YTSEJAM Digest 5125
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Guster
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
2) Re: burning my soul, wrenching my guts...
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
3) JP's Gwee Tars.
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
4) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5124
by administrator@itsyourlife.com
5) Re: burning my soul, wrenching my guts...
by Michael Pruchnicki <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
6) Houston Release Party
by "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
7) NEW DOUBLE VIDEO!
by Dave Hatlee <webmaster@mikeportnoy.com>
8) the definition of progressive rock
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
9) Re: New album live *SPOILER* & others
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
10) re: Analog/Digital, once again for Chris and Al...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
11) What is considered "public" information?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Analog/Digital
by Mathew.KOSHY@st.com
13) !!!!SPOILERS!!!!!
by "Nissinen Tommi"
14) Re: Definition of progressive rock?
by Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
15) My Good Luck!!!
by rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
16) vanden plas/HSAS
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
17) re: Guster
by "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com>
18) Dallas radio debut
by "Anna" <sionell@airmail.net>
19) Re:Analog/Digital
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
20) Hot for teacher!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
21) M2
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:16:36 +0200
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Guster
Message-ID: <380FC904.92D8DB7D@home.se>
YtseSryche@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey, I know all you guys are looking for a second coming of dream theater,
> but I found something that kinda changed that. It's a COMPLETELY different
> type of music, but maybe you guys would like it seeing as I love prog, and I
> love these guys too. You might have heard of em, but they're called Guster. I
> don't if any of you are interested, but their webpage is www.guster.com and
> if you want more details just ask me. They're just an awesome band and I
> think everyone should hear em if you're ready to move on and try something
> different. (plus their cds are only 10 bucks, brand new, no shipping, you
> can't lose!). e-mail me bout em if you're interested.
>
> Tony
And the lead singer is named Tony right? ;-)
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:16:53 +0200
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: burning my soul, wrenching my guts...
Message-ID: <380FC915.BDB55266@home.se>
Chris Oates wrote:
> And really, your statment is pretty ludicrous. To say that you like every
> DT song is fine -- I like them all too. But to say that each one has the
> "magical gut-vibe" about it seems to indicate that you put more weight on
> the "Dream Theater" label applied to the song than to the actual music
> itself. A fan who cannot criticize is not a fan, it's a groupie.
I allready had an discussion on this topic with our friend Mr B,
and I was on the other side of it. I dont' like every DT song.
The reply was not that serious. For example, I hate Burning My
Soul. Britney Spears could have made a better chorus (even if she
wrote it herself).
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater Sallskapet
http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:sdts@home.se
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:20:01 -0400
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: JP's Gwee Tars.
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991021222001.007f4360@mail.ptd.net>
>From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
>Subject: Johns AWAKE era acoustic?
>Has anyone else on the jam bought any of the guitars
>John is selling?
They're all ridiculously overpriced.
>Subject: Re: Johns AWAKE era acoustic?
>Don't forget the like 4-7 acoustic guitar tracks on Innocence
Faded...which to
>that point had more Guitar tracks than any DT song
And while we're at it ... Space-Dye Vest has acoustic tracks, and there are
even a few seconds of acoustic in "The Mirror" ("How the hell could you
possibly forgive me? ...").
~Brian
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:35:35 -0400
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:43:41 +0200
From: Michael Pruchnicki <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: burning my soul, wrenching my guts...
Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030801E461@Mail.computec.de>
> I allready had an discussion on this topic with our friend Mr B,
> and I was on the other side of it. I dont' like every DT song.
> The reply was not that serious. For example, I hate Burning My
> Soul. Britney Spears could have made a better chorus (even if she
> wrote it herself).
You mean that chorus that goes like
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
?
Well, I love it :D I think it's creative and not too repetitive even.
Besides, I really like the way the song ends. I think the lyrics are
something like
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!
BUUUUUUUURRRRNING MY SOOOOOOUUUUUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the last two or three of those add a lot to the whole song, really.
Especially the one before the very last, IT REALLY *MAKES* THE
SONG!!!!!!!!!!111!1
- Mike
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:46:44 -0500
From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Houston Release Party
Message-ID: <008101bf1c37$ae61fea0$0101a8c0@pavilion>
Just a reminder to those who were hiding under a basket somewhere... We will
host a Dream Theater CD Release Party in Houston, Texas on Tuesday, October
26 at 7:00 p.m. We will meet at the Borders bookstore in the Meyerland
plaza. Full details and a map can be found at http://dt.alluvium.com . And
I'll rejoin this mailing list later that night after I've overdosed on DT.
