YTSEJAM Digest 5713
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5712
by agoldman@bates.edu
2) Scarred Records
by Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
3) commercial successes owning up
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
4) Savatage
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
5) Re: Savatage
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <prog@yunque.net>
6) Re: Savatage
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
7) Re: Savatage
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <prog@yunque.net>
8) coupla things...
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) the newest DT site !!
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
10) Re: incubus
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
11) Copyrights
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Acoustic Dreams
by "Adam N. Yarter" <jaguirre@ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:04:56 GMT
From: agoldman@bates.edu
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5712
Message-ID: <200012260804.DAA10813@abacus.bates.edu>
>I don't know if they play it everywhere, but one of the reasons i like
>incubus is the cool acoustic version they have of that "combustion"
>song. it's impressive.
I think the song you're thinking of is "Pardon Me" on their Make Yourself
album. If you like that, you should pick up their new EP called "Attack of the
Incubus Part 1." It's only 8 bucks, so you don't have an excuse not to get
it :-) It's got a couple versions of that song, plus some other great
acoustic and live tracks.
Ari
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:30:15 -0200
From: Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Scarred Records
Message-ID: <9AD26275A486D4118BB30050DABFD26F674CB2@CORREIO>
Hey Jammers,
I'm not badmouthing Ryan. I just wanted to know if he's got problems again
or if the discs are lost in the mail.
Alex
Curitiba, Brazil
> From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
> Subject: RE: Scarred Records
>
> Hang in there Alex... Ryan is an honest guy and I know him personally.
> He's had a rough time as of late but you will get your stuff, he will see
to
>it.
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alexandro Talamini [SMTP:Alexandro@Boticario.com.br]
>>> Subject: Scarred Records
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to know if anyone on the list got stuff from Scarred Records
>>> lately. I was supposed to get mine a while ago, according to the last
>>> update
>>> on its web page. The stuff should have been shipped almost 2 months ago,
>>> but
>>> I got nothing so far.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>> Curitiba, Brazil
>>>
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:03:28 +0100
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: commercial successes owning up
Message-ID: <027b01c06f33$dbe66aa0$3cff9f0a@pc60>
Hi Jammers :
Talking about commercial successes,
Glad to see some of you have owned up :
come-on we've all sang the odd commercial song and loved it ...
.. and I'm the first to slag the crap they feed the masses to.
I've an idea lets make a list :
I'll start with 1 or 2 :
U2 (the old stuff)
Tori Amos
Sting
Aerosmith
;) OK OK so I didn't take that much risk ...
mabee next time !
See ye
FrancoIrishCycoDreamer
PS : When I was young I had a hardcore group on a tape that was awesome (crazy multiple piano hardcore classical punky stuff).
That tape broke
I think the name was something like "rip brick and panic" but I'm totaly unsure.
Any ideas for the real name ?
Any ideas where I could find some stuff ?
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:31:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10012260829360.88968-100000@archa14.cc.uga.edu>
Joe DeAngelo wrote:
This is kinda what I'm afraid of....... :(
I'm a HUGE fan of the last 4 Sava CDs....... but as for stuff like Hall
of
the Mountain King...... I don't think I've listened to that CD but 3 or 4
times in the couple years I've had it.
>>
Likewise, my friend. We'll see how it comes out, but I'm fearing the same
regression that you are...
Matt Smith "It would be nice if I could find
ktulu@arches.uga.edu someone to help me stop spilling
dairy products." -Susan Myers
NOW PLAYING: Royal Hunt--Double Live
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:47:37 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <prog@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Savatage
Message-ID: <3A48A179.6E68A689@yunque.net>
Matt Smith wrote:
> Joe DeAngelo wrote:
>
> This is kinda what I'm afraid of....... :(
>
> I'm a HUGE fan of the last 4 Sava CDs....... but as for stuff like Hall
> of
> the Mountain King...... I don't think I've listened to that CD but 3 or 4
> times in the couple years I've had it.
> >>
>
> Likewise, my friend. We'll see how it comes out, but I'm fearing the same
> regression that you are...
