YTSEJAM Digest 5432
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
3) re: DT Font
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
5) MP3s
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
8) RE: MP3s
by "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@tdsmith.org>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
by EvoReaper@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
11) Naptallica
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
12) DT covers
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
13) Dragons Fire Realm and Mp3's
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
14) Re: Naptallica
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest
by Kirk McClellan <kkjmm@flash.net>
16) Re: Chevy Chase
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
19) Re: Re: Days of the New
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
20) Re: Chevy Chase
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
21) Re: Metallica
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
22) M@#$%^&*A & Napster
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
23) THE single question
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
24) Napster
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:39:33 -0700
From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
Message-ID: <38F8EFA5.A2A5E563@home.com>
I wanna ask you something.
is there anybody here knows where can I
download the MP3 files of the great guitarist
such as Tony Macalpine , Vinnie Moore ,
Michael Angelo , etc ?
mIRC is the best place to go for this. i have all the artists mentioned
above and many many others. Napster is also a good program to grab but
it all depends on the server you get upon connection.
so on mIRC, the best server is Undernet. then goto a channel.
#mp3_metal
#hardrock&metalmp3
#mp3-metal
all you have to do is enter the command: @find Jason Becker ( for
example )
then voila!
your in there like swimwear.
and mIRC metal channels have wayyyy more prog,solo,etc,metal than any
place else. but for the less patient, grab napster. everytime you log
on, its different so its a bit of a lottery.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:41:51 -0700
From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
Message-ID: <38F8F02F.8C412EBD@home.com>
i have a trillion guitarists on mp3. everything from michael romeo to
even dweezil zappa! if anyone wants to trade then get back to me via
icq.
thanx
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:57:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: DT Font
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004151757050.23732-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
Jpbwildcat@aol.com wrote:
> I was wondering if someone knew what type of text/font is used for the
> actual Dream Theater name that you see on their albums? How would you
> create something like that? I would appreciate any info and help.
> Thanks!!!
That font is actually something that was created specifically for the
band, it is not based on any available font.
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:04:29 -0700
From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
Message-ID: <38F8F57D.A6CFEA5E@home.com>
Somewhere in there, if we could put an image (maybe fuzzy and dark) of
the
House of Blues logo. Maybe on the gravestones (if you decide to put
some on
there).
im interested in this contest and im already guaranteeing my victory,
(mainly because i'm a graphic arts grad and still doing cool things like
this independently). its just that i need to know where to grab this
HOB logo from.
thanx
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:20:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3s
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004151757290.23732-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
Most of the people that I know use MP3s legitimately. I don't know a
single person (personally) who downloads MP3s in lieu of buying a disc
that they would have bought had the MP3s not been available.
Personally, I have downloaded entire albums in MP3 format before. I
downloaded all of Symphony-X's The Devine Wings of Tragedy, and I had SFaM
months before it was actually released. But in both cases, I bought the
album on CD as soon as I could. I have also downloaded entire albums that
I didn't care for, and not only did I not buy the album, but I also no
longer have the MP3s. In cases like this, MP3s serve as kind of a
'listening station' of sorts. If I like it, I buy it, if I don't, I get
rid of it.
I have also downloaded entire bootlegs in MP3 format. By bootleg, I mean
a concert recording, not a knock off of an album. This is material that
the band would not have been getting money from in the first place, so I'm
not taking away anything by getting the MP3s. I don't have any bootlegs
for which I don't *own* the accompanying official album releases from the
band. It just happens that MP3 is an excellent medium for distributing
concert recordings and rare tracks that aren't officially available
anyway.
My fiancee uses MP3s to put together what I call 'one-hit-wonder' CD-Rs.
She gets the one song she likes from a band, converts it to .wav and burns
it to an audio CD with other songs from other bands. Yes, it is true that
she is not buying the album that that song is on, but since she only likes
one song from the band, she never would have bought the CD anyway. And
most of these songs are the ones that travel over the airwaves in regular
rotation, so they are 'freely available' in a sense anyway. In this case,
the record companies are not being screwed out of anything because she
wouldn't have bought the disc anyway; and she get a CD quality copy of a
song she likes.
The one thing that no one I know does, and the one use for MP3s that I
totally disagree with is just getting an album that you like in MP3 format
alone, and not shelling out the money for a legit copy. Like the guy
mentioned in the last 'jam who has 2,000 albums in MP3 format only and
has not actually bought any of the albums even though he likes them. That
*is* ripping off the record company and the artist responsible for the
music, and I don't agree with using MP3s for that.
