YTSEJAM Digest 5452
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Effects and shtuff...
by EvoReaper@aol.com
2) Re: effects
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
3) Papa Bear Records/Aghora
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
4) Finally got THE single!
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
5) Re: Boots
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
6) Crimson, Bass Effects?
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
7) Pain of Salvation
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) D-Man's not gonna take it..... effects & tube power amps
by Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
9) Re: my final word on selling boots
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5451
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
11) a bit more pain than salvation
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
12) Re: Bootlegs - Bootlegs - Bootlegs
by CT0409@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5451
by IAmClay777@aol.com
14) ndtc (personal contact issue)
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) DT-Fun-Fact
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
16) re: effects & tube power amps
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
17) Effects Pedal
by rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
18) Gathering Question
by MTeiper@aol.com
19) Re: Gathering Question
by Jay Omega <jomega@minn.net>
20) Pain of Salvation
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:56:33 EDT
From: EvoReaper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Effects and shtuff...
Message-ID: <ae.465a964.263d1701@aol.com>
In regards to the speak of effects....
I am going to be adding a G-Force to my set-up. It's a great deal, and a
great unit. (You can order the demo cd from www.tcelectronics.com, along with
the FireworX demo cd).
As far as pitch goes...WaveMechanics is the company that does it. I've
heard good and bad about it. I'll be using my Whammy pedal for all my pitch
needs. Digitech has re-issued the original, with 2 added presets, + MIDI
control. I heard this is better than most Whammy pedals, with the acception
that the unit feels a little flimsy. (Which I agree with) I've seen them from
$169-205. I've gotta WH-2 (2nd run Whammy pedal), but I'll be going to the
WH-4 soon.
Eventides are fairly expensive, and while they're obviously great
units, maybe not as practicle as something like an MPX or a G-Force. As far
as a MIDI controller, I'm more than sure I'll be using a Custom Audio
Electronics RS-10. (I need more info first though). Which is the same unit
Vai has been using for the past couple tours, and seems to be pretty reliable
from the reviews I've heard.
Oh, about Vai and the FireworX, he used it for the US tour, but it left
the rack for the Overseas leg. His rack was a big 12 space...now it's
condensed down to a 7 space shock-mount rack. (In order-Furman Power
Strip-X-Wire Wireless-Roland SDE-3000 Delay-G-Force-Digitech Rack Of Wham-CAE
4x4 Audio Switcher). During the live shows, Steve uses his WH-1 for all his
pitch effects.
Ok, before I fall asleep, (and not wake up until 4pm tomorrow...) I'm gonna
end this letter...
Warm Regards,
Andy
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:07:45 EDT
From: DoubleJay54@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: effects
Message-ID: <99.4258f4b.263d19a1@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/29/00 10:58:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< I'm in the market for a high-end effects
> processor for my guitar rig, and I want to know anyone's suggestions on
> what to buy. What I'm looking for more than anything? Rich reverb &
> chorus effects, and A GOOD PITCH SHIFTER/HARMONIZER!!
>>
Forgive me if someone already said this, i havent read the last few jams,
Alesis makes a great digital reverb for around $100, but if your really into
that tube sound Fender makes a reverb head for around $350ish. As far as a
chorus, the TE Electronic chorus/flanger is IMO the best chorus pedle you can
buy, Its about $350. It can be a chorus or a flanger, and both sound really
nice, but can't be used at the same time, and they share knobs, so you have
to tinker with them between songs at gigs, but still worth it.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:35:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Papa Bear Records/Aghora
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000429233210.26093C-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
Because someone asked...
A good site to pick up anything Levin related, including his new solo
album "Waters of Eden" and the BLUE albums, is direct from his site:
www.papabear.com
Also, I'm curious if anyone has picked up the Aghora album yet. I imagine
I'll pick it up sooner or later anyway; Gordian Knot may be the best album
I own, so if this is anything remotely like it, that's a huge plus. Any
reviews?
--mattt
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:05:11 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Finally got THE single!
Message-ID: <20000430.010553.-23011.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Yippie!
I got the THE eyes single today, adn I gave them the right address.
