YTSEJAM Digest 5084
Today's Topics:
1) Warning for new album on internet radio stations (NO SPOILERS)
by "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
2) RE: DT Radio Single
by "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@mattymo.com>
3) Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
by Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu>
5) ripping a CD
by Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee>
6) Free Q2K stickers NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) Back with new address
by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
8) MP3/CD Burning Question
by Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
10) The Veil....
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Getting banned for giving away a song name, You gotta be kidding!
by "James R. McKenzie" <jimmckenzie@earthlink.net>
14) Mitfahrgelegenheit gesucht
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
15) Re: New DT released to radio
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
16) Re: The Veil....
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
17) Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
by savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
20) This secrecy....
by "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com>
21) Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
22) Apologizes, ect...
by Scarred2112@aol.com
23) Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
24) hello, Mr. Big
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
25) Re: This secrecy....
by savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
26) Re: New DT released to radio
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:14:09 MET-2DST
From: "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Warning for new album on internet radio stations (NO SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <41DE2258FB@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Hi,
since a lot of you don't want to listen to the new album:
I just tuned in on Progged (a progressive internet radio station,
www.listen.to/progged) and they played a song of the new album,
Fortunately the song just ended so I didn't hear too much. However,
on their request page you can select several tracks of the new album.
Also on www.listen.to/halleysprogrock several songs are listed
So if you don't want to hear anything of the new album: don't tune in
on these stations.
Of course, If you do want to hear the songs: tune in and request
them or just have a look at the (partial ?) playlist.
Patrick
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 03:28:59 -0500
From: "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@mattymo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: DT Radio Single
Message-ID: <001701bf08c2$5970b720$7442fea9@mattymo>
Alrighty... outta lurk mode here! (first post since June!)
]From what I know, a humble Metal Radio show host. The single gets "added"
to Metal Radio on Oct. 4th (possibly the week after), which means radio
stations will get the radio friendly so we can squeeze more commericals in 4
or 5 minute edit of the ___ minute song this week. I would also guess that
Rock radio (your local rockin' station) will want to put it in rotation next
to their Godsmack and Rob Zombie songs. (hopefully)
And it has to be okay with the band because, well, it's okay that the Label
releases the album right? Right.
~matt
P.S. The new Crimson Glory is pretty cool. :-)
MattyMo mattymo@mattymo.com
www.mattymo.com www.mattymo.com/moshpit
AIM: MattyMo Yahoo Messenger: mattymodotcom ICQ: 1952320
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:59:51 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <37EF3207.E0DE44C7@siol.net>
>I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been played
>on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but you should
>NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough to post info
>about the new album (such as you did by posting a song title, for which
>you will probably be banned from the list), then for God's sake, put
>(SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's the SECOND piece of
>spoiler info I've read about because somebody didn't notify me ahead of
>time.
>
>God DAMN, this album is slowly getting to be less and less of a mystery to
>me.
Oh poor you.. I'm sure it totally spoiled the new album for you,
you won't be able to listen it because of the disappointment.
And you know the title too.. oh maaaaaaannn. The mistery is gone
and so is the thrill. I feel for you man, I really do. What's next?
Suicide? Makes sense.. I mean.. the new album is totally ruined for
you. *Sigh* Life sucks...
Get a life, will you?
matej
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:00:02 -0500
From: Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990927065943.008ec6c0@cdr.wisc.edu>
>From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>Ptacek said:
>> Got a question for you, Al. If I were to make a copy of a CD
>> (onto a CD-R), would it make a difference in sound?
>
>Yeah, yeah, this I wonder for longer period! Really, is there loss and
>how much loss in this kind of copying???
>
>What if I burn a CDR from a 1-st copy CDR, .. and so on? Is this 2-nd
>copy worse than the original (or the 1-st copy)?
>Also, is grabbing the WAV out of the CD already some loss or no?
