YTSEJAM Digest 5433
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432
by Nathan Hayes <nathanhayes2000@yahoo.com>
2) DT dreams and $13 CD's
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Napster
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
4) Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432
by "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
6) Metallawsuit
by Scarred2112@aol.com
7) DT and SB in Italy
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) accountability
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
9) Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
10) Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432
by IAmClay777@aol.com
12) chromakey
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) Destiny's End
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
14) Re: Naptallica
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
16) Good Luck....
by MelodyDrone@cs.com
17) Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
18) Re: Naptallica
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Hayes <nathanhayes2000@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432
Message-ID: <20000416205104.12548.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com>
please take me off the list now, sorry... nathan
--- ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> YTSEJAM Digest 5432
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
> by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
> by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> 3) re: DT Font
> by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
> 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> 5) MP3s
> by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
> 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430
> by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> 8) RE: MP3s
> by "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@tdsmith.org>
> 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> by EvoReaper@aol.com
> 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> 11) Naptallica
> by "Christopher W. Ptacek"
> <someone@digitalrodent.com>
> 12) DT covers
> by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> 13) Dragons Fire Realm and Mp3's
> by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> 14) Re: Naptallica
> by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
> 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest
> by Kirk McClellan <kkjmm@flash.net>
> 16) Re: Chevy Chase
> by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
> 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
> 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
> 19) Re: Re: Days of the New
> by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
> 20) Re: Chevy Chase
> by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
> 21) Re: Metallica
> by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
> 22) M@#$%^&*A & Napster
> by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
> 23) THE single question
> by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
> 24) Napster
> by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
>
>
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>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:39:33 -0700
> From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
> Message-ID: <38F8EFA5.A2A5E563@home.com>
>
>
>
> I wanna ask you something.
> is there anybody here knows where can I
> download the MP3 files of the great guitarist
> such as Tony Macalpine , Vinnie Moore ,
> Michael Angelo , etc ?
>
>
> mIRC is the best place to go for this. i have all
> the artists mentioned
> above and many many others. Napster is also a good
> program to grab but
> it all depends on the server you get upon
> connection.
>
> so on mIRC, the best server is Undernet. then goto a
> channel.
> #mp3_metal
> #hardrock&metalmp3
> #mp3-metal
>
> all you have to do is enter the command: @find Jason
> Becker ( for
> example )
> then voila!
> your in there like swimwear.
>
> and mIRC metal channels have wayyyy more
> prog,solo,etc,metal than any
> place else. but for the less patient, grab napster.
> everytime you log
> on, its different so its a bit of a lottery.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:41:51 -0700
> From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429
> Message-ID: <38F8F02F.8C412EBD@home.com>
>
>
> i have a trillion guitarists on mp3. everything from
> michael romeo to
> even dweezil zappa! if anyone wants to trade then
> get back to me via
> icq.
> thanx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:57:28 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: re: DT Font
> Message-ID:
>
<Pine.GSO.4.10.10004151757050.23732-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
>
>
>
> Jpbwildcat@aol.com wrote:
> > I was wondering if someone knew what type of
> text/font is used for the
> > actual Dream Theater name that you see on their
> albums? How would you
> > create something like that? I would appreciate
> any info and help.
> > Thanks!!!
>
> That font is actually something that was created
> specifically for the
> band, it is not based on any available font.
>
>
> h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r
> e d . c o m /
> | Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality
> Squared Design |
> h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r
> e d . c o m /
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:04:29 -0700
> From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5431
> Message-ID: <38F8F57D.A6CFEA5E@home.com>
>
>
> Somewhere in there, if we could put an image (maybe
> fuzzy and dark) of
> the
> House of Blues logo. Maybe on the gravestones (if
> you decide to put
> some on
> there).
>
> im interested in this contest and im already
> guaranteeing my victory,
> (mainly because i'm a graphic arts grad and still
> doing cool things like
> this independently). its just that i need to know
> where to grab this
> HOB logo from.
> thanx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:20:26 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: MP3s
> Message-ID:
>
<Pine.GSO.4.10.10004151757290.23732-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
>
>
>
> Most of the people that I know use MP3s
> legitimately. I don't know a
> single person (personally) who downloads MP3s in
> lieu of buying a disc
> that they would have bought had the MP3s not been
> available.
