YTSEJAM Digest 5295
Today's Topics:
1) wrestling and DT
by Fett2002@aol.com
2) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5294
by dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
3) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5294
by dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
4) PoS
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5294
by "Greg Jones" <gregrjones@mindspring.com>
6) Re: Progresso
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) CD trades, anyone?
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
8) Recording a show
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: Another Day Single
by TmWhi@cs.com
10) Morons ....
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
11) Re: Morons ....
by "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5294
by Eric J Berger <ejberger@juno.com>
13) Re: Mormons ....
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) progressive soup
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
15) Re: New Music Website
by "Christina Ricciardi" <Stardust@spiritofradio.com>
16) KNAC
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
17) Re: progressive soup *****XMAS CD SPOILER (minor)*****
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
18) disappearing james
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
19)
by "Lucas Vinciguerra" <lucasvinci@yahoo.com>
20) Re: KNAC
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
21) Page/Hammet
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
22) Eckie's Momentary Lapse Of Reason
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
23) Jimmy Page could be eaten by carnivorous lemmings and I still wouldn't take notice of him.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
24) Re: Jimmy Page could be eaten by carnivorous lemmings and I
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
25) Sunday February 6th in San Francisco
by james Mccullough <bugroxx@yahoo.com>
26) Re: Cancelled show! - In defense of Hollywood Palace
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
27) Yes tour and DT
by "Marc Fascia" <mfascia@infogrames.fr>
28) hundred best guitarist
by "mr. case" <wintermute@section-9.com>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:45:27 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: wrestling and DT
Message-ID: <c.f4dfda.25cf2957@aol.com>
I dont know how many of you guys out there like wrestling at all, but Y2J
Chris Jericho (from the WWF) happens to be a big DT fan. In fact he listed
SFAM as his favorite album of the year! Also, he said on his website that he
is going to attend the LA DT show and that if any of his fans are going that
they should introduce themseleves to him atthe show. I think this is pretty
cool of the guy. Also, it's cool to see someone out there endorsing the band
like that. I wouldn't be suprosed if there are at least a few people who go
to that show just to see Jericho. Hell, maybe they'll get converted when
they're there!
-Mike C.
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:51:37 +0100
From: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5294
Message-ID: <TFSKJSPY@tetrapak.com>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:51:38 +0100
From: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5294
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:58:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: PoS
Message-ID: <20000206195824.9409.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com>
>N.P. Pain of Salvation: One Hour (This CD comes
>with stick'um because I too am unable to remove it
>from my player!!!)
And you have 'Entropia', yes? IMHO, 'One Hour' pales
in comparison...and, yes, I actually had 'One Hour'
first, so it's not a case of first love...
Mike
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:09:49 -0500
From: "Greg Jones" <gregrjones@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5294
Message-ID: <000a01bf70cd$5f230380$dbe18ad1@gregjones>
>
> I do play some guitar, and have never taken lessons. But I have to
seriously
> object to the pharase "musical laws." Music IMO should have no set laws.
> Thats kind of rediculous I think.
You obviously only play a little guitar. Music does have what can be called
"laws". I prefer to call them guidelines. Some examples of musical
guidelines are:
1. Everytime you play a Dominant 13th chord, the chord will sound dissonant.
2. Suspended chords don't sound resolved.
3. C is not in the key of A major
4. An Eb major chord sounds "out of place" (for lack of a better term) in
the key of A major but it works great in the keys of Bb, Ab and Eb.
I could go on.
Music has "guidelines". Don't let this scare you. All it means is that
certain things can be done which yield the same results everytime. Science
calls these "laws". I only call them guidelines because one doesn't have to
follow them in the sense that one has to play a C# instead of a C natural
when playing a song that is in the key of A major. You can play anything you
want. It depends upon the sound that you want. With the example of playing a
C natural in a song that's in the key of A major, if you want the music to
sound bluesy or jazzy, there are ways to insert this note. If you don't want
the music to sound bluesy/jazzy, don't play the note. This is a guideline,
law......call it whatever you want.
I do understand what you are saying. No one should write/play music
according to a prescribed formula. But at the same time, one should
understand the guidelines/rules. One should understand that a mixolydian
chord progression sounds way different than a phyrgian chord progression.