(listen what an idiot I am) I was tarding with Graham in Australia, I
emailed my address with the last digit wrong, one number off. 2171
instead of the right 2172. So the boot comes all teh way across the
pacific, and the jask ass postman doesn't see a 2171 so he sends it back
to austrailia. Oh well.
Home kicks ass live.
Kurt
"At least study the language before you talk to me"
-James Labrie Tokyo Japan 1995
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:59:52 -0400
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Boots
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000430025427.009b6480@pop.mindspring.com>
At 09:00 PM 4/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
>About boots, I don't see the big deal with selling
>boots. Your basically trading one thing for another.
>Some of us don't have any boots or go to enough
>concerts to tape, so what are we to do? I have
>nothing to trade so if I want a boot and the guy
>doesn't want money, I'm out of luck. I did manage to
>get the HOB broadcast(the audio downloads), but who on
>this list hasn't?
You're not out of luck if you know something about trading. Most people
will do at least a 2 for 1 trade where you send them two blanks per CD you
want. They just keep a blank for their trouble. Many people will just
spin you discs for free, too. Just send them a few discs and a
self-addressed-stamped-envelope and they'll burn them for you. As I said
before - I've got right at 100 Dream Theater shows and have never bought
one (come to think of it, I ordered a Bahr boot once - it was one of the
compilations and I was too naive to know better - I never received it
anyways)... :-)
Whatever you do, though - DO NOT TRADE CDs MADE FROM MP3s. Death to people
who do... :)
Adam
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Adam Pye
alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1
^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:35:50 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Crimson, Bass Effects?
Message-ID: <20000430033550.C12330@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-04-29 at 21:02 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:08:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
> Subject: boots, crimson
>
> on to Crimson, I happen to like the instrumentals on
> Perfect Pair. Just because it may not have a melody
> you can hum doesn't mean its not creative or focused.
> I prefer the instrumentals on that album over the
> vocal tunes except for "dig me". What a cool concept
> for a song anyway.
Hey, man, that's the beautiful thing about Crimson. There's a little
something there for everyone. My keyboardist can't stand the song
"Thrak", but I'm able to appreciate it for what it is.
Which reminds me... JM, I'm going to plug the show again if you don't
tune in this week. :)
---> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:18:24 +0200 > From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> > Subject: King Crimson > > > Hey, Vince: "We're not gonna take it!" :) > > >From "Tommy"? :)
No, you had to be there. Vince, you still have those old Nine Miles soundclips? :)
> With all this talk on this musicians ... almost year passed since I try > to find some of this stuff, Levin, Brufford bands, projects, Upper > Extremities etc ... never did. A friend bought the Project 5 (correct > name?) but other than that - nothing.
There were ProjeKcts 1 through 4, no 5.
> Any server where I can get some stuff from this bands?
You should be able to get whatever you need shipped from Discipline Global Mobile, who have a web site at -- oddly enough -- http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com. Some of the titles you mentioned are distributed by other companies in the US, but I think it's all DGM internationally.
(Funny how even DGM, a British company, differentiates between US and International. Guess we *do* own the stinkin' world. :)
As for samples, you might be hard-pressed. Of course, I (oh, wait... JM, cover your eyes) *do* host a web-based radio show every Saturday, at 4:00 pm US Eastern time, on Seismic Radio, http://www.seismicradio.com, where I play a bunch of this sort of stuff. (See http://miracle.burningblue.net/music/inferno.html for playlists.)
OK, I'm done plugging the show for now. :)
Come to think of it, there may be a way for you to get sound samples. I have never personally checked it out, but on the Official KC/Fripp page, http://www.elephant-talk.com, there's a section called "Elephant Tape" that has some clips. Of what, I don't know, but check it out.
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After all this talk about guitar effects, I have a question for bass players. I'm currently using a Zoom 506 for my effects. It sounds good, and it would probably sound great if I spent more time tweaking my sound. I feel, however, somehow uncool for not having something rack-mounted with pretty blinking lights and such. Anyone have any great successes or spectacular failures with any rack-mount effects gear for bass?
