YTSEJAM Digest 5086
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The veil...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
2) Re: This secrecy....
by JamesAhab@aol.com
3) forfeit the bitch
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
4) Re: forfeit the bitch
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) Re: The veil...
by Lisa Marie Palma <firegirl@FLASHCOM.NET>
6) First single off "Scenes From A Memory": HOME!
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
7) Metallica on Nitro
by Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
8) Re: DT's first single
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: First single off "Scenes From A Memory": HOME!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
10) Re: First single
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
11) It's official (no more hide and seek)
by shams <shams@drik.net>
12) More on MP3's
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5085
by "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@iserve.net>
14) Cassettes vs MP3s
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
15) Veil of Maya-- err, Secrecy
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
16) Blare "Witch Project!"
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
17)
by "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
18) Re: Shut down the Jam!!!
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
19) What to do in Sacramento
by Jax <jax@ytseradio.com>
20) Re: Jap. QR Y2K
by "Toby Guidry" <stranger@cajunnet.com>
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:11:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The veil...
Message-ID: <199909280311.XAA03458@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
> Subject: Re: The veil...
>
> Well, let's put it this way: How much does total secrecy help? The
> Blair Witch project had absolutely NO real previews before it
> premiered, and the only publicity it had was broadcast on the
> Internet.
My point -- ahh... last I looked, ytsejam@torchsong.com is an
_INTERNET_ email list... We already know DT doesn't get very much non
internet promotion, now we are just about killing any internet
promotion!
> Look how much THEY grossed - they made WELL over 1000% profit on
> that movie. THAT'S the kind of anticipation total secrecy can cause
> to something.
Yeah, and look at how much <name some other unpromoted movie> got
because nobody ever heard of it to begin with! You are taking one
single movie to discredit advertising in general. People these days
find out information through _media_ -- be it print, TV, radio, and
these days _internet_ -- and to limit the internet passing of
information (even to those who _KNOW_ that there is a DT CD being
released) is going to hurt, as far as I'm concerned.
When the offical web site doesn't make a _BIG_ deal of a CD release,
other than a popup window stating that we are not discussing it (and
lets face it, how many external geocities windows do you close w/o
ever reading their content) is missing the point of promotion.
Although we might not nesessarily be here to promote DT (I personally
try to play as much DT for people who I know like prog) there are
channels (the offical web site, etc) that should be promoting it, but
are not because of the ban of discussion. I'm just glad that I have a
fairly popular DT site, where I am trying to make a big deal of the
new CD... (at least I managed to show up #3 off of google...)
Secrecy is not something that will help Dream Theater sell CDs, even
to people who know about the band, but don't know that they are
releasing a new CD... Secrecy isn't going to help when some of us
actively discuss upcoming releases with friends (but not fanatics) who
like similar music, but won't necessarily remember that DT is coming
out with a new CD unless they have some concept or idea to help them
remember that the (and be anxious about a) new CD is coming out...
All I;m trying to say is, that while I don't want FII repeated all
over again (notice that I am not actually saying or arguing for
specific discussion about any 1 song or overall feel about the CD) but
some seeds of discussion about track titles implications, CD title,
etc should be planted before the CD is released...
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| There is a river crying | Dream Theater's |
| Living comes much easier | Falling Into Infinity |
| Once we admit We're dying | |
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:31:22 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: This secrecy....
Message-ID: <3cf5282c.2521908a@aol.com>
>< I think WONDER is the key word here. When FII was released, everyone on
this list had access to sound clips, information, etc. There was no period of
wonder the last few days before FII was released. For months, people had
already praised it as DT's best work, or had already torn it to shreds.
Either way, few people were able to listen to FII with a completely open
mind. ><
But people's opinions of any album are going to be based on the quality of
the abum, not the fact that they heard it before it was released. It's like
Images and Words is 7 years old. You know the CD like the back of your hand.
there's no surprises when you listen to it, but you still love it and listen
to it all the time time. At least I do. i think if people are going to like
this new album, its because its a good album. and if they dont like it, its
because it just doesnt appeal to them, not because the surprise was ruined.
