YTSEJAM Digest 5076
Today's Topics:
1) A comment
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5075
by Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
3) wait for the CD !
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
4) MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
5) Get The Rudess Experiment CD
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
6) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by "Toby Guidry" <stranger@cajunnet.com>
7) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
8) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
10) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com>
11) Lack of UK Dates
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
12) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
13) blex reviews q2k
by "Mike Kramer" <blexkin3@hotmail.com>
14) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com>
15) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
16) Maiden on the radio!
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
17) New Discipline!
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
18) Re: it's the little things, really
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
19) Lordy, lordy
by "Larry" <ldo1@prodigy.net>
20) Tour dates
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:39:04 +0200
From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: A comment
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990921153904.006f71c0@online.no>
I'll just add a little comment to the ban-rule "discussion":
I look at the world and see no understanding
I'm waiting to find some sense of strength
I'm begging you from the bottom of my heart to show some understanding
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:31:49 -0400
From: Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5075
Message-ID: <37E7A4E5.1C713787@udel.edu>
>
> > Well, I picked it up today, and my opinion thus far
> is mixed.
>
> Not to pick on Chris, but this is what is unfair to a
> band. How can anyone give a realistic review of a
> recording after one day?
>
> I highly suggest that people give the new DT (or any
> new recording) at least a week of listening before
> giving out your comments (especially any negative
> comments).
>
Well, I did say a little later on in the post that the CD was better on the second listen, but you're
right...two listens really isn't enough to pass final judgement on a CD. In all fairness, I am actually
starting to genuinely like the CD. Not to imply that it's a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination,
it's just good. Just not good compared to the remainder of Queesryche's work, and that is where the problem
lies for most listeners. I think the CD would be greatly improved had they not gone with the overly
processed back-up vocals on every freaking track of the CD. I know they wanted to do something different,
and I appreciate the effort, but it takes away the hook to the song, and therefore just doesn't quite work.
Another problem I have lies with the lyrical content. Past QR CDs have always tended to have an underlying
theme to the entire CD, and that is something that seems to be lacking in Q2K. Maybe it's there and I just
haven't found it yet, but I've been searching to no avail for about 5 listens now. We'll see how this CD
stands up after a few months, then we can really pass judgement on it.
-- Chris Jerolamon ckj@udel.edu------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:07:35 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: wait for the CD ! Message-ID: <000701bf044b$6b44ea00$713b88cf@jammer>
>From: Toneadd9@aol.com >Subject: DT mp3 > >hey dude, > > the DT songs were taken off before I could >grab em, can u send em to me >or tell me where I can grab em off the net? > >thanx in advance. >t.
aww man... just wait for the CD to come out and get it then! why not? The new DT will blow all of our socks off, that's for sure. Surely you can wait... heh
JM
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:30:44 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990921193044.0094b970@mail.surffi.net>
First of it's kind, aint it?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-114511.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif?st.ne
op777
Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Kevin Madden
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:41:35 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Get The Rudess Experiment CD Message-ID: <000c01bf0450$2b544120$713b88cf@jammer>
]From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <hkemppinen@hotmail.com> Subject: DT bootlegs
> >hey everyone... > >I thought about getting into bootleg collecting and >would like to know which bootlegs would be the best >for starters. I'd also like to hear some >opinions about two boots: precious things and the >Rudess experiment. are they worth getting? >(the tracklists are phenomenal!) > >thanks > >-the mushroom
Hell yeah! The Rudess Experiment is awesome. Jordan playing Dream Theater material....reading from SHEET MUSIC in concert... The man is amazing. And the keyboard mix is up so you can definitely hear Jordan.
JM
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:16:14 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" <stranger@cajunnet.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <031001bf0455$024daf00$13a3fbce@latelco.com>
O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> wrote: > First of it's kind, aint it? > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-114511.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif?st.ne
Yep. I bet, if the RIAA doesn't bog them down in lawsuits, that it sells like hotcakes. Ever since the Rio came out, I've been waiting for someone to come up with one of these.
L8r, Toby
http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:23:53 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <007801bf0456$1b31a480$5e068ad1@boner>
> First of it's kind, aint it? > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-114511.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif?st.ne > > op777
There have been a couple attempts in the past to create something like this for a Senior Design Project at my school. I think there is a group working on it again this year. interesting, but i still think that mp3s are a step backwards from cds, just like cassette tapes were a step back from records. just my opinion though. later.
Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://polzin.home.mindspring.com
CD Liner Downloads http://members.xoom.com/polzin322
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909211547190.39392-100000@localhost>
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Edward Polzin wrote:
> There have been a couple attempts in the past to create something like > this for a Senior Design Project at my school. I think there is a > group working on it again this year. interesting, but i still think > that mp3s are a step backwards from cds, just like cassette tapes were > a step back from records. just my opinion though. later.
