YTSEJAM digest 5084

From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Date: Mon Sep 27 1999 - 15:26:27 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Warning for new album on internet radio stations (NO SPOILERS)
     by "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
      2) RE: DT Radio Single
     by "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@mattymo.com>
      3) Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
     by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
     by Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu>
      5) ripping a CD
     by Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee>
      6) Free Q2K stickers NDTC
     by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
      7) Back with new address
     by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
      8) MP3/CD Burning Question
     by Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
     by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
     10) The Veil....
     by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
     by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
     12) Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
     by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
     13) Getting banned for giving away a song name, You gotta be kidding!
     by "James R. McKenzie" <jimmckenzie@earthlink.net>
     14) Mitfahrgelegenheit gesucht
     by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
     15) Re: New DT released to radio
     by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
     16) Re: The Veil....
     by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
     17) Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
     by savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
     18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
     by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
     19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
     by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
     20) This secrecy....
     by "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com>
     21) Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
     by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
     22) Apologizes, ect...
     by Scarred2112@aol.com
     23) Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
     by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
     24) hello, Mr. Big
     by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
     25) Re: This secrecy....
     by savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
     26) Re: New DT released to radio
     by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:14:09 MET-2DST
    From: "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Warning for new album on internet radio stations (NO SPOILERS)
    Message-ID: <41DE2258FB@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>

    Hi,

    since a lot of you don't want to listen to the new album:

    I just tuned in on Progged (a progressive internet radio station,
    www.listen.to/progged) and they played a song of the new album,
    Fortunately the song just ended so I didn't hear too much. However,
    on their request page you can select several tracks of the new album.
    Also on www.listen.to/halleysprogrock several songs are listed

    So if you don't want to hear anything of the new album: don't tune in
    on these stations.

    Of course, If you do want to hear the songs: tune in and request
    them or just have a look at the (partial ?) playlist.

    Patrick

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 03:28:59 -0500
    From: "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@mattymo.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: RE: DT Radio Single
    Message-ID: <001701bf08c2$5970b720$7442fea9@mattymo>

    Alrighty... outta lurk mode here! (first post since June!)

    ]From what I know, a humble Metal Radio show host. The single gets "added"
    to Metal Radio on Oct. 4th (possibly the week after), which means radio
    stations will get the radio friendly so we can squeeze more commericals in 4
    or 5 minute edit of the ___ minute song this week. I would also guess that
    Rock radio (your local rockin' station) will want to put it in rotation next
    to their Godsmack and Rob Zombie songs. (hopefully)

    And it has to be okay with the band because, well, it's okay that the Label
    releases the album right? Right.

    ~matt

    P.S. The new Crimson Glory is pretty cool. :-)

    MattyMo mattymo@mattymo.com
    www.mattymo.com www.mattymo.com/moshpit
    AIM: MattyMo Yahoo Messenger: mattymodotcom ICQ: 1952320

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:59:51 +0200
    From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
    Message-ID: <37EF3207.E0DE44C7@siol.net>

    >I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been played
    >on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but you should
    >NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough to post info
    >about the new album (such as you did by posting a song title, for which
    >you will probably be banned from the list), then for God's sake, put
    >(SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's the SECOND piece of
    >spoiler info I've read about because somebody didn't notify me ahead of
    >time.
    >
    >God DAMN, this album is slowly getting to be less and less of a mystery to
    >me.

    Oh poor you.. I'm sure it totally spoiled the new album for you,
    you won't be able to listen it because of the disappointment.
    And you know the title too.. oh maaaaaaannn. The mistery is gone
    and so is the thrill. I feel for you man, I really do. What's next?
    Suicide? Makes sense.. I mean.. the new album is totally ruined for
    you. *Sigh* Life sucks...