Jim
np - carisma: 1825
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:43:14 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: forfeit the bitch
Message-ID: <19990928034314.6654.qmail@hotmail.com>
>And NONE of the information that I have found out about the album >has been
>through my own efforts, except for finding out the album >title when I went
>to preorder it at CDNow.
Other than the title, which you found out "when I went to preorder it at
CDNow," I don't remember seeing any info on the jam which would give you any
idea of what the musical content or lyrical ideas behind the new album might
be....
and since you found out the worst (most spoilative) piece of information for
yourself by going to CDNOW and checking out the DT page there on your OWN
initiative, i think that takes away your right to bitch and moan about
potential spoilers on the jam
the subject for the post you complained about was something like "New DT on
the radio"....what did you think that post was going to be about, the
backstreet boys?
anyway
To Matt Smith: The grungeryche pages are hillarious, but don't you think
you're obsessing a little TOO much? :)
partha
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:07:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: forfeit the bitch
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909280002350.86756-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Partha Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> the subject for the post you complained about was something like "New
> DT on the radio"....what did you think that post was going to be
> about, the backstreet boys?
Oh, for crissake, Partha. I was NOT complaining because the guy wrote
about DT getting played on the radio! But what I WAS saying was that he
could have posted something about DT getting airplay on the radio (even if
it WAS the new album) without posting the damn song title! How hard is
that to understand? If I had KNOWN that it was going to contain a
spoiler, then I wouldn't have read it - and it would have been MY choice
to do so. You're blowing this WAY out of proportion from what the
original meaning behind my post was, and now you're putting words in my
mouth.
All I had said was that (and I don't really care if you DO post spoilers)
if you're GOING to be posting spoilers to the list, then at least let us
know, by putting something in the subject. Is that difficult to get? I
guess the idea of it is lost on all you people who have responded with
flames. If you put the one seven-letter word in the subject (which is
INCREDIBLY easy to do, even if you're a one-fingered dyslexic), then the
people who don't want to read it don't have to, and the people who do,
can. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that there's a ban on info
about the new album. But I'm not even getting into that right now.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
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http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend
that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill
it anyway because I already gave away all of his
stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of
humor.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:08:56 -0700
From: Lisa Marie Palma <firegirl@FLASHCOM.NET>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The veil...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990927210845.02156238@mail.flashcom.net>
At 08:25 PM 09/27/1999 -0700, Michael Burstin wrote:
>
<snip>
>My point -- ahh... last I looked, ytsejam@torchsong.com is an
>_INTERNET_ email list... We already know DT doesn't get very much non
>internet promotion, now we are just about killing any internet
>promotion! =20
<snip>=20
Oh come on now... whether or not the "secrecy" is a good or bad business
decision isn't the issue and you know it.=20
I think it's fair for Andrew, and anyone else who wants to be *completely*
surprised, to be a little miffed that people are posting information
without a spoiler warning. Geeeez... give Andrew a break.
The fact is that it's a common courtesy (and common sense!) to put a
*SPOILER* warning if you're going to give away anything before the cd is
actually released... regardless of any additional rules imposed by Skadz.=20
Like Amanda said, you can find PLENTY of information about the new cd on
the DT newsgroup, so if you *really* want to know, you can't possibly whine
that you're being left in the dark just because of this mailing list.=20
=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8
Lisa Marie Palma
firegirl@flashcom.net
=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:09:13 +0200
From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: First single off "Scenes From A Memory": HOME!
Message-ID: <000101bf096f$9b3c3fa0$0100007f@localhost>
"The first single from Dream Theater's upcoming "Scenes From
A Memory" CD is the track "HOME". It will be available to US
rock radio for impact beginning on Monday October 11th 1999.
If you'd like to hear it, call your local station and DEMAND
it!!!!"
