YTSEJAM Digest 5416
Today's Topics:
1) Check this out! New prog compilation album
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
2) The Sixth Sense -SPOILERS- (if you haven't seen it, don't read)
by "Alexis/Axel" <alexis1@prtc.net>
3) Re: Check this out! New prog compilation album
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
4) overplaying
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
5) Re: Check this out! New prog compilation album
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
6) Concert in Skopje
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
7) Re: overplaying
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) HOB TIMES
by Brooks Edman <drumstik@home.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5415
by Dustro2@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5415
by FlyingBlueDream@aol.com
11) new address
by Jen Grimes <saria2001@yahoo.com>
12) DT future tour shcedule
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) ex-YU
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5414
by "Frans de Smit" <Fsmit@caiw.nl>
15) Re: HOB Broadcast -- please someone try to tape it
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
16) re: screechy vocals (SG)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
17) Re: screechy vocals (SG)
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5414
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:14:13 -0400
From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Check this out! New prog compilation album
Message-ID: <200004010414.AAA07599@antonia.webhost.cl>
Hi all.
I found this on another music-related mailing list I am subscribed to,
and I thought you might be interested:
NEW COMPILATION ALBUM
THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE RAP
Proghead Music is proud to present the most important progressive rap
songs ever, all together in a unique compilation album.
This compilation is not about the 'hits' or the most popular tracks, it
is instead about the most *important* songs: the ones that helped define
the genre and posed the biggest influence (of course, everyone knows
that means these are the best!).
Get this album and you will have all there is needed to fully understand
and enjoy progressive rap!
THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE RAP's track listing is:
Disc 1:
1. Nemesis - Invisible Couch
2. Queen Crimson - Bohemian Discipline
3. Gabriel Peters - Spank the Monkey
4. Steele Bracket - Spectral Moanings
5. Rust - Free Willy
6. Genitals A-Giant - Asspirations
7. Emerson, Lake and Hammer - Love Bitch
8. Tangerine Theater - Images and Logos
9. Queen Crimson - 23rd Century Schizoid Narn
10. The Notorious A.P. - Pervert Aunts And Nieces
Disc 2:
11. Gabriel Peters - I Go Sniffing
12. Scott's Mustache - The Blight
13. Emerson, Lake and Hammer - Lucky Strike
14. Kink Freud - The Wart
15. Nemesis - Seven Stoned
16. Affirmative - The Bladder
17. Genitals A-Giant - Nigga Cat
18. Keith E - Wanky
19. Rust - Bitch Hunt
20. ICQ - Subterfugia
Catalog number: PRGH0401
Go to your favorite music store and buy your copy NOW!
ATTENTION: if you buy directly from Proghead Music's on-line store,
you'll get a bonus single with Mellotronic's "Pump Up The Hammond" and
"This Beat Is Mellotronic" for FREE! Go to
http://www.usenet.cl/proghead-music right away!!!
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:32:42 -0400 From: "Alexis/Axel" <alexis1@prtc.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Sixth Sense -SPOILERS- (if you haven't seen it, don't read) Message-ID: <000901bf9b93$54025500$0101a8c0@JonDoe.prtc.net>
Hey people!!! This happens to be way off topic, but this is the only mailing list I'm in, so I want to ask you the following question: Does the kid in the movie The Sixth Sense ever find out that Malcolm (the psychiatrist) was actually dead? I happen to think that the kid NEVER finds out that he was dead, but other people think that he did know. Any opinions? If you don't think this topic is appropriate for the jam, you can email me privately. Thanks.
