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Today's Topics:

  1) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5296
 by dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
  2) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5296
 by dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
  3) Kirk Hamster, blood, piss, and vinegar.
 by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
  4) 1st LA show
 by "James Garrett" <james.garrett@tekelec.com>
  5) MIME messages ...
 by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
  6) Re: KNAC and KROQ
 by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
  7) Re: Jordan makes me go wee wee
 by Babyfr10@aol.com
  8) Re: Wrestling and DT
 by Fett2002@aol.com
  9) Re: Musical Laws
 by Fett2002@aol.com
 10) Re: Chicago/St. Louis
 by "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
 11) Re: LA Shows...
 by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
 12) Hailing all folks going to the Chicago Show.
 by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
 13) For Sale: 2 Tickets for Minneapolis Show
 by Jeff Stewart <remo@wavetech.net>
 14) DT on Mancow or vice versa.
 by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
 15) Can I mow your lawn?
 by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
 16) Cancelled Show Bootlegs
 by MaxArbot@aol.com
 17) Woohoo! Tickets are BOUGHT
 by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5296
 by "Carl J. Stawicki" <cjays@macol.net>
 19) Re: For Sale: 2 Tickets for Minneapolis Show
 by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
 20) Re: Can I mow your lawn?
 by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
 21) RE: unsub "attempt"
 by David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
 22) Eckie's tripple-breasted Ford Unicorn
 by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
 23) Overselling venue
 by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
 24) Re: Overselling venue
 by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
 25) Atlanta show DT gathering
 by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
 26) Wolverine
 by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
 27) Caca
 by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
 28)
 by "Stamatis Perdikouris" <stamos_jelly_pnr@hotmail.com>
 29) How to totally ruin a Dream Theater song
 by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 0:37:17 +0100
From: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5296
Message-ID: <TFSMOPAH@tetrapak.com>

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 0:37:18 +0100
From: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: dclund0.maillogging@tetrapak.com
Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5296
Message-ID: <TFSMOPAP@tetrapak.com>

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:28:30 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Kirk Hamster, blood, piss, and vinegar.
Message-ID: <389F551E.2FD14E49@imap1.asu.edu>

Alright, my opinion is the dude has shown he can play, he probably got
neo-classical shred burn out during AJFA or the tour of that album,
(can't blame him, remember how many people poofed up their hair and went
tap crazy back then), and like all artistic-minded artists (see also,
redundant terms) he went onto other things, mainly...

slide guitar + his cherished wah wah pedal. But this slide wah stuff is
just soooooooo uninspiring for me and like minded individuals, thus
generating the "HE SUCKS!" comments and tagging "kick me!" signs on the
back of him whenever we walk past him in the middle of LA.

You could relate it to the era switching from classicism and renaissance
thinking to modernism and post classicism in art and painting,
actually. When all these artists like Picasso and Brach came out with
these new cubist and futurist ideas, their contemporaries (mainly
bourgeois and politicians) were calling it degenerative and a childish
regression of human thought. And then Hitler began kicking artists out
of Nazi Europe.

So nowadays we have bands like Red Hot Chile Peppers and Metallica
producing music that a lot of people don't like, a lot of other people
don't understand but try to enjoy it, and a lot of people who could care
less about it. They suck they rule, blah blah blah!

What do you listen to music for? Dancing? Sulking? Getting the
creative juices flowing while you're hunched over a drafting table in an
architecture studio? Masturbating to childrens' Bibles?

The defense rests, you Honor!

~The Artist formerly known as >8^O

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:12:19 -0800
From: "James Garrett" <james.garrett@tekelec.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 1st LA show
Message-ID: <8825687F.00004A6D.00@domino1.ca.tekelec.com>

Hi,

Let first say that DT were at their best Friday night. I only wish that I could
have seen the entire concert. I just read Paul Evans' post--he must have been
on the dance floor the whole time.

