YTSEJAM Digest 5079
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ayreon
by "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5077
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5077
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
4) Re: EARN EXTRA INCOME NOW!
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
5) magna carta question
by Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu>
6) New Yes on Streaming Audio...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
7) Re: magna carta question
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) Re: "Serigraph" CDs
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) RE: Vinnie Moore & Co.
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
10) Day Tripper
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
11) More MP3 Madness
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
12) Dream Theater #21
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
13) WTADU
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
14) Re: Ayreon
by <dthomas@best.com>
15) Re: WTADU
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
16) re: Digital Audio
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
17) The New CD
by "Dennis Leefl@ng" <dl@xs4all.nl>
18) Audio quality stuff, no DTC
by "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
19) A Boot is a Boot no matter which way you wear it
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
20) Piano Instruction (NDTC)
by Giannotti Nick ESC/JSK <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
21) New cd's, TON album design
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
22) Ayreon
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
23) Re: A Boot is a Boot no matter which way you wear it
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
24) Audio Compression (no DTC)
by "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com>
25) RE: Charlie's 40th
by "Ashley Wong (ETL)" <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
26) MP3s
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:54:55 MET-2DST
From: "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Ayreon
Message-ID: <BE8CC5B5DDE@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Graham Borland wrote
> I really enjoyed the last one, Into The Electric Castle, which was
> blessed with the talents of Anneke van Giersbergen and Sharon den Adel,
> but the new line-up appears to have a distressing lack of women. God
> forbid I should start having negative preconceptions about an album which
> is still such a long way away, and about which I know very little, but it
> could turn out to be a bit one-sided and unbalanced.
>
To clear things up a little,
If you read the newspage real carefully, you'll read that actually 2
albums are being recorded at the moment: a heavy one and a mellow
one. From messages on the newspage in the past I understood that on
the heavy album only male singers will appear and on the mellow album
only female. Indeed, only male vocalistst are listed.
Whether this is one-sided and unbalanced or not, we'll have to wait,
but from the past albums I have (intro the electric castle and actual
fantasy), I have full faith in Arjen Lucassen that the new
albums will also be great again.
Patrick Sebel
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:07:30 EDT
From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5077
Message-ID: <19990923120730.47931.qmail@hotmail.com>
Andrew said:
>Actually, there is an error in your thinking. There are TWO types of
>compression, lossy and non-lossy. ZIP files use non-lossy compression,
>which means that if you had a whole text file full of "The quick brown
>fox", it would compress it much better because all it would have to do is
>make a new ZIP file that said something like "The quick brown fox (100)"
>if you typed it 100 times (obviously, this isn't how ZIP files work, but
>it's a good example).
>
>Lossy formats, on the other hand, compress by removing data, just as that
>person said. So when you encode an MP3, it really does lose data. That's
>why if you uncompress an MP3, it doesn't sound better than when it's just
>an MP3. If it were the case, you would have an uncompressed file that
>sounded exactly like the original, which doesn't happen.
I guess you have caught me in error then. :) I was under the impression
that the mp3 used a ZIP type of compression. Of course, I've been wrong
before, so why would anything change? :) Anyhow, I'm wondering why they
chose to use this "lossy" compression? The quality would be better then, if
they used the "non-lossy" compression. Though I think I've answered my own
question. It's probably a lot easier and less CPU-intensive (even though
high-bitrate mp3s are still pretty CPU-intensive) to decrompress the "lossy"
compression as it plays, rather than the "non-lossy" compression. Perhaps
when our CPUs are faster, they'll use that "non-lossy" compression. Is it
annoying anyone that I keep putting "lossy" and "non-lossy" in "quotes"? :)
And Trent said:
>I've heard of it. I never knew much about it until
>you informed us all about it. I hope it takes mp3's
>place as the digital standard for online music. Is
>VQF smaller in size to an mp3 of the same song encoded
>at the same bitrate? I think people are making way to
>big a deal out of mp3. Has anyone heard Liquid Audio?
> I wasn't considering downloading that shit (I like my
>music free, thank you) but I was curious as to it's
>sound quality.
Like someone else already said (I think it was that MOO guy :) )... an
mp3 encoded at 128kbps and a vqf at 128kbps will be the same size. The
difference is that the vqf will sound much closer to the CD version than the
mp3.
