YTSEJAM Digest 5066
Today's Topics:
1) A little understanding...
by Dave Hatlee <webmaster@mikeportnoy.com>
2) Dream Theater Subconscious Boot - Mike Bahr
by "Bracken N. MacLeod" <anitya@erols.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5065
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDtor?= Varalonga <vpedrosa@ccg.uc.pt>
4) Censorship?
by "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca>
5) Paint It Bulk
by IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu>
6) Re: Censorship?
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
7) Re: Don't you get it?/Conception suggestions
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
8) Progressive Rock\Metal - Questions
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
9) Re: Censorship?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) The dictatorship nature of MIME
by "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
11) You guys can't respect Dream Theater's wishes?
by "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5064
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
13) Re: You guys can't respect Dream Theater's wishes?
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
14) Subconscious
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
15) Re: Conception suggestions
by <dthomas@best.com>
16) New Album Info
by "!Richi Copper!" <enerichi@hotmail.com>
17) RE: New album info, etc.
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
18) Think about it.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) skadz and the rulez
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
20) Re: You guys can't respect Dream Theater's wishes?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:04:29 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <webmaster@mikeportnoy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: A little understanding...
Message-ID: <4.1.19990914062551.00a5c9b0@mail.ee.net>
Hi everyone.
I can see that a little tension is going to arise from the topics
regarding the new release secrecy posted in the last jam, so
I wanted to take a minute and write a message to those of
you who are maybe a little "miffed" about the fact that the band
is trying to keep a lid on any details until the actual release.
First off, let me explain that there are reasons for the secrecy
shrouding the new CD, and they are not to piss you off, not to treat
you like kids, and not to build your expectations. I can promise
you that, because I know first hand. Those of us who do have some
inside info are NOT here to hold it over your heads and taunt you, and
I would hope that nobody out there is giving that impression.
Without going into great detail, a few of the basic reasons that
Mike has tried to keep everything under wraps are that basically, they want
the
new CD to be a surprise for us because they want all the fans to have a
"clear,
fresh, opinion-free, open mind on October 26th". Rumors about the actual
details of the
CD can cause expectations, and sometimes expectations can lead to
dissappointment.
FII was hashed out openly in public for so long in so many ways, long
before it's release,
that it's possible it also took away from any surprises that the CD held.
With this new
release, the band feels that the element of surprise is important enough
that they have
asked us to avoid leaking out any information through official channels
until we closely
approach the release date.
With that, I'd also like to mention this is not an easy task for the people
that run sites
and mailing lists affiliated with the band. We're all taking a lot of heat
right now simply for
respecting the band's wishes.
Folks, this band works really hard to give you more
personalized information and contact than any other band that I know of.
They do
special fanlcub shows and CD's, free and almost free clinics, side
projects, live chats,
and a lot of other things in order to "give something back" to the fans. If
there was ever
a time when you wanted to show them a little appreciation for doing what
they do, then
this would be it...just give them a break and try to understand that this
new CD is
special enough to them that they would like it to be as much of a surprise
as possible.
Naturally people are going to find out some details before the release, but
in the mean time
please try to understand that, out of respect for DT and their wishes for
this new release,
the affiliates all need to honor the bands request to keep a tight lid on
things. This doesn't
have to be a negative thing. If you really need to know details and rumors,
you can
find them out there, but for the time being all of the official channels
are doing their
part to avoid letting the real cat out of the bag, as well as squelching
rumors before they snowball.
No plot to ruin your day, no power trips or egos, just some people helping
a very
excited band who would love for us to all be surprised at the release of
their latest effort.
Thanks for the bandwidth,
DaveH
http://www.mikeportnoy.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:21:18 -0400
From: "Bracken N. MacLeod" <anitya@erols.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater Subconscious Boot - Mike Bahr
Message-ID: <37DE2FAE.A586A7A2@erols.com>
Hey all, it's been a long while since I've been on the Ytsejam, but I
wanted to drop in for a while to see about the new album (imagine my
surprise at the gag order -- no big deal) and to let you know that I'm
selling off my copy of Mike Bahr's Subconscious Boot. Of course, it's
in the FAQ, but just in case you don't know this is a CD compilation of
old demos and live tracks. The best part is that it contains an original
version of A Change of Seasons, clocking in at 19:19 and substantially
different than the version on the ACOS EP. This copy is number 125/500.