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You know, one more thought. My band, id, is hoping to be ready to play live by June. We're putting the finishing touches on a few songs, and still writing lyrics to a couple, but we're getting there. A month from now, we *should* have enough for at least a 45 minute set. Problem is, once we get that 45-minute set worked up, we're going to need one or two other bands to play the rest of the night if we're going to get any club gigs. So, any and all prog band members in the Long Island area who want to split a night out, please contact me. (Even if you're a soloist, and want to do a set of acoustic guitar, or Stick, or whatever, that's cool too.)
-d
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:22:11 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <002e01bfb27d$2edaa380$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
>>Are there any other PoS albums out and, if so, are they of this >>caliber? >>PLEASE, I HAVE to know.
Joel said: >Yes, there's Entropia. And it's better. :) (IMO)
I agree with Joel. "Entropia" (PoS's debut album) is IMO significantly better than "One Hour....." (as hard as that is to believe). In any event, it's definitely heavier, and much more chaotic.
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:39:50 -0600 From: Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: someone@prognosis.com Subject: D-Man's not gonna take it..... effects & tube power amps Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000430013948.006dc3cc@pop02.syspac.com>
D-Man wrote: >> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:18:24 +0200 >> From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> >> Subject: King Crimson >> >> > Hey, Vince: "We're not gonna take it!" :) >> >> >From "Tommy"? :) > >No, you had to be there. Vince, you still have those old Nine Miles >soundclips? :)
Hahah!! That took me a second to remember :) I don't have the soundclips, but I do remember the guitar solo :) That's cool man, heck I quoted Duran Duran's "Ordinary World" in one of my solos on our demo disc :)
Moving on, Thanks to everyone who replied to my post about guitar effects, especially Mr. Ptacek. I think I'm gonna get the G-Force and go from there. The MPX 1 is interesting, but the part about only having about 20 user-defined presets is THE reason I won't buy it. Is the MPX G2 the same way? Now, the MPX G2 does things I really don't need, and I really loved what I heard from the G-force. Also, the MPX units don't work well with any foot controller other than the Lexicon one...there's about a half second layover when switching presets with any other MIDI controller I've used them with (including my own Art X-15). The Eventide is just way too expensive for 1 damn effect, so I think I'll go TC here. I don't need a pitch shifter to do chords or de-tune effects, just for harmony and simple whammy (mapped to an expression pedal).
>> Now, I know the standard answer would be Eventide, but my price range caps >> out @ about $1400. > > You SHOULD be able to get an Eventide for that price. Do you really >need/want one? You'll still need a Lex or a TC to get your reverbs and >choruses and a lot of other toys!
Chris, Where have you seen an Eventide for $1,400? The least I've seen one is around $2,600.
> 1). I don't know if I would call it the best. I was in EXACTLY the >same position as you this past summer, and I opted for the G2. It was the >closest gear battle I've ever had, but the Lex has more configuration >options that I feel I'll use and the G2 specifically, can do some things >that nothing else can do (esp. related to vintage type sounds that I don't >think you'd use... things like mu-tron and real fuzz and univibe etc.)
That depends. I dig vintage stuff, and I love WEIRD sounds (a reason to go for the TC stuff, I believe). Still, nothing beats a big phat tight rhythm sound :) Especially on the 7 string!
> 2). I don't think you can beat the TC pitch/harmony. They outsourced >to WaveMechanics (I think that's the group) to implement their intelligent >pitch/harmony (Intellipitch uses the exact same processing if you want to >stick with Rocktron).
Yes, but the Intellipitch has it's flaws, and they're serious. Speaking of which, most current Rocktron stuff bites. I really dug their products a few years ago, I thought they were innovative and good. The original Chameleon, Voodoo Valve, and Pirhanna are all EXCELLENT pre-amps, but the new stuff like the Prophesy and the Chameleon 2000 sound horrible and are basically toys compared to their predecessors. And the idea of not being able to control the noise gate on the Prophesy is just a joke. Welcome Rocktron... to the realm of Digitech and DOD :)
>Vai did his little mini clinic/tour and was only >playing from an Ibanez into a Legacy with a G Force (he uses the Fireworx a >lot too, but not at this gig) and the harmony was perfect. Well, as perfect >as you can expect. I videotaped the show... if I was a competent trader, >I'dd offer people copies, but I'm way too slow! :) Anyways, you can't get >the 2 guitarists sound with 1 guitarist, as you already know.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on that video :)
>This thing will allow me to get >anything from brutal Carcass kind of distortions (when used with my existing >preamp... you DO NOT WANT TO USE THE G-2 AS YOUR SOLE TONE GENERATOR!) to >phreaked out Scofield tones, and anywhere in between.