Phyrgian can sound like heavy metal, middle eastern or Spanish music.
Mixolydian can give a rock/blues sound. Know the rules and then use them in
any combination that suits you. *That* is where the creativity comes in.
Check out my music theory website for more insights at:
http://www.geocities.com/gregrjones
Greg
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:12:45 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Progresso
Message-ID: <ba.14cd2de.25cf2fbd@aol.com>
>Progresso is a complany that makes some really sweet New England Clam
>Chowder in the can. They also make alot of other great soups and canned
>foods. You can visit them on the web at http://www.progressosoup.com/
You forgot to mention that they make damn good breadcrumbs as well. But you
make a good point. Progresso makes some damn good products. In all our
babbles here about DT, progressive music, guitarists, keyboardists, mp3s and
what not, I believe that we neglected to ever mention this. So, let's please
take a moment of our busy day and briefly acknowledge all the hard work that
all the fine people of Progresso do in order to make our lives
better..................................Thanks You. Now, back to the
squabbling!
-Mike C.
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:20:21 -0500
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: CD trades, anyone?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000206143252.0186f920@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey folks...
Looking to do some Dream Theater CD, DAT, or _very_ rare cassette
trades. Plenty of DT and others to trade. I'm looking specifically for
current SFAM tour shows, but please send me a list of everything you've got
if you're interested in trading. My list is at
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 .
Please don't try to offer me Bahr boots... I've had all of them for quite
awhile but they're not on my list due to several factors (like most of them
aren't full shows and, in general, they suck anyway).
Take care all... (and see some of your at the Atlanta and Pompano DT shows!)
Adam
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http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1
^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:08:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Recording a show
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002061604590.60353-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I plan on attempting to record the show at the Roxy on the 27th.
Unfortunately I don't know how to do it. If I'm really lucky, I can get a
hold of a DAT recorder, but I don't know what kind of things I have to do
to make a stereo recording. What kind of microphone do I need, and where
should I stand, and how far away should I be. Those are the kinds of
questions I need answered. I am not sure that I'll be able to do it, but
I'd LIKE to be able to record the show and possibly trade with others.
Can anybody help me out?
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a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:39:18 EST
From: TmWhi@cs.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Another Day Single
Message-ID: <e3.f33c21.25cf4406@cs.com>
Hello Everyone,
Does anyone have a copy of the official 3-track DT single
'Another Day' to sell? I will pay good money. Please E-mail me at
TmWhi@cs.com.
Thanks,
Tom White
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:59:01 -0500
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Morons ....
Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D347FFF12@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
Dimitri sayeth in a basement of drunken monkeys or what ever in the hell
D-Bag says - no, really ..... glad to have you back !! ;)
>> How can you over sell a show! Are they morons?!!
Well, sadly, there are a lot of rich people on the planet. And from what I
have seen so far, most of them ARE morons !!
>> What the f**k is your problem d**k f**e?
I can solve the puzzle. The first word is fuck, the second is dick and the
last is face !! See Ma, I ain't be gettin down thar stupid in that thar be
my old age.
Mark Metzger, wondering if we can get a war of words over the definition of
progressive, a Metallica pissing contest and a Matt Bahr diatribe in the
same jam.
NP - Voices tribute CD
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:10:59 +0100
From: "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Morons ....
Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030801E524@fileserver2>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Metzger, Mark [SMTP:mmetzger@comversens.com]
> NP - Voices tribute CD
How much did they pay you for this? :D
- Mike
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:12:42 -0500
From: Eric J Berger <ejberger@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5294
Message-ID: <20000206.171245.-967453.0.ejberger@juno.com>
Can I please be taken off this mailing list? I only wish to remain on
the UACM Newsletter list.
Thank you.
ejberger@juno.com
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:30:56 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Mormons ....
Message-ID: <003a01bf70f1$db188630$640d84d0@default>
> >> How can you over sell a show! Are they mormons?!!
>
> Well, sadly, there are a lot of rich people on the planet. And from what
> have seen so far, most of them ARE mormons !!
You know, being a Mormon myself, I take alot of offense to this. Could we
please keep the Mormon bashing down to at least one message per 'jam?
