YTSEJAM Digest 5085
Today's Topics:
1) Q2K, Crimson Glory, Elegy
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
2) Hmmm
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
3) Stop the whining
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
4) So, does AudioCatalyst suck?
by MaxArbot@aol.com
5) People that whine about spoilers...
by DarthMetze@aol.com
6) Shut down the Jam!!!
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5084
by "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
8) Quirky, Quirky...
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
9) I beg to differ....about the radio station...
by "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
10) new DT
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Yawn...
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
by Dreamthea3@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5084
by Dreamthea3@aol.com
14) You ruined my life.
by "Bryan Adams" <Badams@orbit-irrigation.com>
15) Re: Quirky, Quirky...
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Re: You ruined my life.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) My Columbia House order
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
18) test for echo?
by Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
19) If you like Q2K...
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
20) The veil...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
21) Crimson Glory Info!
by MTeiper@aol.com
22) Re: The veil...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
23) Re: Jap. QR Y2K
by "hitomi iwai" <hit_i@hma.att.ne.jp>
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:39:12 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Q2K, Crimson Glory, Elegy
Message-ID: <vines.wSc5+WIwvrA@tcx.tcco.com>
Howdy. I've been away from the list for two years, but work has finally
slowed back down to a manageable load...
I'm sure it's been said, but Q2K is tough to listen to. It sounds like all
the bad parts of Promised Land and Hear put together. The more I listen to
it, the more I hate it. Anyway, I just pre-ordered the new Crimson Glory -
totally psyched about it.
Here are some of the groups I've gotten into over the last 2 years. Please
let me know if there are any others worth checking out: ELEGY (my new favorite
band), TILES, ROYAL HUNT, RHAPSODY, ELDRITCH, EDGUY, DALI'S DILEMNA,
SCUDIERO...
Great to be back!
Chung Ng
Turner Construction Company
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:38:21 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Hmmm
Message-ID: <001401bf091f$dcd13ec0$013ca8c0@madstation>
Man, I guess my info was wrong. I mixed up two things I was taught in my
recording class, and thus had my ass promptly handed to me by Al. I still
think tape, as any form of permanent media, is a step backwards. I will
have to have it proven to me that a cassette can compete with digital in
terms of frequency response. I don't buy it. Maybe reel can get near, but
no way can you do better than digital on a cassette. You will never
convince me to go back to rewind, and you will never convince me that it's
worthwhile to spend big bucks on a tape deck. :)
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:00:23 -0700
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Stop the whining
Message-ID: <37EFCCD7.DA3A1872@ucla.edu>
This "I don't agree with the ban on info" whether it is regarding the
band not getting exposure or some person complaining about being left in
the dark, is really old. So is the complaining about the complaining.
Want info? Go to the DT newsgroups. That's it, get the old newsreaders
out and go to alt.music.dream-theater . If you don't have a newsreader
go to Deja News. You'll find all the spoilers you want. Step 3: shut
up.
~~Amanda
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:10:08 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: So, does AudioCatalyst suck?
Message-ID: <98ad9d7e.25212920@aol.com>
Our friend and audiophile, Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> said:
<<Use a slightly higher bit rate, 160-192kbps usually are sufficient for
virtually original sounding MP3s. And, a LOT more important: Use a better
encoder. Anything with the original Fraunhofer encoder will do. Damn slow,
but SO much better. To all of you who think they can still hear artifacts
even at higher bitrates: Use another encoder,
and be enlightened ;-) >>
So, tell me...is AudioCatalyst a good encoder? Sometimes I get great sound
and other times I get that "sizzle."
[eriC]
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:18:07 EDT
From: DarthMetze@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: People that whine about spoilers...
Message-ID: <f3331083.25212aff@aol.com>
Somebody said...
<<Get a life, will you?
matej>>
Amen.
[eriC]
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:20:26 -0500
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Shut down the Jam!!!
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C774F00@chipola.cc.fl.us>
I agree with an earlier post. Why would you need to spell out the fact
that there is spoiler information with such a subject title?! Isn't is
clear enough that you shouldn't read something like this?
If I posted something with a subject that said "Great New Titles on the
New DT CD," do I really have to put "Spoiler" on that?!