I'm wondering how popular this format will get though. It's owned by
Yamaha. I'm not sure they're going to release it for public use. The
encoder and player must be purchased through Yamaha, though people have
managed to code players for it (but not encoders) since the last time I was
using the format. Yamaha did release a shareware encoder so you could try
it before you buy it. Anyhow, I don't think Yamaha intends to make this
format widely used. I heard about VQFs about a year and a half ago, and
maybe started using them a year ago, but since last November or whatever,
I've heard nothing about them! Maybe I'll surf the web a bit today and
check out what's going on with Yamaha and why the hell they're not pressing
this format more, because it's obviously better than MP3.
MP3s have a few advantages over VQFs.. they encode faster, and the take
less CPU time than VQFs. But, since it's been a couple years since the VQF
format came out, this isn't such a big deal anymore. Now we have the Athlon
650MHz or even the 700MHz, I heard those came out. That's much faster than
the K6-233 that I've been using since the VQF came out.
Who knows. But Trent, you're right. MP3 is just phaze one...
Jeff, The "Lossy"-Brained Guy
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:24:17 -0400
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5077
Message-ID: <37EA1BF1.B7B5E71A@yunque.net>
Guido Mercati wrote:
> >Let's play *catch the movie reference*, shall we? Name the loose tie-in:
> >"People who sell bootlegs ought to shampoo my crotch." :)
as good as it gets, great film btw!
>
>
> SAME AS ABOVE. TRY TO BE SERIOUS SOMETIMES...MY 2CDs ARE REAL CDs!!!! NOT=
> SILLY CD-R
>
Dude, your 2 cd's ARENT real cd's they may have been pressed, and done in
silvers, BUT theyre still bootleg cds and not official releases. all the
"beautiful artwork" or whatever you said ISNT worth the 26 dollar difference id
have to pay for the same music and the same sound on a CD-R
if you think cool covers, stickers or whatever are worth 26 dollars more...then
thats your problem...
>
> Guido Mercati
> Guitar Chef Crew
> http://auditorium.it.fortunecity.com/strumento/4
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:13:51 -0500
From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: EARN EXTRA INCOME NOW!
Message-ID: <005901bf05c5$7bbc56e0$5cb38ad1@boner>
Is it me, or is it that ever since we switched over to the new server, we
tons of this crap. wft?!?!?
>
> I know that a lot of people wish they could stay at home
> and make thousands of dollars. Well...here is the program
> to do just that! You may have seen the feature story
> about this program on a major network TV show several
..
..
..
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:34:50 -0500
From: Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: magna carta question
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990923083448.008e48a0@cdr.wisc.edu>
Having just received a magna carta cd (Tiles-Presents of Mind) I was
flipping though their little ad flier and was hoping there might be some
jammers who could give me reviews and/or recommendations of the following
groups: Tempest, Caliban, Attention Deficit, and the Floyd Tribute, 'The
Moon Revisited.'
Thanks,
Biz
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:33:14 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: New Yes on Streaming Audio...
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CB46@bham-xchg>
Hey Guys,
If you goto to the House of Blues web site (see link below) you can
listen to the new Yes Album "The Ladder" in its entirety in streaming audio.
It's a special sneak preview that will be available until the official
release date (Sep 28). Sounds pretty good, it will keep me going until my
copy arrives from Tower Records, can't wait to see them in October.
Later,
Dave (a UK jammer - still in Alabama)
http://www.hob.com/live/cdpreviews/990914yes/
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:55:55 -0300
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: magna carta question
Message-ID: <37E97A9B.C291F549@yunque.net>
Joseph Bissonnette wrote:
> Having just received a magna carta cd (Tiles-Presents of Mind) I was
> flipping though their little ad flier and was hoping there might be some
> jammers who could give me reviews and/or recommendations of the following
> groups: Tempest, Caliban, Attention Deficit, and the Floyd Tribute, 'The
> Moon Revisited.'
>
> Thanks,
> Biz
AFAIK Tempest and Caliban are sort of Celtic or nordic(?) type music.
--
You learned well, through your hell
Your Pain was nothing, you longed for more
Your shameful heaven is full of devils
Just like me, Just for You
Carlos Alfaro , Internet Solutions Inc
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: "Serigraph" CDs
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909231033010.53981-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Guido Mercati wrote:
> FIRST OF ALL MY CDs ARE SERIGRAPH CDs BY D.O.S. RECORDS (JAPAN). COOL=
> ARTWORK W/ COLOUR (NOT PHOTOCOPIES) AND COOL SOUNDS. IF YOU WANT A=
> CD-R...OK...BUT I LOVE "M"usic AND I PREFER TO HAVE GOT IN MY COLLECTION A=
> GREAT CD LIKE THAT.