As I said, MP3s are a great achievement, and they have the benefits of
great quality, wide distribution, exposure for unknown artists,
availability of rare/live material, 'preview listening,' compilation
CD-Rs, etc... The only thing the Napster opponents have to cling to are
those people who are ONLY getting MP3s and not the corresponding albums
(assuming they would have bought the album if the MP3s were not
available). But everyone that I know, and I am sure a good 95% of the
people on this list are still supporting the bands and labels in every way
that they did before the advent of MP3, and for us, MP3 is not a
replacement, but rather an enhancement of the whole music experience.
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:15:08 -0400
From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430
Message-ID: <20000415.192014.-959185.1.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> Another good theme to cover: "Fletch". Did you hear Chevy Chase died
in a
> boating accident?
Dude, I hope you're joking... That'd suck, bad.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:55:09 -0700
From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
Message-ID: <38F9015D.DDE1C076@home.com>
Here's some info for those into Zappa.
well my qestion is this:
dweezil zappa was comming out with an album titled "what the hell was i
thinking". now i dont know if this is completed or what (ive been out of
the shred scene for a while) and what this album is all about goes
something like this:
its a one song composition
over 60/70 min long!
over 20 guitar legends on it
trillions of musical changes as expected
i heard a clip of it and it just blew my mind
anyone into guitar would just eat it up
.so if anyone knows anymore about this masterpeice please let me know!!
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:53:36 +0100
From: "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@tdsmith.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: MP3s
Message-ID: <GKEOIDNEGMBPLFLLKJIMOEDICBAA.tdsmith@tdsmith.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Pat Griffin
> Sent: 16 April 2000 00:33
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: MP3s
Amen to that.
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- T.D. Smith -- tdsmith@tdsmith.org -- 1491970 -- http://www.tdsmith.org =======================================================------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:05:45 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431 Message-ID: <7b.30237ea.262a5dd9@aol.com>
Here are some songs I'd love to hear DT cover:
For The Love Of God -S. Vai
One-Metallica
Inside Out-Anthrax
Cemetary Gates-Pantera
Someone Else?-Queensr=FFche
Carry On Wayward Son-Kansas-(A FULL version)
By the way, my name is Andy. My last post about Metallica, (Get on your knee= s=20 and suck) one, was my first.=20 I live in Maine, and am a guitar player in a prog/metal band.=20
See ya,
Andy
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:15:13 -0700 From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431 Message-ID: <38F90611.62C074F1@home.com>
Don't they sometimes play this in the extended solo of Take the Time? Just the tapping part and a bit of the riff. BTW. who else thinks the outro they do for the song live is one of the best things ever?
this is sooo true. the first time i heard the outro for Take the Time (live in tokyo video) my friends and i were completely floored. we just kept rewinding them dam tape and watched everything petrucci did! the ammount of feeling put into that solo is overly noticable. if anyone hasnt heard it yet, do yourselves a favour and check it out. Witness perfection again.
"find all you need in your mind, when you take the time!"
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:48:03 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Cc: <Uroborosss@aol.com> Subject: Naptallica Message-ID: <001c01bfa73d$6d5390e0$9a38fea9@madstation>
> From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com> > Subject: Metallica Law Suit
> All respect for Metallica just went out the window. I was willing to put up > with their new Alternica, but now obviously any kind of artistic intentions > they still had with them went out the window. Its so obvious that they're > in it JUST for the money now. Art is something that should be open to all. > Buying and selling is what makes it a commodity.
When are people like you going to get it through your heads? If you want to survive off your music, you have to separate the music and the money aspect. Fuck anyone who bitches because they can't get a free copy of what they should pay for in the first place. You try living off "free" "art." These aren't bootlegs. They're alternatives to paying for things that you don't feel like paying for, and that's just fucking greedy. The argument that "the band doesn't need the money" is perhaps the biggest problem of all, because I have not yet met one person who DLs and/or copies readily available albums to MP3, who has ever made the decision that "the band needs the money." For that matter, why do the band's "needs" come into play? What about their fucking RIGHTS? If I steal Bill Gates' car and get caught, I'm still going to prison. "Yeah, officer, but he doesn't need it! He can buy another one!" You're being dishonest with yourself if you pretend that you have some right to make and trade MP3s, instead of paying the $13 the cd costs. The attitude that one can just go ahead and make decisions for the band in terms of what they should sell and what they should give away is the most ego driven, dishonest bullshit. You shouldn't have the opportunity to make the value judgment. Legally, you DON'T have that opportunity. I don't know what makes me want to be a musician less... seeing that fans of a band are so willing to fuck over the band because they have a way to save a couple bucks, and who bitch and moan when the band is upset that t hey're getting screwed... or just the fact that I had to defend the most despicable band known to man, against someone who may actually be more despicable.
