YTSEJAM Digest 5106
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
2) ?
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
3) SFAM and Mike's Comment
by "Lionel" <rurouni@singnet.com.sg>
4) Re: "Home" - request info
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
5) LTE reunion/ new DT
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) Peter Hamill (NTDC)
by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
7) Reviews of new Royal Hunt, Consortium Project, Vision Divine etc..
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
8) various requests
by "Jared Rodecker" <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
9) re: Boots and Pirates arrrr ye scurvy dog!
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) Invitation to join lemurvoice@onelist.com
by mcoenen@cobweb.nl
11) Vaistuff
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) You not me
by "Rahul Ananda (Excell Data Corporation)" <a-raha@microsoft.com>
13) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5104
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
16) The Boss Metalzone...
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
17) Re: You not me
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
18) SV: Helsinki Simpsons?
by "Andreas Skarin - SDTS" <sdts@home.se>
19) SV: Stopping ads on the Jam?
by "Andreas Skarin - SDTS" <sdts@home.se>
20) Vai
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
21) New show reviews at Lines in the Sand!
by "Nick Bogovich" <bogie@mindstorm.com>
22) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
23) Re: You not me
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
24) Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
by "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com>
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:22:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910120617450.34136-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Anil Sahal wrote:
> There's a lot of talk of boot-legging and pirating in these digests
> but perhaps we're forgetting the the fact that we're being hugely
> ripped off by the musical retailers and companys themselves! =20
> <snip>
> So, when it costs so much to buy CD's is it any wonder that some folks
> will try and get it for much less or even for free by illegal means?
> <snip>
> We should be attacking this injustice with the same vigour as we attack
> other corporate crimes.
There's just one major flaw in what you say about the creative force not
getting any of this money. If EVERYBODY said the same thing that you just
did, then the band that made the CD would get absolutely no money from
sales. Zero. Zip. And why? Because everybody would have thought that
their seventeen dollars (or seventeen pounds, in your case) didn't support
the band enough and so went and got the album illegally. That's the one
reason I try to support my bands, especially DT and the like (although I'm
sure they're not hurting for money). I figure that if I didn't throw in
my two dollars' worth into what they make from the CD (or probably less
than that, if I remember correctly), and everybody else didn't throw in
THEIR two dollars' worth either, then the CD would not sell at all and
nobody would be making money off it whatsoever.
The point I'm trying to make is that each person has to do his or her own
part, and that's all he/she CAN do. Every little bit helps, doesn't it?
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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ICQ: 2513441
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"God is crying." If they ask why, another cute
thing to say is, "Probably something you did."
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:52:48 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: ?
Message-ID: <v04210100b428c1f8734a@[192.168.1.1]>
>I would like to see some artwork for a DT album made by Matt Groening...
Doh!
Well, could you please stop the everlasting discussion about the
secrecy thing now? Info about the new album is kept secret to make
sure you see the whole picture at once when you get the CD, not just
several puzzle pieces. Believe me, getting the real thing will be a
lot better than listening to some lousy MP3s or something...
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:47:43 +0800 From: "Lionel" <rurouni@singnet.com.sg> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFAM and Mike's Comment Message-ID: <002801bf14af$fccd2b80$62a515a5@tmcht>
Hey fellow ytsejammers,
Here's my 2 cents worth...
I've been a DT fan ever since IAW and have always given them as much support as I could possibly give being in Singapore and have been yearning to see them live in this region. Now, I haven't heard a thing of SFAM Mp3s, nor have I been to AMAZONE.com to check out the track listings; and yet I can't say that all the talk in the jam abt the new album has ruined my anticipation abt it. If any, it's actually whetted my appetite. Every DT album to me was, is and always will be masterpieces in their own rights. Nevermind abt people giving spoilers or hints abt the album, cos I know that when I finally get it in my hands, the pleasure will be all mine. This doesn't mean that I'm one for bootlegging, in fact, I hate it. but I just wanted Mike and you guys to know that there are still people out there like me who don't care abt whether the album has or hasn't been plagurised. We will still be stunned shitless by DT whenever they throw us a bone. We will always treasure what DT does to us and our lives.
There... have fun jamming!
Lionel Wong
"...Though I walk through valleys alone, I fear no evil. By the waters still my soul, My heart will trust in you..."
- Hillsongs
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:12:55 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: "Home" - request info Message-ID: <006b01bf14b3$7f220260$b2589780@resnet.rochester.edu>
> Hello, just wondering if anybody has had the privilege of hearing the Home > single on the radio? I've called all the local stations where I'm from and > noone has received it....big surprise. Not. Anyway, if anyone knows where > to find an .mp3 or .RA of just that single....please email me privately, not > to the jam. Nothing wrong with having an appetizer before the main course on > the 26th, IMO. > > Drew
Hey Drew......
