YTSEJAM Digest 5128
Today's Topics:
1) 6:00 o.clock on a friday evening - DT on VIVA
by christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer)
2) Derek's Vibe and other DT stuff (possible spoiler)
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
3) amazon.com sucks
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
4) Re: YJam drug discussion
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
5) Re: 6:00 o.clock on a friday evening - DT on VIVA
by Rob Grant <robgrant@mediaone.net>
6) Re: Nice customer relations!
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
7) READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to 93X
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
8) Re:Al's analog rantings
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
9) Re: Re:Al's analog rantings
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
10) Re: Nice customer relations!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
11) Yeah for Dave!
by MAD1661@aol.com
12) Re: Nice customer relations!
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) Re:Analog/Digital
by Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
14) Re: Veil of secrecy in Europe?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
15) 93 X - let's move on
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) SFAM (no spilers)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
17) Re: Nice customer relations!
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
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Date: 22 Oct 1999 18:02:00 +0100
From: christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 6:00 o.clock on a friday evening - DT on VIVA
Message-ID: <7RKeJ59TkeB@christoph.ds.domino.de>
Hey Jammers,
One hour ago, I saw MPU on VIVA!!!
VIVA is the biggest German Music TV. They play only Mainstream stuff,
especially BSB and the whole other shit we have in this country on Air...
They even have no special hardrock show or something like that. It's
really unusual...
Some friends watching VIVA called me up to tell me, DT is on VIVA... I
screamed it out lud... :-) My neighbours must have been thinking I was
killed by a murderer... :-)
I think the reason is the new Album. The promotion for it is very strong
this time.
The new Rockheart has a review and gave the highest marks I've ever seen
in this magazine since one and a half year...
Ciao
C.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:13:50 -0500
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Derek's Vibe and other DT stuff (possible spoiler)
Message-ID: <001701bf1ce3$1b36e6c0$013ca8c0@madstation>
Wow. You would bitch because Derek thinks music should have a sense of
humor? Music WITHOUT a sense of humor in it gets really tedious, if you ask
me. I think all of my favorite albums have some humor content in them. DT
DOES suffer from some stuffiness at times, but I think Jordan is going to
help them with that... he's got a wacky side, as witnessed on LTE. There's
NO WAY that Derek will be forgotten. His influence is STILL in the music.
You can hear it in Home, and the sounds Jordan used. It's totally different
at times from what he sounded like on LTE and on RMP. It really seems like
you're grasping at straws to find a reason to put Derek down. Why do you
care to do that?
> From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
> Subject: Re: What is considered "public" information?
> I'll repeat my original comment again (some people just don't get it ;o)
Yourself included.
> "You're trying to sneak a peek at something that obviously is not meant
for you to
> see"
>
> It would be different if you were browsing an ftp site. If Mark wanted you
to see
> and download everything that's on his server space, he would have linked
it on his
> homepage. That's what it's there for. One could thinks it's sloppy to
upload files
> you don't want to share but I still think it's very disrespectful to be
searching
> for files on a homepage's server space.
This is bullshit. Public FTP and Public HTML are the same thing. It's
storage space on a server. If you don't implement some form of security on
your directories, then you have put it online for public consumption. If
you don't want people to find it, don't put it online in a public directory.
That's what you're not getting. A web server is not a place for archiving
ideas... it's a place for displaying them. Clearly, anything left in public
like that is not something "obviously not meant for you." You're insulting
a guy for seeing something that's there to be public. Something that's
there on display (whether intentionally, or because a webmaster is lazy...
it is irrelevant. Public documents with permissions set so that ANYONE can
see them, are PUBLIC DOCUMENTS.)
Mark is not a lazy webmaster. He knows how the technology works. He
knows not to leave sensitive materials online. If he screwed up, and left
something online, he's not gonna bitch about the person who found it, but
rather smack himself in the head and say "Doh! I should take that down!"