PLEASE? :)
And no, Mormons aren't generally rich. Just the upper ranking clergy. And
Dennis Rodman.
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:07:33 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: progressive soup Message-ID: <200002070207.VAA01799@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in ytsejam@torchsong.com's basement typed:
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:39:00 -0700 > From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Re: progressive? > > Now, whether or not Dream Theater is affiliated with Progresso or not is > totally unrelated to their musical abilities. Why anyone would consider > that to be a 'fault' on their part is absolutely rediculous. At least it > shows that have good taste. :)
Well, smart guy, had you spent the time doing your research, you would see, plain as day, that vindaloos (shipped straight from a suburb of Bombay) are one of the principal flavor enhancements in Progresso's lentil variety.
Sheesh, this place is falling apart. First Korg can't handle his own research, then I post one of the crappiest jokes I've ever thought of sober. Come on, guys, we need to shape this place up.
This inane waste of bandwidth is brought to you by the letter D.
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:40:26 -0500 From: "Christina Ricciardi" <Stardust@spiritofradio.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: New Music Website Message-ID: <200002062140.AA19464428@mail.spiritofradio.com>
Adam Perkowsky wrote:
<< P.S.-Nice job with the site, Chrisitina. It's nice to see that someone can actually have a life and run a nice website too. : ) >>
Thanks, Adam. I'll make sure you're the first one to hear when the James LaBrie interview is finally posted. :) Have you ever had to transcribe over TWO HOURS of yakking? Ay carumba!
And since this brought on comments about Derek's site not being updated in a while (what one has to do with the other is beyond me), Derek and I have been discussing changes and updates while I prepare to switch servers. In the meantime, you can visit the DT site, or you can visit the official Planet X site at http://www.xplanetx.com.
Thanks! ~Christina Ricciardi The Spirit of Radio http://www.spiritofradio.com Believe in the freedom of music
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:24:33 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: KNAC Message-ID: <016401bf7123$3bec5000$046400c0@oemcomputer>
KNAC went off the air in 1993 or so, another casualty of the ever increasing corporate radio terror. KNAC was known all over the world as one of the few commercial metal stations. KNAC bumper stickers have shown up in odd places, including the Berlin Wall.
No, the station isn't back, but they've been an on-line station for awhile at www.knac.com. Too bad you can't get it in the car...
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:53:38 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: progressive soup *****XMAS CD SPOILER (minor)***** Message-ID: <002501bf7127$53f8f0f0$8a0d84d0@default>
> see, plain as day, that vindaloos (shipped straight from a suburb of > Bombay) are one of the principal flavor enhancements in Progresso's > lentil variety.
Exactly, so what's the prob, Merlo? I told you they have good taste. :) *discreetly drops an alceringa in Chris' coffee and watches him choke*
CHOKE! CHOKE!
>Come on, guys, we need to shape this place up.
I could call in a favor that Richard Simmons still owes me... Or I could loan the 'jam one of my Tai Bo videos... That could do it. :)
BTW, just visited me mum's pad and, lo and behold (Gawd Awlmighty, c'n ya feel it!?!? Praise da Lawd! C'n ya feel dis? Uhn... Uhn... *pant pant*), there was the new Xmas CD. Boo yah. Much props to the P-Man for puttin' this shit together. The quality of all of these demoes are damn nice (especially the studio recorded ones, wot?) I like the clothes she wears today. I'd bang her [tm Howard Stern]. -- KorgX3 deals a meal. Fuck yah. One bucket of KFC Xtra Cripsy. Yah boy! NP: Dream Theater - Xmas CD 1999
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:32:22 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: disappearing james Message-ID: <20000207053222.12111.qmail@hotmail.com>
the rest of the band tried to play on at the palace show, but James diappeared and never came back, huh? wonder what the deal is with that....maybe the Fire Marshal grabbed him while he went off stage for a drink during an instrumental break?
partha
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 05:16:51 -0300 From: "Lucas Vinciguerra" <lucasvinci@yahoo.com> To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Message-ID: <000001bf7133$63e0a240$fd132ac8@Mollerica>
Hello jammers:
This is the first time i write. i wanted to know a couple of things, 1. how is the x-mas cd like, is it good?, i want to join the fan club but i don't know if i do it or not. 2. anyone knows if dream theater is planning a tour across south america? 'cos i'm a DT fan and i've never seen them perfoming live. 3. if there's any DT fan in argentina i like them to write to me at my mail adress so we can met sometime.
