YTSEJAM Digest 5578
Today's Topics:
1) Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
by YtseSryche@aol.com
2) Zappa vs. bands
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) Symphony X
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
4) Re: Mars 2112
by mildew@ucla.edu
5) Re: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
by elmariachi@metallica.com
6) Re: Ozz Fest/Maiden
by "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
7) Re: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) NDTC: Star Wars Rock Band URL??
by MTeiper@aol.com
9) Re: wacken open air
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
10) Re: Star Wars Rock Band URL??
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Re: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
by David Biggs <virtualpc@home.com>
12) The Riverside
by David Biggs <virtualpc@home.com>
13) Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
14) Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
16) Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
17) cool
by "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
18) Re: cool
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) 2112/philly
by Joshua Rasiel <Josh@On-LineDesign.Com>
20) DT fans
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:47:27 EDT
From: YtseSryche@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
Message-ID: <bd.615d6f6.26c87f7f@aol.com>
I was at the Chicago show on the 12th and i've come to realize that a LARGE
number of dream theater fans just plain ol' suck. I don't understand why a
crowd can't groove to the music and have fun without pushing, fighting, and
yelling obscenities at eachother. Not only that, but i couldn't even hear the
first 20 minutes of the show cause of the screaming and i was right up front.
I don't know if others agree with me here, but it's gone too far with people
forgetting how to have fun and just enjoy a show without feeling the need to
mosh into people. I figure, go to show and enjoy it on your own level, in any
way you like as long as it doesn't disturb someone elses. This older
gentleman next to me kept getting smashed into by some people and he clearly
wasn't appreciating it. I'm not saying don't have fun, but some people really
need to learn how to chill out and enjoy a concert. Hell, if it takes jumping
on the band wagon and going to see a Phish show to see how to let people ALL
enjoy themselves, then do so, cause i'm pretty sure DT wouldn't want to have
pissed off fans in the crowd fighting with eachother, that's ridiculous. Oh
well, kick ass set, and the people wre good for Spock's Beard. Well now
proceed with telling me that it's not the Dream theater fans that suck, it's
me.
tonyC
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:50:13 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Zappa vs. bands
Message-ID: <39972625.646DF776@mol.com.mk>
> From: DoubleJay54@aol.com
>
> << What did Zappa have against Toto? Anyone familiar? >>
>
> I freind of mine took a rock and roll history course at indiana.
> the prof. was friends with FZ
Hehe, cool. Any stories to share? Private mail will do fine.
> and he once told him that he hated all bands with exception
> of the monkees. He said all bands were fake and living a
> lie, and the only band to admit it was the monkess.
Bah, now that is exagerating!
He was so pissed off (with good right and reason tough) that he went to
another extreme hating everything.
Silent genius is slightly better than this kind of. But he WAS a genius.
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:32:39 -0400
From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Symphony X
Message-ID: <003401c0057e$c553de40$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
>> NP: Symphony X - The Divine Wings of tragedy
>> (this album gives me a hard on.. :-)
Dustro said:
>then you need to check out the other 3 albums!!! even better...
I disagree. All I have is Divine Wings..., and Twilight in Olympus - but I
think DWoT kicks TiO's ass all over the place.
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:25:45 -0800
From: mildew@ucla.edu
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Mars 2112
Message-ID: <200008132334.QAA20736@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
>> So wait, let's back up a second. There's a restaurant in NYC with
>> "2112" in the title and you're DEBATING whether to go there or not???
Hah, I agree with that one. I don't remember what the name of the place was in NYC when I saw DT there, but there was a big infinity sign on the menu. It was also raining on the streets of New York City. I was amused :)
~~Amanda (not going to SF after all)
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Date: 13 Aug 2000 19:07:35 -0700
From: elmariachi@metallica.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
Message-ID: <20000814020735.26855.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net>
On Sun, 13 August 2000, YtseSryche@aol.com wrote:
> I was at the Chicago show on the 12th and i've come to realize that a LARGE
> number of dream theater fans just plain ol' suck. I don't understand why a
> crowd can't groove to the music and have fun without pushing, fighting, and
> yelling obscenities at eachother....I'm not saying don't have fun, but some people really
> need to learn how to chill out and enjoy a concert....i'm pretty sure DT wouldn't want to have
> pissed off fans in the crowd fighting with eachother, that's ridiculous.