>
No, No, None, No, and No. It's a digital transfer. Depite what some
people may tell you, no bits are lost. It's the same process used with
CD-ROM's, and believe me if bits were being lost your CD-ROM programs would
not run. Converting to a WAV will not make a difference (as long as it's a
16 bit, 44 kHz, stereo wave file) as that's basically the native form of
music on a cd. Multiple copies make no difference as each should be an
exact replica. About the only difference you'll run into is that some cd
players won't play CDR's.
Biz
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:00:22 +0300 (EEST)
From: Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ripping a CD
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909271448190.12439-100000@pillemati.cafe.ee>
]From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>> Got a question for you, Al. If I were to make a copy of a CD
>> (onto a CD-R), would it make a difference in sound?
> Yeah, yeah, this I wonder for longer period! Really, is there
> loss and how much loss in this kind of copying???
There shouldn't be any loss in the extraction process, unless the disc is
badly scratched. However, if the CD burner's clock is inaccurate, the
burner may (and usually will) space the bits on the disc unevenly. People
claim that "a bit is still a bit", which is true, but what makes the
difference there is WHEN the bit is read and interpreted. High end
CD-players can compensate the inaccuracies by tweaking the motor speed and
influencing the voltage. Low end and mid-range players don't do that and
so you get audio that is slightly different (and in many cases, audibly
different) from what you'd expect.
The fun thing is that you can rip the product of the cheap CD burner into
WAV again and probably get a better sounding CD if you write the WAV files
to audio once again, with a good (Plextor, Teac, expensive Yamaha) SCSI CD
writer. The grabber simply reads the bits and doesn't care when they
happen on the source media. :-)
Basically I am telling you what Al has been telling people all along:
don't sell yourself cheap. :-)
Raitz,
just finished King's (as Bachman) The
Running Man and wanders off to Dirk Gently
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:04:52 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Free Q2K stickers NDTC
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4E4B@ms.kallback.com>
I have about 10 postcard sized Q2K stickers.
If you want one, send SASE to:
Trevor Hoit
14700 NE 29th Pl. #224
Bellevue, WA 98007
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:26:04 +0200
From: "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Back with new address
Message-ID: <C23163F98473D311874C0008C7E621070F827B@daemsg02.software-ag.de>
Hi all
unfortunately, work has dominated my life for the last
4 weeks or so, and the promised reviews (Tiamat and
others) have still to be written, but nil desperandum -
they will be appearing soon. Things here have now
reverted to almost "normal" (whatever that may be) and
I should have time to bash off contributions at regular
intervals.
The more observant among you may also have noticed that
I now have a new address - the old one still works but
will be taken down in a few weeks.
Sometime last year we had a tattoo thread, and somebody
(I forget who - this happens when you reach my age) asked for a scan of the
sharks I have on my arm. If you
are still interested, I've now got a digital camera at
my disposal, and can send you the picture. Let me know.
Dream Theater content: I'm looking forward to the new
album, regardless of what it's called.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com)
Currently playing: Ulver - Themes From William Blake's
The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:25:37 -0400
From: Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3/CD Burning Question
Message-ID: <37EF7051.E88CB080@videotron.ca>
Hi Guys!
I don't know if this has been addressed before and if so, I missed it
so I would appreciate any help.
I've got some pretty cool MP3s off of the LiTS web page (Thanks bogie!)
and I would now like to make myself an audio CD out of them. Is there
any program out there that will transfer MP3's directly to AUDIO CD
without having to translate them into WAV files first. Another criteria
is that the program should be able to eliminate any gap between files
exactly like the "Disc at once" option of Easy CD Creator.
Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to shell out too much cash for this
so freeware or shareware is what i'm looking for but I would appreciate
ANY clue you could give me.
Reply by way of private E-Mail if you feel this info is not of public
ytsejam interest.