> password. My point is you shouldn't have to. I consider the server space
of a
> homepage as holy ground and should be left alone by unauthorized persons.
That's an ill thought premise. I don't know of anyone else, period, who
treats his public files as "off limits to the public." It seems kind of
foolish. You can't put something on display and complain if someone sees
it.
> From: Eddy Huisman <Eddy@jem7bsb.com>
> Subject: Veil of secrecy in Europe?
> Could someone please give me a good reason why there is a veil of
> secresy till October 26 when in Europe the CD is already in the stores
> almost everywhere (listening and looking to it right now)?
Because Mike Portnoy asked for silence, and because no one feels like
that's an unreasonable request. I've had the album for a few weeks now, and
I don't talk about it. Why can't you just chill?
> From: Lisa Marie Palma <firegirl@FLASHCOM.NET>
> Maybe because Dream Theater is a U.S. band... if DT was from Europe,
things
> might be different.
I doubt it. I think they just want it to be a simultaneous experience.
The majority of the people who will be buying the album and dsicussing it
right away will have it by the 26th. I think that's more likely the
reasoning.
> From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
> Yes, but what's cool about it is the insane dedication some people have
> for finding out stuff about SFaM, and that does nothing to detract from
> the fact that it's disrespectful. It's not just UACM, it's all homepages.
You're pawning off your lazy attitude on other people. The disrespect
is that you're going off on people who are doing nothing wrong. If you
can't password protect or set permissions on your files, then YOU have the
responsibility to learn how, or you have the option of just accepting that
what you put in your public html directory is public information, like it or
not.
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:09:16 -0700
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: amazon.com sucks
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991022190617.00966c20@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
I was on amazon.com a few days ago, just looking at their music selections
nd typed Dream Theater into the search engin. I got the usual responses
back, and burried in the imports, I saw a live bonus CD of some kind. For
$24.94 with shipping, I figured what the hell. The site gave no info as to
how many CDs or the track listing. Now, thee is a CD floating around that I
have heard two mp3 tracks off of called LIve bonus tracks orssomething that
had the Caught in Alice's nine inch tool garden and a live version of Take
away my pain from the birch hill 95 shows, so I thought this was the CD. I
got it today, and it turns outto be Once in a livetime. Needless to say, i
am aggravated. Why sell an import of a CD you can get domestically? What
the hell is that? Now, I have two cop8ies of OIALT and don't know what to
do withthe second. I can't rade it for anything that I don't have since it
is an official release and I bet all of you have it. What do I do? How do
you prevent this kind of stuff from happening? And thirdly, where do you
all find these bonus track type CDs and boots?
-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:34:14 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YJam drug discussion Message-ID: <3810F476.6FB83DCF@ucla.edu>
Yeah man, listening to Dream Theater while wasted outta your mind is great! I mean, not only do you not get to hear the music much because your mind is so busy thinking you're on another plane of reality (and I really hate those pesky fits of paranoia from too much speed use, real bummer), but sometimes your friends underestimate the potency of the junk and end up lapsing into unconsciousness. Nothing ruins a good buzz while listening to progressive metal like someone overdosing on you.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:54:01 -0400 From: Rob Grant <robgrant@mediaone.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 6:00 o.clock on a friday evening - DT on VIVA Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991022195401.007aab30@pop.mw.mediaone.net>
You mean PMU, right? Otherwise I'm very, very confused :P
At 04:24 PM 10/22/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey Jammers, > >One hour ago, I saw MPU on VIVA!!! >VIVA is the biggest German Music TV. They play only Mainstream stuff, >especially BSB and the whole other shit we have in this country on Air... >They even have no special hardrock show or something like that. It's >really unusual... >Some friends watching VIVA called me up to tell me, DT is on VIVA... I >screamed it out lud... :-) My neighbours must have been thinking I was >killed by a murderer... :-) >I think the reason is the new Album. The promotion for it is very strong >this time. >The new Rockheart has a review and gave the highest marks I've ever seen >in this magazine since one and a half year... > >Ciao >C. > >
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 05:32:09 -0700 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nice customer relations! Message-ID: <19991023.053210.276.1.willeyatc@juno.com>
Hey, not trying to make any enemies here...... I just think that calling DT a hasbeen band is pretty disrespectful to the band themselves... Yeah, I was pissed and shouldn't have ranted like a 5 year old... sorry about all that, but even if the guy is the coolest in the world he can at least respect the wishes of his listening audience.... imho....