This is why I went up to the balcony level at the 9:30 club earlier this year for the Metropolis 2000 show. Great view, no pushing. We got in early enough to grab excellent spots on the floor, then saw the open space on the balcony and changed our minds. It's called "growing up." I'm in my upper 20's now, and my friend was in his mid 30's. You kinda grow out of moshing and just want to see the band after a few years.
> Well now
> proceed with telling me that it's not the Dream theater fans that suck, it's
> me.
It's not you. Or at least, it's not JUST you. Also went to see the Summer Sanitarium tour in Baltimore this past July. Had no interest whatsoever in getting there early enough to get on the field because I didn't want to get crushed. When I was 18, that was fun - kinda. But it's sort of lost its appeal.
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:21:55 -0500
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Ozz Fest/Maiden
Message-ID: <auto-000015608396@front001.cluster1.charter.net>
Hey, I have really been out of the loop with the jams lately, but I
figured I'd let anyone know that I'll be at Ozz Fest in St. Louis
tomorrow (wearing a DT shirt, most likely, of course :), as well as
the Iron Maiden show at Sandstone in Kansas City Aug. 20
(probably wearing some sort of DT attire as well), so if you see me,
say hey :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:27:40 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me)
Message-ID: <62.641edbb.26c8b31c@aol.com>
I've been to 5 DT shows now, and not once have I ever been involved in or
even seen a fight, or an argument, or a large amount of cursing...and all 5
shows have been in Philadelphia! Simple solution to your problem...don't get
so close to the stage. If you do, you're gonna get pushed around and have
people singing loudly in your ears whether you like it or not. So many
people want to get as close as they can to the band, they just plow their way
through other people.
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:56:27 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: NDTC: Star Wars Rock Band URL??
Message-ID: <e0.87c3f21.26c8c7eb@aol.com>
Hey gang -
Some time ago, somebody posted a URL of a rock band that dressed in Star Wars
outfits. I checked the site out at the time and thought it was pretty cool.
Of course, being the moron that I am, I forgot to save the URL. :-) Would
somebody be so kind as to pass it my way again??
Many thanks... Matt T.
NP: Iron Maiden "Somewhere In Time"
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:13:37 -0400
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: wacken open air
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000814001337.0088ee90@localhost>
> timo koltiperto, the singer in strato, burned his hand in the pyroeffects,
> but got a bandage and continued the show.
He got burned pretty badly actually.
http://www.panix.com/~jens/parse.cgi/w2k.par
> and nightwish.. .ah.. nightwish was magnificent! i think this was the
> greatest concert for me... the ywere really great live...
Ah yes. First time I saw'em after many near-misses. Liked as well!
--- Jens. <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:46:32 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Star Wars Rock Band URL?? Message-ID: <001d01c005aa$a1dcdf80$4e0d84d0@korg>
> Of course, being the moron that I am, I forgot to save the URL. :-) Would > somebody be so kind as to pass it my way again??