;) See you guys soon!
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz
Kirby on irc.dreamt.org:2112 #ytsejam and #ytseradio
YtseKirby on irc.ram-page.com:6667 #mikechat
ytsekirby@yahoo.com
http://www.christopherlloyd.net
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:03:18 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <webmaster@mikeportnoy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: NEW DOUBLE VIDEO!
Message-ID: <4.1.19991021225852.00aeb150@mail.ee.net>
Hi everyone, sorry if this has already been announced but I haven't had
time to keep up with the jams in the past week...
A new DOUBLE VIDEO box set is available from Mike Portnoy and Hudson Music
entitled "Liquid Drum Theater". This is more than just a drum instructional
video, it
has something for ALL Dream Theater fans, and for a limited time you can get
an autographed copy with priority shipping at no extra charge!
Check out the details about the contents, material, and how to order
at http://www.mikeportnoy.com/newvid.html !!
Thanks!
DaveH
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:07:40 PDT
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the definition of progressive rock
Message-ID: <19991022030742.51559.qmail@hotmail.com>
someone asked what the definition of prog rock is...my $.02:
Prog rock is any band or song that ads something new to rock music, be it a
new compositional tool (such as odd time sigs + epic songs) instrument
(electric keys were new in the 70's) or anything else that hasn't been tried
before, yet retains the feel of good ol' rock music....in this way, bands we
don't generally consider prog, such as the Beatles, the Grateful Dead, and
Blood, Sweat & Tears could very easily be considered progressive rock. DT
definitely has a unique style, which incorporates the best of floyd, yes,
and metallica into a flavor all their own, but I can't think of any new
musical concepts that they've introduced into prog music as we know it.
this being said, I must say that most of the bands we talk about on the jam
are not really progressive at all. Most of the things they do that make us
think of them as "progressive" have all been done by the 70's proggers.
There has been very little progression. That's not to say that they don't
interpret it thier own way and put their own mark on it, but it's just new
incarnations of old ideas, imho. (That's not to say I don't LOVE it!!! Why
would I be on this list if I didn't?!?) And I'll still refer to DT, Spock's
Beard, Lemur Voice, and all the rest as 'prog' just to make things
understandable...
I hope someone has a contrary opinion on this subject =^)
-Banjoman
np: Jerry Douglas/Russ Barenburg/Edgar Meyer: Skip, Hop & Wobble (prog
bluegrass!!)
p.s.- I was listening to Phish's first album the other day, and I realized
that they shared a lot of elements with the prog rockers, but presented them
in a very different style...anyone else notice this?
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:13:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: New album live *SPOILER* & others
Message-ID: <199910220313.XAA17979@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: New album live *SPOILER*
>
> *SPOILER*
>
>
> At 01:41 PM 10/21/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >And then I read LaBrie say this: "...but by then, the album will
> >sell and we can do an incredible show; do the entire album start to
> >finish live; do it on stage in a big way. " >
>
> I saw this too, but if there's one thing I dread from this new
> concept album, it's that they play the whole thing start to finish
> at every show.
I don't know, Fates did it with APSoG... and that certainly was a
very good show...
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
> Subject: Re: new album cover (no spoilers)
>
> Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>
> > Well, actually, if one puts a file in their web directory on a
> > server, it is literally fair game. If I decide to search around
> > someone's website for certain filenames and find them, even though
> > they're not linked to anything, that's still okay, since it's
> > THERE. Anything that you put in a publicly available web
> > directory is 100% fair game, because it's technically public
> > information at that point.
>
> You can't be serious? You are probably one of the guys who have
> disrespected the band spreading mp3's, album covers and lyrics on
> the net. If you read my reply carefully you will notice the
> following sentence that explains why it's disrespectful to snoop
> around, I quote myself: "You're trying to sneak a peak at
> something that obviously is not meant for you to see".
It is definatly a touchy subject... There is a point to the fact that
if you are going to place something on a public web server, then it is
in fact public... I don't believe, however, that looking at different
files that exist on web servers is at all the same as spreading around
files that the band doens't want speard around... After all, it is
looking for files that they specifically put there...