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:46:24 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Check this out! New prog compilation album Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000331234555.00a24ec0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
That is sme funny shit. I would love to have bought this CD, even though I knew it was a joke, just to hear the songs. Maybe will put a few together, based on the titles. HMMMMMMMMMMMM. At 11:28 PM 3/31/00 , you wrote:
>Hi all. > >I found this on another music-related mailing list I am subscribed to, >and I thought you might be interested: > > > NEW COMPILATION ALBUM > THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE RAP > >Proghead Music is proud to present the most important progressive rap >songs ever, all together in a unique compilation album. > >This compilation is not about the 'hits' or the most popular tracks, it >is instead about the most *important* songs: the ones that helped define >the genre and posed the biggest influence (of course, everyone knows >that means these are the best!). > >Get this album and you will have all there is needed to fully understand >and enjoy progressive rap! > >THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE RAP's track listing is: > >Disc 1: > 1. Nemesis - Invisible Couch > 2. Queen Crimson - Bohemian Discipline > 3. Gabriel Peters - Spank the Monkey > 4. Steele Bracket - Spectral Moanings > 5. Rust - Free Willy > 6. Genitals A-Giant - Asspirations > 7. Emerson, Lake and Hammer - Love Bitch > 8. Tangerine Theater - Images and Logos > 9. Queen Crimson - 23rd Century Schizoid Narn >10. The Notorious A.P. - Pervert Aunts And Nieces > >Disc 2: >11. Gabriel Peters - I Go Sniffing >12. Scott's Mustache - The Blight >13. Emerson, Lake and Hammer - Lucky Strike >14. Kink Freud - The Wart >15. Nemesis - Seven Stoned >16. Affirmative - The Bladder >17. Genitals A-Giant - Nigga Cat >18. Keith E - Wanky >19. Rust - Bitch Hunt >20. ICQ - Subterfugia > >Catalog number: PRGH0401 > >Go to your favorite music store and buy your copy NOW! > >ATTENTION: if you buy directly from Proghead Music's on-line store, >you'll get a bonus single with Mellotronic's "Pump Up The Hammond" and >"This Beat Is Mellotronic" for FREE! Go to >http://www.usenet.cl/proghead-music right away!!! > > > >-- >MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl >#include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel ><*> >"Trust me - I know what I'm doing." >- Sledge Hammer
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:13:00 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: overplaying Message-ID: <20000401061301.63312.qmail@hotmail.com>
In defense of the intro to OLT, someone wrote: So maybe sometimes a part can be "overplaying", but still kick ass?
Most people confuse 'overplaying' and 'using a lot of notes'. It's only overplaying when you're playing a lot of notes for no other purpose than playing a lot of notes. See LTE. See Yngwie. See most 70's fusion, as much as I love the stuff. The intro to OLT is a great example of using a lot of notes very tastefully IMO.
-Fran/Banjoman
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:46:10 +1000 From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Check this out! New prog compilation album Message-ID: <200004010846.e318ksO19867@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> I found this on another music-related mailing list I am subscribed to, > and I thought you might be interested: > > > NEW COMPILATION ALBUM > THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE RAP
Can someone say April Fool :)
Gabbo yours had me in stiches, well done mate :)
gaz
NP Empty Tremor 'Eros & Thanataos', suprisingly very good !
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 13:21:05 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Jeremy Garman <jgarman@kmbs.com>, Subject: Concert in Skopje Message-ID: <38E5DBA1.F125EC21@mol.com.mk>
31-st March 2000 was the day of the long-awaited concert of ANASTASIA and VLATKO STEFANOVSKI TRIO. It took place in the biggest playing fascility (Sajmishte). Ya had to find the biggest hall because both bands are the Macedonian bands legends - Vlatko Stefanovski, from the legendary group Leb i Sol, this time with his trio, and Anastasia. Both bands trademark is using elements of ancient Macedonian folklore music, rhtyhms etc.
Anastasia is a miracle, a diamond that appeared in Macedonia, creating some of the most powerful, spiritual music I ever heard. Known also thruout the world, as writers of the soundtrack for the famous Macedonian movie - BEFORE THE RAIN.
Bad thing is that their last album caught them experimenting with electronics, techno elements. The dark, moody, atmoshpheric, psychodelic elements are still there but electronis are prevailing. :(
Whatever, it was concert not to be missed.
