YTSEJAM Digest 5107
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net>
2) philegality
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
3) RE: Could someone reccommend a good effects pedal?
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
4) Re: You not me
by JamesAhab@aol.com
5) CD Prices
by "!Richi Copper!" <enerichi@hotmail.com>
6) artists changing.....
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) Virgil Donati
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
8) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
9)
by "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5096
by Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
11) Derek Sherinian Interview
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
12) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
13) Jimmy M.
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
14) Re:Please help me!!!!!!!11
by "Fendi899" <lvc-sby@indo.net.id>
15) Greatest Rip Can Be Stopped?
by Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
16) Kid Schlock & DT
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
17) Why me?
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
18) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com>
19) Re: philegality
by "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com>
20) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com>
21) home on the radio
by Josh Walkowicz <chief@chorus.net>
22) Re: Jimmy M.
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:01:23 -0400
From: The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991012230123.007bda00@pop.louisville.crosswinds.net >
>Lots of places...production costs are generally $1.00-2.00 depending on the
>packaging.
Packaging?
I've seen sugar packets last longer than cd cases. The paper ones like for
singles last longer than plastic ones, and I'm a pretty careful guy. I hope
the sony mini disc catches on. A friend of mine has had experience with
them and from what I hear they are so much better that cds. Don't skip, you
can record on them, Can't scratch them, I see no down side
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:28:51 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: philegality
Message-ID: <002401bf152b$134f3bc0$013ca8c0@madstation>
> From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
> > What's that "?" all about? Do you doubt the fact
> that bootlegging is,in
> > general, illegal?
>
> Uhh, yeah... :o)
> We can go down the slippery slope of copyright law,
> but it's mostly a matter of opinion and perspective.
There is no grey area legally, in this matter. It's either legal or
it's not. It has nothing to do with YOUR interpretation or your opinion or
what you want etc. It's neither a slippery slope nor a perspective. That's
nothing but cutely worded nonsense.
> But you seem to be coming from the perspective of
> "what is intellectual property"?
No, I was coming from the "You either don't mean what you're saying (as
in "you didn't fully explain your position), your're just trying to come up
with some kind of legal justification which does not exist, or you have no
idea what you're talking about" perspective. Unless an artist has made
other arrangements with his or her label, booting is illegal. It doesn't
become legal because you know someone at a venue who will let you tape, or
because you're swift enough to get your dat in the door.
You will note however that I seperate illegal from immoral, as the two
are not necessarily related.
> When an artist plays
> live, are they giving away their creations for free?
> Sometimes they are, most times you've paid at the door
This has nothing to do with the concept of a bootleg. The concert
experience and the bootleg are two totally different things, by law, and by
common sense.
> ($$$). Can you capture the performance and take it
> with you? Once again, sometimes you can, sometimes you
> can't. Depends on what the artist wants and what legal
> contracts are applicable.
So if you grant this, where's the grey area? Where's the slippery
slope? Where is the matter of opinion or perspective?
> Now comes the real dilema:
> can you sell what you captured? It seems immoral on
> face value. The courts are mixed. They have been
> letting people sell all kinds of photos and videos
> (i.e. Tommy and Pamela Lee). That seems worse than
> selling a music boot, but they allow it anyway.
Geee... it also sounds very very DIFFERENT from selling a boot. In
fact, it's another incongruent argument. The Pamela Lee smut was not
protected under copyright when it was sold initially. Bret Michaels has a
copyright on his time with her, and as a result, the courts say "fuck you,
you can't sell it without his permission." The courts aren't mixed on any
of this stuff. That's nonsense. Show me ONE example of a case in which
someone has been allowed to sell bootlegs of a show where the label had the
right to that material. Until then, you can't say that "the courts are
mixed." I'm not a lawyer, and neither are you.... it seems kind of silly
for you to pretend that you've studied this enough to give that kind of
opinion.
> Philosophically, who can really own sounds, ideas,
> images and words?
