YTSEJAM Digest 5447
Today's Topics:
1) Trevor Rabin
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
2) Solaris
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Petrucci/Rudess Acoustic Concert!!
by MTeiper@aol.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5443
by Ultraking@aol.com
5) Re: Cable vs. DSL
by "Sullivan,Patrick M. (E-Mail, Utilities)"
6) Re: Portnoy Vox
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
7) Re: Cable vs. DSL
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
8) Re: Solaris
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
9) Last week to sign up for CDR tree (and future shows)
by "The Mad Tabber" <themadtabber@hotmail.com>
10) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
11) RE: Bootlegs
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
12) bruford, some other points
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
13) Re: odds and ends...
by "zombieeaterx !" <zombieeaterx@hotmail.com>
14) burner..
by "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com>
15) Re: Cable modem vs DSL? (NDTC)
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
16) Re: Cable modem vs DSL? (NDTC)
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
17) Mike Bahr
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
18) Tour of the Crimson King
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
19) Re: Petrucci/Rudess Acoustic Concert!!
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:17:04 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Trevor Rabin
Message-ID: <20000427121705.1E37880C1@sitemail.everyone.net>
D-man wrote:
>There's a problem with your logic, because that would >make Trevor Rabin legitimate, too. :)
- whoa dude, that's funny! :) But my Guitar player Lloyd would launch into a 2 hour debate with you if he heard you say that. I know, I've been there.
-Koggie
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:31:49 -0400
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Solaris
Message-ID: <004c01bfb044$90394400$0200010a@steve>
> name a _bad_ (or even mediocre) Hungarian prog band? Everything
prog I've
> heard from that neck of the woods has always been always
stellar,
> particularly Solaris, who almost stole the show from Spock's
Beard at NF99.
WTF? Only because they went over their allotted time and
WOULDN'T GET OFF THE FUCKING STAGE. Yeah, they almost stole the
show from Spock's Beard - literally.
Admittedly, I enjoyed their performance for the first half hour,
but then it got silly and too same-y, and their refusal to get
off the stage made me lose TONS of respect for them.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu Apr 27 08:55:39 2000
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Petrucci/Rudess Acoustic Concert!!
Message-ID: <200004271300.GAA07247@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Hey gang -
Sorry if this has already been posted, but in case it hasn't, I just saw this announcement on UACM:
"On Saturday, June 10th at 8:30 PM John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess of Dream Theater will have an exclusive, first time ever performance as a duo in an evening of unplugged music.
Helen Hayes Performing Arts Center
117 Main St.
Nyack, NY 10960
Box office number 914- 358-6333
Hours are M-Sat 11AM to 6pm
Sunday noon to 6pm
Tickets are $25.00 (twenty five dollars)
Reserved seating"
Amazing... I never thought I'd be so disappointed to be on vacation in all my life!! :-) Alas, I will be in Orlando on the day of the concert, killing any chance of me going to this show. PLEASE PLEASE somebody get a recording of this!
Gotta run... Laterz
- Matt T.
NP: DT - 12/29/95
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:05:11 EDT
From: Ultraking@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5443
Message-ID: <99.406e40f.26399507@aol.com>
I am a bass player, and as of right now I play with a pick, mostly due to the
fact that I started off playing electric guitar. I wanted to know if anyone
can recommend some good web sources for learning to play with fingers and/or
slap bass technique. I would like some ideas on good video tapes or books on
this subject, I just cant afford to buy anything right now, thus the need for
web sources!!!! Please help me, I need to get funky!
Thanks a zillion,
Ultraking
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:09:13 -0400
From: "Sullivan,Patrick M. (E-Mail, Utilities)"
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Cable vs. DSL
Message-ID: <22992A14C66AD311AC1A00508B0FB78A01130680@sr12oriole.caregroup.harvard.edu>
> ADSL 7.1mps/640k 112$ (yea thats 7.1 MEGS a second but realize you
have
> to be able to piss on your phone company CO from your house to get that
> speed....)