Um, I'm not going to send you an mp3 or RA -- you can search for that quite easily, but let me just say this. If you download 1 song, download them all. To hear just ONE song *WILL* either pump you up to hear the rest of them, or, depending on which song you hear, completely ruin the surprise of the album. You may think I'm crazy, but I'd say either get the whole thing and listen to it at once, non stop with no outside interference, or don't get it at all until it's officially released :) Once you hear the whole thing, you'll understand I hope :)
Scott.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:42:49 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: LTE reunion/ new DT Message-ID: <38033AD9.BBEFEC59@home.com>
>> LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT REUNION >><snip>
Trent said: > I laughed real hard after reading this. Thanks for > perking up my Monday morning.
Cool, glad you found that humorous.
AL said (referring to the new DT).... > Fasten your seatbelts, my ass! You're going to need airbags for this ride..
Or perhaps a good racing harness?
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:41:23 -0400 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Peter Hamill (NTDC) Message-ID: <199910121454.HAA11793@fugazi.torchsong.com>
He is coming to my city at the end of the month.. I was wondering if any of you guys have seen him live? what should I expect?!
Mr. ProG
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:33:51 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: "ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Reviews of new Royal Hunt, Consortium Project, Vision Divine etc.. Message-ID: <38037F0F.114F7E22@hm.telia.no>
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:38:08 -0700 From: "Jared Rodecker" <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: various requests Message-ID: <000501bf14e9$4fe4e680$eb9eeda9@econ.ucdavis.edu>
Does anyone know if there is going to be a Japanese version of the new album, with the extra mini disc with bonus tracks like the FII?
And can anyone suggest a place where I might be able to track to down cd of the uncovered show at Ronnie Scott's in 1995. I would sort of like the entire show, even if that is 2cd. I have some things for a possible trade.
Email me privately.
Thanks.
Jared Rodecker jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Boots and Pirates arrrr ye scurvy dog! Message-ID: <19991012174212.17884.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> wrote:
> What you just did is not much different, logically, than saying > "Armed Robbery: Taking shit at gunpoint, and not paying for it. Bad. > Theft: taking shit and not paying for it. No big deal." You can't > support a legal argument for one and ignore the argument for the other. > What's that "?" all about? Do you doubt the fact that bootlegging is,in > general, illegal?
Uhh, yeah... :o)
We can go down the slippery slope of copyright law, but it's mostly a matter of opinion and perspective.
My point was that Pirating is taking money directly from the artist. Bootlegging does not.
But you seem to be coming from the perspective of "what is intellectual property"? When an artist plays live, are they giving away their creations for free? Sometimes they are, most times you've paid at the door ($$$). Can you capture the performance and take it with you? Once again, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. Depends on what the artist wants and what legal contracts are applicable. Now comes the real dilema: can you sell what you captured? It seems immoral on face value. The courts are mixed. They have been letting people sell all kinds of photos and videos (i.e. Tommy and Pamela Lee). That seems worse than selling a music boot, but they allow it anyway.
So legally, it's a murky area. It just results in lawyers making a lot of money. Now that's really theft! ;o)
Philosophically, who can really own sounds, ideas, images and words? They're intangibles. They just flow around. They're constantly re-integrated, borrowed, copied, and built upon. Should Newton be able to sue Eistein for using his ideas? It seems unfair, but most great creators don't get compensated for their ideas (at least not monetarily). But if you write a book or release a recording, you can get compensated. Those are more tangible items. It's easy enough to identify an exact copy of those, and copyright law specifically and always covers that case. But the ideas themselves, once they've come out, they're part of the collective consciousness; part of the universe; public domain.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:02:02 -0500 From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Vaistuff Message-ID: <19991012130202.A36547@enteract.com>
]From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
> I can see what Chris Ptacek is getting at when he says that the > cessation of evolution in a musicians works stifles their creativity. > Perhaps Steve Vai can be accused of stagnation but then evolution > occurs in very small, incremental steps. Now, I think Steve's music has > changed and in this fashion. But it's almost imperceptable and when we > hear that Vai is "radical" and "innovative" maybe we expect vast changes > in style etc (Vai does a Broadway Musical!).