>
> Personally, I have downloaded entire albums in MP3
> format before. I
> downloaded all of Symphony-X's The Devine Wings of
> Tragedy, and I had SFaM
> months before it was actually released. But in both
> cases, I bought the
> album on CD as soon as I could. I have also
> downloaded entire albums that
> I didn't care for, and not only did I not buy the
> album, but I also no
> longer have the MP3s. In cases like this, MP3s
> serve
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:12:17 PDT
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT dreams and $13 CD's
Message-ID: <20000416211217.83874.qmail@hotmail.com>
You know, this marks at least a dozen times that I've read about people
having dreams about DT or jam-related issues, and all I can say is, what in
the hell is wrong with you losers? I mean, come on, who theFUCK
has dreams about some lame lawsuit and then their superhero band rescues
them? This is like a dream a 5 year old would have about superman. Sorry,
but it's plain fuckin pathetic. I recommend a hearty dose of porn before
bed, maybe you'll have some real dreams.
Once I had a dream that I went to see DT and there were all these merch
booths like they have at hippie festivals and everyone there were
Korn-listenen' badass wannabes and I ran into MP and he went to the bar and
got me a glass of grape juice (!!?). I woke up before the show actually
started though.
And to the guy who thinks that, rather than obtaining illegal mp3's we
should just pay the $13 for the CD, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR CD'S?!?!
And if napster should be illegal because it provides people with a means of
obtaining stolen goods, i.e. breaking the law, then my car should be illegal
because it provides me with a means of reckless driving, and dirt should be
illegal because it provides me with a means of growing marijuana, and oxygen
should be illegal because it provides me with a means of burning down
someone's house, etc.
Fran
np: Max Creek - Something is Forming.mp3 (obtained 100% legally, btw)
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ho, I'm here in the middle of this fucking huge land mass and I don't ever
think about being able to walk to the Arctic Circle, because I'm too busy
thinking about in how many other places its 4:20 right now. Sorry, dude, ho
ho."
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Napster
Message-ID: <20000416212234.2193.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com>
> Is that the extent of criminal activity? Of course
> not.
> Providing a means for people to obtain stolen goods
> (whether from
> an unsanctioned website or from another person) is
> illegal.
Are you joking? Hope so. I own a Honda. If I use my
Honda to drive me to my local Quickie Mart and hold
the place up, is Honda liable for me using the car
they manufactured as a means to get to a place, rob it
and then get away?
And what about the gun I used to do so? Should Smith
& Wesson be held liable for my criminal activies since
they did, after all, manufacture the gun.
Everyone knows that Napster is not supposed to be used
for trading "illegal" mp3s, but the fact of the matter
is that it is. Instead of trying to be little bitches
about this, Metallica can turn this into an
opportunity. And anyway, how many people legitimately
want to d/l Alternica anyway? Load sucked and ReLoad
was only slightly better. Lookin' forward to an all
acoustic CD called UnLoad... *snort*
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*Trent
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:07:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10004161804110.39596-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
> You know, this marks at least a dozen times that I've read about
> people having dreams about DT or jam-related issues, and all I can say
> is, what in the hell is wrong with you losers? I mean, come on, who
> theFUCK has dreams about some lame lawsuit and then their superhero
> band rescues them? This is like a dream a 5 year old would have about
> superman. Sorry, but it's plain fuckin pathetic. I recommend a hearty
> dose of porn before bed, maybe you'll have some real dreams.
Umm, what the hell kind of insult is this? A person can't control what
they dream (that is, unless they KNOW it's a dream). You're going to
insult them because of what's in their subconscious? That's like keying
somebody's car: They can't do anything about it, and you're just low for
doing something so disrespectful. To insult something like a dream which
can't be controlled or changed is, to me, the equivalent of insulting
someone's skin color or sex.
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:16:56 CDT
From: "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432
Message-ID: <20000416221656.68225.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>please take me off the list now, sorry... nathan
Sorry, but begging and pleading won't get you off the list.
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Here's how:
Read all directions BEFORE sending an email.
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:24:23 EDT
From: Scarred2112@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metallawsuit
Message-ID: <86.252165c.262b9797@aol.com>
Am I the only one loving the irony of this situation? A band who has
profited off a video of bootleg footage now suing to stop the distribution of
bootlegs that they don't make any money off of....