Thanks for any info that comes my way,
Steve Godbout
godbouts@videotron.ca
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:33:20 -0400
From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
Message-ID: <37EF7220.14C9A094@mail.rochester.edu>
> I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been played
> on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but you should
> NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough to post info
> about the new album (such as you did by posting a song title, for which
> you will probably be banned from the list), then for God's sake, put
> (SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's the SECOND piece of
> spoiler info I've read about because somebody didn't notify me ahead of
> time.
>
> God DAMN, this album is slowly getting to be less and less of a mystery to
> me.
Oh jeez...give me a fuckin break. You think the album is going to less
great an experience for you if you know the title of one of the songs??
The man was psyched about hearing new DT on the radio and I don't blame
him at all for posting that information. Yes, he probably should have
put spoiler in the title because of our new ridiculous rule around here.
But how does that spoil the album for you? do you think it makes the
music any less great? Do you think this guy really deserves your
ridiculous flame for posting his excitement about a new dream theater
song to the DT mailing list?
Listen, I've been on this list for almost 5 years and I know that
posting this could get me booted off but I don't really care. When a DT
fan hears an awesome new DT song he/she deserves an outlet to share
their excitement and enthusiasm. Instead, they receive a boot from the
mailing list. I'm not saying that everybody should post full reviews of
the album before it comes out and before everybody else has heard
it...but to kick a guy for being enthusiastic about hearing new DT and
posting a SONG TITLE??? That's absurd.
Adam
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:32:55 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: The Veil....
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CB48@bham-xchg>
Guys,
Ok so this Veil of Secrecy (which I believe is not off topic),
anyone else think it's marketing suicide...? I agree, it will be great for
us 1200 or so jammers who will be complete virgins on 10/26 sitting down and
studying the cover over and over while listening to the music, but Christ on
a bike - you shouldn't be shunning radio air play. I can't see the label
being too pleased, I can imagine the phone conversation now - "We let you do
anything you want on this new album, yet you won't even let us send a
picture of the cover to CDNOW...?" I hope it's all worth it...!
On to other matters - I bought my wife Alanis Morrisettes (sp?) new
cd for her birthday, and finally got round to listening to it last night. I
really liked her last effort but I must say that this one kicked my arse all
around the room. It restores my faith in western society when an artist
with this much talent is so popular with the masses. Great stuff (I wonder
if she ever shunned radio time...?).
Laters,
Dave (a UK jammer - still in Alabama).
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271006540.75337-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Adam Cook wrote:
> Oh jeez...give me a fuckin break. You think the album is going to less
> great an experience for you if you know the title of one of the songs??
> The man was psyched about hearing new DT on the radio and I don't blame
> him at all for posting that information. Yes, he probably should have
> put spoiler in the title because of our new ridiculous rule around here.
> But how does that spoil the album for you? do you think it makes the
> music any less great? Do you think this guy really deserves your
> ridiculous flame for posting his excitement about a new dream theater
> song to the DT mailing list?
Okay, what I'm upset with is not that he posted that the new DT got played
on the radio. I think that's fuckin' awesome - but what he shouldn't have
done was post the title! That's all I was pissed off about - if there had
been a "(SPOILER)" or something in the subject then I would have skipped
it and there wouldn't have been a problem. I'm not even that angry at
having read the title of a song. But whether I DO read the name of the
song should be MY choice and not his. It's just proper nettiquette to let
us know that there's a spoiler involved so that we have the choice of
skipping over the posting.
> Listen, I've been on this list for almost 5 years and I know that
> posting this could get me booted off but I don't really care. When a DT
> fan hears an awesome new DT song he/she deserves an outlet to share
> their excitement and enthusiasm. Instead, they receive a boot from the
> mailing list. I'm not saying that everybody should post full reviews of
> the album before it comes out and before everybody else has heard
> it...but to kick a guy for being enthusiastic about hearing new DT and
> posting a SONG TITLE??? That's absurd.
Again: regardless of his enthusiasm, there is a rule invovled here.
Personally, I don't care whether it was a single song title or it was the
entire track listing - it's still against the rule.