Well, no, I don't think it'd be fair to say that I expect any radical modifications in his playing... just exploring some very new ideas. Trace his career. Zappa, he was a totally weird guitarist, doing some things that are just immensely difficult (memorizing tunes like the Jazz Discharge Party Hats, and playing guitar along with the voice). Flexible, he explores perhaps more sounds than on any other album. He also has nearly an Eddie Van Halen effect on the guitar community, with Call it Sleep and The Attitude song. Alcatraz, he does a cheese metal thing and goes for a much harder edge than elsewhere. In DLR he learns everything about being a wild showman. This must have been hilarious to watch him practice, but the end result is that he became a cool ass stage performer. PIL he does some new wave (that's what people called that genre back then) type of music, and plays with delay loops. These are pretty big changes. But if you look at P&W, to Sex and Religion, there's a ton of growth, without a ton of change. You don't have to change genres to grow. I love Fire Garden, but the only thing I thought was revolutionary, other than his vocal tracks, which I love on that album, was Bangkok, which we later find out that he didn't write!
> When we discover a musician that writes music that we have an affinity > for, why should we want them to change their formula? There are plenty > of new, up and coming bands that will produce music in every genre.
Are you a very big Yngwie Malmsteen fan? How about Poison. You listen to them much these days? I was a huge Malmsteen fan as a kid. But the dude is still playing the same thing. It's boring. You come to realize that the only reason to buy his next album is to hear whether his vocalist is singing about a red dragon or a blue one. That's not good. Take Iron Maiden for example. If they hadn't changed over the years, we'd never have gotten Number of the Beast, and then in turn we'd never have Seventh Son or Somewhere in Time. Then again, we'd have avoided Blaze Bailey, so I don't know what the better trade would be (and personally , I LOVE their first two albums). With change comes risk, but without risk, there's very little reward.
> I think that we music fans are a fickle bunch. When a band actually > does make a big change in their sound we say they're selling out or are > running out of ideas, or are just plain rubbish (Falling into Infinity > is a prime example of this).
I don't know. I'm confident in my own tastes and judgement that I don't feel like I should hide if I buy a Fiona Apple album, or a Beastie Boys album. I think I must enjoy life more than people who force themselves into a box and make fun of people who walk around freely. I love FII. Until I found out a couple things (like... until I heard UK) I think I liked the album more than anything else they've done. I think the band went in a more commercial direction, probably in part due to the label's push, and in part, to see if they could break into bigger venues and bigger circles. I think it backfired socially on them, but I don't think that it detracted from the art in their music. I still feel like that album is a 100% effort. I only call a sell out by such a name when they follow an obvious curve. You just can't go from And Justice for All to the Black Album by accident... and I think the only cleverness there was in figuring out how to write music catchy enough that 800 billion copies would be sold (that may be enough reason to buy the album, if you are interested in marketing and how to fit patterns). And now I want to say something about the new DT album, that I can not say and that I will not say now, but it made me laugh to think about it. Damn the veil!
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:31:54 -0700 From: "Rahul Ananda (Excell Data Corporation)" <a-raha@microsoft.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: You not me Message-ID: <E713F2760348D211A9B600805F6FA1AB02564FDA@RED-MSG-09.itg-messaging.redmond.corp.mRED-MSG-09.itg-messaging.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
-----Original Message----- ]From: Christopher Ptacek [mailto:someone@enteract.com] Subject: Vaistuff > themselves into a box and make fun of people who walk around freely. I love FII. Until I found out a couple things (like... until I heard UK) I think I liked the album more than anything else they've done. -------------
I've always felt the same way about FII. I listen to it WAY more than all the other DT albums combined, including I & W. This is despite the fact that the album contains the only DT song that I've never really liked, You Not Me. I realize that this was co-written with Demon Child, but I've always wondered how strongly the band feels about this tune, considering it was never released as a single (though that was the whole idea of bringing in DC in the first place), they haven't (to my knowledge) played it live, and it's hardly ever mentioned in interviews. It almost seems like they're deliberately ignoring this song. Like they're embarassed about it.Or am I WAY off base here?
Rahul Ananda a-raha@microsoft.com Microsoft Corporation - Y2K Project http://www.microsoft.com/y2k
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:54:38 -0400 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <008d01bf14eb$9e5e1820$47ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> There's just one major flaw in what you say about the creative force not > getting any of this money. If EVERYBODY said the same thing that you just
I think what his point was is not that the artists get nothing, but that the CD retailers take too much for themselves. If the artists get $1.50 per CD, then why do the retailers deem it necessary to mark the discs up so much? Because we keep paying. Why not mark the prices up if sales keep increasing?
I can hear it now:
Mr. Joe disgruntled: "These CDs are so expensive I can't STAND IT!"