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| In the stream of consciousness | Lines In The Sand, taken from |
| There is a river crying | Dream Theater's |
| Living comes much easier | Falling Into Infinity |
| Once we admit We're dying | |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------+
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Analog/Digital, once again for Chris and Al...
Message-ID: <19991022033225.27757.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com>
Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net> wrote:
> Actually, a change in digital sampling rate doesn't
affect 'subtlety'
> at all. It just affects the maximum frequency of
the sound/signal you
> can record. Nyquist Sampling Theorem. 19Khz is
19Khz, whether you
> record it at a sampling rate of 38KHz or 380KHz.
With proper D/A
> conversion there will be absolutely no difference.
Hmmm... It's been quite a few years for me since
Electricity and Electromagnetism and Wave Theory, but
I think I have a handle on Sampling Theory. What the
theory is trying to say is that by sampling at 44.1
Khz, you are more than assured of capturing any sound
wave up to 20 Khz? (Assuming that you want to
reproduce 20hz-20Khz sound waves) But is there any
merit to the audiophiles claim that something is lost?
If we could zoom in on the digitally reproduced sound,
wouldn't it be clipped at 44.1Khz segments? The sound
waves in nature can start at any discreet point on an
infinite time scale, but digital music sampled at
44.1khz will come out at somewhat unnatural 44.1Khz
spaced start points. Can anyone hear that? Can the
subconsious pick it up? Can we sense the fact that a
44.1Khz pattern exists and distinguish it from
"natural" sound?
"Don't ask me, I don't know." - Quote from some famous
meta-physicist.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: What is considered "public" information?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910212334430.92207-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, sK@RRe wrote:
> > Well, actually, if one puts a file in their web directory on a server, it
> > is literally fair game. If I decide to search around someone's website
> > for certain filenames and find them, even though they're not linked to
> > anything, that's still okay, since it's THERE. Anything that you put in a
> > publicly available web directory is 100% fair game, because it's
> > technically public information at that point.
>
> You can't be serious? You are probably one of the guys who have
> disrespected the band spreading mp3's, album covers and lyrics on the
> net. If you read my reply carefully you will notice the following
> sentence that explains why it's disrespectful to snoop around, I quote
> myself: "You're trying to sneak a peak at something that obviously is
> not meant for you to see".
Well, as a matter of fact, I have NOT looked into any information other
than the single and what was publicly available on network servers. The
thing you're talking about - taking information like the album MP3s and
such - are illegally posted. That, of course, is NOT okay. But if you
have data that YOU have copyrighted and decide to post those in your web
folders, that's YOUR problem and not somebody else's if they've read this
information - you posted it, you're responsible for it. MP3s and other
copyrighted information are privately owned material, and as such, it
would be up to the copyright owner to decide whether it's public
information or not. So I'll put it this way: If the PUBLISHER of the
music decided to post it to a publicly-available medium such as the
Internet, I would not think it wrong to get it off of the net.
> Even if you can do it, it doesn't mean it's ok. At least not for
> people familiar with the word "ethics". A woman is at a party and she
> leaves her handbag on a bureau by the entrance, do you open it and
> snoop around just because nobody's watching?
Whether or not somebody's watching has nothing to do with this; stick with
the original argument. A woman's handbag is her private property, and by
the argument I wrote in the previous paragraph, does not fall into the
category of "publicly available material." How about THIS version of your
argument: If a woman dumps her stuff from a handbag out onto a table so
that everybody could see it, you would not be in the wrong for seeing
something that was at the bottom of the pile any more than you would be
looking at whatever was on the top. This is a kind of analogy for the way
Internet folders work - a file that has no links to it could be
represented by the object at the bottom of the pile: not necessarily
easily obtainable, yet no less public than the file that is, say,
index.html, or the most available file in a public HTML directory (which
would be represented by the objects in the woman's handbag that were at
the top of the pile). Can you see what I'm getting at here?
It's as simple as this: If you make it so that people can readily obtain
the information you post, it's YOUR responsibility to make it so that
people can't access the information you don't want them to. This means
that if you have information that you want SOME people to see, but not the
general public, then all you have to do is password-protect that data.
That immediately puts it into the realm of privately-accessed information.
