YTSEJAM Digest 5067

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Album Secrecy
     by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
      2) one more thing
     by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5065
     by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
      4) Re: Suggestions asked for
     by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
      5) New Album/New Rule/New Conspiracy Theory
     by Giannotti Nick ESC/JSK <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
      6) re-subscribe
     by midntoil@texas.net
      7) New Cd...
     by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
      8) RE: "Gag order"
     by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
      9) My Band's Debut Album
     by Dark Tower <voice@gonzo.wolfenet.com>
     10) New Album: Grow up?
     by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
     11) Unusual...
     by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
     12) Re: New Album Info
     by Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
     13) This is not censorship.
     by "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
     14) Tiles/Other stuff
     by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
     15) Ytsejam mailing list T shirts.
     by "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
     16) Non-DT-related: In regards to all the talk about the new album...
     by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
     17) korg's agressive attitude
     by "Simon Asselin" <simon_asselin@hotmail.com>
     18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5066
     by WAxlRose01@aol.com
     19) new Vanden Plas
     by Sebast87@aol.com
     20) Can't we all just get along?
     by Scarred2112@aol.com
     21) Preview Of Dream Theater's New Album!
     by John Tracy <jtracy@swbell.net>
     22) Re: Ytsejam mailing list T shirts.
     by "Lisa Centorrino" <ytsedragyn@worldnet.att.net>
     23) Puhleeeezzzz!!!!!!!!!!
     by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:12:12 +0200
    From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Album Secrecy
    Message-ID: <m11Qx3s-000781C@fwd09.btx.dtag.de>

    Since everyone has already commented on the album secrecy feature, I though I
    might as well do so too.

    I agree with DT. It's not the point to treat us like kids. And I don't think we
    should call this mailing list nazijam. As much as I got from Mike's Website, DT
    will continue to drop hints on the new album while we wait for the release. I
    personally will probably have more fun with the new album if I don't know
    everything beforehand.

    Why don't you people just all shut up and pay respect to the greatest band on
    earth?

    Or we might as well treat the album as Mike purt it in ACOS: "Oh come, let us
    adore him, abuse and then ignore him..."

    -Haschkeks

    * Every breath takes me one less to my last * PULL ME UNDER

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:20:29 -0500
    From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: one more thing
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990914182029.013d7cc4@pi-r-squared.com>

    Oh, and in case there's any confusion, the ban on the discussion of RUMORS
    about the new album, came from SKADZ. Not from Portnoy (ie NOT FROM DT!).
    Portnoy simply requested that people who have REAL info, not distribute it.

    Palpatine
    Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
    of Anime-no-kai
    "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
    "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
    "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his
    house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:19:25 -0500
    From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5065
    Message-ID: <19990914.132019.11630.3.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>

    I think remasetering and rerecording the vocals would be a great idea for
    WDADU, HOWEVER, I think it would do a diservice to Charlie. If the band
    did do that, I think 2cd's would be in order, one with james,
    remasetered, and the original with Charlie. Oh yeah, you can't forget
    the 11 minute song A Vision which didn't make the album, and the demo for

    Metropolis with Charlie on vox.

    Kurt

    "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going"
    -Doubledrive "Gone"
    New Dream Theater ????????????????????????? out Oct 26th
    "Sevendust isn't music, Its a full contact sport"-John Connolly

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:10:30 -0500
    From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Suggestions asked for
    Message-ID: <19990914.132019.11630.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>

    Hey I got mine 15 about 2 weeks ago here's some suggestions:

    Stuck Mojo-Rising Southern fried metal with a black singer Heavy and
            groovin

    Anthrax Stomp 442-if still available great album

    I got all of the Sepultura's Chaos AD is the best

    Fear factory- Demanufacture/or Obsolete Killer double bass also heavy
    with some industrial influences (they were supposed to play the HOB in
    New Orleans, but they cancelled, leaving Kurt VERY PISSED OFF)