"But given that situation, my
question is, why not just ask some of the crowd to go upstairs? I'm sure
most people would rather do that than have the show stopped..."

I was upstairs and was told to go downstairs because there weren't any seats
left upstairs. This happened at the end of the Dregs set(of which I got to see
one song). It was standing room only up there. It wasn't unitl the fire marshall
got there that the staff cared whether we were standing or not. At any rate, my
friend and I made it downstairs. After about a half hour of DT's set, my
friend(not a DT fan) went to the outside bar to get both of us some drinks. When
he tried to get back, they wouldn't let him on the floor or upstairs. In my
opinion, the venue overbooked the show. Maybe they let in the legal capacity of
the building(including the lobby and bars), but the area from which we could
view the show was clearly overcrowded.

BTW Did anybody notice the fire marshall taking pictures from the top of the
stairway?

Hopefully DT will return to LA for a second leg of this tour.

Cheers,

James

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:22:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MIME messages ...
Message-ID: <14495.25026.349545.616660@optical.mindstorm.com>

Just a reminder to everyone. MIME encoded messages are not allowed on
the Ytsejam. I have a filter in place to block these from ever
getting to the list. If you don't see your posts on the jam, please
make sure you have MIME encoding (HTML formatting/etc) OFF before
sending mail to the jam. I have seen about 10 rejections in the last
few days, so I thought I would remind everyone :)