Mark Bredius
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:40:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metallica on Nitro
Message-ID: <19990928054059.9169.rocketmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello everyone,
I know the "Metallica has sold-out" thread is supposed
to be a banned one on this list, but I think it is now
official: Metallica has sold out!
I flipped on WCW Nitro tonight only to hear the
familiar tune of "Seek and Destroy" (a live version,
no less) blasting over the PA while Sting, DDP and Lex
Luger came down to the ring. So now Metallica has
stooped so low as to sell their song to a crappy
wrestling organization like WCW! Then again, if you
follow my logic, Kiss and Megadeth also "sold out."
Well at least "S & D" is better than that "Piledriver"
song by Koko B. Ware! : )
Now back to the bitching about spoilers and the new
album. I think I'd rather read rumors and facts about
the new album than post after post about NOT posting
stuff about the new album. It's really getting
ridiculous. I don't think Mike wanted the 'Jam to turn
into a Bitchfest when he proposed the "veil of
secrecy."
Take care,
Adam Perkowsky
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT's first single
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909280127060.90820-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Mark Bredius wrote:
> The first single from Dream Theater's upcoming "Scenes From A Memory"
> CD is the track "HOME". It will be available to US rock radio for
> impact beginning on Monday October 11th 1999. If you'd like to hear
> it, call your local station and DEMAND it!!!!
>
> Mark Bredius
NOW I have no problem with people talking about it! :) That's all I was
waiting for. Heh.
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http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him,
you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes.
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:48:48 -0400
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: First single off "Scenes From A Memory": HOME!
Message-ID: <37F056C0.399F0FA8@wezl.org>
Oh MY GOD!!! You Ruined EVERYTHING!!!! How could you!!!!! I'm going to
go shoot myself now...since someone has completely spoiled EVERYTHING
for me!!! Oh wait, I've heard the damn thing already...what am I talking
about
Mark Bredius wrote:
>
> "The first single from Dream Theater's upcoming "Scenes From
> A Memory" CD is the track "HOME". It will be available to US
> rock radio for impact beginning on Monday October 11th 1999.
> If you'd like to hear it, call your local station and DEMAND
> it!!!!"
>
> Mark Bredius
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:53:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: First single
Message-ID: <19990928055317.23467.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- Mark Bredius <bredius@quicknet.nl> wrote:
> "The first single from Dream Theater's upcoming
> CD is <<<blah blah>>>. It
> will be available to US rock radio for impact
> beginning on Monday October 11th 1999. If you'd like
> to hear it, call your local station and DEMAND
> it!!!!"
Hm, I guess this lifts the ban on info regarding the
new DT album. I hope this doesn't mean that the band
caved in under pressure from "fans". That would kinda suck.
=====
*Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets to cheesy, it's your own fault."
Me
"There's a lot of people coming up to me and they say 'hey Eddie, remember me from high school?' Hey, man, I've smoked a lot of pot since then. I don't know who the fuck you are."
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:50:54 +0600
From: shams <shams@drik.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: It's official (no more hide and seek)
Message-ID: <37F0654D.3A06EC9B@drik.net>
hi all,
well ...it's official. This is an exerpt from the DT official page.
" Here is some official news from Mike Portnoy:
The first single from Dream Theater's upcoming "Scenes From A Memory" CD is the track
"HOME". It will be available to US rock radio for impact beginning on Monday October 11th
1999. If you'd like to hear it, call your local station and DEMAND it!!!! "
Since I'm like 24000 miles from US, my chances of getting to hear it ......ZERO!! :-(
mybe just maybe someone will put it up as mp3 or somethin' for us poor ones
-Later
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:14:33 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: More on MP3's
Message-ID: <37F06AD9.37CC05F3@isd.net>
Al wrote:
>Analog has the ability to truly capture the original event;
> Digital is simply an interpretation of that event that has to be
> converted to analog before it can be perceived as sound to the
Daniel Bosen wrote:
[No Al, I do agree with your other opinions on this subject, but you
[can't say, a priori, that analog is a more truly caption. Whether it is
[analog, or digital doesn't matter, because both is an approximation of
It DOES matter. Digital CAN NOT produce a true sine wave; Analog can.