    King's X-Tape Head probably my fav that I got

    Hope that helps,
    Kurt

    NP-Sevendust "Home"
     

    "Another chance to life,
    Free the Sensation In my heart,
    to ride the wings of dreams into changing horizons" -Dream Theater
    "As I get closer, was it really worth what I have learned?"-Dream Theater
    New Queensryche "Q2K" Sept. 14th New Sevendust "Home" Aug 24th New
    Megadeth "Risk" Aug 31st

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:50 -0400
    From: Giannotti Nick ESC/JSK <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
    To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: New Album/New Rule/New Conspiracy Theory
    Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CCFF7CEA@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>

    Why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over the fact that DT
    doesn't want us talking about it?

    Is it THAT big a deal to some people that you can't hold out until 26
    October to get even the slightest iota of information regarding the new
    album? If so, then there's always the newsgroups or DejaNews, so calm down.

    Is it the fact that the moderator of this list put his foot down and said,
    "Don't talk about it."? Hell, I thought that was his JOB to put his foot
    down, especially with a mailing list where rumors fly faster than shit out
    of a newborn.

    Is it the fact that some people just need something to bitch about in their
    lives? Maybe.

    Ultimately, though, who friggin' cares? So you want information on the new
    DT album and you can't get it here - the Internet is a REALLY REALLY big
    place, and I'm sure that if you dig hard enough, you'll find some snippet
    buried somewhere in the underbelly of the 'net that'll satisfy you. Until
    then, I'm thrilled that Skadz has put a gag-order on this, and I'm thrilled
    that Mike asked him to, because - even though speculation does heighten the
    anticipation - half the rumors that'd end up here would be so far off the
    mark that they'd make someone disappointed.

    So here's a suggestion: why not just calm down and wait? Or is that too much
    to ask of someone who's subscribed to a MAILING LIST?

     - Nick

    Nicholas Giannotti x6745
    Joint STARS Contracts
    giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
    ---------------------------------
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    Edison
    "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to
    bite people themselves." -- August Strindberg
    "I never make stupid mistakes. Only very, very clever ones." -- The Doctor
    "You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses
    to frighten you." -- Eric Hoffer

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:51:23 -0700
    From: midntoil@texas.net
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: re-subscribe
    Message-ID: <7rm5fb$bq60@eGroups.com>

    I want to re-subscribe. Thanks!

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:57:16 -0400
    From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: New Cd...
    Message-ID: <199909141457.AA33947860@pressroom.com>

    >I don't think it's unreasonable to not leak out
    >information about the new CD, but to claim that
    >somehow we as fans somehow owe DT something is
    >ridiculous. They make music and we buy it. They get
    >paid and we get music to listen to. Nothing is owed
    >by either side. There's a difference between respect
    >and having some sort of stupid, fictious debt IMHO.

    Gotta love this attitude... You know, the band doesn't have to do fan shows during the holiday season. They could stay home with their families. Mike doesn't have to post on here or go onto online chats on his website. They don't have to stay after shows signing everything put in front of them, even if some members are sick. They don't have to do any of this, but they do anyways.

    Do we 'owe' them for this. Maybe not, but I know if I were in their place, I would like to feel appriciated for all the extra effort I made for the fans.

    They are asking for something small for this list, to keep wild speculation about the CD to a minimum. I don't think this is much to ask. I know what things were like for FII, with the Fix shows booted and on the net and all the endless speculation beforehand, it kinda felt like I heard the CD already.

    What I do hope, tho, is that they slowly disseminate information through the official channels. The title, the track listing, maybe even a song clip, but do it slowly over the next month. I would like to know something about it, but not a huge amount. I think this is reasonable and will satiate most of us.