And sure, it's not great netiquette if you go searching through peoples'
directories. But it's by no means wrong or illegal.
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a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend
that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill
it anyway because I already gave away all of his
stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of
humor.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:02:51 +0800
From: Mathew.KOSHY@st.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Analog/Digital
Message-ID: <H000026d02d245bc@MHS>
>F> From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
> In other words, listen and enjoy, be it vinyl, tape, CD, AM radio,
> whatever. I can't say what sounds best to Al, or Chris, or Bruce
> Dickinson, or Robert Green. As Phil Collins said, "I know what I like,
> and I like what I know." And no more than that.
>
> Just don't break out an incorrect math & physics argument to "prove"
> the superiority of analog.
Is the case closed yet :0)
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Date: 22 Oct 1999 07:20:00 +0300
From: "Nissinen Tommi"
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: !!!!SPOILERS!!!!!
Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAFOsJgABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
SPOLERS!!!! (maybe)
Hi everybody!
This the first time when I mail to this list, too bad it had to be a spoile=
r.:(
I=B4ve been DT-fan since IAW was released and I live in Finland (...or in
FINLANDIAAA.. as Mr. Portnoy would say it). Well, yesterday (21st) after wo=
rk I
went to a local record store here in middle-Finland and guess what cd was
already there=3F=3F (Yes, it was=20SFaM!!!! 109,- FIM, that would be $19.80)
I have listened the SFaM now five times (and so have my neighbours!!!) and=
it
keeps getting better and better everytime. I mean this is the MOTHER OF ALL
CD=B4s. Jordan fits like a glove to the band and whole band are playing and
singing their asses off.
AMAZING!!!
Thank God it=B4s almost a weekend and I=B4m thinking of spending it with a=
couple
of cold ones and SFaM (sorry neighbours!!!).
Keep on jammin=B4
Tommi
NP: DT/The Spirit Carries On (amazing gospel choir on the background...)
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:09:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Definition of progressive rock?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910212017270.20920-100000@legarto.minn.net>
> This is something I've been thinking about for a long time, but I can't
> come up with anything...what do you consider to be the definition of
> progressive rock?
And you thought my analog/digital posts got folk riled up... :-)
This is kind of a moving target, depending on who you talk to.
The biggest division is whether "Progressive Rock" is a distinct
style of music, or whether it is "any Rock which follows the
dictionary definition of the word Progressive... i.e. different
than that which came before". The second not only makes bands
like Pearl Jam prog, but it discounts bands like Dream Theater,
because, say, Fates Warning did the 'prog metal' bit already. :-)
I subscribe to the 1st group of thought. IMO, Progressive Rock is
Rock music that:
1) places an emphasis on compositional talent over 'catchy tunes'
2) places an emphasis on musical virtuosity
3) draws from classical, jazz, and other styles, as well as the
'normal' blues roots of 'normal' rock and roll
4) makes use of "non-standard" instruments, like the basoon or
mellotron
1) and 2) include the usual "prog-isms" of strange time signatures/
polyrhythms/key changes/counterpoint/unusual tunings.
There's other tendencies; long songs, concept albums, introspective/
spiritual/"elf and fairy" lyrics, etc, but I feel they aren't as
universal as the above 4.
And, not all prog has all this, and not all music with this is prog.
Where you draw the line is even more "personal preference" than
the definition itself. It's hard to leave out Magma with these
rules (they do all 4), and impossible to include Mariah Carey (does
none of the 4), but bands/artists like DT (1, 2, 3, (4 on FII with
the Stick)), King's X (2), Chicago (3,4), and Meat Loaf (1, and an
overblown 1 at that) sit on the borderline.
For the record, I like all 5 bands, and do _not_ think KX, Chicago,
and Mr. Loaf are prog, though I might consider some individual Loaf
songs to be. DT certainly is. (duh)
--Jay "Four postings in one week. Send prozac." Omega
--NP: Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle (still. long album. 'is prog.' :)
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:46:13 -0500
From: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: My Good Luck!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991022004613.0083f680@mail.midsouth.rr.com>
I just wanted to share my good fortune with everyone. I just purchased a
guitar on Ebay. It is a brand new JPM100!!!! Thats right, the original,
limited edition, primary color JPM100!! It has been hanging on the wall at
Del City Music in Oklahoma City for 4 years!!! The guitar arrived on
Monday and is in mint condition (still has the protective film on the
plastic covers). I got the guitar and case for $950. Pretty sweet deal if
you ask me.
