YTSEJAM digest 5104

From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Date: Mon Oct 11 1999 - 18:42:40 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 5104

    Today's Topics:

      1) Patients!
     by Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
      2) Re: Upset about Upset People
     by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
      3) Re: LTE news item!!!
     by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
      4) Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
     by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5103
     by "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
      6) RE: John P's equipment
     by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
      7) Re: Your Candidancy and Recognition
     by mrinc@ovtqw.mixmail.com
      8) re: Simpson's reference
     by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
      9) Re: Boots vs. Pirating
     by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
     10) Re: Patients!
     by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
     11) Late release date...
     by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
     12) re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
     by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
     13) Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
     by JamesAhab@aol.com
     14) The Many Topics of Yt Se Jam.
     by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
     15) re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
     by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
     16) Re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
     by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
     17) Re: Patients!
     by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
     18) anyone who's got SFaM
     by rockrockrockrock <rockrockrockrock@yahoo.com>
     19) Men's Sexual Secrets
     by DTGirl2612@aol.com
     20) Helsinki Simpsons?
     by DTGirl2612@aol.com
     21) John P's equipment
     by DTGirl2612@aol.com
     22) Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
     by GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:40:30 +0000
    From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Patients!
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991011154030.00798100@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk>

    Whatever happened to good old patients? Half the funn is in the waiting
    for the release!

    Perhaps it's a sign of our "MTV" culture and its need for instant
    gratification!

    Then again it could be a sign that I'm a sad old git!

    Anil

    Anil Sahal
    Motoneurone Research Group
    Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems
    West Medical Building
    University of Glasgow
    Glasgow
    G12 8QQ
    0141 339 8855 ext.4552

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:50:13 -0400
    From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
    To: A Ytse of Seasons <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Upset about Upset People
    Message-ID: <4.1.19991011104723.00980390@pop.usefulware.com>

    Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

    Zack:
    >Why didn't everyone voice how bad-bad-naughty-naughty they thought this
    >whole bootleg guy was on the jam right after he solicited?

    Because I sent him private emails instead. The whole 'jam doesn't need to
    see "Take your advertisements elsewhere, idiot," which is basically what I
    sent him.

    Get off your high horse.

    cheers,
    Phil

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: LTE news item!!!
    Message-ID: <19991011161928.18711.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>

    --- Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> wrote:
    >
    > LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT REUNION
    <snip>

    I laughed real hard after reading this. Thanks for
    perking up my Monday morning.

    =====
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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
    Message-ID: <19991011162613.20224.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com>

    --- MaxArbot@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > Yes, I did it. I downloaded the new album. I found
    > it on IRC purely by
    > chance, and couldn't help myself from getting it.
    > Some of you might bitch
    > and moan about that, but honestly I don't care.
    > Some of you are a little too
    > anal at times (no, I'm not referring to the rectum).

    When that little "No SFAM discussion on the Jam" came
    from on high, I felt kinda good about it, as if my
    surprise wouldn't be spoiled. When it was lifted
    (which basically meant the band said it was okay to
    discuss the new album), I still haven't discussed nor
    have I downloaded mp3s. I never really understood why
    until yesterday.

    I stopped waiting for the album's actual release for
    the sake of the band a long time ago. Now, I'm not
    listening to mp3s or whatever b/c I choose not to. I
    want to be surprised on Oct. 26th. And when I take
    the CD home to listen to it for the first time, I want
    to do it in such a way so that nothing will be spoiled
    for me.

    I'm not trying to flame you. We each made our
    decisions based on our appreciation for the music. If
    you're satisfied with the way things turned out, I say
    props to you. As far as other people's opinions go,
    personally I think some list members tend to overreact
    every time Mikey picks his nose, but that's just my
    opinion. Laterz.