    Jason

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:54:00 -0400
    From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: RE: "Gag order"
    Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B198D@HQEXS01>

            I may be wrong here, but I don't think we were ever told to not
    discuss the new album. The prohibition is on people who, one way or
    another, have access to advanced information, or on rumor-spreading. No one
    said we couldn't speculate on what would be on the album, or discuss what we
    would like to hear. Just not to spread information that hasn't been
    officially released -- and not to spread or create rumors.

            It's sort of like the official information is copyrighted, and only
    the copyright holders (the band) have a say as to where and when to print
    it. For any of us to print the information would be like spreading
    bootlegged copies of the official information; whereas rumors are just plain
    fake/fraudulent/counterfeit. Our own speculation/desires/etc. are our own,
    and we can print them wherever we want.

    Just my two scents
    (smells like brain cells frying....)

    --Zircon the Blue

    >There is a new Dream Theater album coming out October 26th.
    >Everyone knows this. The band want to keep the information about this
    >album quiet UNTIL October 26th. Anyone on this list who has any
    >information about the album is asked NOT to post it here. Let me
    >actually one up that a bit. Anyone posting information regarding the
    >new album (real, fake, rumor, joke, or otherwise) will be IMMEDIATELY
    >removed from this list. This is NOT a joke. The album is purposely
    >being kept quiet and starting rumors here (or even telling real
    >information that you know) is STRICTLY forbidden.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:06:53 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Dark Tower <voice@gonzo.wolfenet.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: My Band's Debut Album
    Message-ID: <199909141906.MAA10383@wolfenet.com>

    Hi all,

    I have been on the Jam a long time, and have made some good friends. I
    wanted to let you all know that my band has just released its debut album,
    Solar Voices. The band's name is Inner Resonance at www.iresonance.com

    Obviously we are rather progressive, working off the tradtions so strongly
    and musically perpetuated in DT's music. I hope you'll check us out. The
    album is available on online distributors linked on our page.

    Can't wait for the new DT!

    Laterz,
    Peter

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: New Album: Grow up?
    Message-ID: <19990914192251.28545.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com>

    Hey all...

    This ban on new album information is really separating the children from the
    adults on this list. I'm talking about maturity level, not the number we
    call age. It's becoming quite apparent who isn't acting maturely.

    It amazes me that some people here can be so unappreciative of the work that
    this band has done, to make music for their fans.

    I was going to make a longer post on this, but it looks like KorgX3 and Kirby
    and others have been saying most of it already.

    To the person who coined the term "Skidmarkz", I have one thing to say.
    Until you meet Skadz, walk in his shoes, create & maintain & moderate a
    mailing list for all these years, deal with immature children and spammers
    and all other sorts of crap, you can kindly shut up.

    Skadz isn't paid to be the moderator of this list. He does this out of the
    goodness of his heart, and the desire to create an open forum for us to use.
    I have personally met him and spent time with him, and he is a genuinely
    honest and personable guy. He makes the rules, he's following Dream
    Theater's wishes, end of story.

    We all agreed to the list rules and posting conditions when we re-subscribed
    to the new list recently. This shouldn't be an issue. Nobody's forcing
    anyone to stay subscribed to Ytsejam, so anyone who wants to leave is free to
    go. The door's open. You just subscribed, so I hope you can remember how to
    unsubscribe.

    And now for the more mature list readers...

    Dream Theater is made up of professional musicians, who have diverse talents,
    immense creativity, and extremely demanding standards of their own work.
    We've learned to trust them over the years, when they changed their
    styles/members, released new albums, or took chances. They're professional
    musicians, and they are asking us to trust them, and keep our ears and minds
    fresh for the new album. Insert comments about the album being a pleasant
    surprise here. I know the early clips of FII spoiled my first listen, since
    just about all the songs were in RealAudio format at some point.

    Robert MacAusland, this list was never "a place for *US* to hold unfettered
    discussions". We all agreed to the list rules when we signed up. We know
    the list of "taboo topics", for example Kevin vs. Derek, Metallica selling
    out, and others. Skadz is adding another entry to this list for a relatively
    short period of six weeks. If you're that impatient, that's fine, but you'll
    have to find and disseminate your information elsewhere.