Granted, I haven't HEARD the song, and that would REALLY piss me off. If
a DJ around here played a new song and it came on without my being able to
shut it off before hearing it (i.e. he started playing it without saying
what it was first), I would have been royally pissed off. All I'm asking
is that if you have the balls to post a message with a spoiler in it and
break the rules, you at least let us know ahead of time.
Besides, it was almsot 4 AM when I was reading that and I was exhausted.
I probably overreacted, and I apologize for that. But it still doesn't
change the fact.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If
someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can
do is take out your money, and piss on it while
mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get
scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll
have to wash your money."
- Norman Calkin, on urban survival
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271013050.75337-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Steve Godbout wrote:
> I've got some pretty cool MP3s off of the LiTS web page (Thanks
> bogie!) and I would now like to make myself an audio CD out of them.
> Is there any program out there that will transfer MP3's directly to
> AUDIO CD without having to translate them into WAV files first.
> Another criteria is that the program should be able to eliminate any
> gap between files exactly like the "Disc at once" option of Easy CD
> Creator.
The only problem with this is that even with MP3s that are from a show,
usually there is a tiny bit of zero-value data at the beginning of an MP3,
so even if you did manage to burn these files with a disc-at-once option,
it would still have tiny little gaps that, nonetheless, would be audible.
I just suggest extracting these files to WAV and then editing out the
little gaps - I also usually even do a little mixing or crossfading
between tracks (we're talking milliseconds' worth, though) to make sure
there are no gaps between them.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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FOR SALE: One parachute, used but unopened. One
small stain. Going VERY cheap.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:44:09 -0400
From: "James R. McKenzie" <jimmckenzie@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Getting banned for giving away a song name, You gotta be kidding!
Message-ID: <002d01bf08f6$c3187440$2ceefbd0@celeron333a>
That's H.U.T.A.S. (head-up-the-ass-syndrome) if ever there was a case. Come
on people, rent a life, if you like keep it, if not bitch on your own time.
If someone discovers a previously unknown painting by Rembrandt and lets it
slip in a press release that the main hue is dark green would that ruin the
painting for you? Would you refuse to go see it? SKADZ, I know bleedin'
well you are not that damned fickle. As for the rest of you, don't just
grow up, dammit just GROW!
The mind is as a parachute, it must be allowed to fully open in order to
fully function, lest ye relish the fall.
A flaming coniptions will be treated with a well tuned DELETE key finger.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:39:07 +0200
From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mitfahrgelegenheit gesucht
Message-ID: <m11Vcrr-0005ERC@fwd08.btx.dtag.de>
Ytsejammers from Germany, listen up:
Hallo,
Ich hei)Bße Alex und bin seit knapp drei Jahren DT-Fan, hatte aber leider noch nie
die M)Böglichkeit meine Lieblingsgruppe live zu erleben. Jetzt bietet sich mir im
November die M)Böglichkeit... und ich komme nicht hin. Ich wohne in der Nähe von
Wiesbaden (Rhein-Main Gebiet) und suche dringend eine Mitfahrgelegenheit zu einem
der Konzerte. Da ich erst 16 bin kann ich leider nicht selber fahren. Es w)Bäre
wirklich klasse, wenn sich jemand hier in der N)Bähe finden würde, der mich
mitnehmen k)Bönnte, natürlich mit Fahrtkostenbeteiligung.
Oder E-Mailt mich, wenn ihr irgendwelche Tipps f)Bür mich habt.
Danke
Alex
* Every breath takes me one less to my last * PULL ME UNDER (Dream Theater)
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:02:42 -0400
From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: New DT released to radio
Message-ID: <199909271202.AA105644322@pressroom.com>
>I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been
>played on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but
>you should NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough
>to post info about the new album (such as you did by posting a song
>title, for which you will probably be banned from the list), then for
>God's sake, put (SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's
>the SECOND piece of spoiler info I've read about because somebody
>didn't notify me ahead of time.