You still playing the TriAxis? Great preamp. Do you often re-EQ it on the MPX G2, or leave the initial sound intact?
>> possibilities are endless and the TONE is to die for), through a BBE, Mesa >> 50/50, and a Mesa Recto 4x12. > > Great tone and the BBE do not co-exist. :) The BBE is there to >compensate for a lack of great tone. Why do so few people with great tone >use BBE? It gives an unnatural compression / harmonic filter to the audio >tone. It has its use, but not in generating anything called "TONE to die >for"
Hehe, maybe you misunderstood...I didn't say the BBE had tone :) In that sentence I was referring to the Chameleon, which when paired with a killer tube amp like the 50/50 sounds incredible. No, the BBE I only use for live shows. It kills tone in the studio, but it really adds punch and clarity to my live sound. I only keep the knobs at about 30% on the BBE anyway... yeah it's just an effect, not a major part of "Tone" :)
>IMNot-At-Fucking-All-Humble-So-I-Know-Someone's-Gonna-Be-Pissed-At-Me-Opinio >n. I've learned to treat the Sonic Maximizer as an effect, not as part of >"tone."
Get off your high horse you fucking fuck fuck! :) Nah, I totally agree dude. Good talking effects. Now here's another gear question for anyone who cares... I noticed Petrucci's gone from using the 2:90s to Dual Recs for his main sound support. Now, is he just using the power section of the dual rec? Also, in comparison, are there major differences between the sound of the 50/50 and the 2:90 (other than the Deep & Modern voicings, which are obvious)? Also, it says the 2:90 is SimulClass, but I only see the 6L6s for power tubes (along with the 12AX7s). The tube config is the same as my 50/50, except with more power and obviously more tubes. Does that mean they run half the 6L6s at Class A?
Thanks again for the help!
NP: Castle of Pain's "King Nothing" Cover (The prog-metal... i.e. 'better' version of the song :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff,
Vince LuPone Guitarist for Obscure http://www.ivorygate.com/obscure/
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:41:35 -0700 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: my final word on selling boots Message-ID: <B5314DDF.CD%schansen@cts.com>
I wasn't gonna say another thing, but since Mr. Paycheck (how "Ptacek" is properly pronounced....heh heh) spoke up again, I felt the need to reply! Can't let you have the last word now, can I Chris? But I'm sure you'll have another witty reply for this post anyway! :) Toooooo-shay (or however you spell that in French!?)
Chris "Paycheck" Ptacek proclaimed in 'Jam 5451: > Unless I'm totally misreading this Chris whateverhisnameis then > he's total slime, and good riddence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But back in Ytsejam 5446, he commanded me: > You shouldn't call these people names. You are better than that.
Ummm....do as I say - don't do what I do....I think I'm seeing a double standard here...... :)
Anyway, I think if you were to have seen the entire ongoing conversation, which I did not post, you might understand at least to a degree where this guy is coming from. He's not from the school of thought where he's trying to make a quick buck off the fans nor was he trying to sit on tapes for the sake of being selfish. Any tapes that he didn't trade out willingly was done for the purpose of using as bargaining material to get other shows from people who *are* hoarding rare shows.
But I digress, it doesn't really matter as he's not into it anymore - a shame since he did a *quality* job of remastering shows and IMHO did a great service to the Rush trading community. Here's hoping that he will, at some point in the future, decide to resume searching for those low gen copies of rare Rush shows to share with all of us...
Setlist Scotty
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:05:56 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5451 Message-ID: <20000430110556.19291.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >Subject: Pain of Salvation >Are there any other PoS albums out and, if so, are they of this caliber? >PLEASE, I HAVE to know.