    =====
    *Trent

    "Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault."
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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:39:22 -0400
    From: "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5103
    Message-ID: <199910111640.JAA24858@fugazi.torchsong.com>

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: RE: John P's equipment
    Message-ID: <19991011172232.17890.rocketmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>

    ]From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <hkemppinen@hotmail.com>
    Subject: John P's equipment

    Does any fellow guitarist have any info on what kinds
    of strings and picks our favorite guitarist, John
    Petrucci uses?

    thanks!
    -------------------

    Dunlop Jazz III picks. "The little black ones." He
    uses these because they have a small point on them.
    He uses different kinds of strings. D'addario
    009-.042 usually. At a clinic I went to he used an
    Ernie Ball Hybrid set (.009-.046) so who knows!

    TB

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:11:21 -0500
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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: re: Simpson's reference
    Message-ID: <19991011173650.4422.rocketmail@web111.yahoomail.com>

    DTGirl2612@aol.com posted:

    > Although I am sure your post was not meant to be
    malicious, can you write
    > Finnish as well as he can write
    Engish????????Probably not ..........

    Although I'm sure your post was not meant to be
    humorous, let me throw you a clue...damn, you missed
    it again.

    There's a meeting of the American Neo-fascist
    Anti-Humor League in your area soon. You may want to
    attend.

    my $.02, BH

    P.S. While this doesn't need to be said, I'll go ahead
    and make it clear that I thought the original
    Simpson's reference was on purpose, and I was
    acknowledging that I found it funny. And I didn't see
    (or try to infer) any problems with the "English"
    used.

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:20:43 -0500
    From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: Boots vs. Pirating
    Message-ID: <004a01bf1415$5d2f1a60$49078ad1@boner>

    you're allowing your own opinion, i suppose. Pirating, in my opinion, is
    stealing. you are unlawfully copying and selling replications of cds you do
    not own the copyright and do not have permission to do so. Bootlegging is
    (generally speaking) a complement to a hardcore fan's collection. it's
    usually unreleased demos, live shows, or other material that "leaks" to the
    public's hands. of course, there are always people who are making money off
    of bootlegs, but they aren't considered to be in my "general" case.

    >
    > What is the difference between PIRATING and BOOTLEGGING? It STILL sounds
    like
    > STEALING to me!!!!!!!
    >

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:50:44 -0500
    From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Patients!
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991011185044.01613dc4@pi-r-squared.com>

    At 07:59 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >
    >Whatever happened to good old patients? Half the funn is in the waiting
    >for the release!
    >

    hmmm... patients? Well I guess the ytsejam could be considered an
    alleviation for your daily flame&idiocy addiction, or prog news or whatever.
    In that way we're all still patients. Now pacience... that's a different
    matter entirely. ;)

    PS this message is not intended for the sarcasm impaired. Thank you.

    Palpatine
    Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
    of Anime-no-kai
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    "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
    "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his
    house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:34:00 -0500
    From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Late release date...
    Message-ID: <19991011.133401.242.0.willeyatc@juno.com>

    ERIC wrote:
    >Now, I hope the band doesn't get mad at people like me. They must
    understand
    >that we are, for the most part, completely loyal and fanatical fans.
    I'm not
    >sure why the decided to release the album this late. Maybe it was the
    >logistics of it all; I don't really know.

    I think it was about a month ago when mike posted the on "the wire" that
    they had just put the finishing touches on the album. I assume that meant
    they had just finished mastering the album and had just sent it off the
    the label. If this was the case (and Mike P. may be able to help us out
    here???) then you have to expect at the very least a month or so before
    the label and manufacturers can get the printing of the booklets and the
    pressing of the CD's done for however many million(??) CD's they are
    producing. There can always be glitches in the system (it took me over a
    month and a half to get 1000 CD's printed) and I am sure they were
    allowing time for this if it happenned. Anyway, hope this helps with the
    question of why the album will be released on october.

    NP: Metropolis I (yeah baby!!!)