    This list is not a PR vehicle... it's still a discussion forum, but we all
    need to remember to play by the rules. Skadz wouldn't make a rule without a
    damn good reason for it. He's been moderating this list long enough to know
    the whims from the worthwhile causes. He's neither a Nazi nor a zealot nor a
    censor-happy control freak. Trust him on this, for our sake.

    What's more, he's doing his part to make sure that this list benefits from
    Dream Theater, and vice versa. They do put a lot back into the list
    community, you know. Mike's an active reader and occasional poster on the
    'jam. Dave Hatlee named off other examples of their generosity in the
    previous digest.

    Dream Theater (or their label) does not owe this mailing list (or any fans)
    anything. Likewise, we do not owe them anything. Nobody owes anyone
    anything here. If they choose not to release information, that's totally
    their call. If they ask us to not spread it around, that's a respectful
    request from musicians who want their new album to be a fresh experience for
    all its buyers on the release date. Skadz is honoring that request to the
    best of his ability. As the list owner and moderator, he's responsible for
    all content posted to the list.

    Six weeks isn't that long, really. Somehow, most of us will manage to live
    through the anticipation of the new album. There is life outside of Dream
    Theater and Ytsejam, and a little suspense never killed anybody. ;)

    Trust these guys. They're trained professionals. October 26th will come,
    the album will be released, and it will be good.

    In the meantime, I strongly recommend Glenn Hughes' 1997 release,
    "Addiction". Incredibly powerful lyrics and vocals, a strong King's-X-like
    rhythm section, very good bass, and searing lead guitar. Glenn is the man,
    and his voice is as good as ever. Anyone else have this?

    Peace,

    Matthew A. Schnoor (aka M-Bone aka Gerb)
    bassist & music lover

    ===
    -- Matthew A. Schnoor
    -- mschnoor@yahoo.com
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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:31:04 -0400
    From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Unusual...
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990914153104.007a7a40@cs.millersv.edu>

    >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:15:39 -0400
    >From: IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu>
    >To: ytsejam@ax.com
    >Subject: Paint It Bulk
    >

    I remember writing that...about a month ago.

    "Ma, cut a switch -- WAM's goin' crazy again."

    To anyone that cares, my E-mail address is a new one: wbhender@cs.millersv.edu

    Before I go, I'd like to share something with y'all. I got an advance copy
    of the new Dream Theater album. It's kind of a disappointment -- 75
    minutes of home repair instructions, and there's not even any music. The
    narrator doesn't sound a bit like KJLB either, come to think of it (maybe
    it's Myung). The weirdest part for me, though, was that it didn't say
    "Dream Theater" anywhere on the packaging, the closest thing to an album
    title being "Time Life Books Presents Home Repair For Beginners". I
    understand artistic integrity and anything, but this is pushing it. I give
    this album a 5/10.

    That is all.

    Brian

    ===================================
    Name:
     W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
    Contact:
     wbhender@cs.millersv.edu
    ROBOT-CENTRAL (for now):
     http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
    WARNING: Do NOT go to the above website!!!
    ===================================

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:53:29 +0200
    From: Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: New Album Info
    Message-ID: <37DEA7B9.6B23FEE4@2.sbbs.se>

    "!Richi Copper!" wrote:

    > Skidmarkz or whatever does not
    > >want to lose his relation with Mike P. He feel that power when he withholds
    > >information.

    Let me try to explain this one more time (I think it's nr 3987) ;-) Here are my
    thoughts concerning "official" information. As for rumors and speculation, I
    don't know. It might be fun for the uninformed, but also increase the chances of
    a leak.

    Everyone privileged enough to have access to first hand information, promo
    copies etc. have been told not to post it on mailinglists or web pages. If one
    of us were to ignore this and reveal the information and upload mp3's, we would
    loose our credibility as "official whatever". That would, in turn, make the job
    of, for example running a fan club, much harder. It would also spoil the
    surprise for many fans.