Umm.. The subject of the message was 'New DT released to radio' Wasn't that warning enough? Sorry, don't have much sympathy for you. With a title like that, I would avoid it because of potential spoilers, if I was doing that. (I'm not.)
Jason Birzer
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:33:12 -0400
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The Veil....
Message-ID: <37EF9C48.18AF010C@wezl.org>
Actually from what I've gathered (I work in a music store) most
non-Ytsejammer DT fans already know damn near everything about the
album...so I wouldn't really consider it marketing suicide...I think it
will actually help build it up a bit in the long run. The only suicide
aspect is the immature conflict the whole thing has caused here...people
need to grow up, if you read something you didin't want to know about,
get over it...life DOES go on, the album will STILL be released, and I'm
sure it will kick just as much ass then as any other DT
album...regardless of when you hear it. If anything this whole veil
thing has helped spawn some seriously needed USEFUL conversation here on
the jam (Guitar tuning tips, MP3/CD-R tips, Bootleg trades, news about
other good bands). For the first time in probably 2 years I've actually
taken interest in what's been going on here...so I think it's safe to
say the veil is a good thing.
Dave Ware wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Ok so this Veil of Secrecy (which I believe is not off topic),
> anyone else think it's marketing suicide...? I agree, it will be great for
> us 1200 or so jammers who will be complete virgins on 10/26 sitting down and
> studying the cover over and over while listening to the music, but Christ on
> a bike - you shouldn't be shunning radio air play. I can't see the label
> being too pleased, I can imagine the phone conversation now - "We let you do
> anything you want on this new album, yet you won't even let us send a
> picture of the cover to CDNOW...?" I hope it's all worth it...!
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:30:14 -0400
From: savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990927122652.00a285d0@email.psu.edu>
At 06:42 AM 9/27/99, you wrote:
>Is there
>any program out there that will transfer MP3's directly to AUDIO CD
>without having to translate them into WAV files first. Another criteria
>is that the program should be able to eliminate any gap between files
>exactly like the "Disc at once" option of Easy CD Creator.
Actually, the newest version of Easy CD Creator does this. Version
4.0. If you set up the program to burn an audio CD, you can drag and drop
the mp3 file directly into the CD layout. I have the program, but haven't
used this function yet, so I don't know how the finished product sounds.
Chris
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:38:02 -0400
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
Message-ID: <37EF9D6A.F6DE8207@wezl.org>
Just a quick $.02 for years we (the Jam) bitch and whine about eMpTyV
and radio not playing enough DT...we shit ourselves when we hear a
little phrase played in a Marines commercial...and now we're gonna get
pissy if the radio starts playing a single from a non-released album
(something they've ALWAYS done) in regular rotation??? I believe it was
the wise Paul Stanley who said "If you're lucky enough to get what you
wanted in life...Shut up!"
No flames intended, just being observant. I'm shutting up now
Andrew Countermarsh said:
> Granted, I haven't HEARD the song, and that would REALLY piss me off. If
> a DJ around here played a new song and it came on without my being able to
> shut it off before hearing it (i.e. he started playing it without saying
> what it was first), I would have been royally pissed off. All I'm asking
> is that if you have the balls to post a message with a spoiler in it and
> break the rules, you at least let us know ahead of time.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:48:10 EDT
From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
Message-ID: <19990927164810.17599.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
>Just because an album gets airtime on a radio station does NOT mean that
>the band has OK'd it. A DJ can play an unreleased album without the
>permission of the band - because that's what promo copies are about, so
>that DJs and the like can hear them.
>
>But regardless of whether or not DT has OK'd playing the album on the
>radio (which I seriously doubt), the rule simply said "no information or
>even rumors about the new album until the release date - October 26th."
>This means that even if there IS something done on the radio, for GOD'S
>SAKE, don't talk about it here! The only way I'd feel that talking about
>the album's contents was okay was if Mike himself sent a message to us
>saying, "Okay, guys, you've been waiting long enough" or something and let
>us in on info himself.