I live in a rather rural area, and I have cable internet with MediaOne. In
defense of the service:
- To be honest, you have to be able to throw a rock and hit a CO to be able
to get DSL service at all. There's no company that I know of that offers DSL
service is my town, and even if they did, I don't think I'm close enough to
a CO to actually be able to have it.
- My listed Upload/Download speeds are 1.5M/392K, but obviously, I never
actually reach those speeds. I don't, however, notice any drastic
differences in speed at various times - the connection is very reliable.
- the service is $30/month. I bought the cable modem, which was an
additional layout of $150.
- You do only get 1 IP address, but there are ways around that without
giving the cable company any more money. One way is to set up one machine as
a proxy server. Another (the method I use) is to install a router. LinkSys
makes a nice broadband router that you can use to share/firewall your cable
or DSL connection. It comes with a built-in 10/100 4-port switch for about
$160.
There are negatives to the cable service. As you say - the more people that
are on a node, the slower each of them are. But it's a fairly simple
procedure for the cable company to split a node that becomes too large.
Whether they actually keep up with that sort of thing is another story.
Also, history dictates that in residential terms, phone service is much more
reliable than cable service. I've lived in this house for 6 months, and I've
already had 3 (short) cable outages and 0 phone outages. If I'm paying for
an "always on" connection, I want it "always on". :-)
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:25:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Portnoy Vox
Message-ID: <20000427132517.26947.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
It's already been said, but I'll repeat. Mike's
vocals on Transatlantic are wonderful. Even his high,
falsetto stuff is good when the they can smooth it
over in a studio setting.
Maybe I'm not that picky. I still think that most
people's reaction to his latest attempts would NOT be
'Ewww...'
Mike
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:35:05 -0400
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Cable vs. DSL
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000427093359.00ae6340@pop.ecosoft.com>
At 06:29 AM 4/27/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > ADSL 7.1mps/640k 112$ (yea thats 7.1 MEGS a second but realize you
>have
> > to be able to piss on your phone company CO from your house to get that
> > speed....)
>
>I live in a rather rural area, and I have cable internet with MediaOne. In
>defense of the service:
>
>- To be honest, you have to be able to throw a rock and hit a CO to be able
>to get DSL service at all. There's no company that I know of that offers DSL
>service is my town, and even if they did, I don't think I'm close enough to
>a CO to actually be able to have it.
actually, the minimum speed for IDSl (144k) service is in the 18000 feet
from the CO ballpark. And if your in a rural area, i'd stick with the cable
modem.
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:40:38 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Solaris
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000427092447.00af7dd0@cs.millersville.edu>
> > name a _bad_ (or even mediocre) Hungarian prog band? Everything
> > prog I've heard from that neck of the woods has always been always
> > stellar, particularly Solaris, who almost stole the show from Spock's
> >Beard at NF99.
>Admittedly, I enjoyed their performance for the first half hour,
>but then it got silly and too same-y, and their refusal to get
>off the stage made me lose TONS of respect for them.
Hey, figure it was either the first of one of the first shows they've ever
played in the US. Figure that the bulk of the crowd, myself included,
*wanted* them to stay on stage (hence the multiple standing ovations). And
Spock's Beard still got their full set. Q.E.D. staying there an extra five
or ten minutes hurt nobody and, IMO, made for a more enjoyable concert.
After all, since when has "more" been bad? We're (central, North...)
Americans -- we love excess. Look at the popularity of those
gas-guzzling-during-a-gas-crisis, totally-ridiculous-for-suburban-use SUVs
for cryin' out loud!
Brian
[NP...Iced Earth -- Alive In Athens ('Something Wicked...' went gold in
Greece, btw)]
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:44:18 GMT
From: "The Mad Tabber" <themadtabber@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Last week to sign up for CDR tree (and future shows)
Message-ID: <20000427134418.86356.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
This is the last week to sign up for the CDR tree of the Roseland show
(called Moshtropolis). Sign-up ends on April 30th! Go to
http://www.snowhill.com/~bvaughn/tree.htm
I am glad to be a part of the "revival" in the classical form of fan
trading. It should be about the fans, and not the money.