    And what's the point of running a fan club if you can't get along with the band?
    Believe me, all of us would love to tell you everything about the album, but we
    can't. It has NOTHING to do with power.

    > Are there any alternative mailing lists?

    Try the newsgroup alt.music.dream-theater! There have already been some spoilers
    over there, just because some idiots think like: "I know what the tracklisting
    is, and I'm the coolest person in the world because of it!" Or you could start
    your own list, perhaps: DT-spoilers@onelist.com ;-)

    In conclusion, we can't reveal information because Mike told us not to! What's
    so hard to understand about that? I quote Mr. Bredius: It's as simple as one,
    two, three!

    Cheers!

    Andreas Skarin
    Svenska Dream Theater Sallskapet
    http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:skarre@2.sbbs.se

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:46 -0500
    From: "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
    To: "ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: This is not censorship.
    Message-ID: <000901befeeb$d617b480$4f71fea9@jeremyku>

    Picture yourself on the radio. The FCC says that you cannot say certain
    words, hint of certain sexual inuendos or discuss certain controversial
    topics. Picture the ytsejam as the same way and picture Skadz as the FCC.
    If he says that the magic word of the day that you can't use is "No
    discussion of the new DT album" then you can't use those words. Plain and
    simple. He has the right to make that decision because he, unlike us, pays
    for this godforsaken list. Live with his rules. There is plenty of other
    DT and NDTC that we can discuss in the weeks coming up to the release of
    DT's new album. The suprise is multifold (new musician, new style) and to
    spoil it would mean a lump of coal in your stocking at Christmas.
        Remember when you were a kid and you searched desperately for the
    presents that your parents bought you? When you found them you peeked
    underneath the wrapping... and what happened on Christmas day? You knew
    what you were getting and it totally took away from the excitement. Sure,
    you were glad to have the gifts but you already knew what to do with them
    before you got them. That is a direct relation to what is going on here.
        Censorship is not being able to speak your mind on any front at all.
    So, go call someone and talk about. Skadz says "Just don't do it here." I
    think that is a more than reasonable request and its not censorship. DT
    rules, and I respect them even more for making it this way. I can't wait to
    unwrap my Christmas present at the end of October!
    Jeremy Kube
    Oklahoma State University
    Fire Protection and Safety Engineering Technology Major
    inflammabl@aol.com
    kube@fullnet.net
    "Sex is Death, Death is Sex. It says it right here on my crucifix!"
    Dream Theater.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:01:40 -0700
    From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Tiles/Other stuff
    Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990914150140.007acdf0@imap.indiana.edu>

    >From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
    >Jon, I agree that Tiles kicks ass, and you're right that you need their
    >other discs (especially "Fence the Clear"). However, I don't see where
    >you're seeing any comparisons to Superior and Pain of Salvation! I'm
    >not dogging you on this, I'm just curious if you can expand on your
    >thoughts.

    No, totally...I didn't make it very clear. I look for extreme diversity
    and the ability to pull that off in a band - I think that was what I was
    getting at mostly, just that Tiles has the ability to change styles and
    make it work really well. You're right, PoS and Superior are really not a
    whole lot like Tiles in terms of the instrumentation or the type of sound
    or music they put out, but I think each band is tight as hell, and terrific
    at what they do. I think I was trying to make a comparison between the
    quality and diversity of Tiles, PoS, and Superior. Perhaps in my mind,
    bands that I really enjoy listening to are all lumped together just because
    they rock, not because of any particular style or sound they tend towards.

    Sorry if that wasn't clear, because it wasn't :)

    Jim Mckenzie, you need to chill out. Korg was kidding, and doing a damn
    good job of it :) You seriously think DT would put out a song entirely in
    French? Get your head checked!