While this may be a step back from CDs aurally, it offers a MUCH bigger gain in storage space. CD audio discs can only store 74 minutes of data, which a CD-ROM filled with MP3s stores (at 128Kbps) about 650 minutes of data, or ten HOURS worth of music. That's a HUGE gain for people who, say, don't like to switch CDs very often - they can just put all their favorite DT albums, for example, on one CD and tote that around instead of having to put them in a changer or switch discs a lot.
I know I'd buy this if I had $300 to spend. I definitely think it'd be worth it. And just think: You wouldn't have to put a PC in your car to have a ton of MP3 music.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <19990921202015.13908.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
--- Toby Guidry <stranger@cajunnet.com> wrote: > Yep. I bet, if the RIAA doesn't bog them down in > lawsuits, that it sells > like hotcakes. Ever since the Rio came out, I've > been waiting for someone > to come up with one of these. > > L8r, > Toby
I think the RIAA will jump all over Pine, but it won't help. It didn't work with Rio, it won't work with Pine. I personally am living for the day when regular CD players can play mp3s. That will be cool. Just think-- you could fit I&W, Awake and probably FII also all on to the same CD-R. Not bad for a day's work. === *Trent
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:01:37 CDT From: "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <19990921220137.69378.qmail@hotmail.com>
>While this may be a step back from CDs aurally, it offers a MUCH >bigger >gain in storage space. CD audio discs can only store 74 minutes of Perhaps I'm just an audiophile, but I can hear a very significant different between cd's and mp3's. I like mp3's for hearing new artists and bands, but if I'm actually gonna listen to music seriously, I just won't settle for them. I'd just rather have beautiful sound and switch cd's. -Andy
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:44:09 EDT From: DTGirl2612@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Lack of UK Dates Message-ID: <fa293a04.25197249@aol.com>
Charlie Farrell wrote:
>>Hell instead of bitching about it why don't we organise a bus - or even a mini-bus and get our asses over to one of the gigs in Belgium or Holland. Its not a solution that everyone can afford I know - but it can be done, it can be great fun and the audiences generally have a better attitude than you'll find in the UK. >>
Great idea BUT we shouldn't HAVE to do this and just before Christmas most of us are wondering how we are gonna afford the pressies for our families and friends. There should be at least a London date.......... but if it is necessary the Brussels date would be a good one because it is a Friday night (12 Nov).
>>Well we're getting 3 dates from MP - we're not being totally forgotten.>>
Excellent stomping drums from Mike himself at the Birmingham Drumfest I must say - but that was his first ever drum clinic here and he has been doing them for some time now! Also he said that, although 26 October is the official 'worldwide' release date for the next album, this is not yet confirmed in the UK. Can anyone offer further info on this ? (private e-mail if necessary)
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:37:15 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <00ca01bf0492$a35ed260$5e068ad1@boner>
> Perhaps I'm just an audiophile, but I can hear a very significant different > between cd's and mp3's. I like mp3's for hearing new artists and bands, but > if I'm actually gonna listen to music seriously, I just won't settle for > them. I'd just rather have beautiful sound and switch cd's.
My point exactly. I understand all the technical specifications, and i do agree that they are a great way to sample music over the internet, but i wouldnt pay money for them as a final product. of course, i've been told that it depends on what software you use to encode mp3s affects the quality. but i still havent heard anything that is as nice as cds, even at the 160kbs rating.
on another note, what do others think about the success or failure of mp3.com? In my opinion, they went public too early. the mp3 format was invented for the purpose of having "cd quality" music to trade over the internet. i havent met one person who collects mp3s say they would actually pay for the music they are listening to. they see it as a way to get free music, which really hurts the marketability of the product. as long as it's available for free for those who know where to find it, they arent going to pay for it? later.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:15:03 PDT From: "Mike Kramer" <blexkin3@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: blex reviews q2k Message-ID: <19990922011503.1321.qmail@hotmail.com>
I think i've posted here once in the past couple of years or so but after hearing q2k i must say...this album fucking...SUCKS!
i can't believe how shitty this is..and to think this is the same band that gave us operation mindcrime! what a joke this album is pure garbage it sounds like the verve pipe or something alternative
5 thumbs down 25/10 rating
ok good bye
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:38:59 CDT From: "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <19990922013859.40992.qmail@hotmail.com>
>My point exactly. I understand all the technical specifications, and i do >agree that they are a great way to sample music over the internet, but i >wouldnt pay money for them as a final product. of course, i've been told >that it depends on what software you use to encode mp3s affects the >quality. >but i still havent heard anything that is as nice as cds, even at the >160kbs >rating. It just isn't possible. The whole reason mp3's get the incrediable compression they get is that they remove some portion of the spectrum from the sound. The algorithm is chosen so that the 'least important' parts are what are lost, but on a decent stereo (ie not standard crappy computer speakers) what is lost is the fullness and richness of the sound. You simply cannot get something for nothing. -Andy
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <19990922021516.9200.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com>
--- Edward Polzin <polzin@mindspring.com> wrote: > the mp3 format was > invented for the purpose of having "cd quality" > music to trade over the > internet.