Clerk: "Well, what are you going to do?"
Joe: "(insert Jim Carrey's speech from Liar Liar about his impounded car here)"
As "the consumer", our only options are either to pay the prices we hate, pirate the music, wait 6 months until columbia house will give it to us for three bucks, or not listen to it at all... True, $17 isn't really a small price to pay, but again, maybe it IS a small price to pay...
Regards Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371 AOL IM: Mortua IRC: Mortua >
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:08:55 -0400 From: The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991012160855.007be4a0@pop.louisville.crosswinds.net >
\ >perhaps we're forgetting the the fact that we're being hugely ripped off by >the musical retailers and companys themselves! =20 > I agree. I saw on the news the other day that it only cost about $1 (American) to make a cd. Let's see, That's about a $23 proffit. I'm in the wrong business. Let's give the artists about $3 a cd, say a cd sells a million copies, Cost's $1million to make 1 million cds, The band gets $3million dollars, producer and all that get $2million, and the distributors get how much, $19 million?! am I right Of course the figures are very rough but it is very annoying. How about we send donations straight to the band, get mp3s, put them on our own cds(blank ones about $3 a piece), we've saved about $20. I remember when I bought Nirvana Unplugged in New York for $11.00, now how come it is More than Twice as much. Have any of you ever heard of the Gathering? Well they came out with an awesome double cd, "for the price of one" I love those guys Love dave
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:12:22 EDT From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5104 Message-ID: <19991012201222.31570.qmail@hotmail.com>
]From: "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
[[anyone else noticed that the jam has gone completly commercial since it has changed addresses? now not only do we get to see information on our favorite band but we also getto shop for anything from Y2K compliance to breast implants and penis enlargements. this is GrEaT! Now I know where I am gonna start advertising my Y2K compliant Penis Enlargement System. Better act fast as millions of men will be rendered in0operable unless they subscribe to this service before 12-31-99. HAHAHAHA]] --------------------------------------------
Wouldn't you rather call this the "Penis Prowess 2000 System"?
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:27:51 EDT From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Boss Metalzone... Message-ID: <19991012202751.19203.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sure, that's a good pedal. If you like cheesegrater distortion as it sounds in my opinion. Those petals are noisy. I have heard that the Marshall Shredmaster is a much cleaner, better sounding pedal. People are saying that the Metal Zone has way more gain than the Shredmaster, but I think they're confused. The Metal Zone seems like it has higher gain, but it's not clear gain like the Shredmaster.
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:31:36 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: You not me Message-ID: <002d01bf14f0$cbd05d40$ad9d8ad1@boner>
> about this tune, considering it was never released as a single (though that > was the > whole idea of bringing in DC in the first place), they haven't (to my > knowledge) played > it live, and it's hardly ever mentioned in interviews. It almost seems like > they're > deliberately ignoring this song. Like they're embarassed about it.Or am I
I think they did play it live once or twice. :-)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:36:59 +0200 From: "Andreas Skarin - SDTS" <sdts@home.se> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SV: Helsinki Simpsons? Message-ID: <007101bf14f9$eb25d2c0$6173d1d4@jeusitlk>
>Hey you Finns have it made right now - getting a Mike Portnoy clinic = >AND a=20 >John Petrucci clinic - go Finland (mine's a double Finlandia vodka)!
You really shouldn't drink that shit. It tastes like moonshine. Go get = yorself a nice bottle of Absolut Vodka instead :o)
Andreas Skarin Swedish Dream Theater Society http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:sdts@home.se=20
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:37:28 +0200 From: "Andreas Skarin - SDTS" <sdts@home.se> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SV: Stopping ads on the Jam? Message-ID: <007601bf14f9$fc4d4d80$6173d1d4@jeusitlk>
>Why don't we just do what every other mailing list does, and not allow >in messages from unregistered email addresses?=20
Maybe Skadz is making extra pocket money by selling advertisement to the = list? ;-)
Andreas Skarin Swedish Dream Theater Society http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:sdts@home.se=20
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:32:30 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Vai Message-ID: <3803467E.DC9C5DCA@mol.com.mk>
> From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk> > Subject: The Ultra Zone > > It has a heavy eastern influence (with various Hindu prayers sung > in their original sanskrit) and eastern scales etc. But he's also > included commercial songs as well as instrumentals, possibly in an > attempt to increase sales in the far east (he needs to make a living > like the rest of us!).
I don't think this is true! Steve long ago is interested in oriental philosophy and philosophy in general and it's obvious in some of his music. I find it hard to believe that Vai makes this music JUST for the fact to get some more audience in the east, it's ridiculous assumption IMHO.