>
>
Count me in...I was very sad when i heard the news of Zak's departure,
mainly because i cant stand Jon Oliva's voice for more than one song or two.
IMO , anyone who says hes better and conveys more emotion than Zak is
obviously blinded
by being a fan of them before Zak or something.. Jon's singing is so gritty
its good for being the "bad guy"
like hes done in the last couple of discs...but his voice makes me cringe when
he tries to sing quiet songs like
the ones on streets and the unplugged songs found on the special edition Wake
of magellan disc..
He may have been good in his time..but god ,IMO he is nowhere near zak
stevens...
Savatage, in losing Zak, and not doing counterpoint style vocals (and staying
away from the concept album,
which i dont mind that much) is effectively shedding the very thing that made
them enjoyable to me.
.so im really not holding my breathfor the next release.
For me, Savatage as a regular metal band (older albums) is so-so..not too
interesting...
now the recent concept album years... THAT is something else..
just my opinion...
Carlos A. Alfaro
Internet Solutions, Inc
P.O. Box 29742
San Juan, PR 00929
Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:22:48 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Savatage
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226110105.00aa4720@cs.millersville.edu>
>mainly because i cant stand Jon Oliva's voice for more than one song or two.
>IMO , anyone who says hes better and conveys more emotion than Zak is
>obviously blinded by being a fan of them before Zak or something..
The first Savatage album I bought was "Dead Winter Dead". I thought it was
great. Then I bought "Hall of the Mountain King", and I thought it was
even better. I was not "blinded by being a fan of them before Zak" because
I almost couldn't have been one in the olden days -- I was only 9 when
HotMK came out. Some of us younguns (who've worked our way backwards
through the Savacatalog) actually *enjoy* the sound of Oliva's voice,
believe it or not, and appreciate the older music as much as, or, in my
case, even more, than the new stuff.
I don't mean this to sound like a rip on anybody, incidentally, just
understand that all the fans out there don't necessarily share your
point-of-view.
>I asked if they would be continuing with
>the counterpoint vocals on the new one, and he said they pop up on a
>couple of songs, but, in his words, "it's pretty much back to the Mountain
>King days." Hmmmm...
All I can say to that is: HELL YEAH!
Brian
[NP...Cave In -- Jupiter]
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:36:41 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <prog@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Savatage
Message-ID: <3A48C919.3B04DEEC@yunque.net>
WB Henderson wrote:
> The first Savatage album I bought was "Dead Winter Dead". I thought it was
> great. Then I bought "Hall of the Mountain King", and I thought it was
> even better. I was not "blinded by being a fan of them before Zak" because
> I almost couldn't have been one in the olden days -- I was only 9 when
> HotMK came out. Some of us younguns (who've worked our way backwards
> through the Savacatalog) actually *enjoy* the sound of Oliva's voice,
> believe it or not, and appreciate the older music as much as, or, in my
> case, even more, than the new stuff.
>
> I don't mean this to sound like a rip on anybody, incidentally, just
> understand that all the fans out there don't necessarily share your
> point-of-view.
>
Yeah obviously its all a matter of personal taste... im just expressing my dismay
:(
:)
Any vocalists or voice students on the list who are sava fans care to give their
opinions? :)
Carlos A. Alfaro
Internet Solutions, Inc
P.O. Box 29742
San Juan, PR 00929
Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:56:31 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: coupla things...
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFALCONAKEGIPJGEGFCAAA.szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
Hmmm...I sure haven't posted in a while. (I'm sure no one missed me.)
Speaking of which: it's good to see you again, Ytse-Ben!!! Have your
testicles descended yet? :)
> -----Original Message-----
> My cousin got an HP Journada 548 Color Pocket PC with
> 32mb and internet, for Christmas. She's currently
> trying to decide if it's worth keeping or it should be
> returned, so we're trying to find info/advice on
> hand-held PCs in general, and this HP one in
Well, not to be vague or anything, but depending on what you're going
to use it for, you might be better off with a Palm M100 or a pen and
an address book. :)
Seriously, it all depends on what she's gonna use it for. If she's
serious about the functionality of her handheld, one word: iPaq! (You
can run Linux on it!)