Everything is an approximation. Analog, at this time, is FAR more capable
of capturing the original event and reproducing it while retaining all of the
artifacts, including the harmonics. Digital "samples" an analog source and
does a fairly good job of reconstructing the original signal.
[the real world. Its just a matter of the amount of knowledge, money and
[engineering you put into, to get the better interpretation. But I have
[to admit, that the digital field is kind of outdated (but still good
[enough for me).
Digital is outdated? Bullshit! Digital is in it's infancy. Once they figure out
how to reproduce a clean sine wave, digital will take a giant leap forward.
They also need to eliminate any mechanical error, so the days of a spinning
disc are numbered if we are to further advance the digital domain.
The laser needs to go, too.
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Steffen Barabasch wrote:
>And about what Al said about this tape deck: If you like analog
>better than digital, well, I'm not going to further discuss this,
>it's a matter of taste, and it depends on what you want to achieve.
>But spending more than a few bucks for a lousy cassette recorder is
>like tuning a VW bug. Totally pointless. If you want a faster car,
>buy a faster car. If you want better sound than your average tape
>deck, use a different technology.
Dude! If you're going to eavesdrop at least pay attention.
I NEVER claimed cassette was superior to ALL digital media;
I stated: The cassette format in it's finest form is superior to MP3's.
In other words: Bottom of the barrol analog is STILL superior to low-end
digital. The last time I used my cassette deck to record something was
to make a new outgoing tape for my answering machine. :)
These days... I generally use cassettes to record stuff for other people.
Any serious recordings are done at 30 IPS on my Revox A77 Mk IV
reel-to-reel.
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Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>Got a question for you, Al. If I were to make a copy of a CD (onto a
>CD-R), would it make a difference in sound?
In a perfect world, no. If there are no read errors and the burner does a
excellent job of laying the information on the disc surface, the copy should
be identical if the playback unit doesn't have any difficulty reading CD-R's.
This is assuming the entire process stayed in the digital domain.
The best results are usually obtained when all the devices are SCSI, most of
the newer IDE devices do a fairly good job but are no where near as reliable.
The end product is ultimately at the mercy of the error correction protocol of
the D-to-A converter in the playback drive. CD-R's can be a challenge to some
CD players.
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CyberDuke wrote:
>Can you define "consumer grade CD players"?
The cheap, mass marketed "big names" found at electronics super stores.
Pioneer, Technics, JVC, Onkyo, Kenwood, Sony, Sansui, Harmon Kardon,
Optimus, Fisher *cringe*, Yamaha, Sanyo, Magnavox, RCA and so on...
>Or do you mean that the current digital technology is not the best
>possible!
Not in the consumer electronics world. The Hi-end companies are the
ones putting some effort into research and development.
>And actually all this so many times discussed topic "analog vs.
>digital", what is the final line here?
There is none. Only opinions.
>What if I burn a CDR from a 1-st copy CDR, .. and so on? Is this 2-nd
>copy worse than the original (or the 1-st copy)?
Errors, if any, on the first copy will be added to any new errors in
the third generation copy.
>Also, is grabbing the WAV out of the CD already some loss or no?
There are no ".wav" files on a commercial audio CD.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:22:10 -0500
From: "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@iserve.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5085
Message-ID: <37F06CA2.E88C04F4@iserve.net>
I am sick and tired of all the whining and bitching and complaining
about the "veil
of secrecy" and "I don't want to know" people out there. I've been a DT fan
since 1992
and a professional drummer for over 20 years, and at my age, 35, it seems that
we have some babies on board. To put it plain and simple... IF YOU DON'T WANT
TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEW ALBUM, THEN GO BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND OR
BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!!!!!! Nothing
ruins a good chat or a discussion site like this than a few wet blankets.