    Get a life, will you?

    matej

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:00:02 -0500
    From: Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990927065943.008ec6c0@cdr.wisc.edu>

    >From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>

    >Ptacek said:
    >> Got a question for you, Al. If I were to make a copy of a CD
    >> (onto a CD-R), would it make a difference in sound?
    >
    >Yeah, yeah, this I wonder for longer period! Really, is there loss and
    >how much loss in this kind of copying???
    >
    >What if I burn a CDR from a 1-st copy CDR, .. and so on? Is this 2-nd
    >copy worse than the original (or the 1-st copy)?
    >Also, is grabbing the WAV out of the CD already some loss or no?
    >

    No, No, None, No, and No. It's a digital transfer. Depite what some
    people may tell you, no bits are lost. It's the same process used with
    CD-ROM's, and believe me if bits were being lost your CD-ROM programs would
    not run. Converting to a WAV will not make a difference (as long as it's a
    16 bit, 44 kHz, stereo wave file) as that's basically the native form of
    music on a cd. Multiple copies make no difference as each should be an
    exact replica. About the only difference you'll run into is that some cd
    players won't play CDR's.

    Biz

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:00:22 +0300 (EEST)
    From: Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: ripping a CD
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909271448190.12439-100000@pillemati.cafe.ee>

    ]From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>

    >> Got a question for you, Al. If I were to make a copy of a CD
    >> (onto a CD-R), would it make a difference in sound?

    > Yeah, yeah, this I wonder for longer period! Really, is there
    > loss and how much loss in this kind of copying???

    There shouldn't be any loss in the extraction process, unless the disc is
    badly scratched. However, if the CD burner's clock is inaccurate, the
    burner may (and usually will) space the bits on the disc unevenly. People
    claim that "a bit is still a bit", which is true, but what makes the
    difference there is WHEN the bit is read and interpreted. High end
    CD-players can compensate the inaccuracies by tweaking the motor speed and
    influencing the voltage. Low end and mid-range players don't do that and
    so you get audio that is slightly different (and in many cases, audibly
    different) from what you'd expect.

    The fun thing is that you can rip the product of the cheap CD burner into
    WAV again and probably get a better sounding CD if you write the WAV files
    to audio once again, with a good (Plextor, Teac, expensive Yamaha) SCSI CD
    writer. The grabber simply reads the bits and doesn't care when they
    happen on the source media. :-)

    Basically I am telling you what Al has been telling people all along:
    don't sell yourself cheap. :-)

    Raitz,
    just finished King's (as Bachman) The
    Running Man and wanders off to Dirk Gently

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:04:52 -0700
    From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
    To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Free Q2K stickers NDTC
    Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4E4B@ms.kallback.com>

    I have about 10 postcard sized Q2K stickers.
    If you want one, send SASE to:
    Trevor Hoit
    14700 NE 29th Pl. #224
    Bellevue, WA 98007

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:26:04 +0200
    From: "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Back with new address
    Message-ID: <C23163F98473D311874C0008C7E621070F827B@daemsg02.software-ag.de>

    Hi all

    unfortunately, work has dominated my life for the last
    4 weeks or so, and the promised reviews (Tiamat and
    others) have still to be written, but nil desperandum -
    they will be appearing soon. Things here have now
    reverted to almost "normal" (whatever that may be) and
    I should have time to bash off contributions at regular
    intervals.

    The more observant among you may also have noticed that
    I now have a new address - the old one still works but
    will be taken down in a few weeks.

    Sometime last year we had a tattoo thread, and somebody
    (I forget who - this happens when you reach my age) asked for a scan of the
    sharks I have on my arm. If you
    are still interested, I've now got a digital camera at
    my disposal, and can send you the picture. Let me know.

    Dream Theater content: I'm looking forward to the new
    album, regardless of what it's called.

    stay safe and happy listening
    Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com)
    Currently playing: Ulver - Themes From William Blake's
                       The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:25:37 -0400
    From: Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
    To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: MP3/CD Burning Question
    Message-ID: <37EF7051.E88CB080@videotron.ca>

    Hi Guys!

            I don't know if this has been addressed before and if so, I missed it
    so I would appreciate any help.

            I've got some pretty cool MP3s off of the LiTS web page (Thanks bogie!)
    and I would now like to make myself an audio CD out of them. Is there
    any program out there that will transfer MP3's directly to AUDIO CD
    without having to translate them into WAV files first. Another criteria
    is that the program should be able to eliminate any gap between files
    exactly like the "Disc at once" option of Easy CD Creator.

            Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to shell out too much cash for this
    so freeware or shareware is what i'm looking for but I would appreciate
    ANY clue you could give me.

            Reply by way of private E-Mail if you feel this info is not of public
    ytsejam interest.

