuff that came from Al's private mail. I assure you, 100 requests will be more important to a station than a group of 100 people with an organized goal. The fact that we were such a group should have been masked.
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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