Lucas Vinciguerra lucasvinci@yahoo.com icq#: 59043176. see ya later people.
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:03:05 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: KNAC Message-ID: <200002070703.XAA19189@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Dave Thomas" thus begged: > >KNAC went off the air in 1993 or so, another casualty of the ever increasing >corporate radio terror. KNAC was known all over the world as one of the few >commercial metal stations. KNAC bumper stickers have shown up in odd places, >including the Berlin Wall.
Ahh... fortunately I still have some KNAC bumper stickers left. KNAC was the last vestiges of anything close to a rock/metal station left in So Cal, unfortunately the airwaves are being taken over by Spanish stations here in LA.
> >Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet >Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming >tools and more! >http://www.pixelplanet.com
Just a word about the Palace show on Friday... the show was stopped mainly because of KROQ night, a dance party type of thing... the club was most likely paid off by the radio station to stop DT and so the club payed the fire marshall to shut the show down... It has happened before while DT played there... I think the House of Blue was completely booked up for NAMM, therefore they couldn't get that venue...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:54:55 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Page/Hammet Message-ID: <389E09CF.67D44592@mol.com.mk>
Here we go again with stupidites, will it ever ends ... Some mindless comments on the topic just proved the fact that so many folks confuse good technician with good guitarist, which is funny and sad in the same time. It tears my heart to think that someone is a DT fan just because the guys happened to be good tehnicians. :(((
LED ZEPPELIN rules! Page was a mean dude, go listen White Summer/Black Mountain Side and tell me he's not a genius? He practically (along with 2, 3 others) invented the classic hard rock guitar.
As for Hammet, I think he should be on a 100 guitairtss list. The Unforgiven solo is some of the most emotional solos IMHO. And the guy CAN play. Or maybe COULD play. Seriously, did anyone noticed how bad he became in the last years? :( As I remember he was great guitarist in the Justice era and before, but now when I see him soloing, it's painful and SO unimaginative. :( I like him, but I just wonder what happened with him?
Some guy said Vai on his new concert did a BLACK DOG cover??? Tell me he does it on every gig of the tour? :)
------------ P.S. Moby Dick riff rules too! :)
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:27:54 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Eckie's Momentary Lapse Of Reason Message-ID: <389E037A.B5D14CE8@mol.com.mk>
> Eckie: > > This green long sleeved shirt ....s > A small Dream Theater logo on the front left breast
LOL Yo guys, got that??? Remember that, it was on the FRONT breast! :))))))))))))))
----------- CyberDuke shamelessly trying to bring up a new PF thread! ;)
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:58:45 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Jimmy Page could be eaten by carnivorous lemmings and I still wouldn't take notice of him. Message-ID: <002701bf7141$3c63ce50$8a0d84d0@default>
> LED ZEPPELIN rules! Page was a mean dude, go listen White Summer/Black > Mountain Side and tell me he's not a genius? He practically (along with > 2, 3 others) invented the classic hard rock guitar.
And all hail the Marlboro Man, for without him your lungs might actually be pure and clean and not filled with tar, cancer, and throat polyps. Hail unto thee, Marlboro Man!
Really. IMO, Jimmy Page blew rectal thermometers. You know, I can accept that, yes, they influenced certain people yadda yadda yadda. BUT, don't try and cram that "he is so great" bullshit down people's throats. "Wah! You have to like him because your favorite player liked him!" Then down the line, when you hear that Englebert Humperdinck inadvertantly influenced Jimmy Page, and I hear you say, "Egad, I hate that guy" I'll be first in line to wave your own flag in your face. How's that sound? :)
I mean, really, I don't expect you to like the Kool-Aid Man simply because Bill Cosby's Jell-O Jigglers could give your breath long lasting freshness like Big Red. Jeez.
> Yo guys, got that??? Remember that, it was on the FRONT breast!