All this stuff is getting pretty ridiculous. I wish Mike or Skadz would
step in and make some comments. HEY GUYS WAKE UP!!! Hey, Skadz, maybe
you could moderate this moderated list?
Well, maybe that sounded a little harsh, but come on Skadz . . . please
make everyone (including me) shut up! To me, if DT is that intent on
keeping everything a secret, then there shouldn't be any postings until
the new album.
NEWS FLASH! --- Hey Skadz, why don't we just shut down the list until
Oct. 26!! Why have a list around if we can't talk about Dream Theater?
Just put it on hold. That way, people with information won't be tempted
to post, and those that don't want to know any info won't get their
panties in a wad when someone does. Well, it makes perfect sense to me
. . but then again, when does the world do anything that makes sense?
Seriously, how many of you would rather it be shut down until Oct. 26?
I would.
Think about it.
Pro-Spoilers -- You have info and can't post it. You want info and
can't get it. Why be ridiculed, insulted, or possibly kicked off the
list? If all you want is info on the new album, suddenly all posts look
very lame. Who cares about MP3's if all you want to know about is the
new album? Wouldn't you rather not worry about the Jam until Oct. 26,
when it is safe to come back out?
Non-spoilers -- You don't have any info, don't want any info, or don't
want to give any info. Why worry about whether any post will contain
"hidden" info on the new album? Why be upset or disappointed to learn
new info on the new album? Wouldn't it be easier to just not have a Jam
until Oct. 26, when info on the album wouldn't matter at all?
I am partly being sarcastic, but partly serious. If Skadz can't help
bring some order and clarification on some things and give freedom on
what to post/not to post (or start kicking people off the list), I think
shutting down the Jam until Oct. 26 is a great idea. Or maybe we should
all stage a mass-exodus and unsubscribe until Oct. 26.
Or maybe someone should do what happened to the Kurzweil (keyboard)
mailing list not long ago. Someone was tired of all the moderation on
the list, so they started a BBS on the web. I like both places. Maybe
we should have a mailing list that walks the West Point way, and a BBS
where people are free to discuss whatever they want related to DT?
The MadTabber
who wishes he were brave enough to become the sacrifice that would end
all this turmoil
(By the way, in case anyone wonders, I think the restrictions are crazy.
I think we should be free to discuss things, but can respect DT's
wishes. But that still begs the questions of why we need the Jam until
Oct. 26.)
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:27:35 -0400
From: "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5084
Message-ID: <199909272029.NAA11611@fugazi.torchsong.com>
>Again: regardless of his enthusiasm, there is a rule invovled here.
>Personally, I don't care whether it was a single song title or it was the
>entire track listing - it's still against the rule.
when in society has anyone ever really followed a rule, come on now, rules
are meant to be broken. personally i think this veil of secrecy is a bunch
of bullshit but im not ranting and raving, the band made a choice to make it
that way, as did the gentleman who posted a song title to the jam. so what,
get over it, move on, life is too short to getpisse doff over something so
stupid.
>Granted, I haven't HEARD the song, and that would REALLY piss me off. If
>a DJ around here played a new song and it came on without my being able to
>shut it off before hearing it (i.e. he started playing it without saying
>what it was first), I would have been royally pissed off.
this has got to be the stupidest thing that i have ever heard, royally
pissed off because of the chance of possibly being ABLE to HEAR a song
before anyone else.
Stan-natS "If that isn't enough to make you dizzy....
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:27:42 EDT
From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Quirky, Quirky...
Message-ID: <19990927202742.54365.qmail@hotmail.com>
My college roomate and I (while I was still in college) were sitting there,
being dorks, using our computers... He was listening to the copy of Esthero
that he burnt off of my CD (keep this in mind.. burned off my CD!) so I
thought I'd be cool and put in my disc, on the same song, and try to sync.
our CDs. Well, once we got them synced pretty close (incidentally, it can
be pretty neat-sounding of they're off just a bit, and you put yourself
halfway between the systems...) and let them play for a bit, they got
further and further out of sync. Either the players were playing at
different speeds, or the CD data was spread out more. Whatever the case may
be... I was surprised to find that out!