To view the auction go to
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D163737378.
Thanks everyone,
Bracken MacLeod
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:39:28 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDtor?= Varalonga <vpedrosa@ccg.uc.pt> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5065 Message-ID: <37DE33EF.200BC4B@ccg.uc.pt>
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Hi guys!!!
Sorry if this will seem a little bit off-topic, but since I've already red some guitar related posts in this digest, it's worth trying. So here it goes... I've heard some pretty awesome critics about the Ibanez guitar model RG570. It really seems it rocks all the way!!! In guitar playing I'm still a beginner, so I suppose that I am not (still!!!) worthy of that magnificent axe piece. A friend o mine is willing to sell me his guitar. It's an Ibanez RG270. I know it's quality is pretty fucking far from the RG570 model, but still I would like to know your opinion about this guitar...
Thanks in advance,
Vitor Varalonga
PS: Please guys don't torture me anymore with all those news concerning the new album... I just can't hold any longer... %}
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:55:00 -0400 From: "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Censorship? Message-ID: <199909141251.FAA12450@fugazi.torchsong.com>
I have to say I disagree 100% with the new "rule" concerning new album info. What the heck is this list for if it's not all about disseminating info on the band both *new* and old. The list seems to have become a PR vehicle for the band rather than a place for *US* to hold unfettered discussions.
And the fact the album is due to be released in a few weeks isn't the point. The point is very much that we're being TOLD we can't hold discussions which have gone on in the past.
That's censorship and it stinks.
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:15:39 -0400 From: IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Paint It Bulk Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990914091539.0157ce10@cs.millersv.edu>
Two more "Paint It Black" coverers...
- Glenn Tipton (Judas Priest axeman on his solo album "Baptizm of Fire") - Rick Wakeman (on the live album "Wakeman With Wakeman", featuring both him and his son)
Oh, and a certain ProGtologist wrote: >>I dunno about anyone else out there, but I'm planning on writing CDNow and >>giving 'em a piece of my mind. They should not have the option to preorder >Can you afford it? :)
Depends which piece I'm giving away. Longterm memory of pointless trivia, that's important, but the center of my brain that appreciates romantic comedies, *that* I hardly ever use...
I...have...an idea. There's all sorts of Internet auctions going right now, where anybody can sells any sort of crap they gots (including ridiculously overpriced bootlegs). Why not start a betting center? The Ebay of gambling. A person selects an event, sports being the obvious choice, then people send in their bets via credit card. The difference between this and traditional methods of gambling is that you can submit any sort of idea. Like whether Dream Theater's next album is going to be called "Metropolis II" or not (incidentally, I'm betting "yes" on that one -- mark me down), how many Backstreet Boys videos will be on in a given day of MTV, et cetera. If there's already a system like this in place, please don't tell me about it, because I'm enjoying my delusion of having an original, somewhat marketworthy thought.
I'm going to close with some sad news. Ricky Martin is playing the Spectrum in Philly in almost exactly two months. It is sold out. What's the world coming to?
Brian
[NP...Coverdale/Page -- s/t]
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:29:39 -0300 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Censorship? Message-ID: <37DE3FB2.D1AFB06B@yunque.net>
"MacAusland, Robert: HFX" wrote:
> And the fact the album is due to be released in a few weeks isn't the point. > The point is very much that we're being TOLD we can't hold discussions which > have gone on in the past. > That's censorship and it stinks.