- Chris
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:34:29 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT covers Message-ID: <20000415.211230.-959185.2.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> And then crazy train from Ozzy.
Nah, Crazy Train's been done to death. Even Collective Soul did it. If they're gonna cover Ozzy, they should do either Mr. Crowley or Road to Nowhere (who thinks Dio could have sung Mr. Crowley better than Ozzy???)
Actually, I think Type O Negative could probably do a killer version of Mr. Crowley, if they haven't already.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:43:47 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dragons Fire Realm and Mp3's Message-ID: <20000415.211230.-959185.4.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
Re: Lars Ulrich's territorial pissings
I have no problem with musicians trying to get rich off their music; I only have a problem when they pretend that they're not. Lars - shut the hell up, you're in it for the money, don't act like you're not. You're loaded, what do you care? Your cheesy-ass band (that can't write symphonic music worth shit, but nobody knows any better) isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so just sit tight and the royalty checks will come in.
Anybody know what Dragon's Fire Realm is? I think it's a mailing list like the Ytsejam, except I mysteriously got signed up for it somehow. Actually, I mysteriously got signed up for Ytsejam, too, but at least Ytsejam was in digest mode. It seems to be musically oriented, so I'm guessing someone pulled my name off the Ytsejam. To whoever did - unsign me, now, please.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Naptallica Message-ID: <20000416014956.11663.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com>
> These aren't bootlegs. They're alternatives to > paying for things that > you don't feel like paying for, and that's just > fucking greedy.
Ah yes, time for me to push the bullshit button. Okay, here we go. A lot of up and coming bands can't wait to get their mp3s on the web since that way people can get their music for free and maybe buy their CD, if they ever get signed to a bigtime record label.
Established acts can't wait to get their mp3s out there since it's basically free promotion. Pearl Jam, the Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica (at one point), Tom Petty, Alanis Morissette, No Doubt, Tori Amos and other big time acts have extolled the virtues of .mp3 b/c .mp3 can, in theory, free them of those evil record label contracts and allow them to do things on their own terms. It's rather simple. It's better for, say, Alanis Morissette that a download an entire album of her material and then go to one of her shows and buy a t-shirt b/c she sees more of that money than she would from me simply buying one of her CDs and calling it square.
It's odd how it works tho, b/c the bigger the band is, the more money they make per CD. The more money they make per CD, the more they want you to buy it since they make more money than the concert/t-shirt route. In short, only the greedy fuckers want you to do that (and only some of them at that). When I d/l mp3s, it's an opportunity for me to find out if it's something I like. Thanks to .mp3, I didn't have to buy 311's 'Soundsystem' CD to figure out that I didn't like it. No money lost either way.
===== *Trent
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:46:18 -0500 From: Kirk McClellan <kkjmm@flash.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest Message-ID: <38F9297A.4E77222C@flash.net>
One more time..... unsubscribe me or I will file a complaint with my mail server that you are spaming me...... I have requested aleast 3 times to stop sending you digest to me. I don't want it, I don't read it and I'm tired of it being sent.
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:45:24 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Chevy Chase Message-ID: <003401bfa76f$58208d40$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Brian said: >Did you hear Chevy Chase died in a >boating accident?
Chevy Chase died? When did this happen?
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:53:31 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431 Message-ID: <20000416.015406.-22693.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
<Not only should these cases be thrown out of court, but the judge should reverse judgement and fine Metallica and the RIAA for being idiots and wasting the judicial system's time.>
LMFAOROTFF!!!!!
Thats too funny. I could not have said it better.
<They're pretty bad, especially on Home. He sings most of it totally out of key. Probably a problem with his monitors, I just wonder why they released it ...>
DUUUHHHHH Haven't you people learned anything form the last jam? Metallica is only.. Wait THE is form DT. I have heard James off that tour, it wasn't his finest moment. But I think his outfit in Take the Time might have been it. How much money you yall like to wager that these bands will join the Napster suit soon:
Kid Rock (lars little bitch) Limp Bizkit Backstreet Boys Britney Spears ( still can't believe she covered the Stones' satisfaction, but wait, think of the royalties the stones will get form the diamond record sales, they will then join the Napster suit making more money to buy laxatives)
And every other pop band in history that sells records.