> I agree completely with what he said...if you like the band > so much, put 'em in your damn cd player. You're not winning any fans by being > assholes to people. Grow up.
I don't think I am being an asshole... and if you agree with what he said then are you really a DT fan anyway? (not you personally brian but anybody in this case....) and the point is we can't put them in our CD players cuz they aren't for sale! All this bitchin and monin will stop when we get the CD and we will all start talking about the music itself instead of trying to hear it on every radio station in the country.... sorry if I whined to much...
so much for trying to stand up for DT on a DT listserve!!!
ytsejon...
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:09:14 -0700 (PDT) "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> writes: > > This guy is actually pretty cool. He's the only person at that > station who > plays any real music, he does the metal show in the middle of the > night
> > -Brian > > ---------- > >From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> > >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > >Subject: Re: Nice customer relations! > >Date: Fri, Oct 22, 1999, 5:58 PM > > > > > > > DICK "nick" wrote... > >> >hours in a day. And we might not play it everyday. I don't > know > >> what to > >> >tell you but annoying e-mails about a hasben band is not going > to > >> get your song played... > > > > Damn man, HASBEN BAND????? Thats pretty rough... What is this > guy's email > > address.... frick man, we should gang up upon this prick..... > > That just pisses me off.... no one freakin knows what talent is > these > > days... music is only considered "good" if you play the hell out > of it on > > the radio and girls throw off their tops to the "band" during a > > concert..... > > I say screw them, I was listening to their shit on the web feed > but no > > longer will i do that! We tried Al...... > > > > really pissed..... > > ytseJon > > (maybe its just P"sfam"S: Pre -SFaM Syndrome) > >
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: al@isd.net Cc: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: READ: Radio advocacy - an analogy, and alternate approach to 93X Message-ID: <19991023005850.10920.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com>
Al,
I'm concerned that your 93X campaign may not be turning out exactly as you had planned. I thought about mailing this privately, but I've been seeing enough people on the YtseJam who should probably read this, IMHO.
--
93X's Nick has a valid point about the Backstreet Boys, and playing what they choose to play. It sounds like 93X, from your descriptions, is catering more to the hard rock market. Playing something out of their format would probably not be in their best interests. I agree, DT could benefit from the exposure of occasional or frequent airplay, but are 93X the ones to do it?
He also has a valid point about the timing and "24 hours" of listening time. Granted, you can't listen to the station all the time. If they happen to play it at 4AM when you aren't listening, it's still airplay. Consider that for a possibility. You've got to sleep sometime, and it's inevitable that you'll miss some of their station programming. Granted, it's not the optimal time for radio airplay.
I'd be willing to bet that Nick has received closer to 145 emails, given the list of people that you report as having mailed the station and requesting "Home" to be played. If you were in his situation, what would you do?
--
Imagine this analogy. One day, you hear a knock on your front door. Somehow, somebody happens to walk to your house, interrupt your listening time (on your top-notch stereo, no less!) and ask for your undivided attention for a few minutes. You walk up and answer the door, and it's some well-meaning religious advocate (pick a religion) wishing to spread the word to you.
If you only get ONE brief visit from this guy/girl, and they act extremely professional and polite, and present their pitch in a non-threatening manner, would you at least hear them out? I'd be willing to bet a good majority of Americans would listen for a few minutes, accept the pamphlet or brochure, and wish them well as they move along. Some of us won't, and that's okay too.