First hit the stage 2 young boys playing traditional Mac., instrument - Macedonian bagpipe and kaval. When the first few notes came out of the bagpipe the crowd screamed. Our origin woke up and wanted to come out of our chests. :)))
Then Anastasia came out, starting of with the first song from their last album. Yah, electronics, ... I wasn't very thrilled about it but OK, it was still cool to be exposed to the ethno elements of the music. They played 3, 4 songs from that last CD, one of those songs is very good, so it was a positive thing. Then, a change. A traditional 4 string instrument was brought on stage by Zlatko Origjanski, starting playing accompanied with a well known rhtyhm. Shouts of approval, it was Anastasia's famous song "On the Babylon river" (Na rekite Vavilonski). This is one scary, deep, psychodelic song. You just can't stand still on it. Ovation in the audience. The song finished, some keyboards effects mixed with great light show. The well known sound of the string isntrument started playing recognizable melody. The audince went completely nuts. Imagine someone coming directly into your face and shout with all his strenght. :) That's what it felt like. The song was maybe the best Anastasia song, from the BEFORE THE RAIN album called PASS OVER. I can't describe the feelings in these moments. Even this song alone was a reason enough to come to see Anastasia live. During the song everybody sang the lyrics. Uggh, when it comes to this genre of music words fail to describe the feeling. For a rock gig you can say "They rocked man", "It was a scullcrusher", "Balls 'n chunk", "what a blast" etc ... but what to say here? :) It's a transcending feeling, 'cause this is really deep music on a completely different level, music with another state of mind. You think I'm full of trash? OK, go ahead and find the BEFORE THE RAIN album.
What was a news on this concert was the excellent light show. I can bet that it was the best light show in Macedonian concerts history. Very cool and very exciting for us who know the situation in Macedonia and don't even dream about such (important) details.
They played one more song from their last album (a good song too) and finished.
After some 15-20 minutes break Vlatko came out. "I hope you're ready for some GUITAR music!"
The crowd: "YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH" :)
He introduced the band and they opened the gig with Vlatkovo Oro, from the Trio album, very rockin' stuff, great for opening. 3 more songs from the same album were played. There was a bass solo at this time too, the excellent Achek. They also played the first song from the Trio album "Igri bez granici" and guests on stage were Vlatko's daughter and 2 other school friends of her. :) The sang the "Kompanija, meso boranija" parts of the lyrics.
He-he, very cool. Can you imagine a daughter of a living legend, being on stage with her dad on guitar, and thousands people on front of them. It must be a ... INTERESTING feeling. ;)
Then Vlatko turned to the microphone and said: "This is usually the time of transition/change on our concerts. This is the time when we start playing music that we and people all around the world find magical, incredible, astonishing. Sometimes a music, rhythms so complex for outsiders, and so natural to all of us, we live with it in our everyday lifes. So lemme hear ya all, 1-2-3-1-2-1-2-1-2-3, 1-2-3-1-2-1-2-1-2-3..."
And they blasted one by one the:
7/8 oro Ne si go prodavaj Koljo ... Kalajdzisko Oro
All traditional Macedonian songs covered by the Trio in hard rock, guitar manner. I thing of myself as good in music knowledge (;o) but I just can't boil down all these rhythms, so complex and twisted. And the weird thing - they sound OK. :)
Later also some average songs were played, not so good, but the atmosphere was good enough. Both bands didn't play for quite long in Skopje, 2, 3 years maybe. So it was a reason enough for having electrified audience.
Near the end of the concert Vlatko announced another special guest. "We're not the first nor last in this stuff, in music. One come, other go, they learn, steal from each other, they play together, there are some great new kids followinbg the footsteps of our generation. I'm very very happy to have the priviledge to welcome the next special guest on stage, I'm so glad he is still alive and well, since he was inspiration to all of us, a great pearl of the Macedonia music."
So who is the guest damn it??? :)))))
And he said his name!!! None other that the living legend of Macedonian folklore song, the heavenly voice named ALEKSANDAR SARIEVSKI. The crowd went nuts. Wow, I never heard such screams. :) He came out dressed in very colourful traditional clothes. Sarievski sang few traditional Mac. songs like Aber Dojde Donke, Uchi me majko karaj me, Zajdi zajdi jasno sonce ... Ecstasy! :) Anyone familiar with Balkan spirit can guess what the hall looked like. :)
It was great. All the hall singing along with Sarievski. Some foreigners by our side were surprised of the reactions of the people. ;)
I came on the concert having a nasty spring virus the day beofre - nose leaking, sore troat and all that. :( Being such sick wasn't so cool for concert like this.