    Thanks for any info that comes my way,
    Steve Godbout
    godbouts@videotron.ca

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:33:20 -0400
    From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
    Message-ID: <37EF7220.14C9A094@mail.rochester.edu>

    > I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been played
    > on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but you should
    > NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough to post info
    > about the new album (such as you did by posting a song title, for which
    > you will probably be banned from the list), then for God's sake, put
    > (SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's the SECOND piece of
    > spoiler info I've read about because somebody didn't notify me ahead of
    > time.
    >
    > God DAMN, this album is slowly getting to be less and less of a mystery to
    > me.

    Oh jeez...give me a fuckin break. You think the album is going to less
    great an experience for you if you know the title of one of the songs??
    The man was psyched about hearing new DT on the radio and I don't blame
    him at all for posting that information. Yes, he probably should have
    put spoiler in the title because of our new ridiculous rule around here.
    But how does that spoil the album for you? do you think it makes the
    music any less great? Do you think this guy really deserves your
    ridiculous flame for posting his excitement about a new dream theater
    song to the DT mailing list?

    Listen, I've been on this list for almost 5 years and I know that
    posting this could get me booted off but I don't really care. When a DT
    fan hears an awesome new DT song he/she deserves an outlet to share
    their excitement and enthusiasm. Instead, they receive a boot from the
    mailing list. I'm not saying that everybody should post full reviews of
    the album before it comes out and before everybody else has heard
    it...but to kick a guy for being enthusiastic about hearing new DT and
    posting a SONG TITLE??? That's absurd.

    Adam

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:32:55 -0500
    From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: The Veil....
    Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CB48@bham-xchg>

    Guys,

            Ok so this Veil of Secrecy (which I believe is not off topic),
    anyone else think it's marketing suicide...? I agree, it will be great for
    us 1200 or so jammers who will be complete virgins on 10/26 sitting down and
    studying the cover over and over while listening to the music, but Christ on
    a bike - you shouldn't be shunning radio air play. I can't see the label
    being too pleased, I can imagine the phone conversation now - "We let you do
    anything you want on this new album, yet you won't even let us send a
    picture of the cover to CDNOW...?" I hope it's all worth it...!

            On to other matters - I bought my wife Alanis Morrisettes (sp?) new
    cd for her birthday, and finally got round to listening to it last night. I
    really liked her last effort but I must say that this one kicked my arse all
    around the room. It restores my faith in western society when an artist
    with this much talent is so popular with the masses. Great stuff (I wonder
    if she ever shunned radio time...?).

            Laters,

                    Dave (a UK jammer - still in Alabama).

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271006540.75337-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

    On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Adam Cook wrote:

    > Oh jeez...give me a fuckin break. You think the album is going to less
    > great an experience for you if you know the title of one of the songs??
    > The man was psyched about hearing new DT on the radio and I don't blame
    > him at all for posting that information. Yes, he probably should have
    > put spoiler in the title because of our new ridiculous rule around here.
    > But how does that spoil the album for you? do you think it makes the
    > music any less great? Do you think this guy really deserves your
    > ridiculous flame for posting his excitement about a new dream theater
    > song to the DT mailing list?

    Okay, what I'm upset with is not that he posted that the new DT got played
    on the radio. I think that's fuckin' awesome - but what he shouldn't have
    done was post the title! That's all I was pissed off about - if there had
    been a "(SPOILER)" or something in the subject then I would have skipped
    it and there wouldn't have been a problem. I'm not even that angry at
    having read the title of a song. But whether I DO read the name of the
    song should be MY choice and not his. It's just proper nettiquette to let
    us know that there's a spoiler involved so that we have the choice of
    skipping over the posting.

    > Listen, I've been on this list for almost 5 years and I know that
    > posting this could get me booted off but I don't really care. When a DT
    > fan hears an awesome new DT song he/she deserves an outlet to share
    > their excitement and enthusiasm. Instead, they receive a boot from the
    > mailing list. I'm not saying that everybody should post full reviews of
    > the album before it comes out and before everybody else has heard
    > it...but to kick a guy for being enthusiastic about hearing new DT and
    > posting a SONG TITLE??? That's absurd.

    Again: regardless of his enthusiasm, there is a rule invovled here.
    Personally, I don't care whether it was a single song title or it was the
    entire track listing - it's still against the rule.