Its not censorship, you could talk about it, you just have to face the consequences. Moderators have the right to do just that, moderate. If the moderators wish to **follow the bands request** not to discuss information about the album, promote rumours, etc they have all the right. Ever heard of "we reserve the right of admision" ? He has the right to have or not have you on this list. Yes, these type of discussions HAVE gone on in the past, thus ruining albums for many of us, if youre the type of person that actually *likes* spoilers, then i suggest you make a mailing list of your own so you can discuss whatever rumours/so called-news from the new album you want. Or just go read the idiots on the ng's. (no offense, but those of you who also read the NG know what im talking about) All in all, you should at least respect the bands wishes for secrecy, i'd go as far as saying we owe it to them. So either conform , or just leave, because if you dont want to respect the wishes the band has clearly expressed then you shouldnt be here.
-- You learned well, through your hell Your Pain was nothing, you longed for more Your shameful heaven is full of devils Just like me, Just for You Carlos Alfaro , Internet Solutions Inc mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Don't you get it?/Conception suggestions Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9909140918070.171412-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
KorgX3 wrote: Well, I can understand it. If you have info about the album, keep it to yourself, that's all. I know I wasn't the only person who had FII completely ruined because of all of the reviews posted here weeks before the album was even out. The Derek vs. Kevin wars were already in full swing a week before the album was released. Every song was available in some listening format >in full length< prior to its release. I ended up unsubbing from the list because the shit was so thick.
So, basically, I think moderating DT from the DT list for the time being is a good idea. If you'd like to have the album spoiled for you I'd suggest possibly hanging around alt.music.dream-theater or what-not.
And these lame rumors are just as bad as the truth, if not worse. So deal. >>>>>>
It's not the prohibition of official information that I have a problem with. In fact, I'm quite enjoying the veil of secrecy. It's the fact that any speculation or talk about the new record at all was prohibited that pisses me off. Speculation and anticipation is what makes the weeks before an album comes out fun anyway. A new album release is obviously the highlight for fans of any band, and should obviously be the peak time for the members of a list such as this to share a 'buzz of excitement and anticipation' with each other. Oh well. What is the point of the Nazijam Mailing List even existing for the next six weeks? As for the Conception question, they were one of the greatest bands ever. Of the two albums mentioned, In Your Multitude and Parallel Minds, I'd start with In Your Multitude. They're both outstanding, though.
>KorgX3 pushes Matt of off the hill and begins a seven minute reign in >peace.
Matt begins a slow ascent from his seasons in the abyss back up the hill, guts KorgX3, and begins his eternal reign in blood. :)
**************************************************************************** | Matt Smith | ------------->|ktulu@arches.uga.edu|<------------- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "It's always been in my head to create giant pieces of music." -James Hetfield ****************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:43:38 +0200 From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Progressive Rock\Metal - Questions Message-ID: <006401befeb7$689f6760$2de44382@janopsal>
Hi, my name is Jonas. I am doing a project on Progressive music, and I have some questions for all of you. Actually, you can take it as a challenge to see if you can answer all of my questions! : )
Who (band or artist) was the "founder" of Prog. Rock or\and Metal? - And why?
What bands\artists have contributed most to making prog. music what it is today? Why?
What Makes Prog. Rock\Metal so special? - How do you recognize prog. music? - Define prog. music.
If I can play about 3 minutes of prog. music for my class, what should I play to show them what prog. rock\metal is about?
Why isn't Prog. music more popular?
How old is the "average" Prog. Rock\Metal fan? - Is this higher than for most other genres?
Describe a fan of Prog. Music. - Is he a fanatic? - Only musicians?
Answers through private mail or in the mailing- list is both fine, as long as you think it is relevant to the mailinglist. - Thank you.
-- Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- My Dream Theater website ---- ----- http://dreamtheater.tsx.org -----
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Censorship? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909140937270.1434-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, MacAusland, Robert: HFX wrote:
> I have to say I disagree 100% with the new "rule" concerning new album > info. What the heck is this list for if it's not all about > disseminating info on the band both *new* and old. The list seems to > have become a PR vehicle for the band rather than a place for *US* to > hold unfettered discussions. > > And the fact the album is due to be released in a few weeks isn't the > point. The point is very much that we're being TOLD we can't hold > discussions which have gone on in the past. > > That's censorship and it stinks.