Skadz

-- 
Ryan Skadberg          | "there's a space beside us
Ytsejam Moderator      |     and there's miles between us
skadz@dreamt.org       |  and all around us
http://www.dreamt.org/ |     grows this shade of gray"
                       | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:24:51 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: KNAC and KROQ
Message-ID: <389F6253.A168F93D@ucla.edu>
> KNAC went off the air in 1993 or so
        Wow, I made a good call saying I remember being in junior high
when KNAC went off the air.  Even though I mainly listened to KIIS
staples like Madonna and George Michael and in the 80's, I have fond
memories of listening to Pirate Radio in day care (in 5th grade!)
        Although I really hate what KROQ has turned into, I can't hate
the station too much; after it, I discovered Stabbing Westward, Nine
Inch Nails and Tool by listening to KROQ.
~~Amanda
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:28:43 EST
From: Babyfr10@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Jordan makes me go wee wee
Message-ID: <e0.f6fdac.25d0bd3b@aol.com>
LOL!!! the expressions people come up with to describe how they feel about music...Anyways, hi all! I'm a new subscriber to the jam and kind of a new DT fan.  I have to give all my thanks to my boyfriend for opening up these musical doors for me.  Although I can't exactly say that Jordan makes me go "wee wee" :-)I'd have to agree that he is the best keyboard player alive.  Being a classical pianist I swore that I would never like anything that wasn't played on a grand.  IMO, keyboards were an untalented players' attempt to cover up bad technique and undeveloped interpretational skills.  However, a few listens to Rudess Morgenstein project and I was sold.  A while later when Jordan joined the band I became and instant DT fan.  Jordan is an amazing pianist and keyboardist and he is such an asset to the band.  Let the man be cocky! He's heads and tails above any pianist I've heard !  I can't wait for the Milwaukee and Chicago shows so I can witness the genious in action!!!
                       hope to see some of you there!
                             Sarah
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:30:27 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Wrestling and DT
Message-ID: <7f.611c95.25d0bda3@aol.com>
<< I wouldn't be suprosed if there are at least a few people who go to that 
show just to see Jericho. >>
>What a damn shame.
>[eriC]
Yeah it is. But if it converts just one of those people to being a DT fan 
then its cool I think. Just as long as someone who went to see DT didn't lose 
out on a ticket because of it.
                -Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:32:06 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Musical Laws
Message-ID: <aa.103883d.25d0be06@aol.com>
>Music has "guidelines". Don't let this scare you. All it means is that
>certain things can be done which yield the same results everytime. Science
>calls these "laws". I only call them guidelines because one doesn't have to
>follow them in the sense that one has to play a C# instead of a C natural
>when playing a song that is in the key of A major. You can play anything you
>want. It depends upon the sound that you want. With the example of playing a
>C natural in a song that's in the key of A major, if you want the music to
>sound bluesy or jazzy, there are ways to insert this note. If you don't want
>the music to sound bluesy/jazzy, don't play the note. This is a guideline,
>law......call it whatever you want.
OK, gotcha. From this standpoint it makes complete sense. I wasn't thinking 
of "laws" in that manner.I understand what ya meant now.
                                            -Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:41:25 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Chicago/St. Louis
Message-ID: <94996869401@mail.socket.net>
Hey, I'm definitely going to be at both the Chicago and St. Louis DT 
shows, so if anyone is going, e-mail me or something or I'll have to 
search you out and kick your ass for not saying hey (I know who 
you are :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:17:36 -0500
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: LA Shows...
Message-ID: <389F8AD0.C48899B3@yunque.net>
Paul Evans wrote:
> As a side note, anyone else at both LA shows - did you notice how much
> better the Dregs were the second night?  I was really disappointed with them
> on Friday - especially the keyboard player - his keys sounded out of tune
> half the time.
How can keyboards be out of tune? (honest question here)
>
>
> Back to DT.  I wonder who came up with the light show - it was one of the
> best I've ever seen...
>
> Okay, back to work...
>
> Paul
I hate you all , as im probably not going to be able to fly to boston as planned
! :(
:p~
--
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back.
Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind.
          Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
    mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:27:03 -0600
From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Cc: <chicagoshow@klindt.org>
Subject: Hailing all folks going to the Chicago Show.
Message-ID: <001301bf71e4$5eb29fb0$3464a8c0@klindt.org>
Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes here.  I haven't seen any organized effort
to get together before the gig so I thought I'd send out a reminder.  I