Eventually, you won't see the obnoxious prices that you are currently seeing
on Ebay for DT boots. It is time to become a family once again. We were a
family long before, during the early days of the list and when Mike Bahr
started up. But by the end of Mike's reign, we had become $-driven about
everything (at least in the limelight ... there were always some of you cool
people in the background).
Future shows? House of Blues is next (better quality than MP3). I am
running a cover contest for this!
After that, I have some other SFAM shows coming in.
The Christmas shows will go on as well. NO bootleg (except for the Fan Club
CDs ... which really aren't bootlegs) will be beyond the tree.
Out of some weird courtesy, I won't tree recently released boots from
reputable sources... provided they quit giving most of us a hard time for
giving out free what they really shouldn't be selling in the first place.
Give us flack on this, and we'll tree your entire catalog all at once. But
realize, I'm not going to wait long on any show before I decide to tree it.
Recently released boots, I'll give you a week or two before sign-up begins.
This time, it's about the music.
The MadTabber
If you have things you think would be great to add to the tree (I'm even
considering doing videos as well), email me at themadtabber@hotmail.com .
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:51:14 -0500
From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F03EB3BB4@ustcax09.kcc.com>
-- Scott Hansen said:
> Case in point: Chris King ran the Moose/Caribou label. He tried to put out
a
> quality product and charged just enough to cover his costs and to upgrade
> his equipment - he did it because he enjoyed it, not to make money. Then
> when someone said the same thing as you: "why should I bother buying it
when
> my trading buddies will give it to me for free?" Guess what? He said "fuck
> you all - if you can't appreciate what I've done, then why should I waste
my
> time?" and that was the end of Moose/Caribou.
This argument (and we have gone over this guy's situation in the past on the
list) is totally mute. You say he released and sold these boots for
"enjoyment ... not to make money," but you also say he wanted to "cover his
costs and upgrade his equipment." Kind of contradictory. The real kicker
is that if he had actually been doing this for the "enjoyment ... not to
make money," why would he stop producing them when he found out he was
losing money from people who traded his "release?"
> So do you still feel like "freeing all the bootlegs?" You might end
> up with nothing at all.
Funny, I have right at 100 Dream Theater shows on DAT, CD, VHS, and analog
cassette and I haven't bought ONE of those items. I've got four of the five
Xmas shows and all are very good quality (and in need of very little
remastering, I might add). It's not like even half of the stuff out there
is ever sold through a BootScalper(tm). Yeah, I'm really fearful...
> PS For the record, I do not sell any bootlegs myself - all the stuff I
have
> I trade.
And I'm sure you didn't pay BootScalpers (tm) like Kiss the Stone for "Lords
of Sound" or "Lost in the Sky," so why should we be forced to buy from
Scarred?
-- Then Chris Ptacek (my new hero) said:
> At this point you HAVE to draw the line. I refuse to accept this as
> some kind of $ defense. This is where Bahr went wrong. You CAN NOT
reclaim
> the money you spend on your boot gear, the shows you have to get to, the
> wear and tear on your computer etc. That's bullshit.
Well put. :) Everyone has traveled far and wide to see a show at one point,
and no one expects their expenses paid back. Should I charge people for
each MP3 I put up on Lines in the Sand? I've got thousands of dollars of
recording and computer equipment - but I don't exactly expect people to
reimburse me for the stuff when I provide them with music...
> The material, even in remastered form, does not
> belong to the bootlegger, and he should simply turn the other cheek, as it
> seems Ryan does, when someone works out a way to get a free copy.
This is really the point I've been trying to make (albeit long-windedly). I
can't stop people from selling bootlegs, as much as I'd like to. But the
material the BootScalpers offer is NOT theirs, no matter how much artwork
they wrap around it. They have NO right to complain about people stealing
their "work," because their "work" is stolen in the first place.
I'm done... :) It looks like the vast majority of people on the list agree
with me here, and it's good to see that.
Take care all...
Adam
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:09:38 +0100
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Bootlegs
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2703A11A6B@LON01XBCAPGE>
Today's Topics:
1) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
4) Re: ethics of selling boots
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
5) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
6) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
by Erik Gudmundson <erik@dca.net>
7) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
Now this thread has been much better argued than most on this list, IMNSHO.
