YTSEJAM Digest 5077
Today's Topics:
1) The fuss over MP3s...
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
2) New Type O Negative (NDTC)
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
3) MP3 and Vinnie Moore
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
4) Re: The fuss over MP3s...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) Malmsteen
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
6) mp3 vs. cds
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
7) Re: The fuss over MP3s...
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) Mindcrimer and other sundries
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
9) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
by "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
11) MP3s topic
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Re: The fuss over MP3s...
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
13) Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
14) RE: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
15) Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
16) Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
17) re: maiden on the radio
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
18) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
19) RE: maiden on the radio
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
20) Re: MP3s topic
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
21) Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
22) Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
by Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:44:15 EDT
From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The fuss over MP3s...
Message-ID: <19990922144415.23808.qmail@hotmail.com>
There's a lot of talk about MP3s these days.. in fact, Creative Labs
released a small device that will play MP3s. It costs $150 or about that,
and stores one hour of music on 32 megabytes. For an additional 32MB
add-on, you pay another $150, and you have your portable MP3 player.
Now, I'm not sure if you guys have heard of this OTHER format, from
Yamaha, but they have come up with an encoder and compressor for the VQF
format. These are smaller than MP3s (take longer to encode as well) because
at a lower bitrate, say 96kbits/sec, is better in sound quality of an MP3
encoded at 128kbits/sec. I had read that MP3s loose a lot of their
highfrequencies when being encoded due to the compression algorhythms, but
these VQFs are supposed to be much better at compression. You can hear the
difference. The VQFs are crisp-sounding, and on my speakers, I couldn't
tell the difference between the VQF and the CD version of the song I was
listening to (Incubus' "Certain Shade of Gray")
What Yamaha SHOULD be doing is promoting this format more. I haven't
heard anything about VQF in a long time, and I'm not sure why, because they
clearly sound better than MP3s. Smaller files also mean more storage on a
CD-R or any other media.. Yamaha, where are you?
For whoever it was that said, "MP3s are going to loose quality, because
when they are compressed, certain unimportant frequencies are removed, and
when it's played back on a good stereo it looses the richness and fullness."
I am sure I'm not quoting this correctly, and I might be combining two
quotes :) but I think this is a misconception. CDs are made of just data,
like any file on your harddrive. When you PKZIP a file, it gets compressed,
sometimes more than others (TXT vs. EXE, for example) but it loses no
information. When you uncompress that TXT file, no letters are missing.
That's what an MP3 player does.. it uncompresses as it plays. I think it's
the MP3 algorhythm that causes the loss in audio quality, NOT the
compression of the CD audio. I remember MP3ing a song for a friend, and
using one encoder... I did it a few times, because at 64kbs, the sound was
wishy-washy... You know what I mean. I downloaded another encoder,
mp3.producer (I think) and encoded at 64kbs and it sounded much better.
To wrap up, VQF kicks MP3's ass. :) The problem with MP3s and loss of
audio quality are due to the way CD audio is compressed into MP3 format --
But *NOT* because it is compressed.
Anyone else have thoughts on this? Has anyone even heard of the VQF format,
besides me and my fellow #trax-ers?
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:52:41 -0500
From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: New Type O Negative (NDTC)
Message-ID: <001101bf0512$89ac8bc0$cbdd1a93@tugmutton.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
I just thought I'd throw a quick note here on the 'jam about the
new Type O Negative album, "World Coming Down". It's excellent. Plain and
simple. As far as a comparison I'd say it sounds kind of like a cross
between the previous two releases, "October Rust" and "Bloody Kisses" and
with some new twists thrown in. "October Rust" is still my favorite, but
this new one is growing on me more and more every time I hear it, and I
loved it the first time I heard it. Do pick it up!
- Wolfric P. Tugmuton tugmutton@toast.net
"Did you hear about the new pirate movie? It's rated 'Aaaaarrrrrgh!'" -
Unknown
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:42:16 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3 and Vinnie Moore
Message-ID: <000f01bf0519$71e4bb00$013ca8c0@madstation>
This thing is cool. :) But actually, there was a Japanese company like...