    Thank you Skadz for reiterating my (and others) wish NOT to be told
    anything about the album until the 26th (or thereabout). But a complete
    ban on anything regarding the new album? We are DT fans, foaming at the
    mouth, and we can't talk about the new album on their very mailing list? I
    think Korg should get a lift on this ban - I love reading his skewed takes
    on this topic. Plus, I think most of us are jaded enough not to take
    anything seriously until a veteran speaks confirming or denying anything.
    I, for one, don't believe for a second the album has the same name as a
    Mike Bahr bootleg, so rumors about that aren't affecting me much. We love
    to speculate, I don't think that should be considered illegal. And even if
    someone did come here and let the cat out of the bag, it isn't going to be
    a terrible tragedy. My eyes won't shrivel up upon reading the coveted
    album info...We are a mailing list, we should talk about the new album.
    What the hell else would we talk about? All the morons who won't turn off
    their mime and who subscribe incorrectly?

    Peace. Off to orchestra rehearsal.

    Jon

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:04:09 -0500
    From: "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
    To: "ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Ytsejam mailing list T shirts.
    Message-ID: <000b01befeec$4ecc4760$4f71fea9@jeremyku>

    Since the mailing list has moved, I was wondering if someone (with more free
    time than me) would consider creating a new DT shirt, correct me if I'm
    wrong but wasn't Pat Griffen the last person to do it? Maybe he'll be
    interested in doing a new batch. I know that I couldn't get the size that I
    wanted last time, so I couldn't buy one. I'd really like to see a new one
    made. What does Skadz think of this? Do we need to get his "blessing" to
    create a t shirt or is ytsejam merchandise free of permission? Skadz, in
    your next post to the jam could you make that clear so that we might be able
    to take this a step further. Thanks, J
    Jeremy Kube
    Oklahoma State University
    Fire Protection and Safety Engineering Technology Major
    inflammabl@aol.com
    kube@fullnet.net
    "Sex is Death, Death is Sex. It says it right here on my crucifix!"
    Dream Theater.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:04:10 EDT
    From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Non-DT-related: In regards to all the talk about the new album...
    Message-ID: <19990914200411.5311.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Hello all. For anyone who hangs out in #ytsejam on IRC, this is Marek.
    This is my first post to the 'jam... I've been lurking for quite a while
    now, perusing the digests for any little tidbits of info that caught my eye.
      What have I noticed most? What is most prevalent? It seems to me that
    people really LOVE to repeat what other people have said. Take, for
    instance, this talk about the new album. Half of the posts talk of why we
    should be able to spill the beans, and the other half why we shouldn't --
    but all in all, people just keep saying the same things over and over. ;)

    Now for something music-related -- I haven't done much surfing for this, I
    guess I will spend the rest of my workday checking it out, but I have not
    been able find any Pain of Salvation sites. I'd love to get some background
    info on the band, tour info, concert reviews, news on a new album... maybe
    even live audio/footage (of course, for listening to it only once... I'd
    never actually KEEP the files, and MOST CERTAINLY wouldn't burn them to CD!)
    if such a thing exists... If you know of any sites, let me know. It
    probably wouldn't hurt to send it to the list...

    Finally, I ordered Lemur Voice's "Divided" over a month ago from
    MOREMETAL.COM. It's still not here... Marcel said it was backordered
    there. Does anyone have an idea of when these CDs might get shipped? I'm
    dying to get the CD -- I am really into Marcel's playing, what I've heard of
    it.

    By the way, have any of you heard of a band called Esthero? I've been
    passing out a few mp3s to people, trying to get the interest up in this
    band. The people I've send the mp3s to on #ytsejam have dug the music... if
    you're interested, they're a beat-driven/hip-hop (don't scoff, this stuff is
    good!)/jazz/rock sound, with female vocals. This is not "proggressive" in
    terms of "prog rock/metal" but it certain has it's own distinctive sound,
    and in that way, it's helping music to "progress" ... so doesn't that make
    it "progressive"? :)

    Jeff

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:36:26 PDT
    From: "Simon Asselin" <simon_asselin@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: korg's agressive attitude
    Message-ID: <19990914203627.33743.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Man, you need to take a valium. If you can get worked up and be that
    agressive over the release of a music recording, you should go outside, take
    a deep breath and try to think again about it.

