YTSEJAM Digest 5431
Today's Topics:
1) Metallica Law Suit
by "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
2) HOB Cover contest
by "The Mad Tabber" <themadtabber@hotmail.com>
3) Wowie zowie, the muffinheads!
by "Alan Estrada" <alan_estrada@hotmail.com>
4) re: Metallica / Napster
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
5) Covers
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
6) broadcasting prog rock now on live365
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) DT Covers?
by Billy920@webtv.net
8) Photos from the Pompano Beach Show
by "Hector P" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430
by EvoReaper@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
12) THE single question
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
13) napster / metallica
by Uroborosss@aol.com
14) WDADU revisited
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
15) Re: Metallica Law Suit
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
16) Re: my idea of fun
by Graham Boyle <graham@renegade2K.com>
17) Re: THE single question
by "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <michael.pruchnicki@computec.de>
18) Tab page ADDRESS
by Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5426
by Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com>
20) Dream Theater Text/Font
by Jpbwildcat@aol.com
21) Re: Those "evil" MP3's
by "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
22) Napster sucks
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:41:02 EDT
From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metallica Law Suit
Message-ID: <20000414224102.78008.qmail@hotmail.com>
All respect for Metallica just went out the window. I was willing to put up
with their new Alternica, but now obviously any kind of artistic intentions
they still had with them went out the window. Its so obvious that they're
in it JUST for the money now. Art is something that should be open to all.
Buying and selling is what makes it a commodity.
Out of lurker mode with a vengeance,
"Wild" Bill
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:04:52 GMT
From: "The Mad Tabber" <themadtabber@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: HOB Cover contest
Message-ID: <20000414230452.10002.qmail@hotmail.com>
A CD tree is about to go up for the House of Blues concert. I am calling
this "A House I'm Drawn To" since there is a lyric in SFAM that goes with
this. I know there are other titles for this floating around, but I like
this better.
I also know that there are some covers of this floating around. And they
are good. But I want to have a certain type of cover for it. So, I want to
initiate a contest for the cover, with a prize going for the person who can
come up with the coolest cover based on this particular instruction.
I would like to have the front cover of a haunted house. The creepier the
better. Maybe some ghostly images. Maybe some gravestones with Victoria
and Julian written on them. Something like the Bates house (see below)
would be cool...although this particular photo is copyrighted, and may not
provide a good angle. I'm sure someone could find another photo of this
house, or one like it (or better). A night photo would be great.
Preference goes to actual photos, but a good computer image might be cool
too. I was thinking a creepy photo with subtle computer enhancements (like
the HOB logo, gravestones, ...) would be the best. But additions should be
subtle ... not too obvious.
Somewhere in there, if we could put an image (maybe fuzzy and dark) of the
House of Blues logo. Maybe on the gravestones (if you decide to put some on
there).
On the back, some other creepy picture, maybe like the one shown below.
And of course, the usual ... track listing, cool Dream Theater logo, title.
Maybe on the inside cover, a pic of the band from the concert (you can find
that at Bogie's site ... http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/dt-hob.jpg will take
you to the picture.) This picture wouldn't even have to be the whole inside
cover. It could be half the cover with the bottom half containing some cool
text about the concert.
What is the prize? That is yet to be determined. Probably some rare CD of
DT. This might depend on who wins though, and what they already have.
Who will judge? Well, at least me. Maybe Bogie and Cloak. Maybe users at
MP.com.
I hope that a some of you guys will participate in this. The winner can put
their name on the cover somewhere if you like. I know there are some people
out there who really enjoy doing stuff like this.
I could probably do it myself, but I thought it would be more fun to let
someone else have a crack at it. Not to mention that I have a lot going on
right now (between the CDTree, the Petrucci Files website, school, ...).
And the idea of a little contest sounds very interesting.
You can post your work on Mike Portnoy's website (
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum2/HTML/005175.html ). Make sure
you publish the image on a website somewhere. And then put the proper codes
in to have it post there (the code is mentioned somewhere on this site). Or
email it to me at themadtabber@hotmail.com .