    Granted, I haven't HEARD the song, and that would REALLY piss me off. If
    a DJ around here played a new song and it came on without my being able to
    shut it off before hearing it (i.e. he started playing it without saying
    what it was first), I would have been royally pissed off. All I'm asking
    is that if you have the balls to post a message with a spoiler in it and
    break the rules, you at least let us know ahead of time.

    Besides, it was almsot 4 AM when I was reading that and I was exhausted.
    I probably overreacted, and I apologize for that. But it still doesn't
    change the fact.

    -------------------------------------------------
    Andrew Coutermarsh
    a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
    http://cout.dhs.org/
    Cloak on IRC
    ICQ: 2513441
    -------------------------------------------------
    "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If
    someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can
    do is take out your money, and piss on it while
    mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get
    scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll
    have to wash your money."
      - Norman Calkin, on urban survival
    -------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271013050.75337-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

    On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Steve Godbout wrote:

    > I've got some pretty cool MP3s off of the LiTS web page (Thanks
    > bogie!) and I would now like to make myself an audio CD out of them.
    > Is there any program out there that will transfer MP3's directly to
    > AUDIO CD without having to translate them into WAV files first.
    > Another criteria is that the program should be able to eliminate any
    > gap between files exactly like the "Disc at once" option of Easy CD
    > Creator.

    The only problem with this is that even with MP3s that are from a show,
    usually there is a tiny bit of zero-value data at the beginning of an MP3,
    so even if you did manage to burn these files with a disc-at-once option,
    it would still have tiny little gaps that, nonetheless, would be audible.
    I just suggest extracting these files to WAV and then editing out the
    little gaps - I also usually even do a little mixing or crossfading
    between tracks (we're talking milliseconds' worth, though) to make sure
    there are no gaps between them.

    -------------------------------------------------
    Andrew Coutermarsh
    a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
    http://cout.dhs.org/
    Cloak on IRC
    ICQ: 2513441
    -------------------------------------------------
    FOR SALE: One parachute, used but unopened. One
    small stain. Going VERY cheap.
    -------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:44:09 -0400
    From: "James R. McKenzie" <jimmckenzie@earthlink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Getting banned for giving away a song name, You gotta be kidding!
    Message-ID: <002d01bf08f6$c3187440$2ceefbd0@celeron333a>

    That's H.U.T.A.S. (head-up-the-ass-syndrome) if ever there was a case. Come
    on people, rent a life, if you like keep it, if not bitch on your own time.
    If someone discovers a previously unknown painting by Rembrandt and lets it
    slip in a press release that the main hue is dark green would that ruin the
    painting for you? Would you refuse to go see it? SKADZ, I know bleedin'
    well you are not that damned fickle. As for the rest of you, don't just
    grow up, dammit just GROW!

    The mind is as a parachute, it must be allowed to fully open in order to
    fully function, lest ye relish the fall.

    A flaming coniptions will be treated with a well tuned DELETE key finger.

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:39:07 +0200
    From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Mitfahrgelegenheit gesucht
    Message-ID: <m11Vcrr-0005ERC@fwd08.btx.dtag.de>

    Ytsejammers from Germany, listen up:

    Hallo,

    Ich hei)Bße Alex und bin seit knapp drei Jahren DT-Fan, hatte aber leider noch nie
    die M)Böglichkeit meine Lieblingsgruppe live zu erleben. Jetzt bietet sich mir im
    November die M)Böglichkeit... und ich komme nicht hin. Ich wohne in der Nähe von
    Wiesbaden (Rhein-Main Gebiet) und suche dringend eine Mitfahrgelegenheit zu einem
    der Konzerte. Da ich erst 16 bin kann ich leider nicht selber fahren. Es w)Bäre
    wirklich klasse, wenn sich jemand hier in der N)Bähe finden würde, der mich
    mitnehmen k)Bönnte, natürlich mit Fahrtkostenbeteiligung.
    Oder E-Mailt mich, wenn ihr irgendwelche Tipps f)Bür mich habt.

    Danke

    Alex

    * Every breath takes me one less to my last * PULL ME UNDER (Dream Theater)

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:02:42 -0400
    From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: New DT released to radio
    Message-ID: <199909271202.AA105644322@pressroom.com>

    >I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been
    >played on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but
    >you should NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough
    >to post info about the new album (such as you did by posting a song
    >title, for which you will probably be banned from the list), then for
    >God's sake, put (SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's
    >the SECOND piece of spoiler info I've read about because somebody
    >didn't notify me ahead of time.