The obligatory headbanging on the trio music gave me a bad headache. :)
So I left when it seemed like it was the end of the concert, although I knew they'll come out and play 2, 3 more songs. On the way out I heard the UFO song. Fine, almost metal song, but I couldn't stay. For that one I didn't care so much. BUT .... until I reached the car UFO finihsed. Then Vlatko started some Hendrix type of torturing the guitar, feedbacks, noise 'n all. OH NO!!! :( There is only one song they played like this in the past , and it was a Leb i Sol song "Like a cacao" (Kao Kakao). ;o( And yes, it was it, the main riff hit. I was pissed off but there was no point going all the way back. Luckily, after that the last 2 songs played (as I was told later) were not special. They were hits but not special. For Macedoninas reading this, the songs were "Chukni vo drvo" and "Skopje".
OK, that would be all. The whole outlook of the concert was maybe the best in Macedonian history. Now, ... I didn't go on present pop stars (so called) concerts, but I doubt they were on higher level than this. There were also 2 big screens from both sides of the stage where you could see the action on stage much better. Occasionally they showed some artistic, short movies sequences for accompayining the music.
It was really a spectacle concert.
OK, gotta go now and kill the virus. ----------------- CyberDuke
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 08:13:32 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: overplaying Message-ID: <38E5F5FC.4EDA1047@yunque.net>
Fran Brennan wrote:
> In defense of the intro to OLT, someone wrote: > So maybe sometimes a part can be "overplaying", but still kick ass? > > Most people confuse 'overplaying' and 'using a lot of notes'. It's only > overplaying when you're playing a lot of notes for no other purpose than > playing a lot of notes. See LTE. See Yngwie. See most 70's fusion, as much > as I love the stuff. The intro to OLT is a great example of using a lot of > notes very tastefully IMO. > > -Fran/Banjoman > > np: Transatlantic > ____
I have to disagree, yes, LTE can be considered overplaying, but it was supossed to be like that! An all out outlet for the guys to go nuts. The intro to OLT is supposed to be winding down from TDOE, and every instrument goes at it simple, restrained, perfect, but then Jordan has to go on and wank, as if he just *had* to get this quick "run" in there somewhere. I just see it as this: imagine the end of "Eve" , slow, simple, beautiful, imagine if instead of playing the simple melody JP plays at the end, he decided he had to end it with a fast flurry of notes, and THEN resolve the solo , with the last notes that we hear in the recording. Maybe it would sound cool, but it sounds MUCH better with the simple approach. I think JR just needs to lay back. We all know his technical abilities are far beyond excellent and virtuosic, its his taste (in what to play when to play it) , or in my case , lack thereof, that turns me off. Maybe he just wants to prove himself to the fans...i dont know..
Thats just my 2 cents...
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It)Bīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 10:29:36 -0500 From: Brooks Edman <drumstik@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: HOB TIMES Message-ID: <38E615E0.2F90F7DF@home.com>
When ever I click on the link to see all of the show times for the HOB broadcast it gives me some stupid script error. Does any one have a list of all of the start times???? Thanks,
Brooks Edman, drumstik@home.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:31:56 EST From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5415 Message-ID: <d.30f5274.2617706c@aol.com>
In a message dated 03/31/2000 7:00:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< ok - so I know this was a thread a LONG time ago, but at the Chicago show I met JM and JR's tech, Maddi, and he emailed me last week and we chatted. I asked him the same question becasue I wasn't sure if that thread was ever resolved - >>
GUY GUY GUY We hammered this out allready! hey What were u wearing at the show i think i might have seen u talking with this guy? dustro
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:38:08 EST From: FlyingBlueDream@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5415 Message-ID: <57.3c418b3.26177ff0@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/31/00 10:01:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< > I always thought that "City of Lost Children" could be turned into a >pretty killer concept album. Maybe with Trent Gardener overseeing it. I'd rather just about anyone else as a lyric writer ;) A/J >>
I wasn't thinking that he would write the lyrics! God, that would be a disaster. On the other hand though, I think that some of his pseudo-industrial sounding songs would really fit well with the feel of the movie.
Andy B.