What I would like to do is to take two officially pressed CDs and do the
same thing, to see if it is the CD players that do inconsistent playback, or
the burner that doesn't reproduce the CDa exactly, or something else.
Kinda weird, huh? It was something I didn't expect...
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:18:29 -0500
From: "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
To: "ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I beg to differ....about the radio station...
Message-ID: <000701bf092d$d8edbaa0$1d1ee2d8@jeremyku>
Someone wrote:
I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been
played on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but you
should NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough to post
info about the new album (such as you did by posting a song title, for which
you will probably be banned from the list), then for God's sake, put
(SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's the SECOND piece of
spoiler info I've read about because somebody didn't notify me ahead of
time.
***Okay.. I can see someone's point on this, however... the person that
posted the name of the song on the jam I think was in the right.. my
justification is simply because DT and their management were the ones that
released the song. So, I think that it is public domain. I think the a
silly little thing like the title of the song is not a big deal. I can live
with that. However, if the guy posted a full track listing; I'd be pissed.
I don't think that its a big deal, and I also don't think that it's a
"breakage" of the Veil. Just my opinion. Later, J
Jeremy Kube
Oklahoma State University
Fire Protection and Safety Engineering Technology Major
inflammabl@aol.com
kube@fullnet.net
"Sex is Death, Death is Sex. It says it right here on my crucifix!"
Dream Theater.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:51:16 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: new DT
Message-ID: <37EFAE94.BA5E2CFE@mol.com.mk>
Geezus, this really turned into ridiculous thing! I mean, it's not fun
anymore, it became sooo bigger item than it was supposed to.
OK, what about this? 26-nd comes and some 30 jammers get it the same
day! And all of them thrilled and overjoyed sit down and write TONS or
praise mails to the jam!
Can we agree for THOSE jammers to include SPOILERS tag in the subject,
EVEN if the post is on 27-th, 28-th October?
I mean, some folks will get the CD let's say a week later from 26-th! Or
2 weeks. Or 2 days later. Are they guilty for that?
And on the end this is just going to show how some are not meant to get
all the thrill the way they should. :(
Just wanted to say this to some of the complaining jack asses. And
actually they'll be the first to beat the topic to death on the day
itself. On the other hand why would they care, huh.
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________________"What do you think about it?" "Shocking!" "Yeah, but do you think it was funny?" "Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
The 2 balcony fossils, "The Muppet Show" ________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:04:20 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Yawn... Message-ID: <v04210109b415906131c2@[192.168.1.1]>
>well you are not that damned fickle. As for the rest of you, don't just >grow up, dammit just GROW!
Well, then leave those alone who are bravely waiting till release date and don't spoil it for them. If you want to spead news like that do it somewhere where the rules allow it.
This discussion is getting really old now.
What Mike intended was to avoid any discussions about the album before it was actually released. Remember the time when FII was released? You can blame me, if you like, I myself participated in the heated discussions about how Kevin Shirley ruined everything and stuff ;-) This time Mike wants us to approach the album without knowing everything beforehand. This does not mean that the label isn't allowed to send promos to magazines or radio stations, of course they have to care for album sales. But at least we fan clubs/sites/lists should do our best to keep the first listening experience as fresh as possible. That's all folks.
Odd coincidence of the day:
>The mind is as a parachute, it must be allowed to fully open in order to >fully function, lest ye relish the fall.
..and a few posts earlier:
>FOR SALE: One parachute, used but unopened. One >small stain. Going VERY cheap.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:18:33 EDT From: Dreamthea3@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083 Message-ID: <81aa869d.25214739@aol.com>
stop sending those dumb digest things please
tony
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:21:18 EDT From: Dreamthea3@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5084 Message-ID: <81aa869e.252147de@aol.com>
stop sending these damn things
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:55:14 -0600 From: "Bryan Adams" <Badams@orbit-irrigation.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: You ruined my life. Message-ID: <s7efa192.076@orbit-irrigation.com>
If I have to read about one more person having their new album experience = "ruined" by almost catching a riff off a prog. 'net station, or somebody = flying off the handle because he/she heard the name of a song, I'm going = to spit. Get a grip people. Yeah, that album will neat. If you're so = worried about any information making your experience less orgasmic, go = lock yourself in the basement, unplug everything & come out next month. = For crying out loud.