Noyo or something that began with an N and was 2 syllables, that was
advertising these at least a year ago. Don't know what happened there. The
following 2 URLS also do this, but their products dont look as peachy keen.
http://www.macpower.com.tw/MP3/MP3.htm
http://www.zg169.net/~vsco/mpcd.html
As for those of you who say that it's a step backwards, and that you can
notice a difference between a 160kbps MP3 and a CD, I would love to put you
to the test sometime, because I really do have to doubt you. Maybe the
encoders or the players you're using suck, or something in the AD / DA is
fuxored, but I;d go so far as to say that most of the people on this list
probably couldn't tell a 128kbps MP3 from a cd. The human ear makes a lot
of generalizations.
New Vinnie Moore fans on this list now, huh? Check out his new disc (newest
disc... came out this year) The Maze. He's back in fine form, after two
mediocre albums. If you like his vibe, check out Tony MacAlpine's Maximum
Security, Becker's Perpetual Burn, Friedman's Dragon Kiss, and maybe even
Yngwie's first 2 albums. If you want to see how far this genre goes into
the realm of sickening technical virtuousity, check out George Bellas's
first album. I guess he has a new album in the works, but his drummer said
it's too complex, and that he couldn't play it. :)
Oh, and Racer X is back, working on a new album, with the ORIGINAL LINEUP!
Great news for you bassists and fellow guitarists out there, eh?
http://www.paulgilbert.com/paulgilbert/news.html
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:53:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: The fuss over MP3s...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909221251080.42805-100000@localhost>
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Jeff Storck wrote:
> For whoever it was that said, "MP3s are going to loose quality,
> because when they are compressed, certain unimportant frequencies are
> removed, and when it's played back on a good stereo it looses the
> richness and fullness."
> I am sure I'm not quoting this correctly, and I might be combining
> two quotes :) but I think this is a misconception. CDs are made of
> just data, like any file on your harddrive. When you PKZIP a file, it
> gets compressed, sometimes more than others (TXT vs. EXE, for example)
> but it loses no information. When you uncompress that TXT file, no
> letters are missing. That's what an MP3 player does.. it uncompresses
> as it plays. I think it's the MP3 algorhythm that causes the loss in
> audio quality, NOT the compression of the CD audio. I remember MP3ing
> a song for a friend, and using one encoder... I did it a few times,
> because at 64kbs, the sound was wishy-washy... You know what I mean.
> I downloaded another encoder, mp3.producer (I think) and encoded at
> 64kbs and it sounded much better.
Actually, there is an error in your thinking. There are TWO types of
compression, lossy and non-lossy. ZIP files use non-lossy compression,
which means that if you had a whole text file full of "The quick brown
fox", it would compress it much better because all it would have to do is
make a new ZIP file that said something like "The quick brown fox (100)"
if you typed it 100 times (obviously, this isn't how ZIP files work, but
it's a good example).
Lossy formats, on the other hand, compress by removing data, just as that
person said. So when you encode an MP3, it really does lose data. That's
why if you uncompress an MP3, it doesn't sound better than when it's just
an MP3. If it were the case, you would have an uncompressed file that
sounded exactly like the original, which doesn't happen.
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someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can
do is take out your money, and piss on it while
mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get
scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll
have to wash your money."
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:42:22 +0200
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Malmsteen
Message-ID: <000201bf0527$b6f77f80$46e91dc3@sasa>
hi!
i`m just wondering when the new Malmsteen album will be released? exact date
anyone? I looked at www.yngwiemalmsteen.com but i haven`t found a specific
date...
thanx
NP: Pink Floyd [Live In Venice] - Comfortably numb
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:21:24 -0700
From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: mp3 vs. cds
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990922111606.0095e1a0@sc.llu.edu>
>From: "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com>
>Perhaps I'm just an audiophile, but I can hear a very significant different
>between cd's and mp3's. I like mp3's for hearing new artists and bands, but
>if I'm actually gonna listen to music seriously, I just won't settle for
I have to agree with ya on this Andy. I don't prefer cds over mp3s because
of the legal stuff necessarily. I like the sound of cds so much more than
mp3. I'm an audiophile myself and if someday something comes out that
sounds better than a cd to me, I'll try it (not including the md players
that are out that are SO expensive, and have basically no media being
produced for them--at least media I like. 8-) ).