The new YES album comes out today (Tuesday) and I've heard the title
track and
I like it. A thirty second cut on their website was all I needed . I'm ready to
get it. As for
the new DT release, So what if somebody says its Metropolis Part two. How do
you
know? Why get all up tight and lose your cool over information that may or may
not be true?!! October 26th is several weeks away, for those who have no desire
to learn nothing about the new release....DO NOT READ ANYTHING ON ANY DT
SITE...DO NOT READ ANY MUSIC MAGAZINES...DO NOT LISTEN TO THE RADIO ON ANY ROCK
STATION THAT PLAYS RUSH OR YES BECAUSE THEY MIGHT PLAY DREAM THEATER... DO NOT
DO ANYTHING THAT MAY GIVE AWAY ANY SECRET ABOUT THE NEW RELEASE!!!!!!! Sounds
ludicrous doesn't it?
Last July, the 28th to be exact, day before my birthday, Mike Portnoy
gave a clinic
here in Indianapolis. Before the clinic started, he was playing over the sound
system several cuts from Once in a Livetime! Before it came out!!! I didn't
hear one person complain about him doing that. In fact we wanted him to play
some more. But we heard just enough
to get a buzz going. Drooling for it to come out, to possess it in our grubby
little fingers, to
crank it up a blast it everywhere we go. We had to wait several months for
that. And it was worth it. The hype is needed for DT to sell albums here in
the U.S, a lot of records.
Statistics will show progressive bands don't do as well in the US as they do
overseas; i.e.
Japan prog bands and other bands that fall out of the stadium shows to to
reduced to clubs i.e. Dokken, Quiet Riot, Winger, Ratt, and others. DT is an
American band any they spend the bulk of their time where... OVERSEAS. Why..
cause they headline
over there. They can fill a 10-thousand seat auditorium ALONE. Can they do that
here?
Possible, in New York or LA, but anywhere else. They need help from other
bands. And we need to spread the word around about Dream Theater so on their
25th aniversary they can play all of A Change of Seasons or Metropolis
completely as Rush
play all of the 2112 Suite, six movements. Think about it.
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:32:14 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Cassettes vs MP3s
Message-ID: <37F06EFE.8B365C95@isd.net>
>Man, I guess my info was wrong. I mixed up two things I was taught in my
>recording class, and thus had my ass promptly handed to me by Al. I still
Your welcome. :)
>think tape, as any form of permanent media, is a step backwards. I will
>have to have it proven to me that a cassette can compete with digital in
>terms of frequency response. I don't buy it. Maybe reel can get near, but
Remember, I stated that top-shelf cassette recorders can outperform
MP3's, not all digital formats. *YOU* "longed" for a cassette deck that
"sounded as clear" as an MP3 file. I simply provided a solution.
>no way can you do better than digital on a cassette. You will never
>convince me to go back to rewind, and you will never convince me that it's
>worthwhile to spend big bucks on a tape deck. :)
Cassettes suck. MP3s, at this time, are worse. I will never upgrade my
cassette deck, I don't take the format seriously. For someone that needs
a convenient, inexpensive method of recording music, cassettes are fine.
A GOOD one demands an investment, but the media is cheap.
The recording industry is really pushing digital because it's much easier
to manipulate things in the digital domain. It's all about time and money.
The individual master tracks are almost always analog.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
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Switchcraft Microsystems
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it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Veil of Maya-- err, Secrecy
Message-ID: <199909280748.AA11808@crl.crl.com>
Hiya's.... longtime Jammer, skimming Jams of late due to time
constraints.