>
>Until then, regardless of what happened in real life, on the 'jam we still
>aren't allowed to talk about it. He could have just told us that a DJ
>played a song from the new album and he loved it. How hard is that to do?
>He didn't HAVE to tell us the title of the song.
>
>Disclaimer: I am not flaming here - everything I have said has some kind
>of factual basis and/or common sensual basis. Take everything I said at
>face value.
I think Ferris said it best, when he said, "Cameron could stick a piece of
coal up his ass, and if you took it out two weeks later you would have a
diamond." Assuming I got the quote right... close enough anyways.
All this talk of banning users and what-not. All this energy wasted over,
what I would consider, a whole lot of "nothing". Posting the name of the
album, or the name of a song, really doesn't give anything away to me. I
have read the spoilers, even the tracklist, and I still know nothing about
the album or how it will sound.
Sure sure, you can bring up that point, "Skadz said NO INFO POSTED." That's
fine, and that rule should be followed. But some of you guys are getting
REALLY uptight about this. I must say, I'm very amused!
Wouldn't the world be a better place, if we were all hippies, or something.
I mean, we'd never get anything accomplished in life -- we'd sit around and
sing songs and play accoustic guitar, and smoke bones all day ... But is an
underachiever's life so bad? :)
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:10:03 EDT
From: "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: This secrecy....
Message-ID: <19990927171004.71466.qmail@hotmail.com>
I can't agree with this ban on information regarding the new album. The
almost immediate access to new information that exists on this list was one
of the reasons I originally joined so many years ago. To take that away
seems to defeat one of the purposes for my being here. I am able to "NOT
DISCUSS" the album without being on the list, and anybody can just pick up
the album on release date knowing nothing about it before hand. Knowing
selected info about a new album intensifies my expectation of the real
thing, and my first time listening experience has never been spoiled by
prior knowledge. Like movie previews, it whets my appetite, and makes me
crave the final product more, not be disappointed when I experience it in
full. I have always loved most the period right before a new album release
when everyone used to discuss it, and wonder, and get pysched! All of that
is missing now, and I don't like it. If surprise is the intention, I
personally don't need total ignorance when I get the album to be blown away;
pre-release information strengthens my enjoyment, it doesn't dilute it. This
is only how I feel, I know a great many people see it differently, but I'm
sure there must be others who agree with me. I know this silence is the
band's wish, and I respect that, but I must also respectfully disagree.
Eric Marlett
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.9909271325420.4165-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
> Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
>
>
> The only problem with this is that even with MP3s that are from a show,
> usually there is a tiny bit of zero-value data at the beginning of an MP3,
> so even if you did manage to burn these files with a disc-at-once option,
> it would still have tiny little gaps that, nonetheless, would be audible.
thats not the only problem, though. even if you take a cd track and mp3
it, then later decompress it and burn it to a new cd, there will still be
gaps, because the mp3 encoding changes the length slightly. i dont
remember exactly what the fraction was, but if the wav file doesnt
end exactly at a multiple of something like 1/74 of a second, there will
be a small gap due to the sector size and stuff like that. it's in the
cd-r faq somewhere. so what i want to find is a program taht will trim a
wav file to the nearest 1/74 second... you notice 1/74 sec of silence, but
i doubt you would notice 1/74 second of music MISSING from the end of a
track. does anyone know if such a program exists?
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:35:18 EDT
From: Scarred2112@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Apologizes, ect...
Message-ID: <1e660add.252104d6@aol.com>
First things first...