Just thought I would brag!!!
Later,
Richard
e-mail: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
www: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/rwarren
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:55:12 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: vanden plas/HSAS
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4F44@ms.kallback.com>
> > Where is everyone getting the new Vanden Plas?
> > The only place I can find online is cdeurope for US$22.95.
> Well, they are going to be having a US release for this CD -- I
> ordered it from CDNow a few days ago... Due out Nov 9th or
> something...
Thanks, dude! I totally overlooked the obvious!
And I am CDNow's biggest customer.
Really. I've earned over 12,000 FFWD points!
Has anyone heard or have Through The Fire-
by Hagar/Schon/Aaronson/Shrieve?
How is it? Who is Aaronson?
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:14:33 -0400
From: "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: Guster
Message-ID: <001d01bf1c76$3d6aeec0$6721f7a5@com>
Thats funny. I remember in my junior year in high school (1994-1995)
graphic arts class, there were a bunch of kids making tee shirts that said
"Gus" on them. I inquired, and they told me about the band. Not long
afterwards, they made new tee shirts with the same logo, except now it said
"Guster" on it, I guess someone already had the name Gus. I believe they're
from around here (Boston). Even though it's not my cup of tea, it's nice to
see local, or underground guys making it semi-big.
~~Art
Webmaster
http://www.joestump.com
"Far better it is to dare mighty things,
to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure,
than to take rank with those poor spirits
who neither enjoy much nor suffer much
because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-Theodore Roosevelt
<<<Hey, I know all you guys are looking for a second coming of dream
theater,
but I found something that kinda changed that. It's a COMPLETELY different
type of music, but maybe you guys would like it seeing as I love prog, and I
love these guys too. You might have heard of em, but they're called Guster.
I
don't if any of you are interested, but their webpage is www.guster.com and
if you want more details just ask me. They're just an awesome band and I
think everyone should hear em if you're ready to move on and try something
different. (plus their cds are only 10 bucks, brand new, no shipping, you
can't lose!). e-mail me bout em if you're interested>>>
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:13:14 -0500
From: "Anna" <sionell@airmail.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Dallas radio debut
Message-ID: <NDBBLCANMLACBPMCKIGMEEBMCCAA.sionell@airmail.net>
Hey all--
I just heard that KEGL is going to play stuff from SFAM on their "Unmodern
Rock Show" this Sunday at 6pm (central time here in the US). They're also
giving away a copy of the album... and yes, they have a live feed :)
Anna .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
http://www.cyberramp.net/~sionell
He stands before the window
His shadow slowly fading from the wall
And from an ivory tower hears her call
"Let the light surround you"
"Surrounded" ~ Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:16:56 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re:Analog/Digital
Message-ID: <381047A8.EE20966D@isd.net>
Jay Omega wrote:
>- An analog record will have useful information between 40dB and 120dB,
>due to it's 80dB resolution. Everything from 0dB to 40dB will still
>be coming from the stereo, but it will be noise actually recorded on the
>record. From 0dB on down, you can't hear due to the lower limit of human
>hearing, even though there's noise at this level encoded as well.
First off... Modern reel-to-reel analog media has a resolution of 89 -91dB.
(Studer Revox 1" studio machine) Even using your 80dB figure, with the
amplitude at 120dB at the listeners ear, the 40dB noise floor would NEVER
be noticed. It would be like trying to hear a small clock tic while using a
pneumatic jackhammer to remove a concrete driveway. The defenders of
digital just love to use the noise floor figure to sugar coat the specifications.
What they fail to mention is that it's below the threshold of audibility while a
signal is present. Both analog and digital are useless without the presence
of a signal. Remember, the 40dB noise floor you stated is referenced to
120dB peek amplitude. When the volume is lowered, so is the noise floor.
It's a linear ratio.
Jay, you make a good argument and you figures appear accurate, but you're
missing one very critical point. Digital still can NOT reproduce a pure sine wave.
What is sound? A complex structure of multiple sine waves. (assuming nothing
has been driven into clipping and the original recording is free any of processing
that introduces square waves) Speaking of square waves... Have you ever seen
the square wave response of a cheap speaker or amplifier? It isn't pretty.