Dude, what you don't seem to understand is that a CD-R with music on it
sounds absolutely NO different than a pressed CD. Most of the people on
this jam would not pay $30 for an unreleased CD that they can get for $4
regardless of the fact that they're pressed and have artwork. Plus, the
artwork was originally done by (who was it, The CowGod?) and if the
artwork on your CDs is different, then it's not authentic in the FIRST
place. Whomever it was that did the original artwork has given a URL for
download of the ORIGINAL graphics - so that sends your theory about
getting photocopied artwork down the tubes ("Hey Larry, look at the
fuckin' tubes!"). The fact of the matter is that you are trying to rip
people off by offering this bootleg. I don't care whether they were
pressed by a professional company or not - it's something that we can get
for a cheaper price for the same quality. To me, that means that your CDs
are basically worthless.
You want to sell them, go on EBay or something; that's where everybody
else goes to rip off the general public.
NP: DT - TOWHTSTS (First time I've ever heard it!)
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a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If
someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can
do is take out your money, and piss on it while
mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get
scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll
have to wash your money."
- Norman Calkin, on urban survival
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:59:49 +0100
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Vinnie Moore & Co.
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2701A5C0F2@LON01XBCAPGE>
>From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com
<mailto:someone@digitalrodent.com> >
>Subject: MP3 and Vinnie Moore
>New Vinnie Moore fans on this list now, huh? Check out his
new disc >(newest disc... came out this year) The Maze. He's back in fine
form, after >two mediocre albums. If you like his vibe, check out Tony
MacAlpine's >Maximum Security, Becker's Perpetual Burn, Friedman's Dragon
Kiss, and >maybe even Yngwie's first 2 albums. If you want to see how far
this genre >goes into the realm of sickening technical virtuousity, check
out George >Bellas's first album. I guess he has a new album in the works,
but his >drummer said it's too complex, and that he couldn't play it. :)
>
>Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
<mailto:someone@digitalrodent.com>
-oOo-
Yay! Amen to all that. I thought Vinnie's last albums were
ok though... especially track 3 on Meltdown (or was it Out of Nowhere?).
Tony MacAlpine's Edge of Insanity and Freedom to Fly are as
good as if not better than Maximum Security. Tony played keyboards on the
first of Vinnie's albums, and Jordan played on the next. But Friedman's
Dragon's Kiss is a lot too close to Cacophony for my liking - lots of heavy
chugging, like bad Yngwie. George Bellas's albums are Moore-esque and the
best thing I've discovered through this list - it's like 'This Is Where
Yngwie Should Have Gone After Eclipse'. I really don't understand why
people say Symphony X is UeberYngwie - George Bellas is the torch carrier
since Mr M got boring. Vitalij Kuprij's solo albums are very much in the
same vein (the second has George Bellas on guitars). Much better than his
Artension work. If you want slightly more speed (!!) and slightly less
inspiration, there's Joe Stump.
No, it's not terribly prog, if that's what you care about
more than wankfestery. But it's the pinnacle of Neoclassicism!
Jonathan
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:31:58 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Day Tripper
Message-ID: <v04210100b40ff742540d@[192.168.1.1]>
> >nothing else. Last Sunday it was "cover night", and they played Type O's
> >"Day Tripper Medley", which was a cool preview to the new album (which also
> >KICKS ASS, BTW)... :)
>
>What band originally did that song? I wasn't aware it was a cover. I've
Uh... The Beatles?
Seems as if you missed this particular music history lesson. Now go
and buy some Beatles albums ;-)
Steffen
--
Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com)
THE MIRROR - deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:48:19 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: More MP3 Madness
Message-ID: <001101bf05db$125377e0$013ca8c0@madstation>
> From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: MP3 player that plays CDs etc.
> I agree. As a matter of fact, I read somewhere that1
> the next step in audiophile cd's is to use all of the
> new technology (and space) available to make digital
> music better. They plan on increasing the sampling
> rate (up to 30mhz?)