Well, considering that there are laws that contradict your philosophy,
none of which I agree with personally, you have the option, I suppose of
starting some nation elsewhere in which you can create and ratify doctrine
based upon your own philosophy, or you can attempt to have them modified
here. The problem is, you're mixing your philosophy with your legal
concepts. Furthermore, you're totally jumping over a lot of relevant issues
when you say that it's public domain. What about the fact that the venues
don't openly allow booting? What about the fact that you generally have to
pay, and enter a private establishment in order to enjoy this "public
domain." What about the band or the label's claim to the product that they
create or that they have financed the creation of? What about the laws that
the courts have set up and that people have abided by pertaining to
intangibles? It's not ideas, it's music. Dream Theater just happen to
copyright their music. You can't copyright a scientific theory (at least,
not the way you can with art, literature, or music, which are products).
Gravity exists without Newton. Images and Words doesn't exist without Dream
Theater. Your comparison is not accurate. No offense.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:24:09 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Could someone reccommend a good effects pedal?
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991011232409.007faec0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
isnt the rp-14 from digitech good?
---Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- http://welcome.to/thenetdom
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:41:57 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: You not me Message-ID: <0.55504c90.25355985@aol.com>
>< This is despite the fact that the album contains the only DT song that I've never really liked, You Not Me. I realize that this was co-written with Demon Child, but I've always wondered how strongly the band feels about this tune, considering it was never released as a single (though that was the whole idea of bringing in DC in the first place) ><
To bring in Desmond Child was the label's choice (which shows that maybe they actually care). I would assume which songs are released as singles or as promos to radio stations are also the label's choice. Which didn't make much sense to release Hollow Years as the single when You Not Me got by far the most radio play off that album. I never heard Hollow Yeras on the radio.
>< they haven't (to my knowledge) played it live ><
They have at least once, that I'm sure of. I have an MP3.
Personally, I don't care much for YNM either way. I don't hate it, don't like it. I still think it's a better song that most of what you'll hear on the radio. And I actually liked the album version better than the demo. And I liked it better than several other tracks on FII.
Jim
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:57:43 EDT From: "!Richi Copper!" <enerichi@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CD Prices Message-ID: <19991013035743.22466.qmail@hotmail.com>
Having worked as a purchaser in a music retail store, I'm very qualified to share pricing from label to distribudor to retail.
Lets use FII as an example. $16.99 retail = $11.39 wholesale(average) = $10.39 label distribution
Another scheme is $7.99 wholesale, $11.99 retail
Or $11.99 wholesale, $17.99 retail
imports?
Japanese cd's usually go around $22-$24 for a new release wholesale.
European cd singles wholesale for $6.99 or $7.99
Go To WWW.IMPORTEDMUSIC.COM for EURO/JAPAN versions of CD's.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:14:04 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: artists changing..... Message-ID: <3804070C.55CBD121@home.com>
Chris Ptacek said: > I only call a sell out by such a name when > they follow an obvious curve. You just can't go from And Justice for > All to the Black Album by accident...
I agree with you totally Chris. It's that BLATANTLY INTENTIONAL change of style, along with a conscious change of image (a la Metallica).
However, it wasn't the transition from AJFA to The Black Album that jarred me quite as much as that next drastic step (right off the cliff) from the Black Album to (*shudder*) Load.
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:42:39 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Virgil Donati Message-ID: <l03130300b429bd08b4ad@[128.83.190.112]>
man, this guy can WAIL! I just got back from his clinic at Tommy's Drum Shop here in Austin, and this guy was incredible. He played a few tracks from his new CD, On the Virg, and he did about a 30 minute drum solo with no backing tracks, and it RULED! Me and some friends talked with him for a while after everyone had left, and he's a real cool guy, too. His feet are incredible. Raymond Hererra (Fear Factory) has nothing on Donati. He can do more with his feet than a lot of drummers can do with their hands. this guy is just absolutely incredible. I can't wait to hear the next Planet X CD, due out in the spring.
Jim Shields Guitar/Vocals Room 213 www.room213.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul / So forever hold the dream within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live. Dream Theater "Learning to Live" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <19991013052631.27638.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com>
--- Toby Guidry <strangebrew@mindspring.com> wrote: > If they weren't > making money hand over fist on big name artists, > they might not bother with > the relatively riskier artists like Dream Theater, > so I think I can find a > way to sleep at night when Kid Schlock is whoring > himself for the almighty > dollar, if it means I get to hear stuff like the > upcoming release on the > 26th.