OHbtCL is a bit mellow compared to Entropia, their first album. This is probably due to a line-up change between the albums. IMO, Entropia is far better. I've listened to One Hour a total of 3 times at most, and Entropia more times than I can count.
Their third album has been recording in the studio for a month now.
D/J
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:12:16 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: a bit more pain than salvation Message-ID: <20000430111216.25563.qmail@hotmail.com>
Pain of Salvation also had a few videos available that they were selling directly. Right now, they don't appear to be available. They weren't in an American format, either, so you may not be missing out due to the absence of selling.
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:16:48 EDT From: CT0409@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bootlegs - Bootlegs - Bootlegs Message-ID: <e3.3c4754c.263d7e30@aol.com>
Hello fellow Jammers!=20 Bootlegs -why are some of you so obsessed to condemn those live recordings??= ?=20 I think, everybody who owns boots has all the regular (official) stuff the=20 band released, right? And they will not stop buying their records, right?!=20 So, why does anybody complain at all? Nobody suffers a commercial loss,=20 right?! If those big managements want to cash in on some live stuff they=20 should release some more regulary. I think, that is the way they can make=20 sure bootlegs don=B4t steal money from them! I personally would like to own= =20 some of the rare live recordings, but I cannot get them, because there are n= o=20 official releases and even less traders of bootlegs in Germany (where I live= ,=20 by the way). So, stop complaining about boots, release more live cuts. And=20 praise DT in everyway possible! I would like some opinions on my comment.=20 CT =20
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:44:00 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5451 Message-ID: <42.4cb8afa.263d92a0@aol.com>
I agree. I played for a while with just two fingers, but after seeing Live in Tokyo I resolved to learn three fingers and promptly moved into four instead. Four fingers isn't too hard, just start playing with all four of them doing something and practice chromatic scales with the metronome using all four fingers (Ironically, I took this advice from Petrucci's video). As for a thumb, it can be handy, but I generally don't use it except for fast arpeggio parts.
>As far as fingerstyle bass playing goes, there's not really any trick to it, just gotta get used to the motion, which is kinda awkward at first. One bit of advice I can offer, though, is to learn to play with three fingers from the very beginning. It's a skill that comes in quite handy (pun intended!), but it's really hard to pick up if you're already used to using only two (or so I'm told =^). You should also hold your right hand in such a way that your wrist is as straight as possible, which will not only make your fingers move more easilly, (don't believe me? wiggle your fingers straight wristed, then wiggle 'em bent wristed...) but will make you less prone to get those spooky hand-crippling repetitive stress injuries. I usually alternate my fingers 1-3-1-3 instead of the traditional 1-2-1-2, because I hold my hand at a 90degree angle to the string, and the third and first finger are equal in length. That's not really conventional technique, though, so don't think you're *supposed* to do it that way...
A few more advanced right hand techniques include using the index finger in an up-down motion, kinda like sitar-pickin'. Good for fast repeated notes on one string, a la 80's metal. And string skipping can be made easier by using the thumb to pluck notes on the lower string and the other fingers on higher strings, kinda banjo-style...(It's the only way I can play some Myung lines...)
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:52:11 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ndtc (personal contact issue) Message-ID: <20000430155211.28335.qmail@hotmail.com>
To Preston Scheuneman....can i get you to contact me again from an address that I can actually reply to? I have more questions :)
apologia to the rest of ya as necessary
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:50:19 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT-Fun-Fact Message-ID: <LOBBJMCAFBFJBCBENPFDEEHLCBAA.finn2@get2net.dk>
DT-Fun-Fact for ya... I've just seen the movie Fierce Creatures and on the end titles it said that Kevin Moore played some hotel manager...whatta coinsidence! That reminded me of last years Tour de France where some company called "PMU" had banners all over the place and each time I saw one of those banners i thought "Pull Me Under"...hmmm...maybe I need a hobby...or a life :)
/me is off to get a life...see ya
Simon Krogh
NP: Yngwie Malmsteen - Fugue
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:22:29 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: "Vince LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: re: effects & tube power amps Message-ID: <001801bfb2f2$93cbcce0$b3d3fea9@madstation>
> there. The MPX 1 is interesting, but the part about only having about 20 > user-defined presets is THE reason I won't buy it. Is the MPX G2 the same > way?