Mp3 files are cool for bootlegs and stuff I want to preview or whatever,
but I gotta have that perfect sound when I decide if I like something.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The fuss over MP3s...
Message-ID: <19990922182815.5868.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- Jeff Storck <jtstor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone else have thoughts on this? Has anyone even
> heard of the VQF format,
> besides me and my fellow #trax-ers?
>
> Jeff
I've heard of it. I never knew much about it until
you informed us all about it. I hope it takes mp3's
place as the digital standard for online music. Is
VQF smaller in size to an mp3 of the same song encoded
at the same bitrate? I think people are making way to
big a deal out of mp3. Has anyone heard Liquid Audio?
I wasn't considering downloading that shit (I like my
music free, thank you) but I was curious as to it's
sound quality.
=====
*Trent
"Life is like a nacho; if it gets to cheesy, it's your own fault."
Me
"There's a lot of people coming up to me and they say 'hey Eddie, remember me from high school?' Hey, man, I've smoked a lot of pot since then. I don't know who the fuck you are."
Eddie Vedder, 11-2-93, San Diego
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:41 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Mindcrimer and other sundries
Message-ID: <199909221847.LAA15039@fugazi.torchsong.com>
I rememeber that guy! He used to post to rec.music.queensryche
almost continuously about what a lousy guitarist Petrucci is.
Then he subscribed to this list and proceeded to spew his venom
here. Though he did have some legit points, I think he got the
message that this was the wrong place to trash DT and he unsubscribed
or got banned or something. That guy was cool. He simply did
not give a shit. His continual insistence on writing antisocial
commentary on DT despite the names he was being called and the death
threats he received make him a bastion of fortitude as far as I'm
concerned :).
Speaking of QR, does anyone have any comments on the album's
production? HITNF was horrid production-wise, which is the main
reason I don't listen to it. Is Q2K any better?
Well, I guess that's only one sundry. Deal.
-an aural hand-
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:55:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
Message-ID: <19990922195543.19153.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com>
]From: "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps I'm just an audiophile, but I can hear a
very significant
> difference between cd's and mp3's.
I agree. As a matter of fact, I read somewhere that
the next step in audiophile cd's is to use all of the
new technology (and space) available to make digital
music better. They plan on increasing the sampling
rate (up to 30mhz?) and extending the frequency
response (beyond 20hz-20khz). So you will have a cd
with about the same time capacity (74 minutes), but
with a much higher quality.
The funny thing is, you will never be able to upgrade
all the recordings made with current digital
technology. Only recordings made with analog source
could take advantage of being remastered into a new
digital technology...(Of course you could do it with a
current digital recording, but it would be like
putting a cassette bootleg onto a cd. You wouldn't be
taking full advantage of the new technology).
my $.02, BH
hmmm...Does DT have all of their recordings on a
analog source somewhere?
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:18:33 +0200
From: "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199909222118330220.000F7381@mail.iol.it>
Great double cd LIVE containing songs from the LTE Live Show in=
Philadelphia 01/22/99.
The audio quality is really good and the track list is:
CD1: Osmosis/Paradigm Shift/Kindred Spirits/Another Dimension/State of=
Grace/Freedom of speech
CD2: Biaxident/Mike & Tony/Chris & Kevin's Excellent adventure/JAm session=
/ Universal mind/Acid RAin Great cover art
Tell me ASAP,I've got many people who ask for it!!!
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:56:19 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3s topic
Message-ID: <37E92653.A0BD226F@mol.com.mk>
About the quality thang: I think, ... no, no, I KNOW that 128kbps MP3
has drastic worse sound quality than a CD, but do it at 256 kbps and you
have ummmmm ... the original quality! :) Now, we talk here about human
ears level of making difference. Realistically, there MUST be some loss,
but the point we care for is our ears range right? While it's true that
that range can differ from person to person, there is some average
range.