After this, I shall attempt to cut down on the number of posts per month to avoid high placement on MFP list. Okie.
Dream Theater aren't exactly risky. In the US, they sell something like 500K copies of each album. Not much, right? But DT are a big hit in some places in the world. I think every DT album ever released has gone platinum in Japan alone. Those Japanese people have great taste in music. So, if a band can routinely go platinum (even if it's only once-platinum) with every release plus sell out a lot of shows per tour, they can hardly be called a risky business venture, esp when you remember the small amount of promotion DT gets. IMHO, any exec that doesn't want DT on the label needs to have his head examined right before he's shot.
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault." Me
:: listen to music :: Metropolis-- http://members.xoom.com/metrotrent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:45:05 +0100 From: "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: <199910130945050790.001BF2E9@mail.iol.it>
1- Anyone knows if there is a SILVER CD of the marvellous "Trial of= singles"? 2- Anyone knows if John Petrucci will do in the next album a= shred-hearted-solo like Under a glass moon? 3- 5 Best DT tune: A change of season; Take the time; Scarred; Lines in the sand; Bombay Vindaloo. Are you agree?
Cheers and good listening...
"..." James LaBrie, =ABErotomania=BB
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:25:15 +1100 From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5096 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991013072513.006cea3c@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
>Hello Jammers, > >With all of the synth talk out here lately, I thought I'd throw in a little >question for >all you ytse-keyboard wizards. I'm thinking of buying myself a synth module >to use with my PC. For the moment I'm using a Roland Groovebox which I >originally used as a drumcomputer to practice my guitar playing. I think it's >fine for this purpose, but I don't really like it as a sound module. >Any recommendations for a good, solid module with a good piano and string >section >are welcome.
Hopefully I'm not repeating anyone else's advice here, as I'm replying about 8 Jams behind.... but I'd recommend you check out the Roland JV-1010.... Fairly Limited front panel controls, but you're using it with a computer anyway so that shouldn't be a big problem... and sounds very nice indeed....
Nick
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:29:13 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Derek Sherinian Interview Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4F0B@ms.kallback.com>
> Derek was recently interviewed by Shockwaves Magazine. To read this > interview, visit them at > http://www.hardradio.com/shockwaves/sherinian1.html > >
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:03:30 +0100 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <495046aa3egraham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk> > Subject: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
> Here, in the UK, the average CD costs about =A315 (about $24 US).
So vote with your feet, and stop buying them. Order online instead. I think it's over a year since I last bought a CD in a real physical shop; I refuse to pay those prices! The Internet is a blessing. :-)
--=20 _______________________ ___________________________ |o o| |o o| | Graham Borland |:: | Picsel Technologies Ltd |:: | graham@picsel.com |:: | Glasgow, Scotland |:: |_______________________|:: |___________________________|:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:24:40 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Jimmy M. Message-ID: <38044FD8.ECCC74DD@isd.net>
I'm in one of my moods again... Does anyone else here on the Jam think The Doors kicked ass?
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:31:59 +0700 From: "Fendi899" <lvc-sby@indo.net.id> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re:Please help me!!!!!!!11 Message-ID: <002101bf155d$e1bf0f80$917a9fca@idola.idola.net.id>
Hello....
Can somebody tell me how to unsubcribe from this list ? my e-mail address is lvc-sby@indo.net.id
thanks FEndi
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:59:37 +0000 From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Greatest Rip Can Be Stopped? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991013105937.0081c380@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk>
Some of you guys got what I was getting at. Someone didn't. Why isn't possible for bands (once they are sucessful) to sell their albums directly. Thus they would cut out the thieving middle men (retailers, record label execs whoever) and make more profit themselves. Selling over the internet is so easy for most people now and there's a sense of satisfaction knowing exactly where ones hard earned cash is going. The only problem is recruiting new fans via speculative buying/browesing. But with CD prices being so high I don't think much of this goes on anyway. It's too risky. We tend to hear new music from our friends (not the radio over here. UK radio never ever plays music like DT or Vai. The USA is lucky that way). Another observation about MP3 and downloading music from legal internet sites (ie paying for it!). I, as a fan, like to have some tangible momento of the band I'm listening to. The old LP cover was great, the CD jewel box and booklet aren't bad, but with MP3 via the internet we'd have nothing! No artwork, no lyrics, no acknowledgements. Is this going to be addressed by the legal providers of internet MP3 music?
Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ Scotland 0141 339 8855 ext.4552
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:34:35 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Kid Schlock & DT Message-ID: <38046E4A.BC3F028F@pacific.net.ph>
It has been written:
[snip] ..the relatively riskier artists like Dream Theater, so I think I can find a way to sleep at night when Kid Schlock is whoring himself for the almighty dollar, if it means I get to hear stuff like the upcoming release on the
26th. [snip]
yeah...I kind of forgot about that concept. Excellent point. Let's buy some CDs by that M band, like the symphonic one coming up soon! Let's pay for the next DT album after this one. :)
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:34:03 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Why me? Message-ID: <3804601B.B59891ED@isd.net>
I have to share this with someone... And it certainly can't be the old lady. I was doing some late night security work at a metro area park when I met this slightly porky, but cute, 19 year blonde. Now I've got the gift of gab and I'm absolutely bored out of my skull so I figured I'd continue to converse with this gal for the lack of anything better to do. Anyway, out of the blue she lays a big sloppy kiss on me. Now I've been kissed a lot in my 37 years of existence so I'm no newcomer to the basic rules of smooching, but this was truly unique.
I couldn't take it! She was like kissing a toilet plunger. She must have been using that big ass like a bellows. I have no other explanation for her impression of gonzo guppy the great. Now granted, her "unique" technique could have its uses, just keep her out of my face. Needless to say, I declined the offer to continue this truly gruesome act. When I finally got her to leave, I immediately washed my face with one of those little packaged wipes and rinsed my mouth with mouthwash. This mind fucked me for the next few hours...
Even though I did nothing wrong, I don't think I'm going to share this with the little woman. She's really not the jealous type, but why push my luck.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:34:54 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <000f01bf1566$974fcc60$1283cdcf@cajunnet.com>
The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net> wrote: > >Lots of places...production costs are generally $1.00-2.00 depending on the > >packaging. > Packaging? > I've seen sugar packets last longer than cd cases.
LOL...sorry for not being clearer. Actually, I wasn't referring to just the jewel case by "packaging." I meant the whole package: i.e. liner note booklet, insert card, whatever is screened on the CD itself. Obviously the more complex the package, the more it's going to cost to manufacture. I'm sure that A Change Of Seasons costs more to mass produce with its excellent cover art and CD screening than say AC/DC's Back In Black with its black and white cover and only the tracklisting printed on the CD.
> The paper ones like for > singles last longer than plastic ones, and I'm a pretty careful guy.
Luckily jewel cases are readily replaceable.
> I hope > the sony mini disc catches on. A friend of mine has had experience with > them and from what I hear they are so much better that cds. Don't skip, you > can record on them, Can't scratch them, I see no down side
Other than the fact that you have to buy a whole new player and purchase more discs? That's about the only cons I see to MD.
L8r, Toby NP: V.A.S.T.
http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg
"Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here --here's American Gladiators. Watch this. Shut up. Here's American Gladiators. Here's fifty-six channels of it.... Here you go, America: you are free...
.. to do as we tell you" - Bill Hicks
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:50:22 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: philegality Message-ID: <001501bf1568$c06cc880$1283cdcf@cajunnet.com>
Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Now comes the real dilema: > > can you sell what you captured? It seems immoral on > > face value. The courts are mixed. They have been > > letting people sell all kinds of photos and videos > > (i.e. Tommy and Pamela Lee). That seems worse than > > selling a music boot, but they allow it anyway.
Christopher W. Ptacek <someone@digitalrodent.com> wrote: > Geee... it also sounds very very DIFFERENT from selling a boot. In > fact, it's another incongruent argument. The Pamela Lee smut was not > protected under copyright when it was sold initially.
Well, I'm no lawyer, so I'm not _sure_ if the laws are exactly the same, but copyright on the web is acheived as soon as a page or graphic is created and uploaded to the server (http://whatiscopyright.org). Any registration is just obtaining further legal establishment of your ownership.