At least 50 programs... and I am pretty sure the MPX 1 is the same. How many more would you possibly need? ESPECIALLY considering the access options when using a footpedal... you can turn on and off any effect with one touch, as well as morph to a second version of the patch (i.e. from "MeanAss" rhythm to "MeanAss" solo with more gain, and longer delay) and continuous control of any parameter or all parameters (and with the MPX R-1 you can also use the toe switch to turn the continuous controller on or off, or to switch what it does).
> Now, the MPX G2 does things I really don't need, and I really loved > what I heard from the G-force.
I think the G-Force is easier to program, whereas I think the G2 is more powerful. Would you USE that power, is a question you (anyone) should ask yourself. In rock music and metal, you might never need it.
> Also, the MPX units don't work well with > any foot controller other than the Lexicon one...there's about a half > second layover when switching presets with any other MIDI controller I've > used them with (including my own Art X-15).
You must have had something hooked up weird or too many midi units in your chain (midi is known for terrible latency). The current MPX stuff (the only Lex stuff I've used) is glitch free. The footcontroller is not proprietary. It has a 7 din plug, only so that it can supply phantom power (a must on any pro footswitch) ... other than that, it's just a midi controller. The R-1 just has more options and a more complicated / robust operating system. It's very similar to the Ground Control, but not as easy to learn (groan)
> Chris, Where have you seen an Eventide for $1,400? The least I've seen > one is around $2,600.
Depends on the model, and I was talking about used. There isn't an Eventide on the market that should go for NEAR $2600 used. I know one person who got one for $1000 and one person who got one for $1200 (one person I know got one for $500 from a guitarist with a crack problem). But if you need Eventide, then only Eventide will do... there's still nothing else on the market like it.
> That depends. I dig vintage stuff, and I love WEIRD sounds (a reason to > go for the TC stuff, I believe). Still, nothing beats a big phat tight > rhythm sound :) Especially on the 7 string!
I am one to always consider tone from the starting point, in terms of building a sound. A big fat rhythm sound, for me, would indicate a bridge pickup, though a tuned preamp eq (low and treble heavy and light on the mids for thrash... very different for other applications... I need my mids!) with about 75-80% of the available gain/drive. Then I would add a delay in the effects loop with 1-10 ms of delay (maybe a 2 tap with 2 values in there) NOT stereo, and between 15-40% wet depending on the application. So the effects processor wouldn't really matter to that chain... anything could work. Its the leads and the more intricate stuff where the choice will make the difference.
> I wouldn't mind getting my hands on that video :)
I'll see what I can do, but I'm already way behind on some trades. I'll let you know later.
> You still playing the TriAxis? Great preamp. Do you often re-EQ it on > the MPX G2, or leave the initial sound intact?
I still can't beat it. There are things I'd rather have, but for my current situation, none of those things would be realistic $$$-wise or volume-wise (I don't like having to practice at full volume). I have not yet EQ'd at ALL with the MPX, with the exception of one-band wah style EQs in an experimental attempt to get that Holdsworth "round" sound.
> to my live sound. I only keep the knobs at about 30% on the BBE anyway... > yeah it's just an effect, not a major part of "Tone" :)
Isn't that weird? When I was all "BBE is the SHIT" back in my "Pantera" days, I would always play through them at Guitar Center and have it cranked up. Then when I got mine, I never had it above around the 30% mark!
> Get off your high horse you fucking fuck fuck! :) Nah, I totally agree > dude. Good talking effects. Now here's another gear question for anyone > who cares... I noticed Petrucci's gone from using the 2:90s to Dual Recs > for his main sound support. Now, is he just using the power section of the > dual rec?