Good luck. Contest ends on May 5 (3 weeks).
The MadTabber
a pic of the Bate's house
http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/Slides/UniversalPsycho2.JPG
a cool ghostly image http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/ghost04h.jpg
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:42:32 PDT
From: "Alan Estrada" <alan_estrada@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Wowie zowie, the muffinheads!
Message-ID: <20000414234232.61880.qmail@hotmail.com>
Here's some info for those into Zappa.
CP: FZ "one size fits all"
>From: Paul davies <skill_paul@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: DweezilZappa@egroups.com
>To: DweezilZappa@onelist.com
>Subject: [DweezilZappa] wowie zowie, the muffinheads!
>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:52:10 -0700 (PDT)
>
>for those of you
>in good old GB
>the muffinheads are performing a zappa tribute concert
>tonite,(in liverpool Hanover Hotel)
>with special guest, yes,
>the great Jimmy carl Black
>
>i shall inform those who give a f##k (and who are not
>in posession of a private jet/teleporter)
>of who, how and what it was like...
>seeya
>paul
>(i would of put this on the fz site, but i didn't)
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:43:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: Metallica / Napster
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004141828340.19278-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
Brian Hansen posted about Lars saying this about Napster:
"We take our craft - whether it be the music, the
lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as
do most artists," Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich said
in a statement on the Elektra Records Web site. "It is
therefore sickening to know that our art is being
traded like a commodity rather than the art that it
is."
I have heard Metallica's last two albums, I'd like to know what 'art' Lars
is refering to.
The only thing sickening Lars is that he isn't making money off of this.
This is kind of like the seafood market. Music sells at market value, and
the market value for crap like Load and ReLoad is 'free.'
I would like to see how Metallica plans to support this case in a court of
law. Do they have flyers that were handed out by officials at the
universities that they are suing that say "Don't go to class! Go home and
get Metallica MP3s from Napster!"
The same thing goes for the RIAA's lawsuit against Napster. I admit that
I am not that well versed in Napster (I don't have it) but I have not seen
one thing that indicates that they were going out telling people to trade
illegal MP3s of copywritten material. All they did was provide a means of
trading files, they can't be held responsible because some people use it
for illegal purposes (which I understand is listed as a violation of
Napster's terms of usage). So people distribute songs on MP3, big f'ing
deal. People distribute tapes, CD-Rs, and VHS bootlegs and copies all the
time, and I don't see the MPAA or the RIAA suing the makers of cassette
decks, CD-Rs and VCRs.
Not only should these cases be thrown out of court, but the judge should
reverse judgement and fine Metallica and the RIAA for being idiots and
wasting the judicial system's time.
Then again, this is all just my opinion.
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
(which I am probably going to get flamed for anyway)
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:59:41 -0500
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Covers
Message-ID: <001301bfa665$1f46bae0$675099d1@default>
Two covers that DT should do is 1)Edgar Winters "Frankenstein" and 2) Gino
Vannelli's "War Suite" from the "Gist of the Gemini" cd.
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete
www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:17:31 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: broadcasting prog rock now on live365
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000414201617.00a27f00@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Really bored tonight, so I am broadcasting live on live365.com. For a
direct route to the stream, which is doing prog rock, prog metal and other
stuff, point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Or visit live365, go to the
rock section and look for damon's prog rock plus. Broadcasting mst of
Friday night. email stuff to me at dfibraio@home.com.
-- Damon Fibraio, and guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Billy920@webtv.net To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT Covers? Message-ID: <4731-38F7D3F6-2135@storefull-177.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Greetings Jammers! My humble suggestions for covers/themes are as follows; on the serious end Savatage's In the Hall of the Mountain King for a couple of good reasons; first Savatage kicks ass and really should get more mention than they do, and secondly I really dig Grieg (who could use a little attention himself perhaps:-) Also on the less than serious end Howabout the theme to The Transformers (robots in disguise) Oh well just my thoughts on the subject. Happy Weekend All!
Oh BTW any true Scooby Doo fan Knows that Mary was killed in the basement by Col. Mustard with the mind altering drugs prescribed by Dr.X
PEACE! Billy.