Yah. Unfortunately for Eckie he has to wear the shirt backwards. He's always being mistaken for a hunchback when in reality he is a "back breasted male." Kind of a rare occurance. Perhaps the future of evolution, who knows. Makes sense. That way your papoose can nurse while getting a piggy back ride. What'll they think of next? -- KorgX3 think fresh goes better with life...
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 02:29:15 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jimmy Page could be eaten by carnivorous lemmings and I Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000207082915.016ca6a0@pi-r-squared.com>
At 12:05 AM 2/7/00 -0800, you wrote: > >> LED ZEPPELIN rules! Page was a mean dude, go listen White Summer/Black >> Mountain Side and tell me he's not a genius? He practically (along with >> 2, 3 others) invented the classic hard rock guitar. > >And all hail the Marlboro Man, for without him your lungs might actually be >pure and clean and not filled with tar, cancer, and throat polyps. Hail >unto thee, Marlboro Man! > *snip*
My opinion of the man: sloppy but cool. I LOVE his acoustic guitar sound though. no complaints there.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Such nauseous hypocrisy which, stung by a threepenny tea tax, piles Bunker Hill with granites and statues, prating all the time of patriotism and broadswords, while, like another Pecksniff, it recommends a century of dumb submission and entire non-resistance to the Russians, who for a hundred years have seen their sons by thousands dragged to death or exile" -Wendell Phillips, 1881
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: james Mccullough <bugroxx@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Sunday February 6th in San Francisco Message-ID: <20000207094716.6823.qmail@web1505.mail.yahoo.com>
Caught the DT show tonite at maritime hall. and for the past hour and a half I've been tryingto come up with a single word to describe it and no one can seem to suffice. As every body knows already is they open with the entire sfam album, what I couldn't have possibly immagined was that they would supass the expectations of not only myself but anybody else I talked to after. First off James Labrie, how any vocalist can go from flawless to astonishing is quite simply that! Jordan Rudess showed why he IS THE MAN. I was floored by his solo not only a top notch preformer but a showman as well. John Patrucci proved everyone who has been complaining about his exclusion from that 100 greatest guitarist list 1000% correct and for mike and John Myung I'll say this I've seen Rush and their rythm section (we all know who I'm talking about) and I have never seem those guys any where near as tight! an absolutly amazing show where the guys just didn't miss! probably the most flawless show I've seen in at least a decade and I've seen several hundered! If you havn't got tickets, sell the TV, the car or a kidney or all three if you want merch it's all well worht it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 02:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Cancelled show! - In defense of Hollywood Palace Message-ID: <20000207100724.3948.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>
In the last Ytsejam, Dmitri ranted thusly: > How can you over sell a show! Are they morons?!!
Hmm. I think a post was just placed earlier which enclosed a reply from people at the venue, claming the show was not over-sold at all. But from my own experience, it was pretty damn crowded in there. People were being moved off of hallways and stairwells, and it was tough to find a place on the floor where we could actually see the band play. The balcony was packed full.
I seriously doubt these people are morons. They want happy customers and continued business.
So I guess my first question is, were you actually there? You weren't, were you? I was. I flew from Portland (Oregon) to Los Angeles to see them play, and it was awesome. I wasn't pissed off, and neither were more than half of the people we ran into, outside the venue, after we were being steered outside.
For your information, the band got a loud CHEER and constant applause when the house P.A. was finally shut off during "Spirit Carries On", and they did their best to valiantly play on in the face of adversity. Kudos to Mike for singing and keeping the music going anyway.
> I have been reading these posts on this list and from other people, and man > that's a fuckin drag! Why would anyone oversell a venue? Answer: Cause they
> are greedy, and the more money the better!
See above. Purposely overselling a venue is a short-term gain which has long-term consequences. They run the risk of not only shutting down one event, but if the fire marshal finds that they purposely created unsafe conditions (which I doubt they did), they could be shut down permanently.
What this means is that it'll be *that* much harder for any band -- not just Dream Theater -- to play in Hollywood next time around. There is a fixed number of venues in the area, and that determines to gets to play and when. Think about that. The Palace isn't in the business of running themselves out of business.
There is a reason that buildings (and clubs) have a "Maximum Occupancy Limit" posted inside the facility. If there were an emergency (fire, riot, or whatever) and people needed to evacuate quickly, I doubt we could have left the floor in time. More people would have been injured.
