YTSEJAM Digest 5111
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Album Sales
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
2) Re: Derek interview
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
3) Re: Derek interview
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5108
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5108
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
6) Re: artists changing...
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
7) Re: DT In-Store Appearance in Long Island - IMPORTANT INFO!
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) Wanna join a progressive band?
by "michael m." <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5109
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
10) Kenny Wayne Shepare
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Gay Doors Planet
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
12) no stairway--denied!
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
13) RE: Album Sales
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
14) Re: Gay Doors Planet
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
15) Just a comment...
by Compadre32@aol.com
16) Re: no stairway--denied!
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) DT sales
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
18) Home
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
19) Re: artists changing...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
20) QR news from atlantic
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
21) Re: My last post
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
22) Looking for an ELP MP3
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
23) commercialism
by =?iso-8859-1?q?Jesus=20Gonzalez?= <pesus_keystone@yahoo.com>
24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5088
by "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@iserve.net>
25) HOME single release??
by "Manolis Samarakis" <samarakis@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
26) Re: The Doors
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
27) No DTC, Boss Me 30, Doors
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:40:25 -0400
From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Album Sales
Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1A67@HQEXS01>
>--- "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
>wrote:
>> Actually, I think MP estimated that they sell that
>> much
>> worldwide.
>
>You're wrong.
>
>
>=====
>*Trent
Actually, he's not wrong. Here is exactly what Mr. Portnoy had to say on
the subject:
"Our biggest selling album to date in America was "Images & Words" which was
certified Gold (over 500,000 copies sold in the US) largely due to success
of Pull Me Under on US radio.
Since then, the radio & MTV market in America has drastically changed -
which has weeded out the fans of "our new hit single" and our sales have
leveled out to reflect our "real" fan-base which has been in the 200,000 US
sales vicinity each time out..
Our real sales have added up from over-seas markets (Germany, Italy,
Holland, Brazil, Japan, etc..) where we do very well because those markets
are less dependant on radio & MTV. For instance, all of our CD's have gone
platinum in Japan (100,000 in Japan alone)
I suppose the "safe" answer is that we consistently sell somewhere around
half a million Worldwide each time out..."
That's 500,000 worldwide, exactly what this guy said.
--Zircon the Blue
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:02:25 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Derek interview
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991014210225.015f6da4@pi-r-squared.com>
At 01:36 PM 10/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>--- Timo Virkkala <wt@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
>> Hmm.. I remember seeing an interview where he told
>> that in January 1999, he
>> had just gotten home when he received a conference
>> call from the other guys
>> in DT and they told him they were releasing him from
>> his duties.
>
>When I first joined the Jam, LTE were just about to go
>on tour. Shortly thereafter, DT announced the
>departure of Derek. I remember about a month after
>the press release, Mike (I think) actually pointedly
>discussed why Derek was kicked out. I think the word
>"gay" was used, but I don't want to dig up that
>business again or worse yet take the quote out of
>context with how it was used. Anyone have that
>particular quote in it's entirety?
Ummm the only thing I remember that even closely resembles this, is a joke
that someone posted to the list with FAKE quotes from Mike saying that Derek
was gay and had to sequence all his parts live. People then started this
thread from hell over whether DT were gay-bashers. It was stupid. Every time
they've been asked, in every interview I've seen, they've stuck to their
story which is: "No hard feelings between them and Derek, they simply felt
that since they'd done the live album it was time for a change, and they
felt Jordan had the sound that they wanted to carry them into the 21st
century." That's it! There may be more to it, but that's the official story
as far the band is concerned. Noone in the band has ever said anything other
than this. And NOONE ever said anything about Derek being gay (except on
here).
Palpatine
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his
house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Derek interview
Message-ID: <19991014213036.8412.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> wrote:
> Ummm the only thing I remember that even closely
> resembles this, is a joke
> that someone posted to the list with FAKE quotes
> from Mike saying that Derek
> was gay and had to sequence all his parts live.
Ah yes, I see. Thanks for setting me straight. Man,
that thread that followed shortly thereafter was a
real bitch. Yeesh.
=====
*Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault."