You know what, I'm GLAD they don't want us talking about the details of the album. Were you on the jam when FII was released? (I wasn't, but that's not the point.) There was so much pre-release conjecture as to how good the album was. That's BEFORE it was released. Personally, I don't want to hear people talking about the quality of something before I get a chance to see it for myself.
It's like with a new game (which I'm sure many of you are familiar with already) - Final Fantasy 8. It was released in the US on the 9th or 10th, I'm not sure which, and I haven't had a chance to buy it. But I've PURPOSEFULLY avoided ANY content on the Internet that had to do with it (music, screen shots, etc). Why? Because I was SO spoiled by the fact that I'd heard tons of things about Final Fantasy 7 that by the time I actually played it, it had no special meaning to me - it was just a game and NOT the epic that I'd heard it was supposed to be. So I'm shying away from any news (or rumors, even) of the new game so that when I play it, I'll just be blown away by it.
That's exactly the same way I feel about this album. And that's why I feel they're trying to keep this album as secretive as possible. I don't understand how you would think it's okay for the band to keep the album a secret up until now and then when it gets closer to the release date, you don't want them to keep it a secret anymore? Give the band a little credit - I think they know what they're doing. I can completely understand the idea that you want to know the info. That's not what I have a problem with. It's that you'd directly want to go against the band's wishes and hold discussions about it when they asked you not to (I'm not saying that you're going to break the rule, though).
About the fact that you're "being TOLD we can't hold discussions which have gone on in the past," I would assume that a major part of the reason why they don't want people talking about it is BECAUSE of those discussions which have gone on in the past. Again, FII was spoiled for a lot of people (a la Final Fantasy 7), and I'm sure they don't want it spoiled for them again (a la Final Fantasy 8).
That's all I have to say about that.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can do is take out your money, and piss on it while mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll have to wash your money." - Norman Calkin, on urban survival -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The dictatorship nature of MIME Message-ID: <19990914142858.9366.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Jeremy Kube wrote:
>I, like many others are downright sick of seeing ignorant and selfish >people who post in MIME or HTML format.
I agree. MIME has no place on a text-only mailing list. That being said, some people have NO CHOICE but to post in MIME. I for one cannot post from my work account simply because the server is set to send messages in MIME format. My copy of MS LookOut is set to send in plain text. But when the server gets a hold of it, it changes it to MIME. Admins at work say it's because sales and marketing people need it set that way. Just keep that in mind. :)
Of course, my solution to that is to post from my Yahoooooo! account, crappy as it is.
"And now for something completely different."
"Episcopus" wrote: >We have some morons who think they know >better than us by witholding information. ..and then continued to rant some more...
To which Andreas replied: >Mike Portnoy has personally ordered the people who have this >information to keep quiet
He's right. Mike and the rest of the band have specifically asked that NO information about the new album be leaked until the release date. And I agree 100% with the band's decision. Personally, LTE1 was ruined for me because I listened to some MP3 clips before its release. I hated the sound and thought it was done by a bunch of show-off musicians. When I finally got around to buying the album months later (which I had sworn I wouldn't do because I hated the clips), it was nothing like what I had heard. Sure the clips were in there, but it wasn't the overall sound of the album. To this day I still won't listen to it very often -- all because of a misconception I had based on a few 30-second clips.
Give the guys a break. They know what happened in the past, and they know they're doing now. And Episcopus, if you've been here as long as you say you have, you'd know that.
-Nicole/Kirby
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:01:30 -0400 From: "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: You guys can't respect Dream Theater's wishes? Message-ID: <001a01befec2$0a028380$6506d6d1@pavilion>
I have already seen more than a few people bitching about not being able to talk about the new DT cd. This is the BAND'S wish.
After all this band has given you, you cannot follow a simple request?