.Bryan..
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Quirky, Quirky... Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.9909271938580.22316-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Jeff Storck wrote:
> What I would like to do is to take two officially pressed CDs and do the > same thing, to see if it is the CD players that do inconsistent playback, or > the burner that doesn't reproduce the CDa exactly, or something else. >
I tried to do the same thing with two officially pressed CDs while tailgating before a concert once. Lo and behold, they were in sync for about 10 seconds, and then gradually went out of sync. This threw me for a loop as well.....
Anyone got explanations for this?
-Al
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: You ruined my life. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271945120.62939-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Bryan Adams wrote:
> If I have to read about one more person having their new album > experience = "ruined" by almost catching a riff off a prog. 'net > station, or somebody = flying off the handle because he/she heard the > name of a song, I'm going = to spit. Get a grip people. Yeah, that > album will neat. If you're so = worried about any information making > your experience less orgasmic, go = lock yourself in the basement, > unplug everything & come out next month. = For crying out loud.
Or here's a better idea: How about you just don't post spoiler information to the jam? I think that would make all parties happy - and at the least cost to anybody, as well.
It really isn't a hard request to follow. You just have to get off your high horse and swallow that pride and accept the fact that some people don't want to be bothered with information that, according to the rules, shouldn't be posted.
And again, I'm going to reiterate something that I heard Mark say: There's no rule saying we can't DISCUSS the new album - what we think may be on it or what we'd like to SEE on it. The rule simply states that no information regarding the new album should be posted, whether it be factual or rumorous. I, for one, just don't talk about the new album, because what spoilers I've seen has already somewhat ruined (yes, ruined) my concept of it; it's already given me hints as to what's on it and even as to what kinds of music might be on it. And NONE of the information that I have found out about the album has been through my own efforts, except for finding out the album title when I went to preorder it at CDNow.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:58:31 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: My Columbia House order Message-ID: <000701bf0944$342aa7a0$c883cbcf@mattspc>
Well i finally recieved my Columbia House intial 15 cds.
This is what i got: Rush - Chronicles, 2112, Hemespheres Vai - Flexable Leftovers VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater Dire Straits - Dire Straits Ozzy - The Ozzman Cometh Iced Earth - SWTWC Tesla - TMC Best of Tesla Slayer - Seasons In The Abyss (wish i wouldn't have gotten rid of this to begin with) FW - Parallels Therion - Symphony Masses
I also order Nevermore, and Chris Issak's Heart Shaped (i love "Wicked Games"). Heart Shaped was out of stock so they sent me a free cupon to get another free cd or wait until the original is back in stock. OK, Fine so Far. Well, instead of sending me Nevermore i got..................... Fabulous Ballroom Dancing!!!!
What the hell?? I remembered someone poster a month or so ago about getting a christian cd with his order (i'm not dissing Christian music, i'm just refreshing everyone's memory). Where did they get this from? I can understand if they have very similar id numbers, like one or two digits off. But if not, i wonder where they got this selection from. Does the above music seem to suggest i might like Ballroom Dancing music? Or is Columbia House trying to broaden everyone's horizons by sending totally different music along with every order. Would i have gotten Iced Earth if i would have order all Country music?? Anyway, i called up thier support line and the lady was really nice. She said they would send Nevermore out tomorrow and send me a return slip for FBD. I was happy that they didn't want me to return FBD before i got Nevermore. I just hope i don't get Garth Brooks Greatest Hits, instead?
indii np-slayer - seasons in the abyss!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:20:19 -0500 From: Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: test for echo? Message-ID: <4.1.19990926171725.0091f4f0@yellow.ucdavis.edu>
I'm knew to the Davis/Sacramento CA area and I was curious if any ytsejammers out there might be able to give me some pointers on places to go/things to do in that area and/or the Bay area. Any help would greatly appreciated, to be honest, I'm just happy to be out of the midwest finally. Thanks.
Jared Rodecker jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: If you like Q2K... Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9909272013200.150870-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
.or if you hate it, you need to visit the official GRUNGERYCHE homepage.
If you have any opinions whatsoever concerning GRUNGERYCHE and their music, you need to visit the official GRUNGERYCHE homepage.