Me
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:17:34 +0100
From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5108
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991015001734.006fb2bc@online.no>
>> I'm in one of my moods again... Does anyone else here on the
>> Jam think The Doors kicked ass?
> Yep, Jim might have sounded a bit rough in the singing department but
> they were still awesome, some of the songs just take me away.
I love The Doors! My favourites are the songs with long solos...
> PS Anyone else looking forward to the new Primus album out next week??
Sure am! Tom Morello and James Hetfield play some on it:)
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
"Working with John is like taking a shower. It's something you do."
- John Petrucci about Myung
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:45:53 -0400
From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5108
Message-ID: <002701bf1695$e10e1d40$b2589780@resnet.rochester.edu>
> Sure am! Tom Morello and James Hetfield play some on it:)
That name sounds really familiar.....who *is* Tom Morello?
(Yes, I do know who James Hetfield is - I'm not that dumb!!)
Scott
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:33:42 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: artists changing...
Message-ID: <3805BF96.DA4A21D8@mol.com.mk>
> From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
> Subject: Re: artists changing.....
>
> And if someone starts writing about buying the CD to
> support the artist again I'm gonna start puking.
A little bit of sanity finally!
> Nobody buys the CD just to support the artist. If you download
> the mp3's and then buy the album it's because you like the album
> and want the liners too, not cause you want an extra buck in
> John Musician's pocket.
However true it might be that we like some music, don't tell me your
intention is support. You buy the muic 'cause you like it, want to own
it in your collection, want to blast in on your speakers!
If Garth Brooks records an album and surely known that money from it
will go for helping the poor kids in Africa, will you buy it? No you
won't, because you hate him!
If you wanna help, you'll give direct donation, certainly not buying
something which you won't listen 'till the rest of your life, or at
least inless you give it as a present to
your nephew who happenes to like country music. One way or another, you
DON'T buy it 'cause you wanna go around and fill the pockets of your
fave bands. It is just an extra good thing 'cause you like the band and
we want the genre to get more recognized, but it is SECONDARY, it is a
natural
effect of the act You_Buying_The_Release, and not the primar reason.
Legal rights, bla, bla ... last time I checked laws were not perfect.
Seen from different perspective it's stupid to prove somebody's wrong
just by the fact that this-and-this law says it is ILLEGAL to do this.
Everybody knows those record companies are greedy, but right now the
goverment support them with the laws existing. But I'm sure things will
change in future.
About the immoral/illegal debate, I think the "immoral" wins.
Ethics and morals are more absolute standard than present existing laws.
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________________"What do you think about it?" "Shocking!" "Yeah, but do you think it was funny?" "Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
The 2 balcony fossils, "The Muppet Show" ________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:09:14 -0400 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT In-Store Appearance in Long Island - IMPORTANT INFO! Message-ID: <38066299.75F7CE92@yunque.net>
Webmaster wrote:
> > > > just wanted to drop a quick heads-up to the 'jam... > > > > 1 - the band will be at the store at 7:00 pm, not 6:00 pm, as the > > announcement states, and (most importantly) > > 2 - the band will NOT (repeat - NOT) be performing at that > appearance...they > > will only be doing an autograph session... > > Yeah they will be performing the whole new album, and I will be filling in > for JP that night.... =)
sorry..that was me.. posting from my work account :)
Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:42:18 GMT From: "michael m." <mlnglst@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wanna join a progressive band? Message-ID: <19991014234218.51413.qmail@hotmail.com>
If a band to join is what you're looking for, or your band is in need of musicians, I'd suggest the progressive musicians forum at:
http://www.ProgMetal.net/musicians
All the best to all, MichaelM
ps. Visit the Encyclopedia of Experimental and Progressive metal at: http://www.ProgMetal.net/encyclopedia
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:49:01 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5109 Message-ID: <l03130301b42c1c1262d9@[128.83.154.29]>
>SOmething else that has really hit me a lot lately, and I already knew >this, but it just recently dawned on me, is how much like Jim Morrison >Glenn Danzig sounds like. Damn, some of that old Misfits stuff sounds a >whole lot like Jim singing for a punk band. I love it :).