~Hector
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:27:08 PDT From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5064 Message-ID: <19990914152708.35824.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi there, as a record collector I like to have my albums alphabetically by artist and then chronologically. To incorporate the studio albums I was wondering if anybody has the exact release dates at hand, since they're not in the FAQ. Thanks, schnipp
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: You guys can't respect Dream Theater's wishes? Message-ID: <19990914155927.7609.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- Sadbutunforgiven <m99086a@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I have already seen more than a few people bitching > about not being able to > talk about the new DT cd. This is the BAND'S wish. > > After all this band has given you, you cannot follow > a simple request? > > ~Hector
I don't think it's unreasonable to not leak out information about the new CD, but to claim that somehow we as fans somehow owe DT something is ridiculous. They make music and we buy it. They get paid and we get music to listen to. Nothing is owed by either side. There's a difference between respect and having some sort of stupid, fictious debt IMHO. === *Trent
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:09:34 +0200 From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Subconscious Message-ID: <m11Qv9C-00050BC@fwd02.btx.dtag.de>
Question: I'm a relatively new DT fan. I read the songbook and it said something about the 'Subconsious' CD, which is "widely available as a bootleg recording". WHERE DO I GET IT? How do I get a bootleg? This might sound stupid, but I don't know. I'm especially keen on the Tori Amos Cover "Winter". Anybody got any hints for me?
-Haschkeks
* every breath brings me one less to my last * PULL ME UNDER
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: <dthomas@best.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Conception suggestions Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909140914140.1955-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
First of all, there are no bad Conception CDs.
]From the two you suggested, I'd lean towards In Your Multitude, as it is better than Parallel Minds. Not that PM sucks or anything, just that IYM is even better. Of course, Flow is the masterpiece from this band, so you'll eventually want to get that one also. It is such a shame that this band does not exist anymore. Anyone that has not heard Conception should check them out.
DT www.pixelplanet.com Take bets on when I'll update it again...
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:46:36 EDT From: "!Richi Copper!" <enerichi@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New Album Info Message-ID: <19990914164637.82128.qmail@hotmail.com>
There is a new Dream Theater album coming out October 26th. >Everyone knows this. The band want to keep the information about this >album quiet UNTIL October 26th. Anyone on this list who has any >information about the album is asked NOT to post it here. Let me >actually one up that a bit. Anyone posting information regarding the >new album (real, fake, rumor, joke, or otherwise) will be IMMEDIATELY >removed from this list. This is NOT a joke. The album is purposely >being kept quiet and starting rumors here (or even telling real >information that you know) is STRICTLY forbidden.
You're joking, right? No information about the new album until it's released? Why? Do the band think that if someone knows the track listing before the album comes out that they won't buy it?
Obviously, I don't understand. Part of the reason I joined the 'Jam was to get news on the upcoming album. *sigh* Looks like I'll have to start reading alt.music.dream-theater...
>Yes, I second this. I think the moderator, Skidmarkz or whatever does not >want to lose his relation with Mike P. He feel that power when he withholds >information. What's somebody going to do, not buy it? Everybody on the list >will buy it. We are "the hardcore" fans and we have desires to know about >the new album! Get up pumped, Skidmarks or whatever your name is!
Are there any alternative mailing lists?
Richi
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:24:38 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: New album info, etc. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990914132438.0082f340@mail.ptd.net>
For those of you who *STILL* don't get it:
Mike Portnoy is Dream Theater's drummer. Mike Portnoy would like the fans of his band to be totally (and pleasantly) surprised on October 26th, when the new album is released. The other members of the band are in accord with this idea. Most people who may currently have access to information on the new album are mature enough and respecting enough of the band's wishes to have kept quiet about it; including our list moderator, and the webmasters of the Official Dream Theater and Mike Portnoy sites.
It has been well known for quite a while now that the band would like the "Veil of Secrecy" on the new album to remain until October 26th. October 26th is only six (6) weeks away. Let's not be impatient, folks.
I was lucky enough to not yet have internet access in the months before the release of FII. When I went to the store on September 14th (if that's the right date), I had absolutely no clue as to what I should expect. I hadn't seen the album cover, read the tracklist, or heard *any* of the music until that day. Regardless of my initial impressions of the album, the whole experience of listening to it for the first time, not having known anything about it beforehand, was sort of exciting. I believe I listened to it 4 times in a row, actually.