> I feel sorry for the people who went to go see a great concert, and were > robbed of it. It's not the fans, but it's DT as well. They didn't want to > cut the show short! It's really not the fire marshalls fault, but that of > the venue. I don't know the whole story, but I would say that the fans, and
> the band got it up the ass.
I wasn't robbed. I willingly paid to see Dixie Dregs and Dream Theater, and I enjoyed the show immensely. It was a real treat to see Metropolis 2 performed live, and even though we didn't get to hear "Finally Free" or any encores, it was still awesome. The band might have been shafted from the deal, but I sure didn't find anything odd near my nether regions.
Perhaps you should reconsider (1) the facts, and (2) possible reasons for shutting down a venue.
> The fans and DT were both screwed. I bet that DT plays again there and > makes sure the place isn't oversold. Hopefully the rest of the tour isn't > like that. I tell you what, if they over sell the Chicago show and cut it > short, I really don't think the people here are going to tolerate it. Fuck > the venue and the people in charge.
I hope DT's next experience there (or anywhere) doesn't get oversold either. But that kind of attitude is what made the police in riot gear necessary.
Come on. This is a concert, not a life and death matter. All of us at the first Palace concert got to see them play, and it was wonderful. It doesn't need to be the source of violence or other drastic measures. If nobody else had to breathe in tear gas at a concert, this world would be just a bit better.
> Who wants to go to any concert and see it cut short. If there is anyway to > screw this venue over, I hope it's done. I hope no band plays there ever.
Burn it to the ground, right? Torch the fucking place, will that fix it?
> It would be great if a band said that there is no way they are going to > play at this venue becaue of what happened. It.should teach them a lesson, > hopefully.
And I'm sure stalking the families and children of the promoters and venue owners would be a perfectly acceptable method of "teaching them a lesson", wouldn't it?
I realize you're upset at this, but remember you weren't even there. You shouldn't be fighting this battle for us. Hopefully your show goes more smoothly than mine did. There isn't anything you (or anyone) can do to change the past.
Sorry for the rant.
===== -- Matthew A. Schnoor -- mschnoor@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:36:47 +0100 From: "Marc Fascia" <mfascia@infogrames.fr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Yes tour and DT Message-ID: <008f01bf7157$3bfbbbb0$9b05420a@lyon.infogrames.loc>
Hello,
does someone know if DT is the opener for the Yes european tour ? If so, I'll probably attend to the show in Paris (28/02/2000) ... DT and Yes the same evening ... Wow !!!
thank you.
Marc
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Date: 7 Feb 2000 11:58:49 -0000 From: "mr. case" <wintermute@section-9.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: hundred best guitarist Message-ID: <20000207115849.22719.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>25 years. That's a lot of experience. A "trained >ear" would be the ear of someone who is taught/coerced >to listen to things in only certain ways and look for >only certain things. Much like a "trained dog." This >isn't an insult here, just an observation.
bad anology..if i were to run with your comparison i would say something like, "a trained dog is definately more addept than an untrained dog".. training constitutes understanding.. arguing "best guitarists ever", has to be argued from a place of understanding otherwise everyone give it up Green Day, because Billy Joe Armstrong "plays with such feeling" (can you see how this tends to be futile?)
>>screw continuity, screw resolution, screw everything >>else. If a guitarist successfully projects the >>emotion he is trying to project, he has done his job. >>Emotion in music is not dictated by notes, but by the >>process in which a thought BECOMES a note...
yes..well under those conditions billy corgan is a mastermind, and all would bow before the altar of smashing pumpkins.. however, the thread this spawned from was "100 best guitarists of all time".. i don't feel that judging a guitarist by his thought process is a very good way of measuring the worlds 100 best guitarists of all time..
emotion's are too personal to take into account trying to determine who's "better".. when i ride the subway ever day there's this bum who sits there and plays a beat up old nylon string piece of shit that's totally out of tune and missing half it's stings, and the guy sings like a cow. i personally think the dirty bastard expresses so much more emotion that hammett will ever be albe to, so emotional comparison's are useless
inferno NP: ringing in my ears (just got back from the DT show)
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