> Bret Michaels has a > copyright on his time with her, and as a result, the courts say "fuck you, > you can't sell it without his permission."
Well, actually he has a copyright on the tape that was produced, but yes... ;)
> [...] Until then, you can't say that "the courts are > mixed." I'm not a lawyer, and neither are you.... it seems kind of silly > for you to pretend that you've studied this enough to give that kind of > opinion. <snip>
Well, as I said, I've only researched it when dealing with website materials, so YMMV.
L8r, Toby NP: V.A.S.T.
http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg
"Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here --here's American Gladiators. Watch this. Shut up. Here's American Gladiators. Here's fifty-six channels of it.... Here you go, America: you are free...
.. to do as we tell you" - Bill Hicks
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:09:35 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <002701bf156b$6fe49ac0$1283cdcf@cajunnet.com>
Toby Guidry <strangebrew@mindspring.com> wrote: > > If they weren't > > making money hand over fist on big name artists, > > they might not bother with > > the relatively riskier artists like Dream Theater, > > so I think I can find a > > way to sleep at night when Kid Schlock is whoring > > himself for the almighty > > dollar, if it means I get to hear stuff like the > > upcoming release on the > > 26th.
Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> wrote: <snip> > Dream Theater aren't exactly risky.
Which is why I said "relatively riskier" and not "risky." ;) There is always a degree of risk involved when you produce a product that is not truly guaranteed to sell.
> In the US, they > sell something like 500K copies of each album.
I thought the average was more like 200 to 300K according to an interview I remember reading from MP. The only certified 500K seller was Images & Words, though.
> Not > much, right?
Well, it's all relative really. Compared to Jagged Little Pill, those numbers are pathetic. Compared to Ratt or QR's latest release, those numbers are fairly good. As long as their sales numbers stay fairly consistent, though, they're a better risk than some, albeit not as good as others.
> But DT are a big hit in some places in > the world. I think every DT album ever released has > gone platinum in Japan alone.
That is true (although the platinum standard in Japan is relatively lower than the US - 100,000 = platinum there).
> Those Japanese people > have great taste in music.
Well, I'm not really going to debate that since I don't know which other bands may have gone platinum as well. ;)
> So, if a band can > routinely go platinum (even if it's only > once-platinum) with every release plus sell out a lot > of shows per tour, they can hardly be called a risky > business venture, esp when you remember the small > amount of promotion DT gets. [...]
Well, all business ventures contain some degree of risk, however slight it may be. When a record company advances an artist a certain amount of money to record an album, they weigh the amount given on how well they think the sales will be: i.e. it's a calculated risk, but a risk nonetheless. They also produce a certain number of copies on initial production runs which may or may not sell.
L8r, Toby NP: V.A.S.T.
http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg
"Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here --here's American Gladiators. Watch this. Shut up. Here's American Gladiators. Here's fifty-six channels of it.... Here you go, America: you are free...
.. to do as we tell you" - Bill Hicks
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:02:44 -0500 From: Josh Walkowicz <chief@chorus.net> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: home on the radio Message-ID: <01BF1551.55D1A480@a19-37.itis.com>
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> Hello, just wondering if anybody has had the privilege of hearing the Home > single on the radio? I've called all the local stations where I'm from and > noone has received it....big surprise. Not. Anyway, if anyone knows where > to find an .mp3 or .RA of just that single....please email me privately, not > to the jam. Nothing wrong with having an appetizer before the main course on * the 26th, IMO.
Well, I called the station in Madison, WI, last night, and he said that they had played it earlier in the evening, but I didn't hear it.
Josh chief@chorus.net
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:27:54 -0400 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jimmy M. Message-ID: <003601bf157e$c1f6c1e0$0200005a@Kez>
> > I'm in one of my moods again... Does anyone else here on the >Jam think The Doors kicked ass? > >-- >Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
No, Al, not me.
I think they were a poor excuse for a musical entity, with a strung out pseudo-poet as their "leader".
yuck. Unlistenable, IMHO. But then, what do I know, anyway? Maybe it's just my crappy stereos through the years that have made them sound that way. :)
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