Whether or not you decide to accept their way of religion or thought is another matter entirely. But the fact remains, a single, brief, polite and friendly visit would be accepted by a lot of people.
If that person came back once a month, with a different pamphlet or newsletter, I'm sure a good number of people would be okay with that. It isn't too obtrusive, and after all, they are friendly. Their religion may be worth considering after all.
If that person came back every week to check on you, it would start to be a little uncomfortable. Are they trying to force this issue on me?
If that person came by every week-night, it'd be downright annoying. Damnit, they're just too persistent.
If that person encouraged their friends of the same religious persuasion to stop by your house as well, how much more would you stand?
If their friends also stopped by every night, whether at the same time or staggered intervals, it'd start to drive you insane. They would practically interrupt whatever evening relaxing time you had, and you would get quite cranky.
If, by chance, any one of these people acted in a manner which was non-professional, pushy, unfriendly, or remotely hostile, what opinion would you have of this person? By stereotyping, which happens quite often, what thoughts might you have about that religious group and all its members?
If you got a flood of people who were all banging on your door every night, simultaneously or separately, and threatening you until you accepted their way of worship, would you not call the police and have them removed, if not banned, from your property?
If these people started camping at your house, shouting, holding candle-light vigils, or singing songs at wee hours in the morning to disturb your sleep, or vandalizing your yard or house, or spreading slanderous words about you to the rest of the community, would it not be grounds for legal action?
Something to think about, at least. Does my analogy make any sense?
As a radio station, 93X is obligated to choose an audience, choose their music, and play music for that audience. They finance this by collecting revenue through advertisements and sponsors.
They aren't obligated to play anything they don't want to. (Or, if their playlists are dictated to them by a higher source, anything they aren't told to.) In a sense, we aren't even their "customers" since we don't buy their product (it's free), we aren't stakeholders or in a position of authority over them, and we aren't obligated to choose their product either.
We can't expect 93X, or any other rock radio station for that matter, to bend to our wishes and play any songs for us. They aren't obligated to. They really don't have to. And if they don't want to, who are we to second-guess their choices?
We all know that playing "Home" on any radio station would be a good thing for Dream Theater, for exposure and possible converts. We agree that new converts equals better potential sales, and therefore more money for our boys. Those facts aren't in dispute.
But if we're going to be requesting that stations do play "Home" or any DT single, or any other song by a prog or progmetal band, perhaps we need to re-think our methods of doing so.
Instead of encouraging people to mail them, we need to encourage the opposite. Sending out a message like "Okay, three or five people have e-mailed 93X and asked for 'Home', so let's leave them alone to process it and make their own decisions" would be a far better thing to send to the Jam, in my humble opinion.
By encouraging nearly fifty (?!?) people to email the station, we create a glut of mail. We lose the aspect and friendly visit of the advocate visiting once, and take on the aspects and negative traits of a crowd of advocates knocking on their door at all hours of the day and night. How receptive will they be to our requests then?
And by encouraging people outside your area to contact the station, we've lied to them in just a small way. These people, unless they listen to the webcast, aren't going to be hearing the station nearly often enough. They aren't even part of the valid listening audience in the local area. Having a webcast makes their requests just a bit more valid, but I still don't think it's the best way to approach this.
Plus, if by chance one of the listeners decides to get militant and start threatening the station, or waging a campaign against them, what little hopes in hell we have will vanish completely. My grandfather taught me that "Honey attracts flies far better than vinegar does." In this case, a tiny droplet of honey works even better.
Instead of keeping a list of stations and their e-mail addresses and encouraging people to send, we should be doing the opposite. We should be listing stations, a few people's names who have already e-mailed, then remove the address. We should encourage people to find their own stations in their areas, e-mail them a scant FEW times instead of many, and then adding to the list so people know not to flood the stations with requests. Spread our efforts broad, not deep.