    Would your conscience really be affected if you listened to a record prior
    to it's release date?? To each his own I guess, but you sure have
    interesting priorities in life.

    >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:25:11 -0600
    >From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    >To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    >Subject: Think about it.
    >Message-ID: <002501befed6$1e48da60$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
    >
    >
    > >>will buy it. We are "the hardcore" fans and we have desires to know
    >about
    > >>the new album! Get up pumped, Skidmarks or whatever your name is!
    >
    >You people never fail to amaze me. Firstly, I think everyone who is so
    >achingly starved for information on the new album is an ignorant buffoon.
    >I
    >believe one way or another, you'll end up getting all of the information
    >you
    >want. I highly believe that no matter what Skadz tries to do, someone's
    >going to spill the beans here in spite of losing their privileges (unless
    >he
    >goes about studiously reading every 'jam before publishing it). But, you
    >efficacious morons, I am willing to bet that you WILL regret diving into
    >the
    >album before listening to it. If you have any sort of conscience, you're
    >going to look back in a year and realize what asses you were.
    >
    >Discovery is a great feeling. Picture yourself as Chris Columbus. Would
    >you rather revel in the excitement of being on the Santa Maria when the
    >lookout shouts "Land Ho!" and waiting for that awesome three days as you
    >slowly see the New World open up to you, the excitement so high you piss
    >you
    >pants? Or would you rather have someone tell you all about the New World
    >in
    >complete detail, about the people, the places, show you pictures of it...
    >and then have everything all "Ho Hum" when you get there? Think about it.
    >
    >I agree with Trent on the matter that we don't owe DT anything, we have a
    >mutual relationship, but they respect their fans we should respect them
    >back. They're a great bunch of people and if we'd like them to remain a
    >great bunch of people we should respect them as they respect us. They
    >don't
    >want discussion of the new album, end of story. If you can't honor that,
    >you're a lousy sack of shit soaked in stagnant urine, the kind of person
    >who
    >would go piss on John Kennedy's grave and say, "Well, he never did anything
    >for ME!"
    >
    >So, either sit here and deal with it or go back to your AOL boards full of
    >13 year old k3Wld3wDs, but I'll tell you, if everything goes to plan, this
    >list is going to be a great place to be on DT99 release day. :)
    >--
    >KorgX3 gets off his soapbox on this topic for good.
    >NP: Titanic.mp3

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:59:55 EDT
    From: WAxlRose01@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5066
    Message-ID: <1333a7bf.2510114b@aol.com>

    (I'm writing to this address becuase I'm not sure how to post a message onto
    the list..)

    This goes out to korgx3@safelink.net, and also applies generally to everyone
    else.

    Let me preface with the reminder that Dream Theater owes each one of us
    nothing, and in turn, we owe them nothing. (Geometric Reflective Property,
    in case you're interested.)
    As it was pretty clearly stated before, they write songs. We pay them money
    so we can listen to the songs. No one's doing anyone special favors here.
    The band can ask about respecting their wishes to keep quiet about the new
    album 'till the cows come home. None of us is obligated to do it. If you
    have a respect for the band, then don't. Some people prefer not to go out
    into the store and dish out (what is unfortunately running close to 20
    dollars in some stores these days) for an album that turns out to be a piece
    of crap. There's no reason to throw insults around becuase there are people
    who have a different opinion than you, but if you want to get on that train -
    you're penis is obviously diminuative, your mother forfeited her purity to me
    at your conception, and you're easily the ugliest son of a bitch that God
    accidentally placed on this Earth, thus negating my second comment that you
    could even be somehow related to me. Do us all a favor, and next time, when
    you're thinking about posting something else to this list, insert your foot
    into your mouth ahead of time.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:02:48 EDT
    From: Sebast87@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: new Vanden Plas
    Message-ID: <5aa8a5c.251011f8@aol.com>