Ther is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so. Hamlet 2.2
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:44:48 -0700 From: "Hector P" <m99086a@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Photos from the Pompano Beach Show Message-ID: <01bfa6a6$17ada0a0$6516d6d1@pavilion>
Alright guys I just uploaded the second set of pics from the show up onto my page. Please excuse the shitty layout, the crappy looking font colors and types, etc. :) I was RIGHT on the railing, in front of John Myung.
my page is at http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/waterboys/461/index.html the dt page is at http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/waterboys/461/00-dt.html
Hector
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:01:17 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430 Message-ID: <35.3d4e4af.2629438d@aol.com>
DT also played the beginning peice of "Hot For Teacher" during the Dec 29th. Christmas show in NYC. They were trying to get Derek to sing it, but the only one he ended up singing was "Ice Cream Man".
In response to Metallica filing a lawsuit:
Get on your knees and suck.
I love the band, just as much as any other metal fan, but come on. The band members are obviously filling they're bank accounts with royalties everyday, nevermind with the cash they've already poured in. If they're that money hungry, they should release another damn cd, of they're OWN music, and NOT they're music played with an orchestra. (Don't get me wrong, I own both cd's, and love them, I'm just adding fuel to the fire...)
Andy
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:11:39 EDT From: DoubleJay54@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430 Message-ID: <da.2c7bb5f.2629540b@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/14/00 5:18:24 PM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Dan Costello wrote: >I think a cool DT cover would be VH's "Hot for Teacher" >I know JP doesn't do a whole lot of tapping stuff, but how cool would >that be? >>
theres a bootleg called the Rudess Experment, its on there, but who ever made the cd only put about 30 seconds of each song on to make it fit. If anyone has the full version of the cd e-mail me and let me know. Maby we can work something out
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:36:02 +1000 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5430 Message-ID: <38F81BE0.77008E47@alphalink.com.au>
> I think a cool DT cover would be VH's "Hot for Teacher" >
Don't they sometimes play this in the extended solo of Take the Time? Just the tapping part and a bit of the riff. BTW. who else thinks the outro they do for the song live is one of the best things ever?
>Or how about "Sexual Healing"? :-) Hmm, maybe not.... I would like to see Cyndi Lauper - Time after time Frank Zappa - I Promise Not to Come in Your Mouth, or any other zappa instrumental Ween - Voodoo Lady Mahivishnu - Dance of Maya Al DiMeola - Crusin' (this would be extra cool) Anything by Mr Bungle.
> It's no surprise that progmetal wasn't listed, though. A lot of oldschool > prog diehards don't consider it a serious genre. Also, the author (forget > his name) looks totally wasted in his "about the author" picture. Just my > two scents. >
hehe. I thought about mentioning this. The guy's a classical prog rock nerd. He probably also runs a Dungeon and Dragons shop (think of that dude from the Simpsons).
> What fucking bullshit! BUYING and SELLING music is what makes music a > commodity. This sickening trading Lars is talking about is what will give it > freedom. The only reason to allow music as a commercial industry is so the > artist gets compensation for his work, but we all know that doesn't happen > anyway. *waiting for the flames*
Yeah you're right, but you would be pretty pissed off about Napster if you were Metallica. For small bands I think mp3s are great because they rarely make money from CDs anyway but from tours. The more people they can get hearing their music, the more people come to see them on tour. For bigger, established bands though, Napster is very serious threat. Its a shame though these mp3s. Already CDs are a drop in quality from vinyl, and if mp3s take over CDs, this is yet another drop, all in the name of convenience. On the other hand most regular people don't have good enough equipment (or ears) to notice any difference, so what does it matter? Its just a big predicament (sp?).