Another thing to consider - the recent trend in radio stations is for a bunch of larger companies to purchase smaller stations in one or many listening areas. Sometimes, these holding companies can own stations in many diverse areas. If they get wind that a bunch of people are being forceful or rude in requesting Dream Theater airplay, has anyone considered that this may be echoed to the station owners, and this may hurt DT's chances for exposure in more than just one listening area?
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Al, I realize you've got the best of intentions, but I have to question your actions in bringing those intentions to fruition. I hope you understand that I'm not attacking you personally. I think you're a great guy and an extremely smart jammer, and I am always educated and enlightened by your posts on YtseJam. If I ever happen to travel to your area, I hope we can meet up sometime and chat for a while. Heck, you could probably play me some vinyl on the stereo from hell, and blow my ears away. I'd be up for that. :)
I want Dream Theater to get airplay too, don't get me wrong. But if we as YtseJam, the somewhat official mailing list for Dream Theater fans, want our band to be advanced to radio markets and encouraged for airplay, we need to be very VERY polite. We need to remember that the people on the other end of that email address are people too. One or two sour requests, or a few dozen requests, and we can spoil our chances for good.
Knock softly, act nicely, and let them make their own decisions. That's the best we can do, really.
October 26th comes very soon. Let's try to hold ourselves together for just a few more days.
-- Matthew A. Schnoor (aka Gerb) -- mschnoor@yahoo.com -- http://www.gerb.org/
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:23:26 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re:Al's analog rantings Message-ID: <38111C1E.66F42CF9@isd.net>
I probably shouldn't post at this time because I'm in a really shitty mood.. But I guess you'll have to take the good with the bad..
Paul Fini wrote: >O.K. - that's all fine and dandy _if you have flawless analog tapes, much >less vinyl records_. Aren't you skirting the issue of lifetime here? Every >time you play your priceless record on your priceless turntable, you're >degrading the quality of said record. Sooner or later the *snap, crackle, >and pop* of the resulting record will seriously detract from the listening
This statement is obviously coming from someone that has never owned a hi-end turntable. You probably have had a problem with severe record degradation. However, if you'd buy a real table instead of one of those cheap-ass consumer grade lathes they try and pass off as a turntables, you wouldn't have those problems. It also helps if you don't handle the record like a frisbee. And NEVER set down or lift the needle mid track.
>experience, since all that noise seriously distracts from other subtleties >intended to be heard. If I accidentally scratch a CD, I can wipe out the >scratch with a polishing kit (assuming the scratch doesn't make it to the >aluminum) and the CD is good to go... can this be said of vinyl? On another >note, if you're willing to re-record your vinyl to reel-to-reel on a continual >basis, that's your choice.
Oh yeah, re-recording every 20 years or so is a real hassle... That's 5 plays every 100 years. After 100 years your precious CD will be reduced to a pile of aluminum oxide dust. You do know CD oxidize, right? An album with only five plays on a GOOD turntable will still be at 99% of it's original condition. Properly stored albums will last for centuries. Unless you're willing to store your CDs in a vacuum or some inert gas, it's life span is several times shorter than the life span of vinyl. It has been said that properly stored vinyl will last forever. It is well known that the CD has a finite life span. Theory suggests 30 years.
>But it just strikes me as unrealistic for the average audiophile.
How the hell would you know? Most audiophiles didn't take the CD format seriously until the third generation machines came out in the 90s. And I'm not talking about consumer grade rubbish. Even the early hi-end CD players paled in comparison to good analog source equipment. All of the big gun audiophiles I know have anywhere from $1,500.00 to $7,500.00 into their CD players, and $4,000.00 to $15,000.00 into their turntable, tone arm, cartridge, and phono preamp. If they are willing to spend that kind of coin on a turntable, do you really think *they* feel the required care and maintenance of their gear, records and tapes is unrealistic? Analog certainly is not for the lazy. Particularly if you think recording something every 20 years or so is such a big hassle.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:35:40 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Re:Al's analog rantings Message-ID: <00e101bf1cff$4c546220$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: Al @ Switchcraft <al@isd.net> Subject: Re:Al's analog rantings
> Oh yeah, re-recording every 20 years or so is a real hassle... That's 5 plays > every 100 years. After 100 years your precious CD will be reduced to a pile > of aluminum oxide dust. You do know CD oxidize, right? An album with only > five plays on a GOOD turntable will still be at 99% of it's original condition.
sure, if you dont ever play the tape other than to re-record it. he was referring to something you listen to regularly (which IS the point of the whole process right?), which would wear down much more often. unless you kept two copies of everything you own, and simply made another "for use" copy of each one every few weeks. however...