http://www.lynxus.com/members/~toastprd/tarkin/ -- KorgX3 :D
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:11:24 -0500 From: David Biggs <virtualpc@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Why Dream Theater Fans Suck (you heard me) Message-ID: <B5BCE9AC.112B%virtualpc@home.com>
on 8/13/00 5:57 PM, YtseSryche@aol.com at YtseSryche@aol.com wrote:
> > I was at the Chicago show on the 12th and i've come to realize that a LARGE > number of dream theater fans just plain ol' suck. I don't understand why a > crowd can't groove to the music and have fun without pushing, fighting, and > yelling obscenities at eachother. Not only that, but i couldn't even hear the > first 20 minutes of the show cause of the screaming and i was right up front. > I don't know if others agree with me here, but it's gone too far with people > forgetting how to have fun and just enjoy a show without feeling the need to > mosh into people. I figure, go to show and enjoy it on your own level, in any > way you like as long as it doesn't disturb someone elses. This older > gentleman next to me kept getting smashed into by some people and he clearly > wasn't appreciating it. I'm not saying don't have fun, but some people really > need to learn how to chill out and enjoy a concert. Hell, if it takes jumping > on the band wagon and going to see a Phish show to see how to let people ALL > enjoy themselves, then do so, cause i'm pretty sure DT wouldn't want to have > pissed off fans in the crowd fighting with eachother, that's ridiculous. Oh > well, kick ass set, and the people wre good for Spock's Beard. Well now > proceed with telling me that it's not the Dream theater fans that suck, it's > me. > tonyC
heh.. i was at the chicago show as well - and i thought it was fantastic, but more on this topic - i was 2nd row center with all of my friends, (i was the guy with the carvin hat on) and there was a bit of a confrontation. it seems that these 4 kids walked up from the back and took their spot right in front of the couple that i was standing next too. this was obviously not something that's fun to watch, so we asked them to leave. unfortunately, they didn't quite cooperate. in fact, they actually tapped my friend on the shoulder and told him that they were going to get front row - so when "home" started playing, there were more than just thrown elbows.. it seems that this fiasco almost ended in someone on the floor. thanks be that eventually everyone cooled down a bit, but you're right, this was the first instance of a real fight that i'd seen at a dream theater concert - and it did take a bit away from the performance. but then.. i went to see them at the riverside the next night ;)
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:23:57 -0500 From: David Biggs <virtualpc@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Riverside Message-ID: <B5BCEC9D.112C%virtualpc@home.com>
I went to the Chicago and Milwaukee shows for this leg of the tour and i have to say that i was more than impressed. Especially in Milwaukee, although DT put on a slightly cuffed version of the setlist (no LTE, etc) it was the best i've ever seen them live before.
but spock's beard was something else.. ryo, the keyboardist, is absolutely insane.. and my apologies to the rest of the theatre, for interrupting the concert (gave him a starburst, he came over and chatted.. neal was like "ok, and back to the concert.." ;P
but the riviera was the strangest place i've ever been to see a rock concert. my seat was in the pit - i didn't find out until later what exactly that meant - the orchestra pit. turns out i was in front of the front row, everyone put their drinks on the stage. so that was spectacular really, to be that close. the strangest thing though had to be the fact that you could buy popcorn and that they had a full bar set up for drinks. this place is fantastic, they should just do milwaukee every night ;)
i showed up there about 1:00, expecting a line, so when there was none i got a chance to talk to the techs unloading all of the equipment, and managed to get an after show pass - which was even more fantastic to have conversations with the band members themselves (if anyone else was there afterwards, i was the kid in the carvin guitar hat and the green dream theater shirt).
anyone, just wondering - did anyone get this show recorded ? *duck* i'd really like to have it as a memento of the experience ;)
ciao, dave.
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal Message-ID: <20000814055227.12450.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com>
This question should be simple enough...
What is the difference between hard rock and heavy metal? It's something I haven't had a totally strong grip on and thought you guys might be able to nail down the differences, if there are any.
Thanks!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:47:00 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal Message-ID: <001401c005bb$75bc93d0$4e0d84d0@korg>
Hard Rock = Distorted Barre Chords, no growly vox. Heavy Metal = Power Chords and growly vox. Easy enough? :D -- KorgX3 http://www.safelink.net/washburn/cookie.mp3 (Hard Metal?)