This whole law thing made me thionk about a dream I had. My mom (don't laugh) has questioned the leaglity of trading boots. Well I had a dream that I was on the stand in a court room for illegal distribution of Dream Theater's material, and right befeore the guilty verdict, Mike and James storm through the doors, and set me free. pretty cool. Headlines read : Mike and James of DT save Guilty party in court. Funny stuff. And then the one last night, Candyman was in my house, (not candyman, Tony Todd) pretending to be a cop. I called the police and found out there was no cop that fit his description, thgn I found out he was an escaped killer. He came after me and I was scared. Im tired, Im going to bed :)
The last Jam was one of the most entertaining in a while :)
Kurt NP-Korn (S/T)
Kurt
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:02:25 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431 Message-ID: <B51ECFB1.44BB%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 4/16/00 1:57 AM, Kurt M Hampton at kurt.hampton@juno.com assaulted his keyboard with:
> This whole law thing made me thionk about a dream I had. My mom (don't > laugh) has questioned the leaglity of trading boots. Well I had a dream > that I was on the stand in a court room for illegal distribution of Dream > Theater's material, and right befeore the guilty verdict, Mike and James > storm through the doors, and set me free.
You know, this marks at least a dozen times that I've read about people having dreams about DT or jam-related issues, and all I can say is, what in the hell is wrong with you losers? I mean, come on, who the
FUCK
has dreams about some lame lawsuit and then their superhero band rescues them? This is like a dream a 5 year old would have about superman. Sorry, but it's plain fuckin pathetic. I recommend a hearty dose of porn before bed, maybe you'll have some real dreams.
-Brian
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:53:04 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re: Days of the New Message-ID: <0DA6C6C4BE214D11DA1E00807CFD5BDB@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
In a message dated 4/13/00 6:26:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< I agree with whoever it was that said Days of the New rocks and needs more fans, they have a great song in 7 on their first album, havent heard their 2nd. . . yet. >>
Personally, I think they're just a blatant rip off of Alice in Chains acoustic side. Travis Meeks sounds like he's trying to BE Layne Staley. Just my opinion though..... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0-Mike C.
Personally, I'd call it having influences. Meeks is influenced by AIC, but to call them a blatant ripoff of AIC isn't fair. Is Shadow Gallery or Lemur Voice a rip off of Dream Theater or Savatage?
Just a rebuttal. Buy the new Days Of The New. Great CD.
Rob
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:23:40 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Chevy Chase Message-ID: <38F9BEDC.33BD21A5@yunque.net>
Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> Brian said: > >Did you hear Chevy Chase died in a > >boating accident? > > Chevy Chase died? When did this happen? > > - Joe D.
He didnt at least, it isnt mentioned in either the internet movie database, or some of his sites i searched...
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metallica Message-ID: <20000416160347.5686D30B9@sitemail.everyone.net>
I personally find the whole Metallica thing insulting. I was a fan of theirs up until the "Load (of crap)" albums when they obviously sold out to get more of the money that rolled in from the "Black" album.
Then they flat out lied to me - saying they aren't in it for the money.
So then they release Garage Inc & S&M - two blatant effortd to cash in.
Then They flat out lied again "We're expanding our horizons" - more like their portfoolios.
Ever notice that the last 4 albums all came out right before Christmas? The old marketing ploy to get Xmas $$$.
Now a lawauit??? - Metallica is out to make a 'Fourtune in Lies' and frankly I hate being lied to.
I don't mind a band changing their music and production value to get more airplay and make more money - Some of my favorite band have done it in the past- but don't lie to me about it.
-Koggie
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:34:45 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: M@#$%^&*A & Napster Message-ID: <20000416163445.23596.qmail@hotmail.com>
any other jambands fans on this list just sittin' back and laughing? -Fran
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:40:10 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Cc: "'totikus@gmx.net'" <totikus@gmx.net> Subject: THE single question Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D34011BFA64@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Anyone know how James' vocals are on the live >> tracks of the THE single? I've heard he doesn't >> sing very well, in which case I wouldn't buy the CD.
Uh oh. Now that we have just reinvented the Matt Bahr thread, a Metallica thread, the last thing we need is .....
The CD single is a good thing to have and isn't that expensive anyhow. Let ome fresh air into your wallet and buy it !! However, it shows the band live and raw without (I assume) any touchups at all. Not polished but guess what - I LOVE THAT THEY DO THIS !!!! It isn't perfect, but so what ?? Part of me would have loved to jack up the CD single with 70+ minutes. Hell, I would have added the whole Met 1 into Met 2 opening segment. And JLMB is finally OK in my book with Jordan adding a cool solo bit in the middle.