As I'm sure you realize, the figures you quoted are not real world figures in
terms of perceivable audibility. As the sampling rate is increased, (resolution
and bandwidth) the digital format gets one step closer to analog in terms of
sonic neutrality and MUF (Maximum Useable Frequency). Huh huh.. I said muf!
In reality, the noise floor in inaudible in both formats with even modest gear.
The almighty sine wave is still a few generations away for digital.
Digital is on the threshold of making a huge leap, Unfortunately, business politics
are slowing the process. Rather than advance for the sake signal purity, they are
too busy trying to proprietize the new formats to maximize the cash flow into
their own pockets.
Another thing that's never been mentioned is how this applies to the maximum
amplitude at the listeners ears. It really doesn't. The maximum amplitude of
ANY system is dictated by the efficiency of the speakers, the output power of
the FINAL stage of amplification, and how much power the speakers can
dissipate if less than the amplifier's output power prior to clipping. (simply put)
I'm not about to get into room interaction, transmission line losses or other
useless shit.
In closing.. Digital has been trying to attain the sound of analog since it's
infancy; Analog has NEVER wanted to sound like digital. Doesn't this tell
you something? And is this really worth arguing about considering we both
stand on opposite sides of the analog/digital fence? I don't hate digital, if
I did I never would have spent the HUGE coin on my CD players. But I DO
realize the shortcomings of the digital medium. Both my CD players will
BLOW AWAY any cassette deck or cheap turntable. But bow in shame once
I drag out my Revox A77 or spin up a REAL turntable. And that's a fact.
It's unfortunate that better than 90% of the people on this list have never
heard a GOOD CD player and certainly never heard a first rate turntable
or professional grade analog tape machine. So it's easy to understand why
they defend mediocre digital gear. They've never heard any better.
For those of you that are curious about what good gear looks like, I'll provide
some links with pictures.
This is a pic of the CAL Icon MkII:
http://www.calaudio2.com/iconmkii.htm
This is a pic of the Wadia 850:
http://www.wadia.com/products/w850/w850phfr.html
This is the cream of the crop in turntables (I only wish I had one of these)
http://www.moonaudio.com/goldreft.jpg
The only pictures I could find of my turntables on the net was at the
turntable galleria. It takes forever to load, but there is some very cool shit.
Do something else while the page loads, like read a Jam. :)
I have a "Well Tempered Reference" and a "Revox B795" (the CH model shown
lacks the digital speed display that mine has) My old turntable, a "Roksan
Xerxes", is also in there.
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/ttg.html
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes,
it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:43:57 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Hot for teacher!
Message-ID: <38104DFD.DEBB2404@isd.net>
>>> There is an old saying... "Those that can, do - Those that can't, teach"
>>> Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
Brian Hayden wrote:
>And it's one of the stupidest sayings in the history of the universe.
It would be nice if that were true. I have met MANY teachers in the electronics
industry that are so far behind the times it's pathetic. Myself and another
colleague had to point out the errors of a particular NEI professor's theory on
800 MHz trunking 2-way radio. He was still living in the 80s in terms of his radio
theory. He continued to argue with us until two other professors pointed out the errors
of his dated knowledge. I was not a student there. I was representing D&D Instruments,
the company I worked for, repairing a repeater system that was
installed on the school grounds. The professor was there to "show me how it's
done. Once he was PROVED wrong proved, he walked away grumbling and whining
because some lowly communications technician put him in his place.
I also ran into similar problems dealing with a teacher from Dunwoody Technical
Institute. His claimed specifications for bearing preload on late model ford trucks
were so far off that bearing failure was inevitable. It took a publication from the
Ford Motor Company to convince him. In the case of someone like Jon Finn..
Well... I can say nothing other than he rules!
Teachers that don't keep educating themselves or become lazy thinking they
know everything are dangerous. I've met several, and I highly doubt the problem
is localized to just the ones I've met. I've heard/read several horror stories
about some of our illustrious educators.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes,
it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:53:25 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: M2
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4F4E@ms.kallback.com>
]From the Seattle Weekly:
In Stores 10/26:
Dream Theatre (sic), Metropolos Part 2: Scenes From a Memory.
"Experimental" metal from a band that's been delivering heavy
shit since forever.
Whatever.
Trevor
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