If you really want to hear a singer sound like jim, check out the tea party. Not only does he sound a lot like Morrison, he even looks a lot like him, too. pretty cool.
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 (www.room213.com) Now Officially a Radio-TV-Film Student! University Filmmakers Alliance Historian (www.utexas.edu/students/ufa/)
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:51:13 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Kenny Wayne Shepare Message-ID: <38067A81.15356C91@mol.com.mk>
Geezus, I just read some reviews on amazon.com about his new album! Is it THAT good? Seems like the kid is really developing. I still didn't listen this debut, and I rally liked that MTV single they had ... Anyone wanna comment? -- CyberDuke ________________________________________________
"What do you think about it?" "Shocking!" "Yeah, but do you think it was funny?" "Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
The 2 balcony fossils, "The Muppet Show" ________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:05:36 -0700 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Gay Doors Planet Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991014180536.00a17650@objypop>
Al / Doors:
>However, for the full >effect of the Doors, it helps greatly if your in the domain of altered states >yourself. American Prayer is truly unique, to say the least.
That's probably it. As a person who has never done / does not plan to do anything stronger than caffeine, I will never enjoy their music. All I hear is a guy who can't keep tune howling over guys who can't play. And I mean that in the best possible way. ;)
Some folk names "Timo" / Planet:
>Actually, not.. Or at least AFAIK. It refers to the supposed planet outside >Pluto's orbit.
Same as what I've always heard. X as in Roman numeral for "ten" -- tenth planet
Trent / Gay:
>Mike (I think) actually pointedly >discussed why Derek was kicked out. I think the word >"gay" was used, but I don't want to dig up that >business again or worse yet take the quote out of >context with how it was used.
You shouldn't even mention it. The explanation was simply that they felt Jordan fir better into the musical personality of the band. If Mike ever said anything involving the word "gay" it would have to be something like "I don't know or care if Derek is gay or not, and it had nothing to do with why we chose Jordan over him."
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:12:42 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: no stairway--denied! Message-ID: <v04210106b42c2f7f7dfd@[192.168.1.1]>
>Yeah they will be performing the whole new album, and I will be filling in >for JP that night.... =)
That's not difficult, actually, since there's no guitar on the whole album!
Whoops, I just spoiled the surprise. Damn. Mike will kill me!
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:20:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Album Sales Message-ID: <19991015012034.26325.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>
--- "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> wrote: > That's 500,000 worldwide, exactly what this guy > said.
When I read that, I must've been tired or something b/c I saw 50K. My apologies to all.
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault." Me
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:20:40 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Gay Doors Planet Message-ID: <iss.1114.38068163.e7ec7.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> Original Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:16:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > Al / Doors: > > >However, for the full > >effect of the Doors, it helps greatly if your in the domain of altered > states > >yourself. American Prayer is truly unique, to say the least. > > That's probably it. As a person who has never done / does not plan to do > anything stronger than caffeine, I will never enjoy their music.
I dunno. I don't do any chemicals either and I dig a lot of the Doors stuff. Even in broad daylight. ;) Of course, I like a lot of "simple" stuff, so, take it for what it's worth.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:31:54 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Just a comment... Message-ID: <0.6035d419.2537de0a@aol.com>
EMAIL ME PRIVATELY IF YOU KNOW WHERE I CAN OBTAIN FULL SAMPLES OF "HOME" OR ANY OTHER SfaM song. October 26 will never arrive.
-Compadre32
YtseTex on #ytsejam
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:34:27 -0400 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: no stairway--denied! Message-ID: <380692B3.4824AE35@yunque.net>
Steffen Barabasch wrote:
> >Yeah they will be performing the whole new album, and I will be filling in > >for JP that night.... =) > > That's not difficult, actually, since there's no guitar on the whole album! > > Whoops, I just spoiled the surprise. Damn. Mike will kill me! >
thats why i said i could fill in for jp... =) Myung did the small sparse guitar parts there are on the cd, they sound a little like his track on subconcious... =)
> > Steffen > -- > Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)--
Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:57:01 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT sales Message-ID: <380697FD.21C3862E@home.com>
> Actually, I hope you're right. I was disappointed to come to the > belief that MP estimated that they sell 500,000 worldwide.