No it wasn't. That's what it's been used for, but the original purpose for mp3 was to store music on interactive CDs. Whatever that means. It ultimate use has extended past it's original invention. As far as mp3 goes, I think people make too big deal of them. I personally am waiting for the next generation in digital music. Mp3s are good, but they're only Phase One IMHO. The best is yet to come. === *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; if it gets to cheesy, it's your own fault." Me
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:29:26 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Maiden on the radio! Message-ID: <19990921.213333.4262.3.schnapster@juno.com>
Holy shit. I am listening to Run to the Hills on the radio right now (and no, I didn't request it, either :). The local classic rock station (96.7 KCMQ in Columbia, MO) is playing it. This is truly a great day :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:42:49 -0400 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New Discipline! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990921224249.00a91e50@cs.millersv.edu>
>I am speaking of a live disc by the band DISCIPLINE, called "INTO THE >DREAM," being released on Syzygy Records.
Alright! Discipline are an incredible band. I was lucky enough to catch them at Phantasmagoria last year -- didn't realize how infrequently they play gigs at the time. If anybody thinks they might be into some piano-heavy and generally heavy prog (not metal mind you), Discipline would be an excellent band to check out. Can't go wrong with either of their albums, though I prefer the second one, "Unfolded Like Staircase".
Speaking of Discipline shows...did anybody here go to this year's Progday? I would've had there been a few more "big" name acts, but seeing as how there weren't, I couldn't really rationalize trekking the many hours it'd take to get to North Carolina.
Brian
[NP...Carl Stalling -- The Carl Stalling Project Volume 2]
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: it's the little things, really Message-ID: <199909220406.AAA16607@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:18:29 PDT > From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> > Subject: it's the little things, really >
> 3) I have one of those original Ytsejam shirts, the ones Jason Giles > created and sold way back in 1995....if you have one, or remember > the details of it, he put "dream theater" in the old font on the > back, and another line underneath, in glow in the dark lettering. > > It's been a while, maybe a year and more since i noticed the glow in > the dark quality of that last line, but last night I was doing my > laundry in the basement, and pulled that shirt out of the washer and > was about to put it in the dryer. > > and I just glanced at it for a second, and saw that line, and > remembered the glow in the dark quality, and wondered whether, after > 4 years, it still glowed. So i reached up to the string attached to > the light, and yanked. And there before me, in the absolute > otherwise pitch dark, glowed the words, "let the light surround > you..."
Wow, just pulled mine out of the closet, sat it under my florescent (sp???) light for a min, and woudln't you know, it still glows as well... doesn't last for long -- only about 30 seconds, but cool to see it still "works"...
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:08:11 -0600 From: "Larry" <ldo1@prodigy.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Lordy, lordy Message-ID: <000701bf04c0$dad09d40$04000005@uswc.uswest.com>
Charlie Farrell wrote: > > I'm very happy though to join the esteemed group of 40+ jammers such > as Larry (haven't seen him post in a while) and Mr Galop :-)) We've > lived through the golden days of 70's prog, Punk, NWOBHM, Hair > metal, Grunge and we're still going strong. >
Hey thanks for the mention, Charlie - I'm still here and haven't missed a 'jam since the 500's (not the year, you jackasses - the digest). Anybody out there wanna challenge me as "Oldest Jammer"? Birthdate: May 2, 1954. On a related note, I became a grandfather on April 1st this year (yea, really!!) while I was on my honeymoon (second marriage). Very weird . . .
Larry
AKA Ytsefart the Elder
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:19:47 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Tour dates Message-ID: <37E7DA53.FFF3FE3@mol.com.mk>
> From: "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg> > > Dushko wrote: > >Yo Mike, don't forget the hell of a show in Budapest last year, don't > >say it wasn't worth, and DO drop by again! How about expanding this year > >a little bit? Bulgaria maybe... > FUCK YEAH! HELL YEAH!
LOL, guess where's he from? ;)
> I second that... But unfortunately it's close to impossible :(
sniff ... but I have hope still
> >or hey ... why not Macedonia? Heck, if Tony Bler, Hillary, Billy > >Boy, Solana, Olbrait, Richard Gere could all > >come in 2 months - why can't you? :) > > ROTFLMOF!!!!!!!! :-)))))) > Not to mention Julio Iglesias :-))))))))))))))))))))
That was supposed to be secret punk! :) I don't need any further public embarassment.
> From: Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee> > Okay, avoiding an entire country is bad enough, but people who > come undone when the band (cough cough) does not play in their city.
Electir chair man, that's the solution for those.
> Macedonians can take the time to check out concerts in Hungary
Cough, cough, errrrr, right now, it's SINGULAR, not PLURAL! :) -- CyberDuke ________________________________________________
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