    Far Off Grace kicks ass! it's really amazing, everything is better than in
    the God Thing.
    Gunter Werno is the perfect guy to put between Kevin Moore and Derek
    Sherinian. The keyboards sound modern and punchy, the bass/drums have been
    boosted too and Andy Kuntz is fine too.
    In the limited edition, there is a mini booklet of 32 pages with photos of
    the members when they were young.
    You can hear a sample at my website, check it out!
    SebasT
    http://members.aol.com/sebast87/page1.htm

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:13 EDT
    From: Scarred2112@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Can't we all just get along?
    Message-ID: <405f0450.25101301@aol.com>

    First of all, can we all agree on one thing?
    We all care very much about DT and their music!
    Now, if Mike and Co. have decided to not release any information on the new
    album, there's NOTHING we can do about it. Period. End of story. Get used
    to it!
    However-If we're being told that we can't even theorize about it (possible
    titles, will Metropolis II be on it? Will they use any FII leftovers?), that
    just smacks against everything that has made "our" band. Face it, DT is a
    relatively small band that is sustained by the strength of it's fans. WE got
    ACOS released, when any other band wouldn't have had the fan support to do
    so! If WE want to talk about what WE think is on the CD, WE will find a way!
     Censorship just plain sucks!
    Ian

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:59 -0700
    From: John Tracy <jtracy@swbell.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Preview Of Dream Theater's New Album!
    Message-ID: <000d01beff06$1a97df80$b217c1cf@jtracy>

    If you really want to hear something from the new album early: download the
    third studio movie at www.mikeportnoy.com . It contains about twenty
    seconds of a soft piano piece with John on acoustic guitar. Most of you
    know about this I'm sure, but maybe some of you who aren't patient enough to
    wait for the album will be tided over for a good minute and a half. : )

    -John T.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:15:36 -0500
    From: "Lisa Centorrino" <ytsedragyn@worldnet.att.net>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: Ytsejam mailing list T shirts.
    Message-ID: <000f01befef6$addcef20$185d0e3f@549189021worldnet.att.net>

    Hey all...

    The last batch came from Joshua Rasiel I believe... (jrasiel@bigfoot.com
    last i heard) he was living in NY at the time, but I don't know what is up
    with him. As it happens I'm on the prowl for another ytsejam shirt so, Josh,
    are there any left? Are you even out there?? :}

    ~Lisa
    YtseDragyn@worldnet.att.net
    YtseDrgn on IRC ~ ICQ# 42437079 ~ YtseDragyn13 on AIM
    Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons
                     For you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:35:11 -0600 (MDT)
    From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Puhleeeezzzz!!!!!!!!!!
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.990914145303.30162A-100000@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca>

            Since everyone else has put their two cents worth in.......

            As with many of you, the anticipation is quite frankly killing me.
    To start shitting all over the band, though, because they want to keep
    things a surprise for their fans is absolutely assinine to the nth degree.
    So many other bands and purveyors of entertainment would completely
    capitialize on this anticipation and milk it for all it's worth until it
    became nothing more than a heaping pile of overblown POOT...for more on
    this subject see Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. DT has
    undoubtedly given more to their fans than any other band in the way of
    free clinics, Christmas shows and CD's, and all around great music. Those
    of us who call ourselves true DT fans should in return show our
    appreciation to the band by honouring their simple request. For those of
    you who do not take kindly to the element of surprise, I urge you to
    listen to Casey Kasem's Top 40 or check out the Billboard Hot 100...you
    won't be disappointed. The true DT fans will wait patiently and judge for
    themselves unbiasedly on October 26th...

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