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:07:12 +0200 From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: THE single question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000415090712.007a0a40@pop.gmx.net>
Hi, Anyone know how James' vocals are on the live tracks of the THE single? I've heard he doesn't sing very well, in which case I wouldn't buy the CD. Thanks in advance, Totikus
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:54:50 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: napster / metallica Message-ID: <ae.3c15b93.26297a4a@aol.com>
> From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> > Subject: Metallica/Napster news > > Metallica Files Copyright Lawsuit
Everyone sing along now, "Gimme FUEL, gimme FAH, gimme THATWHICHADIZAAAAA!!" > SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Heavy metal rock band Metallica has accused > three universities and the makers of a popular Internet music sharing > software of copyright infringement and racketeering.
"How DARE you make it possible for people to get my stuff WITHOUT PAYING ME FOR IT! If you hadn't come along with this wicked, indulgent outlet for trading, people NEVER would have thought about stealing, or racketeering, or ANY dishonest things! No one thinks evil thoughts on their own, you MADE them think it by making that DAMNED PROGRAM! So instead of accepting human beings for what they are, I blame YOU! Now gimme FUEL, gimme FAH, gimme THATWHICHADIZAAA!!" > The federal lawsuit contends San Mateo, Calif.-based Napster Inc., the > University of Southern California, Yale University and Indiana University > encouraged users of Napster software to trade copyrighted material > without the band's permission.
Exactly. Encouraging that sort of thing WITH the band's permission would have made it okay. Because as we all know, people who make stuff LOVE it when their creations gets multiplied and traded without any sort of compensation coming back to the source. Look at me - I transcribe stuff and I don't get paid. And if someone ever tried to pay me, I'd punch them in the throat and spit ferociously.
"They didn't WANT our music! You people ENCOURAGED them to listen to us! DAMN YOU FOR MAKING PEOPLE LIKE OUR STUFF AND SPREAD IT AROUND!!"
I'd hate it if someone turned my music into a virus and infected thousands of ears with it. If people started liking my stuff and listening to it more I'd have to go after them with an axe. First I'd take out Pentium for making so many blasphemous computer chips. My music is MINE. I make it for ME. Not for money, not for other people's enjoyment, for ME ME ME!! GIMME FUEL!!
> "We take our craft - whether it be the music, the lyrics, or the photos > and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," Metallica drummer Lars > Ulrich said in a statement on the Elektra Records Web site. "It is > therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity > rather than the art that it is."
I guess in Lars' native tongue, "Lars Ulrich" sounds like "Serrano." I can't wait for the next time I give Metallica permission to use one of my photographs for their album cover. When they say they take "their photos" seriously, remind me to file a lawsuit against them. Because as we all know, I am the sole copyright holder of me.
Seranno's photographs aren't Lars' "art," and it's not the album covers that draw Metallica a profit. I can't believe someone would be stupid enough to lump "artwork and photos" in with their music as "their art." > Metallica alleges the universities allowed free trade of copyrighted songs > to flourish by failing to block access to the Napster sharing program, > thereby violating the federal Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt > Organizations Act.
"You're over 21. And you didn't stop these underage roommates of yours from drinking. Therefore you are guilty of underage alcohol consumption."
"I didn't buy them the alcohol. I don't even drink."
"You didn't block them from gaining access to the alcohol. Since you are the oldest one here, these other human beings are YOUR responsibility. You are hereby guilty of underage drinking."
"But I'm 22. And I didn't even drink anything."
"You let it happen. You failed to block them from drinking. Therefore you will go to jail and these tender youths will be given more beer."
Corrupt Organizations Act? Has Congress heard of that corrupt rock organization that continues to use the word "metal" in its name?
> "We regret that the band's management saw fit to issue a press release - > and to file a lawsuit - without even attempting to contact Napster," said > Eileen Richardson, the company's chief executive officer. "But if these > people insist on turning it over to lawyers, we'll defend the case on that > turf."
As we all know, lawsuits are USUALLY filed with the permission of the accused. I can't IMAGINE suing someone without TELLING them first. I get sued all the time, and I always appreciate the two-weeks advance notice. Gives me time to get some money together, change my name, get a new driver's license, etc.
> Napster also has been sued by the Recording Industry Association of > America in federal court in San Francisco. The trade group, which > represents major recording labels, alleged copyright infringement by > Napster and is seeking $100,000 for each song traded using Napster > software.