    Umm.. The subject of the message was 'New DT released to radio' Wasn't that warning enough? Sorry, don't have much sympathy for you. With a title like that, I would avoid it because of potential spoilers, if I was doing that. (I'm not.)

    Jason Birzer

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:33:12 -0400
    From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: The Veil....
    Message-ID: <37EF9C48.18AF010C@wezl.org>

    Actually from what I've gathered (I work in a music store) most
    non-Ytsejammer DT fans already know damn near everything about the
    album...so I wouldn't really consider it marketing suicide...I think it
    will actually help build it up a bit in the long run. The only suicide
    aspect is the immature conflict the whole thing has caused here...people
    need to grow up, if you read something you didin't want to know about,
    get over it...life DOES go on, the album will STILL be released, and I'm
    sure it will kick just as much ass then as any other DT
    album...regardless of when you hear it. If anything this whole veil
    thing has helped spawn some seriously needed USEFUL conversation here on
    the jam (Guitar tuning tips, MP3/CD-R tips, Bootleg trades, news about
    other good bands). For the first time in probably 2 years I've actually
    taken interest in what's been going on here...so I think it's safe to
    say the veil is a good thing.

    Dave Ware wrote:
    >
    > Guys,
    >
    > Ok so this Veil of Secrecy (which I believe is not off topic),
    > anyone else think it's marketing suicide...? I agree, it will be great for
    > us 1200 or so jammers who will be complete virgins on 10/26 sitting down and
    > studying the cover over and over while listening to the music, but Christ on
    > a bike - you shouldn't be shunning radio air play. I can't see the label
    > being too pleased, I can imagine the phone conversation now - "We let you do
    > anything you want on this new album, yet you won't even let us send a
    > picture of the cover to CDNOW...?" I hope it's all worth it...!

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:30:14 -0400
    From: savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
    Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990927122652.00a285d0@email.psu.edu>

    At 06:42 AM 9/27/99, you wrote:

    >Is there
    >any program out there that will transfer MP3's directly to AUDIO CD
    >without having to translate them into WAV files first. Another criteria
    >is that the program should be able to eliminate any gap between files
    >exactly like the "Disc at once" option of Easy CD Creator.

    Actually, the newest version of Easy CD Creator does this. Version
    4.0. If you set up the program to burn an audio CD, you can drag and drop
    the mp3 file directly into the CD layout. I have the program, but haven't
    used this function yet, so I don't know how the finished product sounds.

    Chris

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:38:02 -0400
    From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
    Message-ID: <37EF9D6A.F6DE8207@wezl.org>

    Just a quick $.02 for years we (the Jam) bitch and whine about eMpTyV
    and radio not playing enough DT...we shit ourselves when we hear a
    little phrase played in a Marines commercial...and now we're gonna get
    pissy if the radio starts playing a single from a non-released album
    (something they've ALWAYS done) in regular rotation??? I believe it was
    the wise Paul Stanley who said "If you're lucky enough to get what you
    wanted in life...Shut up!"

    No flames intended, just being observant. I'm shutting up now

    Andrew Countermarsh said:

    > Granted, I haven't HEARD the song, and that would REALLY piss me off. If
    > a DJ around here played a new song and it came on without my being able to
    > shut it off before hearing it (i.e. he started playing it without saying
    > what it was first), I would have been royally pissed off. All I'm asking
    > is that if you have the balls to post a message with a spoiler in it and
    > break the rules, you at least let us know ahead of time.