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jen Grimes <saria2001@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: new address Message-ID: <20000401171038.2954.qmail@web618.mail.yahoo.com>
Please send future issues to my new address at: drummergrrrrl@hotmail.com Thanks!:-)
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 19:04:12 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT future tour shcedule Message-ID: <38E62C0C.D90485C0@mol.com.mk>
TOTIKUS asked fearfully: > Does anyone know what sort of tour plans DT has for the > rest of the year after this summer and next spring? I > know it's quite far away but I'm just wondering whether > to cancel summer vacation to see them in Budapest or > whether they will return to Central/Eastern Europe at > some time on the SFAM tour
Phew, ... I would like to join this question too. I have to make some drastic changes in my summer plan, and too bad I already have one. :o( I guess I don't have a right to whine too much, they will finally come to the Europe part I was begging and crying for.
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 19:04:36 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ex-YU Message-ID: <38E62C24.3610FFE1@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> > > ma nemas frke, been there, done that! :-) Hi! Osim > Dushka, ovdje sam ti ja (Sasha - Pula, Cro) i Matej > (Slo) iz bivse... jel' te... drzave :-). > Welcome!
Jel nisu bili dva Slovenaca? Tko nam josh fali sad - jedan Kosovar, Crnogorac i Bosanac. ;o)
Marko, 1996 in Budapest for the DT gig, I hang around with a group of Belgarde DT fans. They were very cool, but they didn't have Internet at the time so they didn't know about this list. Maybe you know some of them, ... or maybe you are some of them? :)
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:49:33 +0200 From: "Frans de Smit" <Fsmit@caiw.nl> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5414 Message-ID: <000001bf9b9f$434405e0$bb1cfea9@fsmit>
> I believe it's free. This is certain to change. Eventually > this programmer is going to get on the kick of every other > internet service provider and start allowing ads in his > software. > > >Will me signing up mean that anyone else with > >Napster can see my entire hard drive when they search for MP3's? > > This was a bug, which may have been fixed by now, but > it did allow people to range through others' computers. > > >Is it the type of thing where you upload MP3s to a Napster server, then > >when you search for them, you're actually only > >searching the server? > > you connect to a server which allows you to browse the > mp directory of anyone else connected to that server. > Likewise, they do the same to you. > > >What kind of legal ramifications are there for publicly > >uploading/downloading MP3's? > > still as illegal as ever. Some universities are blocking > access to the site because it is a bandwidth hog and a > few selfish idiots were shutting down their systems looking > for mp3s. > > U/J
Fortunately, the law definately made some errors in this internet business. One of them is that the mp3's itself are very illegal and of course Napster is offering them via their servers, but they can never sue napster for anything since napster servers never have any mp3's on their servers! There is one setback to napster actually; picture this: You find a rare Dream Theater mp3 after several days/weeks/months of searching and your downloading it from someone. Suddenly your internet connection drops (or that someone's internet connection for that matter) .. After some swearing you reconnect en want to "resume" which is possible in Napster. Problem is..you have no way of connecting to that same server again.. napster does the pinging and just "throws" you on the server who happends to have the best ping at that moment..
This most likely will be fixed soon in future napster versions if the maker thinks clearly; but in the meantime a friend of mine found a prog which allows you to connect to the server you want!
Surf to http://www.napigator.com and download that.
In addition to this, and to justify this message to the list, why not pick a server and start sharing rare/live/bootlogs/etcetc songs..?!
greetings from holland..
---------------------------------------- F. de Smit fsmit@caiw.nl, fsmit@hotmail.com "You'll Never miss it 'till it's gone away"
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 13:23:45 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: HOB Broadcast -- please someone try to tape it Message-ID: <38E63EB1.F28C6092@wezl.org>
I have people working on dubbing this show, I know for a fact I'll have a cd (or two) of the actual saved event from a t1 stream...we're trying to locate someone with a video card that has vid-out so I can dub it to a HI-FI tape. I'll keep everyone posted on how this turns out.
The Mad Tabber wrote:
> I was at this concert, and would love for someone to try and tape it. I'll > even help pay for the price of the concert. > > ]From what most have said, I'm not sure if the video will work out or not. > But it seems like the audio might. > > In any event, I would love to get my hands on either ... and unfortunately I > am out of town this weekend. Otherwise, I would try it and share it with > the Jam as some CD or video tree. > > So, please someone try!! > > And even if the quality is not the best, I'll be willing to go in with you > if you will send me a copy. > > Let me know, > > The MadTabber > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: screechy vocals (SG) Message-ID: <20000401184755.10466.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com>
Waseem <Dyne@home.com> wrote:
> well, how about SHADOW GALLERY for a prog group minus the screechy vox. > personally i dont think they're too abrasive to my ears that is.