Lars, remember "Cliff 'em All"? ;)
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:29:10 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT and SB in Italy
Message-ID: <8e.3cd2b17.262b98b6@aol.com>
Did anyone attend this show? I heard there was a group of fans who were
throwing things at Spock's Beard. What happened?
jim
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:44:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: accountability
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004161739140.26481-100000@darkhorse.webzone.net>
On 04/16/00 2:30pm, thus spake Trent:
| And what about the gun I used to do so? Should Smith & Wesson be
| held liable for my criminal activies since they did, after all,
| manufacture the gun.
not to pick nits, but several gun manufacturers ARE being sued for
similar acts. not that i agree with it, or any of this napster shite.
ObDTC: man, this A Perfect Circle album kicks ass.
-- jOHN jENS jJENS@wEBZONE.nET http://sHELL.wEBZONE.nET/~jjens"show me the way to your shooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess....."
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:00:13 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's Message-ID: <B51FB02D.44E5%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 4/16/00 5:21 PM, Andrew Coutermarsh at a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu assaulted his keyboard with:
> >> You know, this marks at least a dozen times that I've read about >> people having dreams about DT or jam-related issues, and all I can say >> is, what in the hell is wrong with you losers? I mean, come on, who >> theFUCK has dreams about some lame lawsuit and then their superhero >> band rescues them? This is like a dream a 5 year old would have about >> superman. Sorry, but it's plain fuckin pathetic. I recommend a hearty >> dose of porn before bed, maybe you'll have some real dreams. > > Umm, what the hell kind of insult is this? A person can't control what > they dream (that is, unless they KNOW it's a dream). You're going to > insult them because of what's in their subconscious? That's like keying > somebody's car: They can't do anything about it, and you're just low for > doing something so disrespectful. To insult something like a dream which > can't be controlled or changed is, to me, the equivalent of insulting > someone's skin color or sex.
Dude, I was just being a dork. Chill out. Yeah, I know you can't really control your dreams...but I still say it's pretty sad being so obsessed with a band that you have dreams about them being superheros. I mean, I could understand if the person having the dream were a 12 year old girl and the band was n sync. ;D
And talking about low, low is playing the racism and sexism card for no apparent reason. Get a grip, my friend.
-Brian
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:25:39 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's Message-ID: <38FA4BF3.9F1040DE@yunque.net>
Brian Hayden wrote:
> Dude, I was just being a dork. Chill out. Yeah, I know you can't really > control your dreams...but I still say it's pretty sad being so obsessed with > a band that you have dreams about them being superheros. I mean, I could > understand if the person having the dream were a 12 year old girl and the > band was n sync. ;D > > And talking about low, low is playing the racism and sexism card for no > apparent reason. Get a grip, my friend. > > -Brian > >
Well ive never dreamed about DT being superheroes, but i HAVe dreamt about seeing DT live (which i have yet to do!! >.< ) Then again ive dreamt i was Gordon (in half life) and that i was fox mulder and got it on with gillian anderson..so my dreams arent that "normal" either :P
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:16 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432 Message-ID: <3c.2b2fa03.262bb02c@aol.com>
Since somebody mentioned LemurVoice, I'd like to ask what people think of their first/second albums. I own the first, and I have to say it's one of my favorites, though nobody else but me likes it in my prog 'group.' Comments?
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:58:45 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: chromakey Message-ID: <B51FCBF5.44EF%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
Checked the CK website today, there's finally an update...new album is just a couple months away, apparently. This rules. I can't think of a single good album that came out last year...this year we'll have CK, new IM, and a bunch of other cool stuff I can't think of offhand. Shaping up as a pretty good music year.
-Brian
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:24:12 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: <jmsouter@airmail.net> Subject: Destiny's End Message-ID: <001801bfa814$04eb3940$ad3c88cf@jammer>
DESTINY'S END guitarist Perry Grayson has left the band - auditions are being held for a replacement
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:25:47 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Naptallica Message-ID: <003301bfa81c$a0c85f20$9a38fea9@madstation>
> From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Naptallica
> > These aren't bootlegs. They're alternatives to > > paying for things that > > you don't feel like paying for, and that's just > > fucking greedy. > > Ah yes, time for me to push the bullshit button.
At least you warned us before you went ahead and dropped a load of said excrement.
> Okay, here we go. A lot of up and coming bands can't > wait to get their mp3s on the web since that way > people can get their music for free and maybe buy > their CD, if they ever get signed to a bigtime record > label.