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:48:10 EDT
    From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5083
    Message-ID: <19990927164810.17599.qmail@hotmail.com>

    >From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>

    >Just because an album gets airtime on a radio station does NOT mean that
    >the band has OK'd it. A DJ can play an unreleased album without the
    >permission of the band - because that's what promo copies are about, so
    >that DJs and the like can hear them.
    >
    >But regardless of whether or not DT has OK'd playing the album on the
    >radio (which I seriously doubt), the rule simply said "no information or
    >even rumors about the new album until the release date - October 26th."
    >This means that even if there IS something done on the radio, for GOD'S
    >SAKE, don't talk about it here! The only way I'd feel that talking about
    >the album's contents was okay was if Mike himself sent a message to us
    >saying, "Okay, guys, you've been waiting long enough" or something and let
    >us in on info himself.
    >
    >Until then, regardless of what happened in real life, on the 'jam we still
    >aren't allowed to talk about it. He could have just told us that a DJ
    >played a song from the new album and he loved it. How hard is that to do?
    >He didn't HAVE to tell us the title of the song.
    >
    >Disclaimer: I am not flaming here - everything I have said has some kind
    >of factual basis and/or common sensual basis. Take everything I said at
    >face value.

    I think Ferris said it best, when he said, "Cameron could stick a piece of
    coal up his ass, and if you took it out two weeks later you would have a
    diamond." Assuming I got the quote right... close enough anyways.

    All this talk of banning users and what-not. All this energy wasted over,
    what I would consider, a whole lot of "nothing". Posting the name of the
    album, or the name of a song, really doesn't give anything away to me. I
    have read the spoilers, even the tracklist, and I still know nothing about
    the album or how it will sound.

    Sure sure, you can bring up that point, "Skadz said NO INFO POSTED." That's
    fine, and that rule should be followed. But some of you guys are getting
    REALLY uptight about this. I must say, I'm very amused!

    Wouldn't the world be a better place, if we were all hippies, or something.
    I mean, we'd never get anything accomplished in life -- we'd sit around and
    sing songs and play accoustic guitar, and smoke bones all day ... But is an
    underachiever's life so bad? :)

    Jeff

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:10:03 EDT
    From: "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: This secrecy....
    Message-ID: <19990927171004.71466.qmail@hotmail.com>

    I can't agree with this ban on information regarding the new album. The
    almost immediate access to new information that exists on this list was one
    of the reasons I originally joined so many years ago. To take that away
    seems to defeat one of the purposes for my being here. I am able to "NOT
    DISCUSS" the album without being on the list, and anybody can just pick up
    the album on release date knowing nothing about it before hand. Knowing
    selected info about a new album intensifies my expectation of the real
    thing, and my first time listening experience has never been spoiled by
    prior knowledge. Like movie previews, it whets my appetite, and makes me
    crave the final product more, not be disappointed when I experience it in
    full. I have always loved most the period right before a new album release
    when everyone used to discuss it, and wonder, and get pysched! All of that
    is missing now, and I don't like it. If surprise is the intention, I
    personally don't need total ignorance when I get the album to be blown away;
    pre-release information strengthens my enjoyment, it doesn't dilute it. This
    is only how I feel, I know a great many people see it differently, but I'm
    sure there must be others who agree with me. I know this silence is the
    band's wish, and I respect that, but I must also respectfully disagree.

    Eric Marlett

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT)
    From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.9909271325420.4165-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>

    > From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    > Subject: Re: MP3/CD Burning Question
    >
    >
    > The only problem with this is that even with MP3s that are from a show,
    > usually there is a tiny bit of zero-value data at the beginning of an MP3,
    > so even if you did manage to burn these files with a disc-at-once option,
    > it would still have tiny little gaps that, nonetheless, would be audible.

    thats not the only problem, though. even if you take a cd track and mp3
    it, then later decompress it and burn it to a new cd, there will still be
    gaps, because the mp3 encoding changes the length slightly. i dont
    remember exactly what the fraction was, but if the wav file doesnt
    end exactly at a multiple of something like 1/74 of a second, there will
    be a small gap due to the sector size and stuff like that. it's in the
    cd-r faq somewhere. so what i want to find is a program taht will trim a
    wav file to the nearest 1/74 second... you notice 1/74 sec of silence, but
    i doubt you would notice 1/74 second of music MISSING from the end of a
    track. does anyone know if such a program exists?