We're playing with fire here! I wouldn't want to start a Shadow Gallery war again, but I would urge anyone interested in Shadow Gallery to listen before buying. Quite a few people do find the vocals abrasive (or cheesy)...Quite a few people like them. It's a love or hate kinda thing with SG vocals.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 15:29:05 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: screechy vocals (SG) Message-ID: <38E65C11.B336B4B@yunque.net>
Brian Hansen wrote:
> We're playing with fire here! I wouldn't want to start > a Shadow Gallery war again, but I would urge anyone > interested in Shadow Gallery to listen before buying. > Quite a few people do find the vocals abrasive (or > cheesy)...Quite a few people like them. It's a love or > hate kinda thing with SG vocals. > > my $.02, BH >
True! Although Im on the other side of the scope, I find the vocalist (Mike Baker? was it?) to be very good, although sometimes his vocals sound too "dramatic", nevermind , i understand myself. What really turns me of about SG is the music itself. I find it corny and cheesy and trying too hard to be "prog". In any case, its all in the eye of the beholder, because i *love* Dali's Dilemma, and you could argue that they are a DT ripoff etc etc. Different strokes for different folks...in my case specifically, i have become bored with the prog scene lately, nothing ive heard has blown me away in a long time, Pain of salvation and Dali's Dilemma come close..but not quite the way as bands like Opeth and Anathema have kicked my ass lately. Hell, im going to catch fire witht his but i think Opeth's latest disc is more progressive than SFAM. Maybe not in the technical sense of prog, but in the sense of doing something completely original and brutally awesome.
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It)Bīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:28:44 -0600 (CST) From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5414 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004011727390.24180-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
As for connecting to different servers...if you're on a mac there are a few different programs you can use in place of napster which are better designed and include this option. I'm sure there are similar things for the pc. Check out www.download.com, they have a number of things in this area.
-Brian
On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Frans de Smit wrote:
> > > I believe it's free. This is certain to change. Eventually > > this programmer is going to get on the kick of every other > > internet service provider and start allowing ads in his > > software. > > > > >Will me signing up mean that anyone else with > > >Napster can see my entire hard drive when they search for MP3's? > > > > This was a bug, which may have been fixed by now, but > > it did allow people to range through others' computers. > > > > >Is it the type of thing where you upload MP3s to a Napster server, then > > >when you search for them, you're actually only > > >searching the server? > > > > you connect to a server which allows you to browse the > > mp directory of anyone else connected to that server. > > Likewise, they do the same to you. > > > > >What kind of legal ramifications are there for publicly > > >uploading/downloading MP3's? > > > > still as illegal as ever. Some universities are blocking > > access to the site because it is a bandwidth hog and a > > few selfish idiots were shutting down their systems looking > > for mp3s. > > > > U/J > > Fortunately, the law definately made some errors in this internet business. > One of them is that the mp3's itself are very illegal and of course Napster > is offering them via their servers, but they can never sue napster for > anything since napster servers never have any mp3's on their servers! There > is one setback to napster actually; picture this: > You find a rare Dream Theater mp3 after several days/weeks/months of > searching and your downloading it from someone. Suddenly your internet > connection drops (or that someone's internet connection for that matter) .. > After some swearing you reconnect en want to "resume" which is possible in > Napster. Problem is..you have no way of connecting to that same server > again.. napster does the pinging and just "throws" you on the server who > happends to have the best ping at that moment.. > > This most likely will be fixed soon in future napster versions if the maker > thinks clearly; but in the meantime a friend of mine found a prog which > allows you to connect to the server you want! > > Surf to http://www.napigator.com and download that. > > In addition to this, and to justify this message to the list, why not pick a > server and start sharing rare/live/bootlogs/etcetc songs..?! > > greetings from holland.. > > ---------------------------------------- > F. de Smit > fsmit@caiw.nl, fsmit@hotmail.com > "You'll Never miss it 'till it's gone away" > > > >
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