Is that what I was talking about? Did you see my post about how the file format "MPEG 2 Layer 3" is bad, evil, etc? Did you see my posts about how up and coming bands are being screwed by uploading their mp3s so that people can hear what they're all about? Of course not... because I haven't fucking posted that.
> Established acts can't wait to get their mp3s out > there since it's basically free promotion.
Then explain why established acts are suing Napster? Explain why RIAA is suing Napster. My brother's startup is now part-owned by a major company that owns a major share of the record business. Explain why this company has nixed the development of a really cool concept for streaming MP3 with awesome efficiency? Because it's not just free promotion. I'll suspend disbelief here and assume you're not the kind of asshole who DL's Michael Romeo's solo album on MP3 and then burns it to cd, because "he won't notice" or because "I can't afford to pay for all my cds" but you're naive if you believe that MP3 is totally an innocent format for music. If a band says "go ahead, MP3 our tunes, we don't care if you buy the album" then you have an argument. No band on any real label has said that to my knowledge. Furthermore, at least I'm stating my point of view from "my knowledge." Where do you come up with this "they can't wait" bullshit? Oh yeah... the bullshit button.
> the Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica (at one point), Tom > Petty, Alanis Morissette, No Doubt, Tori Amos and > other big time acts have extolled the virtues of .mp3 > b/c .mp3 can, in theory, free them of those evil > record label contracts and allow them to do things on > their own terms.
This is nonsense. I don't read articles about any of these people, personally, but I'd love to see your sources, ESPECIALLY when you consider that at least 2 of the artists you name made big splashes by releasing things to liquid audio (a COMMERCIAL alternative to mp3) before releasing their albums in stores, if my memory serves me. NONE of these people's "own terms" are to release albums to the internet for people to DL and play with for free. How would they recoup their losses from tens of thousands of dollars (in some cases much more) spent in studio, production, and mastering costs (things that are involved regardless of whether you get it on CD or mp3)? Can you site your sources? So what would these artists be achieving in freeing themselves of "evil record labels" only to make NOTHING instead of something per album sold? And for the record, major established acts DO have the ability to do things on their own terms. Metallica is NOT WHINING about their label... have you noticed? Lesser known bands get screwed all the time. Established bands have the ball back in their court.
> It's rather simple. It's better > for, say, Alanis Morissette that a download an entire > album of her material and then go to one of her shows > and buy a t-shirt b/c she sees more of that money than > she would from me simply buying one of her CDs and > calling it square.
This holds no water either. Yeah, t-shirts make more money for the artist. How many tours sell t shirts in the millions? Oh, is that because the fans spent all their money buying the cds? How can anyone afford to go to concerts anymore with the cost of cds these days! It's nonsense. Alanis wants you to buy her album. It's that purchase that entices the label to spend money on the tour and the t-shirts so she can go on a big ass tour. If she only sells 3,000 of her next album, do you think she's gonna have as big a budget for her next tour as she had for her Jagged Little Pill album tour?
> It's odd how it works tho,
Well, I think you've established that you don't know how it works, so I won't even address this point.
> (and only some of them at that). When I d/l mp3s, > it's an opportunity for me to find out if it's > something I like. Thanks to .mp3, I didn't have to > buy 311's 'Soundsystem' CD to figure out that I didn't > like it. No money lost either way.
That would be the example that Gabbo provided, which, you will also note, is why I have not made any statement on the value of the mp3. It definitely has its uses. But it's far too abused, when you consider how many people out there don't just listen to the mp3, decide whether or not to buy the album, and then delete the mp3. I know many people personally, who have bought 20 gig hard drives just to store mp3s on. The one of these people that I'm related to actually goes as far as to TRADE FULL 20 gig DRIVES of mp3s with his friends! It's out of hand and it's not as easily excusable as you pretend it is.
- Chris
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:44:26 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5432 Message-ID: <006401bfa81f$3a78a1a0$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Steve Z said: > ps, with Pitrelli now a full-time member of Megadeth, what does > that say about Savatage? They wouldn't be the same without him.
Well, they put out quite a few quality discs before Al came around, and I'm sure they'll continue to do so now that he's gone.
> pps, the new Savatage better rule, because the new TSO SUCKS!