Now, if you consider the size of a normal cd, at 16 bits, and a 44,100hz
sample rate, this means that the original analog sound that the ear
percieves is sampled 44,100 times each second. That comes out to (rounded
off) around 10 megs a minute, stereo. Audio sampled at 30mhz would be more
than 680 times the size, at the same bitrate. This seems to be beyond the
bounds of anything imaginable for now. The funny thing is, this is STILL
not NEARLY as perfect as the original source. You could have 8000gigahertz
samples and it's still infinitely inferior to the source, since as many
divisions of time as you can make, one can always be made smaller. Some
people will use this as a logic for justifying that they are never happy and
never can be. :) But really, Al is a totally cool dude, and to this day I
would still recommend taking advantage of his knowledge when planning your
next stereo purchase. :)
> and extending the frequency
> response (beyond 20hz-20khz). So you will have a cd
> with about the same time capacity (74 minutes), but
> with a much higher quality.
Extending the frequency response like this would benefit those 11 and
under, who have not been to any concerts or sporting events. The vaster
majority of us can't even hear up to 20,000hz. As you get older, the high
frequencies go. I would think that to increase sound quality, you want to
increase bitrate, and sampling speed. Once the frequency response matches
that of the human ear, I would think that any expansion on the range would
mainly be for the listening enjoyment of Rover the household golden
retriever. But what do I know?
And I long to own a cassette tape deck that sounds as clear as a 128kbps
MP3.
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:11:49 -0400
From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Dream Theater #21
Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B19CB@HQEXS01>
For anyone who's interested, Radio Free Entertainment's Top 100 music poll
has Dream Theater at #21. Here's the URL:
http://www.radiofree.com/mus-poll/index.shtml
--Zircon the Blue
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:39:21 -0400
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: WTADU
Message-ID: <004701bf05e2$2fde2a60$b084c5cf@crp.crp.org>
Hi folks,
Is there a better sounding version of WTADU? I have a copy of the reissiu
and it's just too muddy to really enjoy it.
Any tips?
joe
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: <dthomas@best.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Ayreon
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909230939300.19330-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
According to an article I read some time ago, the plan was that there
would be two Aryeon projects more or less recorded at the same time, one
with all male singers, and one with all female singers (including Anneke
from The Gathering, which makes it a must purchase item). Don't know if
this is still the case, but that seemed to be the original plan.
DT
www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:57:56 -0500
From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: WTADU
Message-ID: <00f701bf05ed$c3555240$62b38ad1@boner>
no, that's pretty much how the original sounds.
> Is there a better sounding version of WTADU? I have a copy of the reissiu
> and it's just too muddy to really enjoy it.
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Digital Audio
Message-ID: <19990923182337.17646.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com>
"Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> wrote:
> The CD audio format is STILL inferior to analog;
What!? Sacrilege! Blasphemy!
Digital is the best! I can't wait for the day when
birds will be trained to squeal out a binary bit
stream, and a D/A converter implant in my head will
convert it into something meaningful. The oceans will
be forced to pound out a bunch of 1's and 0's, and I
will never again have to hear the surf in that ugly,
outdated, analog mode...
;o)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:29:05 +0200
From: "Dennis Leefl@ng" <dl@xs4all.nl>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: The New CD
Message-ID: <005901bf05f1$8e141040$239d6dc2@xs4all.nl>
'ello Jammers,
Been some time.. First of all... I'm going to tease you a bit. I've been one
of the lucky bastards on this planet to have a promo of the new DT. One
word: awesome. This disk will rock the planet. period.
I know some people are really touchy about info on the new cd. I was. That's
why I wont post the info in the Jam just like that. I put it on a page. So
if you don't want anything to be spoiled, don't go there. You will NOT find
soundsamples there.
here it is:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl/dreamtheater.html
This is NO joke.
BUT... I have to agree with some people (doesn't matter who). This album is
all about the "Veil Of Secrecy", therefore I will not copy or mp3 the cd for
anyone. So mailing me about that is useless. I won't take money. I respect
the band's policy. Maybe I just shouldn't post this but I'm just so shocked
by this album, I needed to share.
I also wanted to let you all know there might be some sounsamples of my
project with Marcel (Coenen) on soon. check our site for more details:
http://www.xs4all.nl~dl/project
cheers!
Dennis
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.xs4all.nl/~dl | ICQ: 21285351 | dl@xs4all.nl
"All I know about life is...