Or, if you simply want to learn more about the genre of REGRESSIVE METAL, you need to visit the official GRUNGERYCHE homepage.
SACRED GRUNGE: WHERE THE SQUARES FIT THE ROUND http://www.geocities.com/grungeryche
**************************************************************************** | Matt Smith | ------------->|ktulu@arches.uga.edu|<------------- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "It's always been in my head to create giant pieces of music." -James Hetfield ****************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The veil... Message-ID: <199909280028.UAA03234@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:33:20 -0400 > From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu> > > Oh jeez...give me a fuckin break. You think the album is going to > less great an experience for you if you know the title of one of the > songs?? The man was psyched about hearing new DT on the radio and I > don't blame him at all for posting that information. Yes, he > probably should have put spoiler in the title because of our new > ridiculous rule around here. But how does that spoil the album for > you? do you think it makes the music any less great? Do you think > this guy really deserves your ridiculous flame for posting his > excitement about a new dream theater song to the DT mailing list?
Thank you, and come on, the name he posted was a damn 4 letter noun title. How in the hell is that possible going to spoil the CD for you? Hmm.. ya know, I think that there are some other nouns in the titles of songs... is someone going to request that I be banned for posting that information? Give me a fucking break, and grow up.
I've been around here for quite some time, and this is the most anal I've seen some people here. Yeah, I can understand the desire for "secrecy" after seeing what happened for FII but come on...
> ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:32:55 -0500 > From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> > Subject: The Veil.... > > Ok so this Veil of Secrecy (which I believe is not off topic), > anyone else think it's marketing suicide...? I agree, it will be > great for us 1200 or so jammers who will be complete virgins on > 10/26 sitting down and studying the cover over and over while > listening to the music, but Christ on a bike - you shouldn't be > shunning radio air play. I can't see the label being too pleased, I > can imagine the phone conversation now - "We let you do anything you > want on this new album, yet you won't even let us send a picture of > the cover to CDNOW...?" I hope it's all worth it...!
I agree completly... yes, there are those of us here on the list who might be "impressed" with hearing the CD for the first time w/o knowing anythign about it, but you know something -- last I looked, DT needed people to buy their CDs... Yes, the record company lets them get away with alot, b/c of their strong fan base, but I think that they really need to get some info out to the people who DON'T KNOW THAT DREAM THEATER IS EVEN COMING OUT WITH A NEW CD!!! And believe me, knowing the set list (which I do) of the CD makes me more interested in buying the CD...
> ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083 > > Granted, I haven't HEARD the song, and that would REALLY piss me > off. If a DJ around here played a new song and it came on without > my being able to shut it off before hearing it (i.e. he started > playing it without saying what it was first), I would have been
Well, I recommend against listening to any radio station that has ever played (or potentially will play) DT. I know most radio stations don't announce a song title right before the track plays, and possibly not after it either... besides, what happens if you tune in in the middle of the song?
> ------------------------------ > > From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> > Subject: Re: The Veil.... > > > Actually from what I've gathered (I work in a music store) most > non-Ytsejammer DT fans already know damn near everything about the > album...so I wouldn't really consider it marketing suicide...I think > it will actually help build it up a bit in the long run.
Yet again, being able to read an old-timer for some sanity here... Hell, I've heard the whole CD (from several streaming audio sites), and I am even more anxious for it to be released...
> ------------------------------ > > From: "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com> > Subject: This secrecy.... > > Like movie previews, it whets my appetite, and makes me crave the > final product more, not be disappointed when I experience it in > full. I have always loved most the period right before a new album > release when everyone used to discuss it, and wonder, and get > pysched! All of that is missing now, and I don't like it. If > surprise is the intention, I personally don't need total ignorance > when I get the album to be blown away; pre-release information > strengthens my enjoyment, it doesn't dilute it. This is only how I > feel, I know a great many people see it differently, but I'm sure > there must be others who agree with me. I know this silence is the > band's wish, and I respect that, but I must also respectfully > disagree.
I don't think you are the only one... I personally can't wait to start some discussions about even the song titles... I just don't have an open forum to discuss it in...
BTW, for anyone who _wants_ some info about the new CD, I do have a _link_ to the a.m.d-t article off of my webpage out on Deja.com...
-- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | In the stream of consciousness | Lines In The Sand, taken from | | There is a river crying | Dream Theater's | | Living comes much easier | Falling Into Infinity | | Once we admit We're dying | | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:37:52 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Crimson Glory Info! Message-ID: <a874eeaf.252175f0@aol.com>
Hey Jammers -
]From time to time, a request has popped up on the Jam for any shred of Crimson Glory info that anyone might have. In fact, I think that I've been the requester on a couple of occasions. Well for those who are unaware, I am pleased to report that their long-awaited and much-rumored "Astronomica" album is out!! At least, it is in Europe because I am playing the Euro import as I type this. I think that it is on the way very soon in both Japan and the USA.
And, the band FINALLY has an official website on the web: www.crimsonglory.com (It's about time! For the longest time, the only web info I could find on the band was one very outdated fan site.) Check out the website for the scoop on the bonus tracks found on the various versions world-wide. I have the one with the 3 live tracks - good stuff!
And I am proud to report that the band is back to their roots... the new album is great! It's similar in style to their legendary first 2 albums (and thankfully nothing like the horrible "Strange and Beautiful")! I think I still like both their self titled and "Transcendence" better than the new one, but not by a whole lot. The new one's bound to get better with repeated listens.
And the lineup is, well, almost back - Drenning, Lords, and Jackson are reunited again. Dr. Killdrums (!) formerly of Savatage is on the kit, while Midnight has been replaced on vocals by a guy named Wade Black. At first listen, the new dude sounds like a much more ballsy Midnight - kind of a cross between Ripper Owens of Priest and Eric Adams of the mighty Manowar.
Oh, and there's a very interesting title on the album considering their vocalist change: "The Other Side Of Midnight". :-) Interestingly, on that song (one of the better on the album, BTW), they even do a new take on the end of "Lost Reflection", complete with the laughter and the "Who's there?" and "You're not me!" ramblings. Can't tell if it's a slap at Midnight or a tribute... or neither. It's a concept album after all, and it kind of fits the theme.
All in all, check this album out if you get the chance. CG fans will most likely be pleased with the result. The Glory Is Back!!!
Laterz.... Matt T.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The veil... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909272207070.78240-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Michael Burstin wrote:
> > From: "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com> > > Subject: This secrecy.... > > > > Like movie previews, it whets my appetite, and makes me crave the > > final product more, not be disappointed when I experience it in > > full. I have always loved most the period right before a new album > > release when everyone used to discuss it, and wonder, and get > > pysched! All of that is missing now, and I don't like it. If > > surprise is the intention, I personally don't need total ignorance > > when I get the album to be blown away; pre-release information > > strengthens my enjoyment, it doesn't dilute it. This is only how I > > feel, I know a great many people see it differently, but I'm sure > > there must be others who agree with me. I know this silence is the > > band's wish, and I respect that, but I must also respectfully > > disagree. > > I don't think you are the only one... I personally can't wait to > start some discussions about even the song titles... I just don't > have an open forum to discuss it in...
Well, let's put it this way: How much does total secrecy help? The Blair Witch project had absolutely NO real previews before it premiered, and the only publicity it had was broadcast on the Internet. Still, the only things most people knew about it was some obscure legend about the Blair Witch and that it was "supposed" to be a real documentary.
Look how much THEY grossed - they made WELL over 1000% profit on that movie. THAT'S the kind of anticipation total secrecy can cause to something.
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:59:15 +0900 From: "hitomi iwai" <hit_i@hma.att.ne.jp> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jap. QR Y2K Message-ID: <002c01bf0955$6372c7c0$1bca4ca5@toshiba-user>
markus.tenberge@gmx.de wrote:
<<QR: does anybody know whether there will be a Y2K japanese album (I suppose yes!) and WHEN it'll be available. >>
I've heard this is gonna be released sometime in Nov from East West Japan. I don't know if any bonus track would be added on it... Perhaps that's what EWJ want them to do so because its US version is already imported from the States and selling here. Did you visit the Official 'Ryche web site? I've never checked this site more than a month;). Hopefully this info is available, or you will find it on there soon......
Hitomi +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://y7.net/u/otpage.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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