Makes you proud to be a member! Lots of examples, proper consideration of
people's points rather than rhetoric, etc...
But doesn't it all boil down to these points?
The performance was created by the band, who therefore own the intellectual
property together with their label, and who haven't explicitly given their
permission for distribution. That takes care of the legal/ownership angle
(and the moral one, if by any chance you think all laws are exclusively
created for the betterment of society).
If you think there's no decremental effect on the band's sales through
distribution of the bootleg, and you don't care what the band thinks, then
you may justifiably think that you're morally in the clear by distributing
the bootleg. If you think distribution of a bootleg will impact a
band's/label's sales in any way, you're stealing from them. Maybe you're
cool with that, but thinking 'Music should be free' is just your OPINION and
you don't have the right to impose that opinion on someone else's
intellectual property.
So much for the intellectual property side of things. As for the time and
money involved in purchasing/creating the finished media, well, you can ask
for compensation if you want - it was your time and money - and you can
contract with someone in exchange for supplying it to them (trade/sell).
But since you don't own the intellectual property, you can't really claim
any ownership of a finished, mastered, smoothed, optimised recording you
produced since the source wasn't yours. So you haven't got a leg to stand
on if someone then chooses to supply what wasn't your intellectual property
in the first place at a lower cost, or even zero cost, to others. So don't
bitch about how much time and effort you spent on it.
Any flaws in that?
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:29:20 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: bruford, some other points
Message-ID: <20000427112920.A26014@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-04-27 at 05:12 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
> by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
> 4) Re: ethics of selling boots
> by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
> 5) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
> by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
> 6) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
> by Erik Gudmundson <erik@dca.net>
> 7) Re: ethics of selling bootlegs
> by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
All excellent points, and all argued well. The Jam is great when it
works. (If only every discussion could be like this.) Best of luck
to Ryan (even though he's a Cowboys fan :) and Scotch (one hell of an
artist), and best of luck to those of us who don't want to spend more
than the price of blanks.
Pye/Henderson/etc.: Does anyone still trade on tape? All this talk
of CD burners, liners, etc... Am I SOL if I want to trade and I don't
have a burner?
---> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:19:34 -0800 (PST) > From: David Peterson <glyde@computermail.net> > Subject: Cable modem vs DSL? (NDTC) > > Biggest question: Which new technology is going to win out: Cable > modem or DSL?
I was going to tackle this one until I saw Robb Muise's answer. I think I'm going to print that one and hang it on the wall.
BTW, I only intend to keep the cable modem until DSL is available in my area.
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> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:55:03 +0000 > From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> > Subject: Re: Holdsworth streaming video / yet more live fusion > > > Words cannot put into meaning how awesome it is seeing that man play live. > > True dat. I've caught him in two different eras: > > First with Bill Bruford Band. This was, IMO, where Bruford was meant to > be. Don't get me wrong, I love his prior work with Yes, but this was > something that was truly allowing his chops to come to the foreground.
Crimson. Crimson. Crimson.
When I was doing my prog radio show at W&M a couple of years ago, I had never really heard any Crimson that did it for me. Some adventurous soul called in to request some, however, and I looked through the stacks to see what I could find. Discipline was the only album there, and I decided to play the shortest song on the record(!), "Frame By Frame". My life changed that day. "Geddy who? Dream what?" I had unfortunately missed any chances by that point of seeing the double trio live, but I've taken every chance available since then to see the various members separately, or in small groups (Bruford Levin Upper Extremities, Bruford's Earthworks, Levin with CGT), and they always blow me away. Completely indescribable. If you listen all the way through "Discipline" and it doesn't hit you at least once, I'd be amazed.
<plug>Of course, you can hear some just about every week on my Seismic Radio show, http://www.seismicradio.com, Saturdays at 4:00 pm Eastern.</plug>
New KC (sadly, without Bruford and Levin) hits the shelves next month!
Oh, and this one's for Warren in Oregon: Bitch all you want about not seeing DT, but TLev and the CGT are playing out your way with Trey Gunn. If I had the time and the money, I'd fly out there for that one.