    Jonathan Willey A.T.,C.
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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
    Message-ID: <19991011204244.22116.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com>

    "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@iserve.net> wrote:

    > What is the difference between PIRATING and
    BOOTLEGGING?
    > It STILL sounds like STEALING to me!!!!!!!

    Pirating - Making illegal copies of official releases
    and selling them. Very bad.

    Bootlegging - Making illegal(?) copies of unofficial
    music (such as demos and live recordings) and selling
    them. Not as bad.

    Funny thing is, some bootleggers accuse other
    bootleggers of pirating their bootlegs...

    In general, the big rip-off comes from pirating. That
    takes money right out of the artist's pocket.
    Bootlegging just takes some control away from them.
    I.e. many performers don't want a recording of a bad
    live performance to be distributed. And who can blame
    them. They would rather pick the performances and
    "clean them up" a bit before anyone hears a recording.
    Plus they get to make some money on official live
    releases.

    You can't really say that bootlegs take money away
    from an artist. It's not something the artist would
    release and make money from anyway. The quality isn't
    there. And any consumer who likes an artist enough to
    buy a bootleg will most likely buy any and all
    official releases. No revenue lost.

    my $.02, BH

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:46:17 EDT
    From: JamesAhab@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
    Message-ID: <0.11883227.2533a699@aol.com>

    >< When that little "No SFAM discussion on the Jam" came from on high, I
    felt kinda good about it, as if my surprise wouldn't be spoiled. When it was
    lifted (which basically meant the band said it was okay to discuss the new
    album), I still haven't discussed nor
    have I downloaded mp3s. I never really understood why until yesterday. I
    stopped waiting for the album's actual release for the sake of the band a
    long time ago. Now, I'm not
    listening to mp3s or whatever b/c I choose not to. I want to be surprised on
    Oct. 26th. ><

    If I might ring in on this discussion: I personally don't understand the
    secrecy. I can understand it if the band wants everyone to hear it as an
    album so they can experience it the way it's meant to be heard, as one whole.
    They don't want people downloading MP3s or reading the lyrics, cuz if you
    hear one song, you're not getting the entire picture. But if that theory were
    true, DT wouldn't push the single until after the album came out. I don't
    understand the whole surprise thing. I downloaded the entire album and burned
    it to CDR. I didnt tell anyone how to get it; I didnt try to sell it; etc. I
    listened it as a whole album, and it was a surprise to me cuz it was so good.
    What does it matter on what date that I heard it. You're gonna be happily
    surprised whether you hear it on October 26th, or a month before that.
    Another reason may be because they don't want what happened to FII to happen
    to SFAM. Everyone heard clips of FII before it came out, and they're
    judgement was aletered. A lot of people didn't like it and sales went down.
    That's bullshit. People didn't like it cuz it was not up to Dream Theater
    standards. I don't care when, where, or how you hear an album...if it's good,
    you'll like it. If it's bad, you won't. Say no one in the world heard
    anything from FII until the day it was released; the majority still won't
    like it. On the other hand, everyone in the world could hear SFAM months
    before its released, but its good, so people will like it. I personally don't
    think it matters if you hear an album months before it comes out; you'll like
    it just as much on October 26th as you will in September or whenever. Maybe
    they want the album to be heard as one piece; that's perfectly
    understandable. But there's no surprise factor. people arent not going to
    like it just cuz they heard an mp3 or two a few months before it came out.

    Jim

    np - the gathering: how to measure a planet

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:58:46 -0500
    From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: The Many Topics of Yt Se Jam.
    Message-ID: <19991011155846.A57083@enteract.com>

    > Subject: Fabulous New Product

            We should compile a list of words found in these posts (like
    Viagra) that are not really important words to the jam, and have em
    flagged so that the posts don't get through. We've never gotten this much
    spam before... makes me wonder if a jammer or disgruntled ex jammer didn't
    send the addy out to spam lists.

    > From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <hkemppinen@hotmail.com>
    > Subject: John P's equipment
    >
    > Does any fellow guitarist have any info on what kinds of strings and picks
    > our favorite guitarist, John Petrucci uses?