I'll toss in my vote regarding the Veil. As someone previously
observed, one of the reasons why it's Cool and Fun to be on the
official DT Mailing List (or at least, it was in the past) is because
of the excellent potential for information dissemination here. All
the advance publicity and commentary about FII psyched me up for the
release. People's opinions differed, sure, but I expected that, and I
trusted myself enough to make up my own mind about it. Seems like a
better solution would have been to welcome discussion -- with Spoiler warnings
-- and warn people who positively, absolutely wanted NO spoilers at all that
they might have been better-off unsubscribing until release day. Not
even the National Midnight Star in its heyday (a realm crisscrossed
with fairly strict rules and guidelines) had such a draconian spoiler
policy.
Someone else observed -- brilliantly -- that after years and years and
years of begging radio stations to play ANY DT, of hungering to see
"our boyz" get -some- crumbs of public recognition for their
outstanding talents, it's astonishing that now, any publicity that
might possibly help the band is shunned.
Regarding promo CDs:
> that is not what promo copies are about. the record label does not
> waste hundreds of dollars printing up promo copies so that the DJs at
> the stations can listen to it ahead of time. promo copies are printed
> so that they will be PLAYED ON THE AIR so that people can hear what the
> new music will sound like and get really excited about buying the new
> cd. the point is to play it on the air, it's not being done without the
> permission of the band.
Or if it is, Mike P. needs to tell us clearly and succinctly.
For time immemorial, promo CDs have carried labels like "When you PLAY
it, SAY it!" and, for copies sent to radio stations, "Add date __/__"
so stations can report adding the single to their playlist for
Billboard and Radio & Records (the two most influential
commercial-radio trade journals). The object is to get the radio
single PLAYED. Exposed. Not buried.
To some, a no-advance-publicity rule implies that the release might be
lacking: when motion-picture companies decline to hold advance
screenings for reviewers, the industry assumes -- usually correctly --
that Someone's Embarassed about their new release. From the scraps
of info about the new DT album I've heard, I doubt this is the case,
but the precedent is there, and for some, perception becomes
reality.
The new single goes to radio on the 4th, right? Can we mention the
song title after that date (I don't know what it is, BTW), or will the
rest of the radio-listening world -- you know, the people we'd really
like to buy Our Favorite Band's CDs -- get to talk about it while we
slumber on?
If I knew the song title, I could email or call my local radio
stations to let them know it's out there. If I'd heard it, I could
even have spoken with some authority about WHY it'd be a cool song to
play (I'm just assuming it is :)). Why, if I knew the title, I could even
call MTV and mention it. --Not that they'd play it, but every call gets
logged for market-survey purposes...... I guess it's okay to let
those people slumber on, too....
On a happier note, I've posted the less-unusual backstage, gig and
apartment photos from my friends' band Godhead's recent visit here, on
tour supporting -- and here, outdrawing -- Christian Death and
Mortiis. (Some Ytsejammers who tune in regularly to Ytseradio have
heard me play these guys, and liked them; they're an excellent
goth/techno/industrial band from Wash/Balt.)
As for the more-unusual photos, well..... I was asked to take those down. :)
last week's: www.crl.com/~vanyel/images/godhead/index.html
Overall history of my time with these cool guys:
www.crl.com/~vanyel/godhead.html.
--Paul "I remember the Pat D. & Al B. Show" Cashman
--Pellaz on irc.dreamt.org #ytsejam
--
Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman
To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com ICQ #4151223
Once I reached for love | www.crl.com/~vanyel
And now I reach for life <-- DT, "Learning to Live"
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:12:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Blare "Witch Project!"
Message-ID: <199909280812.AA12079@crl.crl.com>
Dear god in heaven, two posts from me in a day. :)
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> Well, let's put it this way: How much does total secrecy help? The Blair
> Witch project had absolutely NO real previews before it premiered, and the
> only publicity it had was broadcast on the Internet. Still, the only
> things most people knew about it was some obscure legend about the Blair
> Witch and that it was "supposed" to be a real documentary.
>
> Look how much THEY grossed - they made WELL over 1000% profit on that
> movie. THAT'S the kind of anticipation total secrecy can cause to
> something.