Lawyer: "The prosecution rests, your honor..."
Judge: "Well... Let me see... Mr. Ulrich, the jury of old-school metalheads has decided that since your last two albums were pure garbage, each of your songs is actually equal to... (taps calculator) .036 pieces of music. So if Napster allowed for the trading of, say, fifty of your pieces of crap...then you are actually seeking... (taps calculator) $180,000 in damages over a total of 1.8 songs."
Lars: "Very generous of you, your honor. Some of our fans thought our music was reaching the .02 level. We appreciate the jury's kindness."
Judge: "And I find it very amusing that, as of April 14th of this year, you have exactly 1.8% of your original fans still attending your shows. Some coincidence, huh?"
Lars: "Yes your honor, I am aware of the...downward spiral our fanbase has taken."
Judge: "Maybe if you made music of a higher quality and had some real fans and could sell a respectable amount of concert tickets, you wouldn't need to go around suing people for thousands of dollars."
Lars: "Um... Good point, your honor..."
> At least seven universities are known to have blocked > access to Napster because its use by students > downloading audio files have slowed their computer > networks to a crawl.
I'm glad SOMETHING in this article is a semi-legitimate reason for doing away with Napster.
> From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> > Subject: Re: Metallica/Napster news > >> "It is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a >> commodity rather than the art that it is." > > What fucking bullshit! BUYING and SELLING music is what makes > music a commodity.
No no no, you misunderstood Lars' point. Lars meant that art should be traded like art, which means you hand someone your painting and they hand you a small animal carved out of ivory. Then you take that ivory animal and trade it to another artist and he plays you a melody on his lute. I agree completely. From now on when I transcribe something, dammit, I want someone to e-mail me some pornography in return! ART FOR ART! FUEL FOR FAH!!
> This sickening trading Lars is talking about is what will give it > freedom. The only reason to allow music as a commercial industry > is so the artist gets compensation for his work, but we all know that > doesn't happen anyway. *waiting for the flames*
Yes it does. If you try really hard, you can consume small chunks of ivory and get more vitamins and minerals than eight bowls of Total cereal. In the old days, artists used to eat paint to keep themselves alive. Lars doesn't need money, and neither do I. He's perfectly capable of bringing one of his albums to an art-supply store and trading it for some tasty oil paints. As for me and Serrano, we snack on old negatives. Cause we're ARTISTS, the kind who don't need COMMODITIES.
Wait, I forgot... Metallica is on the list of banned Ytsejam topics...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:31:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org> To: YML <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: WDADU revisited Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004151121470.9042-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hay all, I just put WDADU in my cd-player again (it's been awhile) and I was surprised that I forgot how good this album actually is. I always found Only A Matter of Time to be the best (if not the only really good) song on the album, apart from the Ytsejam (mainly because Charlie's vocals are quite good there). But damn... listen to the intro of LFaGA... it just rocks. Afterlife, TOWHtSTS,... never really paid much attention to these, btu boy was I wrong... BTW I noticed how much the part from 4:30 to 5:42 in LFaGA sound like a heavy Ozrics:-). Anyway, let's give Charlie some credit, he's actually quite good...
Cheers
Peter
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:52:38 +1000 From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metallica Law Suit Message-ID: <200004151357.e3FDvNt02889@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> All respect for Metallica just went out the window. I was willing to > put up with their new Alternica, but now obviously any kind of > artistic intentions they still had with them went out the window. Its > so obvious that they're in it JUST for the money now. Art is > something that should be open to all. Buying and selling is what > makes it a commodity.
To an extent I agree with Metallica, in principle. But I hope they don't pocket the money, a healthy donation to charity would be wishful thinking.