            D'Addario .009's and Dunlop Jazz III, last I checked.

    > From: The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net>
    > Subject: Re: musicians

            Hey bro, if you check the post to which you're responding, you'll
    see that it was requested that responses be sent privately. Keep
    practicing, and get outta Kentucky!

    > From: Zack1183@aol.com
    > Subject: Upset about Upset People
    >
    > Why didn't everyone voice how bad-bad-naughty-naughty they thought this whole
    > bootleg guy was on the jam right after he solicited? Everyone waited until

            I beat Mike to the punch, so maybe I'm special. But I know what
    you're saying. I think that the rash of apologies are from 2 camps: 1)
    that which you acknowledge as people who want a Portnoy Cookie, and 2)
    people who are truly afraid that Mike will come to hate the members of
    this list and stop doing cool things for us all. I don't know him
    personally, but I have to believe he'll get over this shit. It's hardly
    the darkest or most foul thing that's occurred on this list. It does
    prove, though, that there really truly are some very ignorant people on
    this list.

    > Am I also the only one that thinks it is silly to censor the list of any SFaM
    > postings? Last time I checked, this was a DT mailing list. If you don't want
    > to risk hearing things about the new album... don't read Jams until the 26th.
    > Read a book. I could suggest a few.

            Umm, unless you're new, you'd know that this has been covered ad
    nauseum, and that the general idea is that since Mike wishes for us not to
    talk about the album publicly, and we like getting feedback directly from
    him on this list, and because people don't want to hear about the new
    album until they have it, that we're going to keep quiet. You're just as
    capable of starting your own list if you can't handle the "rules" (I only
    agree with them to an extent... that we shouldn't discuss song structures,
    things that occur in the songs, lyrics, tones etc... until everyone has
    the album... but I don't think it can hurt to abide. The dude abides.

    > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
    > Subject: The Ultra Zone

            I think that there are definite moments of brilliance on the new
    Vai album, but I think the reason people are getting dark on him, is that
    in his last 4 albums (that's counting Leftovers, since he redid so much of
    that) he hasn't really stretched. P&W is clearly a labor of love. It
    sounds like he spent a lifetime getting it to sound how he wanted it, and
    getting the writing all wicked cool. But since then, he hasn't changed...
    he's almost an ego away from being Yngwie (okay... that was harsh). It
    sounds like perhaps he's a bit too complacent in his playing... which I
    think is Sherinian's big fault. When an artist or band stops growing,
    they die. Unless of course people blindly follow them just on name
    recognition alone... *cough* STONES *cough*

    Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
     "Everything that can be invented has
     been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
     Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
    Message-ID: <19991011212017.12181.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>

    > You can't really say that bootlegs take money away
    > from an artist. It's not something the artist would
    > release and make money from anyway. The quality
    > isn't
    > there. And any consumer who likes an artist enough
    > to
    > buy a bootleg will most likely buy any and all
    > official releases. No revenue lost.
    >
    > my $.02, BH

    I'd take that a step further and say that bootlegs
    might do more to *enhance* a band's reputation. I
    downloaded a few live concerts in mp3 format off the
    web a few weeks ago and was shocked. OIALT is
    phenomenal and everything, but these bootlegs were
    even better (close call tho). Bootlegs have only
    enhanced DT's in-concert-reputation, as far as I'm
    concerned.

    On the other end of that spectrum, I also downloaded a
    few full length Tori Amos albums off some dude's FTP
    site. I love what I heard, but for right now I don't
    have the money to buy the CDs. Well, I had enough to
    buy just one, so I did. So I'll continue listening to
    the mp3s for now, at least until I have enough cash to
    buy the actual CD. I feel I owe Ms. Amos that much.
    IMHO, pirates should be dragged out to a street and
    beaten with a wooden cane and a pillow case filled
    with doorknobs. I have nothing against mp3s to get a
    feel for an album or an artist, but IMHO there's no
    substitute for owning the CD and checking out the
    linger notes. Pirates suck. Bootleggers almost suck.