talked to Chris Ptacek earlier about getting together and he had a couple of
ideas.
If we wanted we could get together at the Rock Bottom Brewery like the
Minneapolis crowd.  It's right downtown and the L train (the red route) that
runs by the Riveria stops right outside of it.  Plus it's really close to
the hotel I'm staying in.  If anyone's interested or has any better ideas,
let me know.  I'll keep a list of all the folks that are interested.  If
things are going well, you should be able to email us all at
mailto:chicagoshow@klindt.org.
thanks for your time,
tk
Todd O. Klindt, MCSE
todd@klindt.org
"Remember, the government doesn't create one dollar.
When you get a dollar, that means the government
took it from someone else."
-Governor Jesse Ventura
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:19:32 -0600
From: Jeff Stewart <remo@wavetech.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: For Sale: 2 Tickets for Minneapolis Show
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000207221932.007d42d0@wavetech.net>
I have 2 tickets available for the Friday Night Feb. 11 Dream Theater show
at the State Theatre in Minneapolis.  I was able to get better seats so I
now have this extra pair.  They are located on the Main Floor, Section 1,
Row U, Seats 13 & 14.  Face value with all Ticketbastard fees is $75.  I
will take $50 for them.  First come, first served...
Please email me at jstewart@gearworks.com if interested.  
Thanks!
Jeff Stewart
jstewart@gearworks.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:51:53 EST
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT on Mancow or vice versa.
Message-ID: <16.fa603f.25d0fae9@aol.com>
Hey, 
    Living in Chicagoland, I listen to Mancow every morning to get me going.  
In case you don't know, he has a big morning talk show syndicated around the 
US.  He talks a lot about sex & politics.  He mentioned that he was going to 
talk about his new favorite wrestler, Chris Jericho.  I'm not a big fan of 
Jericho's except that he is a huge DT fan.  By the way, I never, evvvvver 
miss an episode of WWF.
    Well, Mancow preceded to explain the whole Palace show in LA.  He may 
have exaggerated the facts, as he often does, but he ended his show with this 
story.  He mentioned the new album and said it was great.  He explained a 
little about the band.  He explained how they hit it big a few years ago with 
Pull Me Under.
    It was really great to hear a 5-7 minute segment about DT on the radio.  
He has never mentioned them before but I went nuts when he was explaining the 
situation.  It was also the first time I had heard about the incident in LA.  
It is nice to know that the millions-----and millions (big wrestling plug) of 
people tuned into Mancow just before he went off the air talking about our 
boys.
    Well, that was my excitement for the day.  See ya at the show Sunday-if 
you are going.
See ya,
Todd
"I sit down with, my son Set to see the Crimson Sunset>"
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:53:05 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Can I mow your lawn?
Message-ID: <004701bf71f0$69c4d420$3b0d84d0@default>
Greg Kristianson, bass player for Testament, spake:
> appreciate any help from locals getting to and from the show. I will
> certainly help with gas, food, whatever. I'm from western Canada, a place
C'mon!  What the Hell is the matter with all of you?!?!?  He's a clean kid!
Why won't you just let him take a RIDE in you GODDAMN CAR!  What?  You
afraid he's not housebroken?!?!?  He's a clean kid, DAMMIT!
>have nowhere to stay.  If anyone has a place I could crash I'd really
Oh, for the love of!...  You've already let him in you car, now why can't
you just GIVE him a place to SLEEP!  Jesus Christ!  He doesn't need much
room!  Just shove a bed in the damn corner and you won't HEAR from him all
DAMN NIGHT!  He's a good boy, he'll change the sheets!  Damn, he'll even
bring his OWN sheets, for cryin' out loud!
>boils down to is I'm kind of lonely.  Do you have and daughters maybe? I
I won't even go there...
--
KorgX3 kicks Chris Farley's corpse.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:14:49 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Cancelled Show Bootlegs
Message-ID: <bd.ec7787.25d10049@aol.com>
I would do a variety of degrading things if I could snag a copy of the show 
that was shut down at the Palace Theater in LA.  If anyone has boots to that 
show, you know how to find me.  (look at the top)
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:18:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, themirror@egroups.com
Subject: Woohoo!  Tickets are BOUGHT
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002080017520.49134-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
My friend Kenn just bought tickets to the Boston show today!  Woohoo!
Anybody else going to this show, and would you like to meet up at some
point?  I think we're going to try going to the Meet the Band thing at
Daddy's Junky Music earlier that day, too.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
-------------------------------------------------
If Helen Keller were psychic, would we say that
she had a fourth sense?
-------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:06:15 +0000
From: "Carl J. Stawicki" <cjays@macol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5296
Message-ID: <389F6C07.2EF5EC49@macol.net>
Dear Fuckers,