I am not anti mp3, I d/l my fair share, what I am against is these guys that get all these mp3s and never support music and buy an original CD. I know of at least one guy, who has 2000 albums all in mp3, all off the net and he never buys an orginal CD, now how many more like this leech are out there? Thousands I bet.
gaz
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:53:45 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: my idea of fun Message-ID: <38F866591D6.7EF4GRAHAM@renegade2K.com>
Anyone who who is stupid enough to pay these ridiculous amounts of money gets no sympathy from me. I just checked on ebay, some fool has bid $20.50 for the new single, 'Through Her Eyes' Either these people have more more than sense, or no sense at all :)
gaz
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:27:11 +0200 From: "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <michael.pruchnicki@computec.de> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: THE single question Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030872E89F@fileserver2>
> Hi, > Anyone know how James' vocals are on the live tracks of the THE single? > I've heard he doesn't sing very well, in which case I wouldn't buy the CD.
They're pretty bad, especially on Home. He sings most of it totally out of key. Probably a problem with his monitors, I just wonder why they released it ...
- Mike
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Tab page ADDRESS Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10004151112330.24407-100000@bluedevil.cc.fredonia.edu>
Ok, due to the fact that I am a complete idiot, I forgot to include the address in my post about my new tab page, so here it is:
http://www.fredonia.edu/students/schi2299
Thanks !
Drew
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5426 Message-ID: <20000415154615.18540.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
I would like to hear DT play 2112 (the whole thing would be really cool) or maybe xanadu. I would like to also hear them play some Queensryche, maybe silent lucidity or eyes of a stranger, which they might be able to throw in with MT2. Some anthrax might be cool too. Then maybe some Megadeth, hangar 18, angry again, something like that. And then crazy train from Ozzy. These are my suggestions for some cover songs. Oh, and my cd collection is about 250, whcih I might say is good for a 15 year old who isn't rich.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:19:36 EDT From: Jpbwildcat@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater Text/Font Message-ID: <11.2ab5403.262a0cb8@aol.com>
I was wondering if someone knew what type of text/font is used for the actual Dream Theater name that you see on their albums? How would you create something like that? I would appreciate any info and help. Thanks!!!
James
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:18:05 -0400 From: "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Those "evil" MP3's Message-ID: <56868619EF214D11DA4E0005B803B365@tvalodka.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Regarding the Metallica suit, Lars is just worried about his paycheck. I'll admit that "mainstream" and radio friendly bands may be negatively impacted by unrestricted trading of their music in a Cd quality format. Especially with MP3 walkmen and cd burners all over the market. However,let me present a different viewpoint that many of you should agree with. Surfing around to MP3 sites, like Music In Progress , and the Century Media home has made me buy MORE Cd's. For Prog and other less marketable music , not to mention unsigned bands, MP3's are an incredible tool to expose themselves to potential fans. If you can hear it on the radio and see it on eMpTyV, there probably isn't a need to be able to download entire albums, but I think MP3's give record companies more revenue than they realize, albeit indirectly. Hell, due directly to MIP, I've bought cd's by The Gathering, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Vanden Plas,& Ayreon in the last month. And there's a half dozen more on those two sites that I'm looking for now. Maybe I'm just stating the obvious, but I felt I had to say something about the whole deal. The record companies are just suing Napster because that's their only visible target. MP3's are evrywhere and they'll never be able to stop private trading. I'll shut up now.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:46:16 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Napster sucks Message-ID: <001201bfa713$477aa360$0200010a@steve>
> What fucking bullshit! BUYING and SELLING music is what makes music a > commodity. This sickening trading Lars is talking about is what will give it > freedom.
Define 'freedom.' The only area in which Lars is wrong here is his assumption that art can't be a commodity. The established system of aquiring those commodities works just fine. Just go to the record store and buy it. Don't like the price? Tough shit. It hasn't gone up that much in the 10+ years I've been buying CDs.
> The only reason to allow music as a commercial industry is so the > artist gets compensation for his work, but we all know that doesn't happen > anyway. *waiting for the flames*
The reason that artists don't get compensation for their work is because of things like this trading, be it on cassette tapes, CD-R's, Diamond Rio/Lyra players, or over a T1 or phone line.
With the advent of portable mp3 players, cd-r, and minidisc (even though the quality is questionable), kids are going to stop buying the music. Kids think music should be free, and they'll do whatever they can to make it that way.
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