    =====
    *Trent

    "Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault."
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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:18:53 -0500
    From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
    Message-ID: <008601bf142e$3b8227e0$49078ad1@boner>

    > Pirating - Making illegal copies of official releases
    > and selling them. Very bad.
    >
    I agree.

    > Bootlegging - Making illegal(?) copies of unofficial
    > music (such as demos and live recordings) and selling
    > them. Not as bad.
    >
    Not necessarily selling them. Not all bootleggers do.

    > Funny thing is, some bootleggers accuse other
    > bootleggers of pirating their bootlegs...
    >
    That's just dumb. I've seen some of this and wondered how people could do
    it. Even Bahr didnt care if you make replications of his bootlegs.

    > In general, the big rip-off comes from pirating. That
    > takes money right out of the artist's pocket.
    > Bootlegging just takes some control away from them.
    > I.e. many performers don't want a recording of a bad
    > live performance to be distributed. And who can blame
    > them. They would rather pick the performances and
    > "clean them up" a bit before anyone hears a recording.
    > Plus they get to make some money on official live
    > releases.
    >
    I agree, but, personally i dont like the "cleaned up" version. i think the
    mistakes, equipment problems, crowd noise and other performance difficulties
    add to the character of the band and the performance. not to mention, to
    official product can be a big rip off to the fans. For instance, take the
    G3 live album. 3 tracks from satch/vai/johnson and the end jam. i'd take a
    bootleg of the entire show over that anyday. of course, i still bought the
    cd and video to support the artists.

    > You can't really say that bootlegs take money away
    > from an artist. It's not something the artist would
    > release and make money from anyway. The quality isn't
    > there. And any consumer who likes an artist enough to
    > buy a bootleg will most likely buy any and all
    > official releases. No revenue lost.
    >
    I agree with this as well.

    Edward Polzin
    Live and Rare Recordings
    http://polzin.home.mindspring.com

    CD Liners Downloads
    http://members.xoom.com/polzin322

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:47:57 -0500
    From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Patients!
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991011214757.016152f0@pi-r-squared.com>

    At 11:53 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >
    >At 07:59 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >>
    >>Whatever happened to good old patients? Half the funn is in the waiting
    >>for the release!
    >>
    >
    >hmmm... patients? Well I guess the ytsejam could be considered an
    >alleviation for your daily flame&idiocy addiction, or prog news or whatever.
    >In that way we're all still patients. Now pacience... that's a different
    >matter entirely. ;)
    >

    er... *loses all respect for himself* that should read patience ;)

    Palpatine
    Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
    of Anime-no-kai
    "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
    "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
    "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his
    house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
    From: rockrockrockrock <rockrockrockrock@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: anyone who's got SFaM
    Message-ID: <19991011215404.8331.rocketmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com>

    anyone who's got SFaM and wants to talk about it,
    please e-mail privately! there is MUCH to discuss ;)

    =====

    __________________________________________________
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    Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:25:31 EDT
    From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Men's Sexual Secrets
    Message-ID: <0.1e9a5809.2533bddb@aol.com>

    Does anyone else wonder how these weird postings get onto the Jam??

    <New, Easy to Read Book on Men's Sexual Secrets>

    Also:
    <Avatar Publishing
    168 second Ave
    #PBM 285
    New York, NY. 10003>

    Perhaps someone at Avatar Studios having a laugh??

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:25:35 EDT
    From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Helsinki Simpsons?
    Message-ID: <0.120f2589.2533bddf@aol.com>

    >> Finnish as well as he can write Engish????????
     Probably not .........>>

    <the Troy McClure quote _was_ intentional. Besides, I'm much more hurt
    about the fact that someone questions my ability to write "Engish" :) >

    Don't be hurt, it was a joke also 8-)
    You write "Engish" better than some of us who have it as a first language
    ........
    I am sure none of us could write Finnish as well (which was my point in the
    first place, for those who didn't quite get it)

    At least we are trying to lighten the mood on the list at the moment - which
    is SORELY needed.