The live version of Home is pretty cool although I am biased a lot because I like the song a ton. The medley is a medley. And as such, I am biased to HATE these things although I told MP I wouldn't reinvent that thread so he wouldn't kick the crap out of me so I wont. Just because 80% of DT fans dont care for medleys and would prefer to hear fewer songs in their entirely doesn't mean that we should say so so I wont.
Relating to James, he does OK with Home but as we all know this is from SFAM which had James selecting to take the safer (read: lower) registers. Note that myself and a lot of small furry creatures that live near venues personally prefer James not wailing but I know a lot of others dont. Masochists !! Nonetheless, in the medley it is rather painful to hear him take the lower registers on songs (er, "portions of songs") that we have all come to expect differently. And, he does crack a bit as well. Sad to say but it is kind of like watching Ewing play nowadays.
And speaking of James, what's this I heard recently about him pulling another public relations boner in France recently. True ?? He had been doing better in this area. But, I start to digress. What is next ?? Al vs. Pat again ??
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:46:59 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Napster Message-ID: <001d01bfa7dc$888c4100$0200010a@steve>
> Art is something that should be open to all.
Art IS open to all. If you like a painting, you're free to go to the National Gallery of Art and look at it from 10 am to 5 pm. If that isn't enough for you, you're free to lay down some cash for a print of said painting, or a book of prints containing said painting.
If you like Metallica's (or any band's) music, you're free to catch it on the radio. If that isn't enough for you, you're free to lay down the cash and buy the CD.
Art is something that should be open to all who are willing to PAY for it.
> I have heard Metallica's last two albums, I'd like to know what 'art' Lars > is refering to.
I'd like to see a little less of this kind of drivel since this topic is BANNED.
> The same thing goes for the RIAA's lawsuit against Napster. I admit that > I am not that well versed in Napster (I don't have it) but I have not seen > one thing that indicates that they were going out telling people to trade > illegal MP3s of copywritten material.
Is that the extent of criminal activity? Of course not. Providing a means for people to obtain stolen goods (whether from an unsanctioned website or from another person) is illegal.
> All they did was provide a means of > trading files, they can't be held responsible because some people use it > for illegal purposes (which I understand is listed as a violation of > Napster's terms of usage).
Yeah, but that's like a bar in a college town - it has the same under-21 policy as any other bar, but if the proprietors don't enforce it, they can and should be held accountable.
> So people distribute songs on MP3, big f'ing > deal. People distribute tapes, CD-Rs, and VHS bootlegs and copies all the > time, and I don't see the MPAA or the RIAA suing the makers of cassette > decks, CD-Rs and VCRs.
CD-R's, videos, and tapes are just as illegal as 'traded' mp3's, but the other practical, LEGAL uses of the aforementioned recording media FAR outweigh the not-so-illegal uses of Napster.
> For small bands I think mp3s are great because they rarely > make money from CDs anyway but from tours. The more people they can > get hearing their music, the more people come to see them on tour. For bigger, > established bands though, Napster is very serious threat.
Amen. I'm all in favor of mp3 distribution for bands who sanction such distibution.
> I know of at least one guy, who has 2000 albums all in mp3, all off > the net and he never buys an orginal CD, now how many more like > this leech are out there? Thousands I bet.
I bet too. The more people continue to contribute to the notion that art cannot be a commodity and that therefore it should be free, the more established bands/acts will suffer.
Mp3 trading is a problem, but it's really just a symptom of the real stasis here: should music be 'free'? Many people (most of whom are probably non-musicians or just don't take 'musician' seriously as an occupation) think that music should be free. I don't know WHERE that attitude comes from, but it's asinine. Musicians provide a service for the people, and anyone who chooses to partake of that service owes the musicians some compensation. Can anyone justfy exactly WHY music should be free?
I'll tell you how you can get free music: pick up your guitar, sit at your piano, sing, whatever, and CREATE something. THAT is free music. It's perfectly legal and no one can ever take it away from you. Then, if you like, by all means, rip an mp3 and put it on a website for all to enjoy. That is the END of all the free music you're entitled to.
Steve Z
ps, with Pitrelli now a full-time member of Megadeth, what does that say about Savatage? They wouldn't be the same without him.
pps, the new Savatage better rule, because the new TSO SUCKS!
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