> >But it just strikes me as unrealistic for the average audiophile.
i dont think you can say that, i'm willing to bet the average audiophile wouldn't consider that kind of thing unreasonable :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:41:16 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nice customer relations! Message-ID: <3811204C.72E46FBD@isd.net>
Brian Hayden wrote: >This guy is actually pretty cool. He's the only person at that station who >plays any real music, he does the metal show in the middle of the night >Fridays. I agree completely with what he said...if you like the band so >much, put 'em in your damn cd player. You're not winning any fans by being >assholes to people. Grow up.
Go fuck yourself, Brian! I e-mailed the station on the 11th and simply requested "Home." Nothing else was said. On the 12th my buddy called them and requested "Home." This same asshole told him that he hated Dream theater because they were a no talent bunch of wankers that couldn't write a good tune to save their soul. He also said "We don't like them and were not going to play them." And furthermore, IF I HAD THE CD I WOULD PLAY IT. The nasty exchanges followed much later. Since when does a radio station play only what the staff likes? If your head was someplace other than your ass, you too would realize I CAN'T PLAY IT IN MY CD PLAYER UNTIL IT'S RELEASED!
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:46:25 EDT From: MAD1661@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Yeah for Dave! Message-ID: <0.a99fea5f.25427b81@aol.com>
If you happen to make it to one of Steve Vai's concerts, which they start this Sunday, make sure to cheer for the back up guitar player.His name is Dave and he is from Philly. Check out the tour dates on www.vai.com. Thanx Mark
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:06:41 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nice customer relations! Message-ID: <iss.4ce.381125c3.1b67c.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Al continued ranting...
> Go fuck yourself, Brian! I e-mailed the station on the 11th and simply > requested "Home." Nothing else was said. On the 12th my buddy called > them and requested "Home." This same asshole told him that he hated > Dream theater because they were a no talent bunch of wankers that > couldn't write a good tune to save their soul. He also said "We don't like > them and were not going to play them."
Yeah, it's their station. They'll play what they want, if you don't like it, listen to something else. It's a simple equation to anyone a little less piggish.
> The nasty exchanges followed much later.
Right, because you sicced a few dozen people on them and harassed them with an endless stream of email telling them how unenlightened and stupid and fascist they are. Boy, I can't imagine why they got nasty. Good way to get people on your side there guy.
> Since > when does a radio station play only what the staff likes?
Um, since forever. Either that, or they play what's popular, which sorry to say, doesn't include DT no matter how many rabid fans are on this list.
> If your head was > someplace other than your ass, you too would realize I CAN'T PLAY IT IN > MY CD PLAYER UNTIL IT'S RELEASED!
Oh please. I'm sure a self-appointed tech god like you could get the single off the net in about 2.3 seconds if you wanted to hear it that much. I think you just get your rocks off trying to buck the system. It's pretty childish, man. Sorry.
-Brian
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Love is so short, forgetting is so long.
-Pablo Neruda
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:34:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net> To: Just Words <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re:Analog/Digital Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910222213120.25271-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote: > First off... Modern reel-to-reel analog media has a resolution of > 89-91dB.
.so you can copy 80dB of signal and 9-11dB of raw noise off your vinyl, and listen to that. It preserves the rather delicate vinyl records to, as you say, play them once every 20 years. Good plan.
Or can you purchase pre-recorded reel-to-reel somewhere?