Not hardly. You said it right up there: "the
only publicity it had was broadcast on the Internet." But there was
a LOT of Net-publicity, some by paid "trollers" (see the recent
article in US News for more on that). There was also a
much-ballyhooed cable "documentary" on the Blair Witch to encourage
the belief that it was a true story. This is FAR from "total
secrecy." If it had enjoyed -total- secrecy, no-one would have ever
known about it. :)
Sure, the movie did well. But it dropped off the radar pretty damned
quickly because of all the hype. Friends of mine who went to see it
in the early going thought it was kinda neet. Friends who saw it
after all the hype thought it stank like yesterday's leftover fish.
Sometimes, artificially building up anticipation with a lack of
conventional publicity CAN backfire.
--
Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman
To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com ICQ #4151223
Once I reached for love | www.crl.com/~vanyel
And now I reach for life <-- DT, "Learning to Live"
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:33:04 +0100
From: "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <199909281033040710.000E8D29@mail.iol.it>
go to www.ebay.com and search for "Liquid Tension Experiment"!!!!
I sell a very cool 2 cd live in Philly w/ great artwork and CDs serigraph=
by D.O.C. (Japan).
Very rare item and extra-cool!!!!
Guido Mercati
Guitar Chef
http://auditorium.it.fortunecity.com/strumento/4
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:14:29 -0500
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Shut down the Jam!!!
Message-ID: <37F086F5.3635@earthlink.net>
The Mad Tabber wrote:
> (By the way, in case anyone wonders, I think the restrictions are crazy.
> I think we should be free to discuss things, but can respect DT's
> wishes. But that still begs the questions of why we need the Jam until
> Oct. 26.)
I suppose we need the jam now for the same reason that we needed it in,
for example, February of 1997, when there was nothing particularly
DT-related being posted. I don't need the jam, but I like getting it
every day. No pun intended :) I like the jam because I've made many
friends here in the last 3.5 years. The 'jam isn't a newsgroup or
www.dreamtheater.net, it's a community. Or at least that's the way it
used to be. Damn, that was gay :)
Take care,
Mark Peters
epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:15:31 -0400
From: Jax <jax@ytseradio.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: What to do in Sacramento
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990928061531.0079e750@ytseradio.com>
Jared Rodecker wrote:
>I'm knew to the Davis/Sacramento CA area and I was curious if any
>ytsejammers out there might be able to give me some pointers on places to
>go/things to do in that area and/or the Bay area. Any help would greatly
>appreciated, to be honest, I'm just happy to be out of the midwest finally.
> Thanks.
The Boardwalk in Citrus Heights usually has some good bands playing there,
if you can wade through all the old, has-been bands (when I lived there 3
years ago, Great White played there almost monthly..heh). Also, keep an eye
out for the schedule at Arco Arena, that's where all the big name bands
play. Old Sacramento and the Downtown Plaza can be fun too, there are some
cool bars down there.
Jax, Lady of the Oracle
_________________________________________________________________
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:54:12 -0500
From: "Toby Guidry" <stranger@cajunnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Jap. QR Y2K
Message-ID: <001301bf09a8$2e45df30$13a3fbce@latelco.com>
> markus.tenberge@gmx.de wrote:
> <<QR:
> does anybody know whether there will be a Y2K japanese
> album (I suppose
> yes!) and WHEN it'll be available. >>
hitomi iwai <hit_i@hma.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> I've heard this is gonna be released sometime in Nov
> from East West Japan. I don't know if any bonus track
> would be added on it... [...]
Supposedly, the Japanese bonus track is going to be a live version of Sacred
Ground that was performed at a 1998 event in Seattle. There was a rumored
bonus track on a European release called "'Til There Was You," but no one
has confirmed its existence or lack thereof as of yet.
L8r,
Toby
NP: V.A.S.T.
http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg
"Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here --
here's American Gladiators. Watch this. Shut up. Here's American Gladiators.
Here's fifty-six channels of it.... Here you go, America: you are free...
.. to do as we tell you" - Bill Hicks
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