I can't agree with you there....... IMO it's excellent. At least much better than the 2nd disc ("Christmas Attic").
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:35:53 EDT From: MelodyDrone@cs.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Good Luck.... Message-ID: <a4.319718b.262beea9@cs.com>
Dream Theater is known for their elusive style and limitless compositions. This also includes a vast array of time signatures. So my question to all you hardcore jammers who like a good challenge, just like me, is what is the longest consecutive period of time on a DT album that is played in 4/4 time? (This doesn't include LTE or any other side projects) Give the song names and track times the 4/4 time signature occurs during. <For example: -Lie 5:30-Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 3:21->. Remember consecutive time.....
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT dreams and $13 CD's Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10004170120030.69217-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Brian Hayden wrote:
> > Umm, what the hell kind of insult is this? A person can't control > > what they dream (that is, unless they KNOW it's a dream). You're > > going to insult them because of what's in their subconscious? That's > > like keying somebody's car: They can't do anything about it, and > > you're just low for doing something so disrespectful. To insult > > something like a dream which can't be controlled or changed is, to me, > > the equivalent of insulting someone's skin color or sex. > > Dude, I was just being a dork. Chill out. Yeah, I know you can't > really control your dreams...but I still say it's pretty sad being so > obsessed with a band that you have dreams about them being superheros. > I mean, I could understand if the person having the dream were a 12 > year old girl and the band was n sync. ;D
Oh; If I had known it was YOU, Brian, I wouldn't have bothered to say anything, since I know your sarcasm. But the message I quoted was from somebody else (I think it was Fran Brennan) but there weren't any quote marks in it, so I thought it was from Fran. If I'd known it was you, I would have laughed.
> And talking about low, low is playing the racism and sexism card for > no apparent reason. Get a grip, my friend.
I wasn't "playing" the card. I was just trying to make an analogy.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Behind the able man, there are always." - Found in a friend's fortune cookie -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Naptallica Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10004170135140.69217-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Christopher W. Ptacek wrote:
> > Established acts can't wait to get their mp3s out > > there since it's basically free promotion. > > Then explain why established acts are suing Napster? Explain why > RIAA is suing Napster. My brother's startup is now part-owned by a > major company that owns a major share of the record business. > Explain why this company has nixed the development of a really cool > concept for streaming MP3 with awesome efficiency? Because it's not > just free promotion. I'll suspend disbelief here and assume you're > not the kind of asshole who DL's Michael Romeo's solo album on MP3 and > then burns it to cd, because "he won't notice" or because "I can't > afford to pay for all my cds" but you're naive if you believe that MP3 > is totally an innocent format for music. If a band says "go ahead, > MP3 our tunes, we don't care if you buy the album" then you have an > argument. No band on any real label has said that to my knowledge. > Furthermore, at least I'm stating my point of view from "my > knowledge." Where do you come up with this "they can't wait" bullshit? > Oh yeah... the bullshit button.
I have to be in agreement with Ptacek here. You're right; bands DO get free publicity and promotion from distribution of music. However, here are a couple good reasons why it won't work that way:
1) It needs to be at the discretion of the person who wrote the music and/or holds the copyright. If I give a copy of one of my songs to a friend and he puts it on the Internet, then I have lost the ability to control the distribution of that song. It then becomes a problem, because if I decide that I don't want people to hear that song anymore, I can't.
2) There is a line where "free promotion" becomes "abuse." Way too often, this line is crossed. I'll admit it: I listen to MP3s of CDs I don't own. But I do NOT do it because I don't care about the welfare of the band. 99% of the time, I buy the original disc and get rid of the MP3s, because I think it's right to do that. The other 1% I either don't like the band enough to buy it and I get rid of the MP3s or I just admit that I'm breaking the law and I keep MP3s. But I do NOT abuse this (not much, anyway). Abuse is when people like these guys who trade full 20 gig drives of stuff don't carea bout buying another CD ever again. I listen to MP3s out of convenience and because they are a great way to hear new music (I HATE buying discs on faith; I always like to hear something from it first). I do NOT listen to them because I have an interest in screwing the record companies out of money.
The big problem is that most people abuse this and as a result, the artist loses out. I'll admit it freely: I'm probably contributing to the problem (at least a little).
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Sometimes, when I would read a very good book, I would stop and thank my teacher. At least, I used to, until she got an unlisted number. -------------------------------------------------
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