I've been messing with mp3s for half year already (grabbing, compressing
..) and so far I don't see difference between 256 kbps MP3 and the
original WAV! The final test I'm going to do in 1 week - connecting the
PC to my stereo, good speakers, amplifier 'n stuff, and play those mp3s
on it! If that time the sound is same as the CD - I have all my
available thumbs up for MP3s! :)
But don't kid yourself, 128 kbps mp3 is garbage quality!
Putting all DT albums on 128kbps mp3s on 1 CDR??? I don't think I would
fully enjoy DT's music on 128 kbps! :( It's just not possible.
The less music/instruments - go for bigger compression!
But if we're talking about full of sounds music, basses, trebles, all
those percussion stuff, cymbales, snares, flutes kinda things, clear
guitar tones - you'll notice difference even on 192 kbps! :(
While if it's only singing choirs for example, you can do it on 112 or
96 kbps and there won't be a difference!
Andy wrote:
> but on a decent stereo (ie not standard crappy computer
> speakers) what is lost is the fullness and richness of the
> sound. You simply cannot get something for nothing.
Yeah, it might be, exactly that's what I'm susspicious about - the
richness and fullness of the sound. Like, maybe those bass kicks won't
exactly tickle your feet thru floor ... Oh well, we should try it
anyway.
Trent wrote:
> I personally am waiting for the next generation in
> digital music. Mp3s are good, but they're only Phase
> One IMHO. The best is yet to come.
True, very true!
The only thing I care about is: I hope the whatever-later technology
comes, let it be compatibile for mp3s too, so that I can play my ancient
1999 collections of MP3s! :) I'm chopping my head off right now if I'm
doing all this mp3 crap in vain, if I can't listen them some 10, 20
years later! :) Really.
P.S. I bet my son will roll on the floor laughing when I tell him how
his dad used to download mp3s with 0.4 KB/s transfer, for hours and
hours, ... all those phone bills and unslept nights. Talking about
wasted time...
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:17:58 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The fuss over MP3s... Message-ID: <002701bf0537$90366f90$702010ac@DEMCCOR>
]From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The fuss over MP3s...
> I've heard of it. I never knew much about it until > you informed us all about it. I hope it takes mp3's > place as the digital standard for online music. Is > VQF smaller in size to an mp3 of the same song encoded > at the same bitrate? I think people are making way to
no, anything encoded at 128kb/sec will be 128kb times the number of seconds. the advantage of VQF is that a VQF file encoded at 96kbps sounds the same or better than an mp3 at 128. that's the argument anyway. so you get smaller size because you can use smaller bitrates without losing quality. moo.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:24:13 -0700 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!! Message-ID: <37E9651D.B23370C5@wezl.org>
To anyone who even considered this completely obsurd offer...just go download it from Lines in the Sand (forgot the url...something like http://www.dreamtheater.mit.edu) FOR FREE, or E-mail me and I'll hook you up with it for the mere cost of 2 blank CD's ($4?). People like this guy REALLY piss me off! You make the call, $4 or $30 for the same show...not to mention mine is digitally remastered so it probably sounds better too.
P.S. this is not to advertise myself, merely to keep people from getting ROBBED!!!
Guido Mercati wrote:
> Great double cd LIVE containing songs from the LTE Live Show in= > Philadelphia 01/22/99. > The audio quality is really good and the track list is: > CD1: Osmosis/Paradigm Shift/Kindred Spirits/Another Dimension/State of= > Grace/Freedom of speech > CD2: Biaxident/Mike & Tony/Chris & Kevin's Excellent adventure/JAm session= > / Universal mind/Acid RAin Great cover art > > Tell me ASAP,I've got many people who ask for it!!!
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:48:09 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AEA14@messaging>
> To anyone who even considered this completely obsurd offer...just go download > it from Lines in the Sand <snip>
I wholeheartedly agree - of course, the URL is http://dreamtheater.mit.edu. You were pretty damn close, though... :)
I burned a copy of the Philly boot about 4 months ago from Bogie's site, and yeah, you don't get the cool artwork unless you go to another site, download it, print it out, and stick it in the CD. Damn. Free CDs. With liner notes. Sorry dude, that's a NEGATIVE on the 30 bones.