Every time you yank a hair out your nose... you sneeze."
~ David Letterman
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:31:15 -0700
From: "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Audio quality stuff, no DTC
Message-ID: <006701bf05f1$d75089a0$2aace1cc@falcon.wlv.esltd.com>
Absolutely no disrespect intended to Joseph or Chris, but I'll put my ears
to that test anytime.
But what this really reminded me is that I wanted to share was that I
recently changed all the cables in my guitar rack from crappy Hosa to top of
the line Monster cables (not a cheap investment, by any means!!), and man,
that is one of the best investments I've made in a long time. The sound is
incredibly brighter and clearer. Maybe it takes a "refined" ear to hear it,
but I can definitely tell the difference. Worth every penny. Al would be
proud:-)
I'll never go back to cheap cables. Ever. I seriously recommend this to
anyone who loves tone.
Paul - stepping off his soapbox/speaker cabinet, and cranking it up
again...Woohoo!
>From: Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@cdr.wisc.edu
>>From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
>>
>>probably couldn't tell a 128kbps MP3 from a cd. The human ear makes a lot
>>of generalizations.
>
>Precisely. The ptacek knows all <bows in deference>. Audiophiles will
>always be audiophiles, and will be able to hear the difference between a cd
>running on system with 1/4" thick speaker cables and one with 5/16" speaker
>cables. But for the rest of us a well recorded mp3 at a decent bitrate
>doesn't sound bad at all.
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:33:27 -0700
From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: A Boot is a Boot no matter which way you wear it
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990923113143.0097b9c0@sc.llu.edu>
>SAME AS ABOVE. TRY TO BE SERIOUS SOMETIMES...MY 2CDs ARE REAL CDs!!!! NOT=
> SILLY CD-R
>
>
>Guido Mercati
>Guitar Chef Crew
Funny, I always thought of any bootleg as a "fake" cd. I guess I must have
been wrong all these years....hmmm.
Just because something is printed on the cd and it has a nice inlay card
don't mean it's a "REAL" cd.
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I wonder how much deeper the oceans would be without sponges.
Wesley Foll, Geology B.S., Loma Linda University
http://www.redrival.com/wesfoll/main.html
follwes@sc.llu.edu
wfoll00g@ns.llu.edu
beavis@ytseradio.com
ICQ #4550740
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:38:08 -0400
From: Giannotti Nick ESC/JSK <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Piano Instruction (NDTC)
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CCFF7EDD@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
To all the keyboard players out there:
a friend of mine is going into the Coast Guard at the beginning of next
month, and he is leaving me his keyboard for his two-year stint. While
thoroughly enjoyable to scare the hell out of the cat by finding a distorted
patch, cranking it up, and hitting all the keys at once, I'd like to be able
to do something a little more substantial. Anyone know of any good websites
that offer (free) basic keyboard instruction? Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Private email replies, please, since I wouldn't want to clutter
the 'jam up with this. Thanks again!
- Nick
Nicholas Giannotti x6745
Joint STARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
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"All I ask of my body is that it carry around my head." -- Thomas Alva
Edison
"I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to
bite people themselves." -- August Strindberg
"I never make stupid mistakes. Only very, very clever ones." -- The Doctor
"You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses
to frighten you." -- Eric Hoffer
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:29 -0700
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New cd's, TON album design
Message-ID: <37EA7A71.98C11F38@ucla.edu>
New music Tuesday kicked arse. I ended up getting new Nine Inch nails,
new Tori Amos, and new Type O. I spent a good deal of time looking at
the album art for NIN and Tori, sitting and occasionally uttering
"Pretty..." I was just wondering if anyone had the same problem with
the TON album that I did. Both me and a friend of mine who both bought
the cd together at Best Buy opened up the jewel case and had little bits
of plastic fall out. At first I thought it was some odd present from
the band, as I could not see anything broken. I noticed that the prongs
which hold the cd through the center were all broken; same deal with my
friend's cd. We assumed it was just a cheap jewel case. Anyone else
have this problem, out of curiosity?
~~Amanda
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:19:32 -0400
From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Ayreon
Message-ID: <199909231519.AA97124928@pressroom.com>
>According to the web site at http://www.ayreon.com/ Russell Allen of
>Symphony X has been confirmed as one of the vocalists on the
>forthcoming Ayreon album, along with Neal Morse of Spock's Beard,
>Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden, and others I've never heard of.