Look at his equipment list (Both MPX units AND a G-Force, coincidentally). He has the 2:90 and TriAxis listed still. I believe he's using the Dual Rectifiers as full on amps, just like the Heartbreaker. Doing otherwise wouldn't make sense. There's no denying that the Dual Rec's sound is unique, and is not the same thing as the Dual Rec preamp in the TriAxis (same preamp, but it sounds different when run through a power amp than when it's all in one head).
> Also, in comparison, are there major differences between the > sound of the 50/50 and the 2:90 (other than the Deep & Modern voicings, > which are obvious)? Also, it says the 2:90 is SimulClass, but I only see > the 6L6s for power tubes (along with the 12AX7s). The tube config is the > same as my 50/50, except with more power and obviously more tubes. Does > that mean they run half the 6L6s at Class A?
The 2:90 is simulclass, and the 50/50 is straight power. That's as big a difference as you can find, next to tube vs. solid. Not sure what the tube per class division is. Some are wired for class A and some for AB. And you'll note that the 2:90 has 8 6L6 power tubes as compared to 4 in the 50/50. That would lead me to believe that it could be a half and half split on the amp classes, since there's only 40 more watts per side with twice the tubes. That may not be true... tube power vs output watts could and probably IS a logarhythmic curve, like power vs db. 2:90 manual is here. ftp://ftp.mesaboogie.com/pub/Stereo%20Simul%202-90.pdf IMO, there's no tone comparison between the 2 amps. The 50/50 is a workhorse, but I don't think that you can choose a 50/50 over a 2:90 if money isn't a concern. The 50/50 is still one of the best power amps you can get. Better than Marshall, Peavey, Fender, etc. DESTROYS ADA and Roctron.
Chris
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:06:44 -0500 From: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Effects Pedal Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000430180643.00efb058@mail.midsouth.rr.com>
I recently purchased a MPX G2 (already had the R1 pedal board that I was using as a MIDI controller). I think it is hard to beat it for the money. I bought mine mail order at 8th Street Music (www.8thstreet.com). I paid $1029. No tax, no shipping....$1,029. I doubt that you will beat the price. You might have enough left over to buy the R1.
Richard
e-mail: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com www: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/rwarren
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:23:13 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Gathering Question Message-ID: <9d.4c76e5b.263e1a61@aol.com>
Well, after continuing to be absolutely blown away by "Nighttime Birds" (which has been pretty much the only CD to successfully and consistently replace SFAM in the CD player), I took the plunge this weekend and ordered the other 2 studio Gathering CD's with Anneke on vox: "Manylion" and "How To Measure a Planet". I have a question about "Mandylion"... how do you pronounce it? Is it "MAN-dee-lion" (rhymes with "dandelion") or is it pronounced "man-DIL-yon" (rhymes with "million")? Or is it something altogether different? Just curious.
Can't wait for the CD's to get here... Matt T.
NP: Nighttime Birds... what else? :o)
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:15:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jomega@minn.net> To: Just Words <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Gathering Question Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004301911160.8651-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 MTeiper@aol.com wrote: > [...] I have a question about "Mandylion"... how do you > pronounce it? Is it "MAN-dee-lion" (rhymes with "dandelion") or is it > pronounced "man-DIL-yon" (rhymes with "million")? Or is it something > altogether different? Just curious.
Um, I once heard "man-DIL-ee-un", but I couldn't come up with any definitive source the one time I hunted around on the net. Anyway, it's another name for the Shroud of Turin (alleged to be Jesus Christ's burial garment), so I doubt it has a name as silly-sounding as Mandy-Lion. But what do I know? :)
--Jay "and the new studio album's being delayed. Damn!" Omega --NP: Doctor Eaerth, on Ytseradio. www.ytseradio.com
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <20000501012347.5583.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com>
As someone has already pointed out, PoS has two albums to its credit, one of which (OHbtCL) is nothing short of wonderful, and the other, Entropia (which actually is their first album) that makes OHbtCL look like a festering pile of dogshit by comparison. Yes, it's THAT good. Oh sure, you'll find people that like OHbtCL better, but hey, we all know a few people who could stand to be beaten with sticks...
Entropia - from a band who will release (I suspect) nothing less than a string of masterpieces and yet never top their first.
Mike
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