Let's play *catch the movie reference*, shall we? Name the loose tie-in: "People who sell bootlegs ought to shampoo my crotch." :)
David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:08:54 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!! Message-ID: <009101bf053e$ad8c5670$702010ac@DEMCCOR>
> I burned a copy of the Philly boot about 4 months ago from Bogie's site, and > yeah, you don't get the cool artwork unless you go to another site, download > it, print it out, and stick it in the CD. Damn. Free CDs. With liner > notes. Sorry dude, that's a NEGATIVE on the 30 bones.
http://wsbf.clemson.edu/cowgod/boots/ltetft.zip (803K)
theres the artwork for that cd. i believe the tracks are divided slightly differently on the one scott put out (the one that is offered for sale and whose artwork is above), but i (or i assime scott as well, but i wont speak for him) will also burn it for you for the price of the 2 cds and postage or trade with you. moo.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:14:37 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!! Message-ID: <002d01bf053f$7a2cd420$b2589780@resnet.rochester.edu>
> Great double cd LIVE containing songs from the LTE Live Show in= > Philadelphia 01/22/99. > The audio quality is really good and the track list is: > CD1: Osmosis/Paradigm Shift/Kindred Spirits/Another Dimension/State of= > Grace/Freedom of speech > CD2: Biaxident/Mike & Tony/Chris & Kevin's Excellent adventure/JAm session= > / Universal mind/Acid RAin Great cover art > > Tell me ASAP,I've got many people who ask for it!!!
Wow.
Cool.
Um, guys? I've got a quick and easy solution for you concerning this two disc set. Well you see the thing is, I recorded it and enlisted the help of The Cow God to make the artwork that this person found to be nice....Anyway, I HATE TO SEE PEOPLE SELLING BOOTLEGS. And on top of it, ITS ONE THAT I RECORDED AND COULD HAVE MADE A FORTUNE SELLING MYSELF. So yah. Please don't sell bootlegs - especially ones I distributed hehehe :)
So those people who want to pay money for this? Guess what, I'm still trading for it. If you don't have anything to trade for, you can send me 4 blank discs and money for postage. If you don't want to do that, it's 5 bucks per disc to cover my costs and all that. So yes....Just thought you should know that there is an alternative to paying big money for someone else's work :)
Scott.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:33:16 -0700 From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: maiden on the radio Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990922142830.0095b140@sc.llu.edu>
>From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> >Holy shit. I am listening to Run to the Hills on the radio right now >(and no, I didn't request it, either :). The local classic rock station >(96.7 KCMQ in Columbia, MO) is playing it. This is truly a great day :).
Coolness. Out here in San Bernardino, CA where I live, that very song is played almost once a day on the station KCAL 96.7 it seems like. I hear Maiden (old stuff more often than not too) almost as often as I hear stuff like Led Zeppelin, which is very cool. One time a couple or three months ago during lunchtime, they played over half an hour of old maiden stuff in a row! Too bad more stations are not like that. Also, a very cool station to listen to, if you are ever out in Phoenix, AZ way, is KUPD. I forget the exact dial numbers but it's on the lower end. Check them out too, they play lots of heavy shit such as Pantera and the like. ------------------------------------------------------ I wonder how much deeper the oceans would be without sponges. Wesley Foll, Geology B.S., Loma Linda University http://www.redrival.com/wesfoll/main.html follwes@sc.llu.edu wfoll00g@ns.llu.edu beavis@ytseradio.com ICQ #4550740
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <199909222144.RAA19275@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> > Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. > > While this may be a step back from CDs aurally, it offers a MUCH > bigger gain in storage space. CD audio discs can only store 74 > minutes of data, which a CD-ROM filled with MP3s stores (at 128Kbps) > about 650 minutes of data, or ten HOURS worth of music. That's a > HUGE gain for people who, say, don't like to switch CDs very often - > they can just put all their favorite DT albums, for example, on one > CD and tote that around instead of having to put them in a changer > or switch discs a lot. > > I know I'd buy this if I had $300 to spend. I definitely think it'd > be worth it. And just think: You wouldn't have to put a PC in your > car to have a ton of MP3 music.