> > I asked if they would be continuing with
> > the counterpoint vocals on the new one, and he said they
> > pop up on a couple of songs, but, in his words, "it's pretty much
> > back to the Mountain King days." Hmmmm...
>
> This is kinda what I'm afraid of....... :(
Me too. I CRINGE...
> I'm a HUGE fan of the last 4 Sava CDs....... but as for
> stuff like Hall of the Mountain King...... I don't think I've
listened to
> that CD but 3 or 4 times in the couple years I've had it.
I'm with you 100%. I was crushed whn Al Pitrelli (one of the most
emotive guitarists out there, IMO) left to joined that hack band
Megadeth for the big money and fabulous prizes. Then when Zak left, I
was crushed again - he's one of the best singers around.
The only pre-Zak CD's I have are Hall of the Mountain King and
Streets, and none of them really do anything for me. I mean, Criss is
great (though I prefer Al), and the story is good on Streets, but
that's about it. Now, Edge of Thorns is awesome, as is DWD and TWoM.
I don't have Poets and Madmen. is it good?
In other news, I ordered my JP/JR CDs on, like, the 21st of December.
They're here already! The website said four weeks, not four days!
Cool.
I guess that's it.
See yous later,
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:55:11 -0200
From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: the newest DT site !!
Message-ID: <159701c06f5c$9d1ef520$c549bcc8@desk>
ytsejammers !
go check www.dreamtheater.com.br !!
Although the site is in portuguese, there are a lotta cool things over there
!!!
Thanks and c-ya
Gilberto & Adriana
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:14:33 -0500
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: incubus
Message-ID: <3CF46D1AA4BD4D11EA910005B8CC3288@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I totally agree. This band deserves to be checked out! I am usually just an old school prog
guy but this band has great songs. "Make Yourself" is just an awesome disc. Brandon Boyd
has a great voice and to me, sounds alot like Mike Patton which is ALWAYS a good thing.
Rob
---- Begin Original Message ----
Sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:59:06 -0800 (PST)
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: incubus
>the band Incubus, which is
>appreciating great commercial success, is a very deep, diverse,
>and talented group. Brandon Boyd, their vocalist, is among the
>best out there today.
Yeah, they're pretty good!
they have a few songs in rotation and I like them all. Which is
interesting: it proves that I don't dismiss bands just cuz they're radio
friendly. I pretty much leave the dial on K-ROCK and yes, most of what I
hear appears to be crap, and I tend not to give the benefit of trying to
penetrate that, just in case there's something there. I don't have the
energy. But even so, if it's a decent band or song, then I won't have to
- they'll eventually get through my little filter. Incubus is one such
band. Godsmack isn't bad either. hate papa roach, hate perfect
circle(and yes I love tool!).
I don't know if they play it everywhere, but one of the reasons i like
incubus is the cool acoustic version they have of that "combustion"
song. it's impressive.
-josh
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:58:21 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Copyrights
Message-ID: <3A49309D.BFF147E0@mol.com.mk>
The legend called DOUGLAS ADAMS says:
I don't think the issues are cut and dried at all, and I think that we
will see new models emerge. I don't think any of us can really predict
exactly how they will work, but I do think that any model which
fundamentally prevents people getting something they want is going to
fail. We shouldn't be trying to prevent copying, just trying to make
sure that the creator of the copyright gets something for his or her
work when it happens.
However, under the current state of copyright law, copyright holders are
obliged to protect their rights aggressively, or lose the right to
protect them at all. That's why you'll often see people (such as me)
whose natural instinct is to be a little flexible and forgiving in this
area having instead to take a tough stand.
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Rumours and news about a Hitchiker movie? Anyone has some fresh news?
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:37:37 -0800
From: "Adam N. Yarter" <jaguirre@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Acoustic Dreams
Message-ID: <000501c06fcf$8268e600$657579a5@adamyart>
Hey, does anyone know if there's a higher quality copy of acoustic dreams
than the MP3 bootleg I keep finding?
Thanks..
Kindest regards,
Adam
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