The 500,000 worldwide is probably correct, since the only DT album to go gold in America (500,000 copies) is Images and Words.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:10:56 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Home Message-ID: <009601bf16c3$4ba065a0$c40f8ad1@boner>
Does anyone know of a place i can get the home single, other than eBay? Please email me privately.
Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://polzin.home.mindspring.com
CD Liner Downloads http://members.xoom.com/polzin322/
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: artists changing... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910150105240.59377-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, CyberDuke wrote:
> If Garth Brooks records an album and surely known that money from it > will go for helping the poor kids in Africa, will you buy it? No you > won't, because you hate him!
Ummmmmm... I kinda resent this comment. I actually LOVE Garth Brooks, and why? Because I try to open myself to types of music that others may not listen to. The result was that I ended uploving Garth's music even though I hadn't planned on it.
Country music is really not that bad. Really.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:19:55 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: QR news from atlantic Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991015081955.00948100@mail.surffi.net>
This just in from Atlantic records digital spew:
*QUEENSRYCHE LET THE GUITARS FLY WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM THEIR FRIENDS,=20 BOTH OLD AND NEW*
Queensr=FFche certainly have a few friends in Washington. Recently Daily World (out of Aberdeen) found the Seattle quintet's newest, Q2K, to be full of classic 'R=FFche-styled riffing, yet infused with a new and invigorating energy. "This is vintage Queensr=FFche, laced with a sort of hunger."
Admittedly, there has been a subtle shift in the band musically, coming in the form of new co-guitarist Kelly Gray (a former producer for Alice in Chains). An accomplished musician himself, Gray was originally only slated to produce Q2K, but when Chris DeGarmo left the band, Gray suddenly had a new job. Despite the addition of a new element, the Queens=FFche sound remains intact. The intricate guitar work, heavy chugging riffs, powerfully sung vocals, and wah-wah pedaling are all still there. But as Wilkins notes on the album's relentless first single "Breakdown," "Gray has introduced a real grunge sensibility here, and the cross pollination with the Alice in Chains camps is even more apparent."
Want more? Then be sure to check out the October issue of Guitar, in which Michael Wilton and Kelly Gray discuss their newfound guitar partnership, and their feelings about the R=FFche's new direction.
http://www.atlantic-records.com/queensryche
op777 Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Kevin Madden
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: My last post Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910150141230.61688-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Just to clarify, I'm not dissing anybody if they don't like a certain type of music. I do understand that the comment made about Garth Brooks was at least slightly in jest and was meant to be funny (at least, I assume it was).
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:43:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Looking for an ELP MP3 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910150242460.64103-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I'm looking for an MP3 of the studio version of ELP's Pictures at an Exhibition for a project I'm working on. If anybody is able to help, please do so through private email. Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jesus=20Gonzalez?= <pesus_keystone@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: commercialism Message-ID: <19991015073523.22128.rocketmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>
There has being a topic going on these last days abot commercialism, artists selling out, etc. I agree with that guy that said "if you like it buy it, if not don't". It's hard to say what has been turning inside an artist's head when he release an album that implies a big change of direction, even when you can make a fairly right guess. Maybe they're fed up of playing the same staff again and again but they keep on doing it because they make money. A change of style is a risky business because they can lose a lot of their previous fans and not making new ones. But when they try to compose more accesible songs to get to a wider range of public (uhm, did that happen with FII?) IMO they deserve the failure. FII was a nice album and could have been a sucess for the overall public with the proper publicity. They could have released three or four singles and videos and the selling figures would have gone farther than I&W. But for a DT fan the album is such a dissapointment...Change and evolution are different words. About the selling figures: here in Spain I&W was difficult to get at the beggining, but after Awake a bunch of "nice-price" copies of it can be found anywhere. It was the same in other countries?