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:41:34 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal Message-ID: <003901c005ba$b4a8ef40$d83536cb@user>
Hey Korg I hope you're not saying that AC/DC are a "HEAVY METAL" band??? *L*
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> > > Hard Rock = Distorted Barre Chords, no growly vox. > Heavy Metal = Power Chords and growly vox. > Easy enough? :D
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:26:48 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal Message-ID: <007601c005ea$ec9a5f80$76035a8c@noaa.gov.nws>
IMHO
Hard Rock: Makes me tap my foot and maybe play some air instruments Heavy Metal: Head Bangs violently (when listening to AWAKE bang entire upper body!)
I-Man
----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Hard Rock vs. Heavy Metal
> > Hey Korg I hope you're not saying that AC/DC are a "HEAVY METAL" band??? > *L* > > > ----- Original Message ----- > ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> > > > > Hard Rock = Distorted Barre Chords, no growly vox. > > Heavy Metal = Power Chords and growly vox. > > Easy enough? :D > >
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:12:07 -0700 From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: cool Message-ID: <000e01c00602$03019330$574b010a@winstar.com>
New Releases from Tiles and Vanden Plas on 10/13 and Pain of Salvation on 10/31. See insideoutmusic.com
Trevor
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:37:47 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: cool Message-ID: <000e01c00605$a156b030$0201010a@chuck>
> New Releases from Tiles and Vanden Plas on 10/13 and Pain of Salvation > 10/31.
Oh, yeah. The new Enchant album is supposed to be out in October, too, according to their website. :D Cool cover art, too. :)
Also, Asia is planning on releasing their next album "Aura" in October as well. It sounds like October will be a good music month. :D -- KorgX3 has to hurry and pay off his credit card.
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:09:08 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <Josh@On-LineDesign.Com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 2112/philly Message-ID: <399827B2.63905EC5@On-LineDesign.Com>
MARS 2112 is on b'way, in the low fifties, at the base of the paramount building. It's cool but a bit expensive...
I saw we all meet at Krispy Kreme, on 23rd and 8th. So what if it's 20 blocks south? Them is good eats!
So i'm sitting at my desk at work, decked out in my new mmmmmmmmAIDEN shirt. Philly show was great. I had a QR HitNF shirt on, so nobody would have recognized me, but an hour after the show, at a diner 30 minutes away, I saw a guy in a met2 shirt. And the day before at the same show, there were some girls sportin' megadeth and 'crue, for the show following our maiden one. mmmmmmmmmmAIDEN!
Bruce was great as always. He clearly chugged buckets of crack before the show, because I don't know he can sing and move like that for 2 hours straight. And he really tore into the guys that throw stuff on the stage. at one point he stopped singing and said "we've come here to play music for you, you f---ing c---!". that got some huge applause.
Later, intro-ing Number of the Beast, and pissed about censhorship and stereotypes, he called Tipper Gore "Tipper Dumptruck". That was the pinnacle of the evening for me.
All three geetarists were great, jannik is really good at entertaining everyone when he doesn't have anything to play, lights 'n' pyro were fantastic if a bit cheesy/spinal-tappy, but this is maiden and if you don't like it then we'll come over and bite your wussy head off, mmmmmMETAL!
Queensryche did a solid 45 minutes - I don't care for lady wore black, or the new stuff obviously, but otherwise all good, mostly mindcrime. Geoff strained on some high notes but he still has it.
I didn't really see halford. I was busy lugging my 500-gallon-jumbo-super-gulp to my seat.
josh
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT fans Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0008141317450.21593-100000@gs.bass.org>
I wore my DT tour t-shirt last Thursday to two different events. First was the Ohio Players (giving a free concert sponsored by a local station), where nobody commented on the shirt [not that I expected it], then later I went with a friend to Annapolis to see her friend's band, where two people commented on the shirt, one of whom had his own jersey. Extraordinary.
Joe: >Transatlantic's D.C. show can be seen on the web at >www.digitalclubnetwork.com
Yeah. It was playing fine (though it wasn't syncing) then I tried to fast forward, and the video was fine (after several minutes) but no audio. I gave up. When I have more time to spare, I'll watch it straight through.
paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul's Bimonthly Musical Quote:
I never thought I'd die alone/ a long, long time ago
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