Yes, I was wrong in not putting a spoiler warning in the subject of my last
post. I apologize to any and all 'jammers that were offended in learning the
title of a song on the new album. Chalk that one up to "Ohmygod-I
just-heard-a-new-DT-song" syndrome. Excitement got the best of me, and I
didn't think of the consequences of my post. I do not, however, believe that
the post should have been censored under the "Vale of Secrecy." As I
understand it, the "Vale" was put into place to prevent the spread of false
and misleading information regarding the new album. I don't see how
legitimate news regarding the release of the album to radio can fall under
that category. I do, however, bow to the higher wishes of the collective
ytsejam, and will not discuss any further until the release date. Again, my
apologizes.
*scarred*
[They Closed Wolf's Deli? - JP]
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:40:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.9909271335120.4165-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
> Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
>
> Just because an album gets airtime on a radio station does NOT mean that
> the band has OK'd it. A DJ can play an unreleased album without the
> permission of the band - because that's what promo copies are about, so
> that DJs and the like can hear them.
that is not what promo copies are about. the record label does not
waste hundreds of dollars printing up promo copies so that the DJs at
the stations can listen to it ahead of time. promo copies are printed
so that they will be PLAYED ON THE AIR so that people can hear what the
new music will sound like and get really excited about buying the new
cd. the point is to play it on the air, it's not being done without the
permission of the band.
> the album's contents was okay was if Mike himself sent a message to us
> saying, "Okay, guys, you've been waiting long enough" or something and let
> us in on info himself.
i assume sending the cd to radio stations to play on the air and show
people the new music isn't sign enough that the band is letting a little
info out? (damn its gonna suck if it turns out that the label DID make
them release one and they still want it under wraps :) moo.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:13:38 CEST
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: hello, Mr. Big
Message-ID: <19990927181339.42654.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi there,
how come nobody has told me or mentioned that Mr. Big has a new album out
with Richie Kotzen on guitar, called 'Get over it'.
Later,
s.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:31:00 -0400
From: savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: This secrecy....
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990927141942.00a27e80@email.psu.edu>
At 10:17 AM 9/27/99, you wrote:
>I have always loved most the period right before a new album release
>when everyone used to discuss it, and wonder, and get pysched! All of that
I think WONDER is the key word here. When FII was released, everyone on
this list had access to sound clips, information, etc. There was no period
of wonder the last few days before FII was released. For months, people
had already praised it as DT's best work, or had already torn it to
shreds. Either way, few people were able to listen to FII with a
completely open mind. When I went down to pick up the new CD that
Monday/Tuesday at midnight, I already knew what the cover looked like, I
already knew the track listing, and I had already heard samples of the
songs. That's not to say that the whole experience was ruined for me, but
there was that element of surprise, of WONDER, that was missing. I think
that is the whole point of the secrecy...
Just my two cents.
Chris
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:17:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: New DT released to radio
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271513310.27332-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Jason Birzer wrote:
> >I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been
> >played on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but
> >you should NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough
> >to post info about the new album (such as you did by posting a song
> >title, for which you will probably be banned from the list), then for
> >God's sake, put (SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's
> >the SECOND piece of spoiler info I've read about because somebody
> >didn't notify me ahead of time.
>
> Umm.. The subject of the message was 'New DT released to radio'
> Wasn't that warning enough? Sorry, don't have much sympathy for you.
> With a title like that, I would avoid it because of potential
> spoilers, if I was doing that. (I'm not.)
Maybe I just have a little too much faith in my fellow men to think that
they might blatantly make it obvious that there's a spoiler involved.
Saying "New DT played on the radio" could be as simple as saying, "Hey, I
was listening to this metal show on Friday night and the DJ played a song
off the new DT album." If you're going to post anything like a song
title, etc. then all you have to do is warn us.
I shouldn't have to flip through my email with bomb squad gear on to make
sure that I don't accidentally read something I shouldn't. It's not that
hard to put a little spoiler warning in a subject header. You're acting
like I'M the one who did something wrong here. I was just reprimanding
for posting a spoiler without a warning. It's not even the act of posting
a spoiler that bothers me - it's that I didn't have a chance to skip over
it because of a lack of proper warning.
And I've said this before, so I'll finish up now.
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