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:47:51 -0500 From: "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@iserve.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5088 Message-ID: <3806DC26.F2F85698@iserve.net>
Greetings all, for those of you who save these look back to this issue and e-mail #5 came from a guy who now goes by 'Dark Tower'. Well, Peter is his name and he was telling us that their new CD, his and Jeff's, is out and wants us to buy it claiming it has Dream Theater influences on it. Well....he's right!!!! The only thing missing is a REAL drummer. Alas, it's computer programmed by Jeff. But if I didn't tell you that, you would not have known. You can check out the tunes at www.iresonance.com it's the band site. Well, since I have a copy I'll tell some about it. Peter has very strong vocal skills, he has studied with Geoff Tate's vocal teacher for several years. And he writes the lyrics for IR. His partner, Jeff is the musician in the group, AT THIS TIME. They are STILL looking for that certain drummer to fill the shoes of the computer. And this person HAS GOT to be a monster on the kit. I got shot down and I've got 20 ++ years of playing. Anyway, check out the site and the tunes, for TWO guys this is good and a full band at or above their level...well who knows.
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:46:10 +0300 From: "Manolis Samarakis" <samarakis@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: HOME single release?? Message-ID: <199910150041585@samarakis.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Hi there to everyone!!
I just wanted to ask if anyone knows whether the HOME single will be released as a CD-single or not, and if so, when will it be??
Did you see the track list of the 'Scenes from a memory'?? I was disappointed that "Metropilis-partII' is not included, or is it 'Dance Of Eternity'? Anyway, we'll all see in 11 days!!
Please answer me!!
Thank you in advance,
Manolis Samarakis
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:21:20 -0400 From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Doors Message-ID: <199910150520_MC2-8912-BD2F@compuserve.com>
> As far a Val Kilmer playing the role of Jim Morrison.. I don't > ANYONE could have done it better. The direction was excellent. > Having the other band members as consultants was quite helpful for > keeping the story accurate and in the proper mindset for those of us > that remember what it's like to be really tuned.
I can remember reading an interview with John Densmoore and he said that he didn't like the movie because it was Oliver Stones fantasy of what it would have been like to have been Jim Morrison when he (Stone) was sat in a trench in Vietnam, and if anyone ha read the book Riders on the Storm you will get a different impression of Jim than is portrayed in the movie. If you are someone that thinks Jim was an idol based on what you saw in the film don't read the book.
I would agree with Al on how to listen to these guys, being in the right frame of mind and in the right setting make such a difference.
As for the people that say they were shit, I can think of a lot of other mega bands out around that time that I think were really shit e.g. The Beatles (they have got a lot to answer for IMO)
Dave.
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:17:45 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: No DTC, Boss Me 30, Doors Message-ID: <3806FF49.9C4BD427@alphalink.com.au>
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Woah, this last jam was the best in ages. Today is a good day for me in prog. The local prog-metal radio station has been shifted out of the 2:00-6:00am slot to a time I can actually listen to it; there's a bunch of cool prog bands playing on halloween near me, as opposed to those dodgy hardcore bands; and second person from my home town arrive on the jam.
Paul Tadday wrote
> Howdy All, >
Hi!
> Can someone on the list please enlighten me to the story and/or concept > behind Space-Dye Vest? This song is one of the most enchanting that I have > ever heard.
Look in the FAQ- follow the links from www.dreamtheater.net
Then, sadly, some people wrote this crap about the Doors being untalented and stuff- I always feel sorry for people who think they are above this type of music. Then Al wrote..
> As far a Val Kilmer playing the role of Jim Morrison.. I don't ANYONE could > have done it better. The direction was excellent. Having the other band members > as consultants was quite helpful for keeping the story accurate and in the proper > mindset for those of us that remember what it's like to be really tuned.
You're right, Val Kilmer did make a good Jim, but unfortunately now I can't watch him without imagining him in a Batman suit.
> The Doors wasn't just a band, they were a mindset.
> I am currently using a BOSS ME-30 which is supposed to have included all the
> chipsets of the individual Boss stomp boxes. But I'm getting a very digital > (flat) tone... I get a better tone straight from my Fender Bronco Amp. How > do I get a more "sweeter" analog tone?
The trick is to put the guitar amp simulator on and leave it on. The tones are always a bit digital but keep working with it and you'll get some pretty decent tones. The only thing it really lacks is a really nice clean tone, but luckily if you can get this out of your amp, there is a bypass button.
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