I picked up the new Steve Vai album the other day. I have avoided Vai.com and jemsite.com for the past few months, for the sake of experiencing the new music with no expectations; no rumors (true or false) to go by; a completely open mind. The first listen was INCREDIBLY refreshing and exciting! I had no idea what to expect, with the possible exception of the 7th track being some kind of ballad (as they always are on Vai albums).
I like surprises, and I know that a lot of other people on this list (and in the forum at mikeportnoy.com) do as well. Dream Theater would like to surprise us with an album of NEW, FRESH music on 10/26. I understand that Mike would like us all to approach the new album with no expectations and an open mind. Is it too much to ask that we, the fans, respect that?
~Brian
NP: Steve Vai - The Ultra Zone
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:25:11 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Think about it. Message-ID: <002501befed6$1e48da60$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
>>will buy it. We are "the hardcore" fans and we have desires to know about >>the new album! Get up pumped, Skidmarks or whatever your name is!
You people never fail to amaze me. Firstly, I think everyone who is so achingly starved for information on the new album is an ignorant buffoon. I believe one way or another, you'll end up getting all of the information you want. I highly believe that no matter what Skadz tries to do, someone's going to spill the beans here in spite of losing their privileges (unless he goes about studiously reading every 'jam before publishing it). But, you efficacious morons, I am willing to bet that you WILL regret diving into the album before listening to it. If you have any sort of conscience, you're going to look back in a year and realize what asses you were.
Discovery is a great feeling. Picture yourself as Chris Columbus. Would you rather revel in the excitement of being on the Santa Maria when the lookout shouts "Land Ho!" and waiting for that awesome three days as you slowly see the New World open up to you, the excitement so high you piss you pants? Or would you rather have someone tell you all about the New World in complete detail, about the people, the places, show you pictures of it... and then have everything all "Ho Hum" when you get there? Think about it.
I agree with Trent on the matter that we don't owe DT anything, we have a mutual relationship, but they respect their fans we should respect them back. They're a great bunch of people and if we'd like them to remain a great bunch of people we should respect them as they respect us. They don't want discussion of the new album, end of story. If you can't honor that, you're a lousy sack of shit soaked in stagnant urine, the kind of person who would go piss on John Kennedy's grave and say, "Well, he never did anything for ME!"
So, either sit here and deal with it or go back to your AOL boards full of 13 year old k3Wld3wDs, but I'll tell you, if everything goes to plan, this list is going to be a great place to be on DT99 release day. :) -- KorgX3 gets off his soapbox on this topic for good. NP: Titanic.mp3
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:56:47 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: skadz and the rulez Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE9E5@messaging>
Hey dude - when you're the moderator (who takes orders from the band), you can make the fucking rules. The YML is NOT an authority free zone, and it shouldn't be. It was set up to honor and discuss DT, and THE BAND WANTS EVERYONE TO SHUT UP, so they had Skadz send out the e-mail. Being on the 'jam is a privelege, not a right. G'day... :)
> And the fact the album is due to be released in a few weeks isn't the point. > The point is very much that we're being TOLD we can't hold discussions which > have gone on in the past. > That's censorship and it stinks.
Damn - this is getting old.
David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:18:45 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: You guys can't respect Dream Theater's wishes? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990914181845.013e7348@pi-r-squared.com>
At 09:12 AM 9/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
As one other person has already said, I have no problem with, and in fact SUPPORT the ban on any real and official information about the new cd being released. However, haven't we all been saying that the conjecture about the new album (what's going on? Is it a concept album? etc) have been some of the best threads we've seen here in a while? Personally I think all the guessing games only INCREASE anticipation, they make us want to by the album more so we know what the real deal is. Part of the fun of a surprise of this nature is the "damnit I can't wait another day to find out" factor, and that's just going to die if we can't even talk rumors.
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