> Can Steve Vai produce another P&W? NO!
He doesn't need to! Same as we don't want just another Awake album by DT! Vai was always adventurist and explorer in his music, expdect being awesome guitarist! Someone said this UZ album is some Zappaish! I agree. Vai uses the latest technology and all those weird synth. sounds and creates music. Some might hate it, some might like it. Zappa fans find it cool. I like the spirit behind his work, it's inventive.
Although UZ is weird album at the beginning you get use to it later. And his vocal songs really ain't bad, they're very good IMO. I hate when some folks expect guitarists to do all the time crazy shred guitar albums. I still think Vai new work is way better than what Satch did with Crystal Planet! Now I just eagerly except the new Satch studio release. If it's in the same manner as CP, as far as I am concerned - Satch is history. -- CyberDuke ________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:20:26 -0400 From: "Nick Bogovich" <bogie@mindstorm.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: New show reviews at Lines in the Sand! Message-ID: <000201bf1508$5ed56bf0$3b00dc12@zefer.com>
Hey everyone,
I finally buckled down (fuck school, right?) and integrated show reviews into the Dream Theater tourography at Lines in the Sand. If you have ever been to a Dream Theater show or have listened to a bootleg of a particular show, I urge you to head over to LITS and add your review of the show! This will be a great way to keep those memories of Dream Theater shows alive and in one place!
Enjoy, Bogie
PS - Yes, the 1998 set lists are coming!
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <19991013001837.981.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net> wrote: > wrong business. Let's give the artists about $3 a > cd, say a cd sells a > million copies, Cost's $1million to make 1 million > cds, The band gets > $3million dollars, producer and all that get > $2million, and the > distributors get how much, $19 million?!
Your point is well taken, but consider this-- Alanis Morissette recieved $1 for every copy of her Jagged Little Pill CD that was sold and (this is my favorite part) that considered a rather hefty payment since she was a newcomer at the time. Kinda makes you wonder where the other $12 you spend on CDs goes. I don't think it's retailers; my personal theory is that it goes straight into record label executive pocket. Boy I hate those damned execs...
===== *Trent
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:24 -0200 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: You not me Message-ID: <19991012172024.A5230@iname.com>
On Oct 12 1999, Rahul Ananda (Excell Data Corporation) wrote: [You Not Me] > I realize that this was co-written with Demon Child, but I've always > wondered how strongly the band feels about this tune, considering it > was never released as a single (though that was the whole idea of > bringing in DC in the first place), they haven't (to my knowledge) > played it live, and it's hardly ever mentioned in interviews.
Your knowledge in incomplete here. It was played in Japan on Jan 16th, 1998, at least.
I have the bootleg, BTW. 8)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:52:29 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Greatest Musical Rip Off of All! Message-ID: <001701bf1515$3ce99220$d6898ad1@cajunnet.com>
Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> wrote: > Your point is well taken, but consider this-- Alanis > Morissette recieved $1 for every copy of her Jagged > Little Pill CD that was sold and (this is my favorite > part) that considered a rather hefty payment since she > was a newcomer at the time.
That actually is a relatively steep amount for a new artist. The range is generally from $.50 to $2.00 for the artist from what I understand. Obviously, established artists are going to be on the higher side.
> Kinda makes you wonder > where the other $12 you spend on CDs goes.
Lots of places...production costs are generally $1.00-2.00 depending on the packaging. The distributors are going to get a chunk. Production, advertising, and touring costs are usually going to come off the top as well.
> I don't > think it's retailers;
They make a fair profit, but probably not much more.
> my personal theory is that it > goes straight into record label executive pocket. Boy > I hate those damned execs...
Well, to an extent, that's true. The record label does wind up seeing a substantial chunk of change from successful albums. Their defense is that they also front the costs for far more relatively UNsuccessful albums. For every Jagged Little Pill that goes diamond, there are probably 10 Q2Ks. For some acts that the labels give a MAJOR push to, they can lose money and still go platinum. I seem to recall one of Def Leppard's albums (Hysteria IIRC) needing to sell 6 million copies for them to just break even when advances and various and sundry costs were taken into account. Of course, I was an evil business major, so I have a slight bit of sympathy (very slight in the case of companies the size of major record labels) for businessmen who risk their own capital wanting to eke out a profit. If they weren't making money hand over fist on big name artists, they might not bother with the relatively riskier artists like Dream Theater, so I think I can find a way to sleep at night when Kid Schlock is whoring himself for the almighty dollar, if it means I get to hear stuff like the upcoming release on the 26th.
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