-d "I repeat myself when under stress" man
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:56:47 GMT From: "zombieeaterx !" <zombieeaterx@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: odds and ends... Message-ID: <20000427155647.99609.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Is it normal that I have a strong desire to see the > >Poison/Dokken/Cinderell= >a/Slaughter show in Hartford this summer?
Hell no! I'm going to see that when it comes to Long Island.
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:19:43 CDT From: "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: burner.. Message-ID: <20000427161943.6772.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Digital Man [SMTP:cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:44 AM > >All excellent points, and all argued well. The Jam is great when it >works. (If only every discussion could be like this.) Best of luck >to Ryan (even though he's a Cowboys fan :) and Scotch (one hell of an >artist), and best of luck to those of us who don't want to spend more >than the price of blanks.
HeY! I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, too ! LOL
>Pye/Henderson/etc.: Does anyone still trade on tape? All this talk >of CD burners, liners, etc... Am I SOL if I want to trade and I don't >have a burner?
SOL buddy !! Please get yourself a CD Burner. The prices have come down so low nowdays. Heck, the one I have is just a 2x2x24 (lower line) and it still kicks ass. For the price I paid for mine last year, I could now go get a much faster (8x burner speed) for the same $$. Even on a college budget, CD burners are very affordable. (If not, there's always Lay-a-Way at Wal-Mart!! heh heh)
><plug>Of course, you can hear some just about every week on my Seismic >Radio show, http://www.seismicradio.com, Saturdays at 4:00 pm >Eastern.</plug>
HAHAHAH you evil bastid ! If that wasn't blatent, I don't know what is!! hahaha
Jan-Michael
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Cable modem vs DSL? (NDTC) Message-ID: <20000427163939.3256.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com>
> They'll be a market for both until [SNIP] > VDSL gets rolled out.
Yeah! I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully it will happen soon.
> Cable Modem- In the 50$ range, idiot proof, only one > connection usually. > Shared bandwidth which means slow service in urban > areas. Not the same > speed ever. Not considered a 24hour connection.
Cable modems are always less secure as well. If someone was to get a cable modem, it would be in their best interests to get a firewall installed on their PC ASAP. It just avoids a lot of hassles. I knew very little about that sort of thing before getting a cable modem. If nothing else, it's a very educational thing to own b/c you learn about cookies, network security, etc.
> ADSL 7.1mps/640k 112$ (yea thats 7.1 MEGS a > second but realize you have to be able to piss on > your phone company CO from your house to get that > speed....)
Mm, not always. There's talk of SWBell offering DSL services in my area and we're not near the CO. My dad actually knows more about it than I myself do, but the idea of I've gotten is that there's this shack that's about 1/8 of a mile away from our house that is owned by SWBell that could, in theory, provide DSL connections. We've had cable modems in this area for about a year and cable modems are every good thing you've heard about as well as almost all the bad things. There are few bad things, of course, but the bad things are... really bad. But the high speed is addictive and it's really easy to get used to it. When we first installed the cable modem (we'd had our LAN going for about six or seven months prior to the CB installation; literally all the Road Runner people had to do was come out to my house, install the cable modem and install the software in all of our PCs). It is possible to get more than one IP number and we all have our own. Four of us in the house, four IP numbers.
> T1 lines, you don't need. its a specific service > that you need a contract for, it takes a month to > install. But it is a t1, if it goes down the phone > company has to look at it within one hour, and its > 1.5MPS up and down. we charge about 1000 a month for
> it.
IMHO, T1's are useless in this day and age. They don't do anything that cable modems or DSL won't do faster and probably cheaper. By the by, how fast is T3? Is it *always* that fast or, like cable modems, do you get something a bit different each time? I know jackshit about T3 obviously, so that's why I'm asking. > (gee can you tell I work for an ISP) =)
Yup, quite obvious. :o)
===== *Trent
"I cannot stop the thought of running in the dark. Coming up a which way sign. All good truants must decide. stripped and sold mom. An auctioned forearm and whiskers in the sink. Truants move on, cannot stay long. Some die just to live..."