Kinda old news. It's been on the website for months now...
>I really enjoyed the last one, Into The Electric Castle, which was
>blessed with the talents of Anneke van Giersbergen and Sharon den Adel,
>but the new line-up appears to have a distressing lack of women. God
>forbid I should start having negative preconceptions about an album
>which is still such a long way away, and about which I know very
>little, but it could turn out to be a bit one-sided and unbalanced.
Well, Lucassen only used women as backup singers on 'The Final Experiment' and there aren't any on 'Actual Fantasy', so this is nothing new. I would guess that it is hard to find the right voices. He apparently had a very hard time convincing Anneke to be on the project. Well, Lana Lane is supposed to be on this new project. She's got a nice voice. Now if he could just get Tarja from Nightwish... :^)
>Even so, with three of my favourite singers, I'll probably still love
>it. If only James LaBrie were on it as well . . .
Be happy Russel Allen is on it. He almost wasn't. He's stepping in to replace someone who dropped out.
I already know I'll like it...
Jason
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:34:53 -0700
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: A Boot is a Boot no matter which way you wear it
Message-ID: <37EAAB0D.738FCE61@wezl.org>
Not to mention that any trained monkey can go buy the materials to make a "REAL
CD" at damn near any computer retailer. People are so lame. Offer still stands,
just E-mail me and I'll get you copies of this show for the mere cost of
shipping, and 2 CD-R's
Wes Foll wrote:
> >SAME AS ABOVE. TRY TO BE SERIOUS SOMETIMES...MY 2CDs ARE REAL CDs!!!! NOT=
> > SILLY CD-R
>
>
> Funny, I always thought of any bootleg as a "fake" cd. I guess I must have
> been wrong all these years....hmmm.
> Just because something is printed on the cd and it has a nice inlay card
> don't mean it's a "REAL" cd.
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:38:25 CDT
From: "Andy Putman" <andyputman@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Audio Compression (no DTC)
Message-ID: <19990923193825.20603.qmail@hotmail.com>
>before, so why would anything change? :) Anyhow, I'm wondering why they
>chose to use this "lossy" compression? The quality would be better then,
>if
>they used the "non-lossy" compression. Though I think I've answered my own
>question. It's probably a lot easier and less CPU-intensive (even though
>high-bitrate mp3s are still pretty CPU-intensive) to decrompress the
>"lossy"
>compression as it plays, rather than the "non-lossy" compression. Perhaps
>when our CPUs are faster, they'll use that "non-lossy" compression.
It has nothing to do with CPU speed. It is simply not (mathematically)
possible to get the kind of compression you get on mp3's with non-lossy
compression. That's a fact that unfortunally nothing, even bad-ass
processors, can fix. That is the reason why there are many files that pkzip
cannot compress at all.
-Andy
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:50:11 +0200
From: "Ashley Wong (ETL)" <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Charlie's 40th
Message-ID: <0BE3EAFA8B11D3118DFC0008C75D24BE570D27@euktcnt011.ericsson.se>
..heheh....Belated birthday greetings to you Charlie!
I'm not too far behind you, as I turned 30 (gulp!) on Monday.
So I'll be getting to bed early with my warm cup of Horlicks and copy
of Reader's Digest (large print).
See you at the Forum for Spock's Beard!
Ash.
>The following is a special announcement. It is best read out loud
>slowly in what is politely described as a southern US drawl. Bonus
>points for mimicking a healthy blood alcohol content.
>
>"Lordy, Lordy ....... Charlie Farrell be 40 !!"
gee thanks Mark for letting everyone know! :-)) and spoiling the illusion
of those newbie jammers who might be fooled into thinking I was 20
years younger. :-)) Knowing an just an old fart, no-one will take any
notice of me now. :-(
Charlie
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:39:16 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3s
Message-ID: <37EA8FF4.90AE5E1E@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Jeff Storck"
> That's what an MP3 player does.. it uncompresses as it plays.
Huh!?!? I don't see how is this possible! I'm almost sure that P3
compression DOES takes out some of the information! Actually is that
misteriiys algorithm avalibale somewhere? :) Let's check by ourselves
what exactly it does.
--
CyberDuke
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"Shocking!"
"Yeah, but do you think it was funny?"
"Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
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