> In closing.. Digital has been trying to attain the sound of analog since it's > infancy; Analog has NEVER wanted to sound like digital. Doesn't this tell > you something?
It tells me you're rewording the statement "digital, while already better than analog in a proper implementation, is still advancing, while analog has been almost stagnant as long as most 'Jammers have been alive."
> But [good CD players] bow in shame once > I drag out my Revox A77 or spin up a REAL turntable. And that's a fact.
Calling it a fact does not make it true. It's your preference. It might be mine, too. I've never heard a reel-to-reel.
> Jay, you make a good argument and you figures appear accurate, but you're > missing one very critical point. Digital still can NOT reproduce a pure sine wave.
If you truly believe this audio-magazine nonsense, there's not much more I can say. [Well, ok, it's true, nothing in nature produces a mathematically-pure sine. But the unspoken statement, that analog can come closer to a pure sine than digital, is as untrue as it gets.]
I'm done.
--Jay "Letting Al have the last word. Take it away..." Omega --NP: silence
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:48:58 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Veil of secrecy in Europe? Message-ID: <0.7c19f4f5.25428a2a@aol.com>
>< Why would we spoil the surprise for people in the US by giving out EVERY possible detail BEFORE the 26th simply because SOME countries in Europe already have the album available in stores? ><
What about the countries that don't get it until after the 26th? There are some, aren't there? Europe can't talk about it until the US gets it, so shouldn't we have to wait for the rest of the world?
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:53:57 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 93 X - let's move on Message-ID: <0.2b633060.25428b55@aol.com>
Obviously, Al's campaign wasn't a success. I say we cut our losses and move on to another radio station. Something in LA or NYC or something.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:02:18 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM (no spilers) Message-ID: <0.30681f67.25428d4a@aol.com>
Someone said:
>< I'm still very excited, but I think DT should have released a really heavy song as a single (if there is one) -- I just don't see Home getting a lot of airplay in today's radio market. It's becoming catchy melodically, but it doesn't have the crunch of the other singles, like "Burning My Soul" "Lie" or even "Pull Me Under" ><
Not heavy? No crunch? Just listen to the beginning, with that Tool-like crunch. And the album version, the crunchiness is repeated more than once. Those particular parts are not as heavy as the Mirror, but some of the heaviest guitar I've ever heard from DT.
TrevorW@ms.kallback.com writes:
>< The whole album cover is up at CDNow. BTW, doesn't seem a little similar to another progmetal band's recently released one-track concept album? ><
It's very similar to the cover of "Still Life."
>< "From the Seattle Weekly: In Stores 10/26: Dream Theatre (sic), Metropolos Part 2: Scenes From a Memory. "Experimental" metal from a band that's been delivering heavy shit since forever."
Whatever. ><
Actually, that kind of sounds lie a compliment. Like, "Man, that's some heavy shit!"
Jim Brooks
np - conception: flow
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:14:59 -0700 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nice customer relations! Message-ID: <19991022.211500.-443523.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
Alright, Alright...... We've basically come to the conclusion that 93X is not going to play Home... Their dj's may be cool and yes they may be assholes but it is just an opinion argument at this point.... As DT fans we will always want to hear their songs on the radio but some dj's just don't have an ear for DT..... oh well, it's hard to find anything good on the radio these days anyway (IMHO!!!!!) i'll probably get flamed for that one too......
Anyway, I just got the 5 years in a livetime video today. I have made it as far as metropolis in finlandia... I have to say after only being a DT fan for about 2 years now I didn't recognise some of the material... I am not a big "Awake" fan still... Someday maybe.... I like some of the stuff they did at the unplugged fan club show... I hope the vid gets a little better....
Also, who thought the Hollow Years video was dissapointing??? I liked the actual production but they freakin chopped up the song.... It was kind of sad to see them completely kill pettrucci's acoustic solo.... it is about number 2 on my all time DT song list....oh well...
just my thoughts.... can't wait for MP's new vid set...
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