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:50:30 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Cable modem vs DSL? (NDTC) Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000427124626.00aca900@pop.ecosoft.com>
> >Cable modems are always less secure as well. If >someone was to get a cable modem, it would be in their >best interests to get a firewall installed on their PC >ASAP. It just avoids a lot of hassles. I knew very >little about that sort of thing before getting a cable >modem. If nothing else, it's a very educational thing >to own b/c you learn about cookies, network security, >etc.
I'd recommend a product like Blackice for the everyday user trying to setup a firewall.
> > ADSL 7.1mps/640k 112$ (yea thats 7.1 MEGS a > > second but realize you have to be able to piss on > > your phone company CO from your house to get that > > speed....) > >*snip* >have our own. Four of us in the house, four IP >numbers.
This is true, I stated the 1 ip because thats the norm. I had a cable modem prior to this and they offered 2 ips. I got raped in the monthly though (90$ for 384k).
> > T1 lines, you don't need. its a specific service > > that you need a contract for, it takes a month to > > install. But it is a t1, if it goes down the phone > > company has to look at it within one hour, and its > > 1.5MPS up and down. we charge about 1000 a month for > > > it. > >IMHO, T1's are useless in this day and age. They >don't do anything that cable modems or DSL won't do >faster and probably cheaper. By the by, how fast is >T3? Is it *always* that fast or, like cable modems, >do you get something a bit different each time? I >know jackshit about T3 obviously, so that's why I'm
T3's are the same as any truly dedicated line, you get the bandwidth you pay for. We offer a few different rates and speeds for T3s.. 6meg is 3000 a month all the way up to a full on 45MPS at 11250$ a month...
They're expensive as all hell.
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mike Bahr Message-ID: <20000427171518.E379750AB@sitemail.everyone.net>
I feel of the 'Jam for a couple years, could someon fill me in on exactly what "Sh*t" Mike Bahr is in. Thanx.
-Koggie
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:12:44 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Tour of the Crimson King Message-ID: <20000427181244.46579.qmail@hotmail.com>
New Album From King Crimson, Tour Planned for the Fall
King Crimson has a new album, The Construkction Of Light, due out May 23 on Virgin Records. They will also play three sold-out shows at the 12th & Porter Playroom in Nashville, TN May 19-21. The lineup features Robert Fripp on guitar, Adrian Belew (Frank Zappa, David Bowie, Talking Heads) on guitar, Pat Mastelotto (Mr. Mister) on drums and Trey Gunn on tough guitar.
The band plans to tour in the U.S. and Japan this fall.
What?!? No Tony Levin?!?!?!! They must be mistaken...they HAVE to be!
2nd 70's prog related headline on jambands.com in two days...weird.
-Fran
p.s. What's a 'tough guitar'? Does it have barbed-wire strings or something? Is it extremely difficult? Does it have an attitude problem?
p.p.s. yes, I know they mean 'touch' guitar, so shut up
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:28:46 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Petrucci/Rudess Acoustic Concert!! Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000427142817.00ac8a00@pop.ecosoft.com>
7th row center...
i didn't even see this email come in, i just passed it on by and for some reason it caught my eye...
road trip =)
At 06:08 AM 4/27/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey gang - > >Sorry if this has already been posted, but in case it hasn't, I just saw >this announcement on UACM: > >"On Saturday, June 10th at 8:30 PM John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess of >Dream Theater will have an exclusive, first time ever performance as a duo >in an evening of unplugged music. > >Helen Hayes Performing Arts Center >117 Main St. >Nyack, NY 10960 > >Box office number 914- 358-6333 >Hours are M-Sat 11AM to 6pm >Sunday noon to 6pm >Tickets are $25.00 (twenty five dollars) >Reserved seating" > >Amazing... I never thought I'd be so disappointed to be on vacation in all >my life!! :-) Alas, I will be in Orlando on the day of the concert, >killing any chance of me going to this show. PLEASE PLEASE somebody get a >recording of this! > >Gotta run... Laterz > >- Matt T. > >NP: DT - 12/29/95 >
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