    Hey you Finns have it made right now - getting a Mike Portnoy clinic AND a
    John Petrucci clinic - go Finland (mine's a double Finlandia vodka)!

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    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:25:34 EDT
    From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: John P's equipment
    Message-ID: <0.4af74509.2533bdde@aol.com>

    <<From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <hkemppinen@hotmail.com>

    Does any fellow guitarist have any info on what kinds of strings and picks
    our favorite guitarist, John Petrucci uses? >>

    D'Addario 10-46. Low B 56 on the 7 string guitar.
    Guitar picks are Dunlop Jazz 3s.

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    Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:30 +0200
    From: GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
    Message-ID: <199910112230.P88f@semagroup.sema.se>

    --- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 99-10-12 00.30

    VANDEN PLAS - Far Off Grace GERMANY
    Rating: * * * * September 1999
                                    INSIDEOUT
                                    IOMCD 043
                                    Time: 59:59

    Musicians:
    Andy Kuntz: lead vocals
    Stephan Lill: guitar, vocals
    Torsten Reichert: bass
    G=FCnter Werno: keyboards, vocals
    Andreas Lill: drums

    Additional musicians:
    Dennis Ward - backing vocals

    Tracklist:
    1. I can See (4:01)
    2. Far Off Grace (7:03)
    3. Into The Sun (6:32)
    4. Where's The Man (6:10)
    5. Inside Of Your Head (6:13)
    6. Don't Miss You (3:51)
    7. Iodic Rain (6:54)
    8. Fields Of Hope (6:46)
    9. I'm With You (6:43)
    10. Kiss Of Death (5:41) (Bonus track on the European edition,
    original version: Dokken)

    The first time I heard about the progressive metal band Vanden
    Plas was on the Dream Theater mailing list Ytsejam. I recognised
    that in a short period of time Vanden Plas was discussed quite
    often. With this their third release I finally got to hear them,
    and now I understand why they appeared in the discussions on
    Ytsejam. First of all they are very good, but more important is
    that they musically have a lot in common with Dream Theater.

    What's separating Vanden Plas from Dream Theater then? Well, Dream
    Theater lean more against their technical skills while Vanden Plas
    have, and forgive me for saying it, stronger melodies than Dream
    Theater. Vanden Plas are also highly technically skilled musicians
    but they never let their instrumental passages take too much space
    in their songs. All in all I think that both the bands are
    outstanding but in two different ways.

    The production is very good too. The highlight are "Inside Of Your
    Head", "Iodic Rain" and "Fields of Hope". The last track is a
    cover of Dokken's "Kiss Of Death".

    Vanden Plas is high above the average progressive metal bands. If
    you're living in France you can buy a special edition of this
    album with a 32-page photo booklet at Virgin Megastores. Go get
    it! Highly recommended.

    -Reviewed by Greger R=F6nnqvist-

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    Vanden Plas Discography
    Colour Temple (1994)
    AcCult (1996) acoustic EP
    The God Thing (1997)

    Band contact:
    Vanden Plas
    Postfach 1518
    66515 Neunkirchen
    Germany

    Vanden Plas Website: http://www.vandenplas.de/
    Vanden Plas e-mail: Vanden.Plas@t-online.de.

    InsideOut Website: http://www.insideout.de/
    Limb Music Website: http://www.limb-music.de/

    For mp3 excerpts check out the sound samples section:
    http://www.vandenplas.de/soundsamples.html

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    Greger R=F6nnqvist
    Email: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se

    Snail Mail: Greger Ronnqvist
                Risselasvagen 66 B
                833 35 Stromsund
                Sweden

    ICQ No: 17275819

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