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:35:18 EDT
    From: Scarred2112@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Apologizes, ect...
    Message-ID: <1e660add.252104d6@aol.com>

    First things first...
    Yes, I was wrong in not putting a spoiler warning in the subject of my last
    post. I apologize to any and all 'jammers that were offended in learning the
    title of a song on the new album. Chalk that one up to "Ohmygod-I
    just-heard-a-new-DT-song" syndrome. Excitement got the best of me, and I
    didn't think of the consequences of my post. I do not, however, believe that
    the post should have been censored under the "Vale of Secrecy." As I
    understand it, the "Vale" was put into place to prevent the spread of false
    and misleading information regarding the new album. I don't see how
    legitimate news regarding the release of the album to radio can fall under
    that category. I do, however, bow to the higher wishes of the collective
    ytsejam, and will not discuss any further until the release date. Again, my
    apologizes.
    *scarred*

    [They Closed Wolf's Deli? - JP]

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:40:08 -0400 (EDT)
    From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.9909271335120.4165-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>

    > From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    > Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
    >
    > Just because an album gets airtime on a radio station does NOT mean that
    > the band has OK'd it. A DJ can play an unreleased album without the
    > permission of the band - because that's what promo copies are about, so
    > that DJs and the like can hear them.

    that is not what promo copies are about. the record label does not
    waste hundreds of dollars printing up promo copies so that the DJs at
    the stations can listen to it ahead of time. promo copies are printed
    so that they will be PLAYED ON THE AIR so that people can hear what the
    new music will sound like and get really excited about buying the new
    cd. the point is to play it on the air, it's not being done without the
    permission of the band.

    > the album's contents was okay was if Mike himself sent a message to us
    > saying, "Okay, guys, you've been waiting long enough" or something and let
    > us in on info himself.

    i assume sending the cd to radio stations to play on the air and show
    people the new music isn't sign enough that the band is letting a little
    info out? (damn its gonna suck if it turns out that the label DID make
    them release one and they still want it under wraps :) moo.

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:13:38 CEST
    From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: hello, Mr. Big
    Message-ID: <19990927181339.42654.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Hi there,
    how come nobody has told me or mentioned that Mr. Big has a new album out
    with Richie Kotzen on guitar, called 'Get over it'.
    Later,
    s.

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:31:00 -0400
    From: savaytse66 <savaytse66@psu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: This secrecy....
    Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990927141942.00a27e80@email.psu.edu>

    At 10:17 AM 9/27/99, you wrote:

    >I have always loved most the period right before a new album release
    >when everyone used to discuss it, and wonder, and get pysched! All of that

    I think WONDER is the key word here. When FII was released, everyone on
    this list had access to sound clips, information, etc. There was no period
    of wonder the last few days before FII was released. For months, people
    had already praised it as DT's best work, or had already torn it to
    shreds. Either way, few people were able to listen to FII with a
    completely open mind. When I went down to pick up the new CD that
    Monday/Tuesday at midnight, I already knew what the cover looked like, I
    already knew the track listing, and I had already heard samples of the
    songs. That's not to say that the whole experience was ruined for me, but
    there was that element of surprise, of WONDER, that was missing. I think
    that is the whole point of the secrecy...

    Just my two cents.
    Chris

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    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:17:39 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: New DT released to radio
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909271513310.27332-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

    On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Jason Birzer wrote:

    > >I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been
    > >played on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but
    > >you should NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough
    > >to post info about the new album (such as you did by posting a song
    > >title, for which you will probably be banned from the list), then for
    > >God's sake, put (SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's
    > >the SECOND piece of spoiler info I've read about because somebody
    > >didn't notify me ahead of time.
    >
    > Umm.. The subject of the message was 'New DT released to radio'
    > Wasn't that warning enough? Sorry, don't have much sympathy for you.
    > With a title like that, I would avoid it because of potential
    > spoilers, if I was doing that. (I'm not.)

    Maybe I just have a little too much faith in my fellow men to think that
    they might blatantly make it obvious that there's a spoiler involved.
    Saying "New DT played on the radio" could be as simple as saying, "Hey, I
    was listening to this metal show on Friday night and the DJ played a song
    off the new DT album." If you're going to post anything like a song
    title, etc. then all you have to do is warn us.

    I shouldn't have to flip through my email with bomb squad gear on to make
    sure that I don't accidentally read something I shouldn't. It's not that
    hard to put a little spoiler warning in a subject header. You're acting
    like I'M the one who did something wrong here. I was just reprimanding
    for posting a spoiler without a warning. It's not even the act of posting
    a spoiler that bothers me - it's that I didn't have a chance to skip over
    it because of a lack of proper warning.

    And I've said this before, so I'll finish up now.

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