I've been checking on Pine's site every few days since this was posted to slashdot... This looks like a really great product (I just hope it doesn't become vaporware like several other similar products)... while I agree that MP3s don't sound as good when played on a good stereo, they are great when you are using htem in a portable player with cheap headphones, on vacation, at a gym, etc, when its much more important to carry around 1 CD, rather than a stack of CDs...
Now, when DVD audio comes around, they will really blow this sort of player out of the water (although imagine a DVD-r full of MP3s, that like thousands of hours of music -- an entire CD collection could be stored on 1 or 2 disks...)
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:52:45 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: maiden on the radio Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AEA15@messaging>
> Also, a very cool station > to listen to, if you are ever out in Phoenix, AZ way, is KUPD. I forget > the exact dial numbers but it's on the lower end. Check them out too, they > play lots of heavy shit such as Pantera and the like.
Yes, KUPD (97.9 in the Phoenix area) kicks ass - they play everything from Rush (heard "Limelight" this morning) to Pantera to Metallica, plus Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Queen. I've heard Symphony X's "Out of the Ashes" on more than one occasion on their Sunday night show, "Into the Pit". On that show they play death metal, black metal, progressive metal, goth metal, doom metal, etc. My point - they'll play anything that ends with "metal", and nothing else. Last Sunday it was "cover night", and they played Type O's "Day Tripper Medley", which was a cool preview to the new album (which also KICKS ASS, BTW)... :)
David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3s topic Message-ID: <19990922232613.877.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- CyberDuke laid it all on the line: > P.S. I bet my son will roll on the floor laughing > when I tell him how > his dad used to download mp3s with 0.4 KB/s > transfer, for hours and > hours, ... all those phone bills and unslept nights. > Talking about > wasted time...
Ah yes. This, my friend, is why you need to invest in a higher band width connection. Cable modems or DSL are excellent choices. I would pay $.2 for T1 b/c the whole idea is impractical for long term use and for home users.
Imagine, if you will, downloading an mp3 inside of one minute. Well with a cable modem or DSL-connection, so an imagining is realistic (unless you happen to be downloading "ACOS" from '93, but I digress) with these higher band width connections. I recently aquired a cable modem and my mp3 collection has grown exponentially. I'd recommend getting yourself a DSL connection rather than a cable modem, but if you can get either then I say go for it. It's worth your time. And whatever the dominant digital format becomes, a fast connection can handle it. Okay, I'm shutting up now. Check ya later.
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; if it gets to cheesy, it's your own fault." Me
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc. Message-ID: <19990922233103.2599.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>
--- Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> wrote: > Now, when DVD audio comes around, they will really > blow this sort of > player out of the water (although imagine a DVD-r > full of MP3s, that > like thousands of hours of music -- an entire CD > collection could be > stored on 1 or 2 disks...)
I dunno man, DVD audio will supposedly be "secure" as opposed to current standards. Your "several thousand hours of music" theory would be true if not for the digital watermarking technology. I hate the fucking record biz for forcing this shit down our throats. But on the plus side, DVD audio blows CD audio right out of the water. DVD audio can take advantage of 6-bit technology as opposed to CD audio's regular 2-bit. No comparison need be made. You audiophiles would be in Hog Heaven if this should ever come to pass (and forgive me for saying that I hope it doesn't as it will basically wipe out this underground mp3 movement).
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; if it gets to cheesy, it's your own fault." Me
"There's a lot of people coming up to me and they say 'hey Eddie, remember me from high school?' Hey, man, I've smoked a lot of pot since then. I don't know who the fuck you are." Eddie Vedder, 11-2-93, San Diego __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:22:35 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Liquid Tension Experiment 2CD bootleg new for $30!!!!!!! Message-ID: <37E980DA.EB586126@2.sbbs.se>
NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> http://www.dreamtheater.mit.edu) FOR FREE, or E-mail me and I'll hook you up > with it for the mere cost of 2 blank CD's ($4?).
I'd really like to add these discs to my collection, but I live in Sweden. If you're cool with sending CD's over here, let me know, and I'll add the postal costs of course, just tell me how much the postage is from where you are to Sweden. -- Andreas Skarin Swedish Dream Theater Society http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:skarre@2.sbbs.se
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