I demand that you take my fuckin' name of this fuckin' list.
This is my second attempt to make this fuckin' happen
It's fuckin' assholes like you that contaminate the whole idea behind
the relevance of email and the internet with your fuckin' spam.
Fuck you.
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:27:07 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: 2 Tickets for Minneapolis Show
Message-ID: <389FB73B.372DF1CF@wezl.org>
I would pray to god (whatever god there is...or serious lack
thereof...whatever you believe) that noone would purchase tickets for
ANY show at this absolutely ridiculous price! For the love of christ who
pays ticketbastard $75 for fucking DT tickets...once again, just call me
"Ytse-hood" 
Jeff Stewart wrote:
> 
> I have 2 tickets available for the Friday Night Feb. 11 Dream Theater show
> at the State Theatre in Minneapolis.  I was able to get better seats so I
> now have this extra pair.  They are located on the Main Floor, Section 1,
> Row U, Seats 13 & 14.  Face value with all Ticketbastard fees is $75.  I
> will take $50 for them.  First come, first served...
> 
> Please email me at jstewart@gearworks.com if interested.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Stewart
> jstewart@gearworks.com
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:30:58 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Can I mow your lawn?
Message-ID: <389FB822.B16EB552@wezl.org>
And don't forget...he can wipe his own ass too
Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> 
> Greg Kristianson, bass player for Testament, spake:
> > appreciate any help from locals getting to and from the show. I will
> > certainly help with gas, food, whatever. I'm from western Canada, a place
> 
> C'mon!  What the Hell is the matter with all of you?!?!?  He's a clean kid!
> Why won't you just let him take a RIDE in you GODDAMN CAR!  What?  You
> afraid he's not housebroken?!?!?  He's a clean kid, DAMMIT!
> 
> >have nowhere to stay.  If anyone has a place I could crash I'd really
> 
> Oh, for the love of!...  You've already let him in you car, now why can't
> you just GIVE him a place to SLEEP!  Jesus Christ!  He doesn't need much
> room!  Just shove a bed in the damn corner and you won't HEAR from him all
> DAMN NIGHT!  He's a good boy, he'll change the sheets!  Damn, he'll even
> bring his OWN sheets, for cryin' out loud!
> 
> >boils down to is I'm kind of lonely.  Do you have and daughters maybe? I
> 
> I won't even go there...
> --
> KorgX3 kicks Chris Farley's corpse.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:34:38 -0700 
From: David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: unsub "attempt"
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117B15@MESSAGING>
> Dear Fuckers,
> I demand that you take my fuckin' name of this fuckin' list.
> This is my second attempt to make this fuckin' happen
> It's fuckin' assholes like you that contaminate the whole idea behind
> the relevance of email and the internet with your fuckin' spam.
> Fuck you.
SPAM?  Did you mean SFaM?
Send an email to ytsejam-request@torchsong.com with the subject "asdf", with
the message body "unsubscribe ytsejam <TYPE YOUR REAL NAME HERE>" (type your
real name instead of the shit in the brackets) Or, maybe send an email to
fuck@fuck.com with the subject "fuck" and the message body "fuck".  That'll
teach 'em.
Good Lord.
David
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:58:12 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Eckie's tripple-breasted Ford Unicorn
Message-ID: <389FCC94.4F406328@isd.net>
Eckie (AKA: The Mambo King) wrote:
>Don't belittle my people you bastard!  Pretty soon...WE'LL ALL BE back
>breasted males!  I'm also in a good paying medical program, just think:
>a genetic mutation for live cultivated breast implants.  $3000 per boob
>on this back. :)  I am God's gift to small chested women!
At a modest $3,000 a boob, I'd be willing to discuss getting my conversion
van reupholstered...  Shit, I'd start looking forward to roll-over collisions.
Greg Kristianson wrote:
>certainly help with gas, food, whatever. I'm from western Canada, a place
>where DT gigs are about as frequent as Unicorn sightings. This is a once
I fear Eckie has some shit that could help you improve the frequency
of those Unicorn sightings...
--
Al -  The Ytse-ProGtologist
                           ^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of
that comes from bad judgment"  --Will Rogers
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 100 00:05:56 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Overselling  venue
Message-ID: <200002080805.AA22523@crl.crl.com>
Matt Schnoor wrote:
>> How can you over sell a show! Are they morons?!!
>Hmm.  I think a post was just placed earlier which enclosed a reply
>from
>people at the venue, claming the show was not over-sold at all.  But
>from my
>own experience, it was pretty damn crowded in there.  People were
>being moved
>off of hallways and stairwells, and it was tough to find a place on
>the floor
>where we could actually see the band play.  The balcony was packed
>full.
>I seriously doubt these people are morons.  They want happy customers
>and continued business.
THe venue is probably telling the truth when they say that c. 950
tickets were SOLD for the show.     Note the emphasis.  The DT show
was the same weekend as the NAMM Convention, and it is standard
industry practice to give away many, many complimentary passes to
shows that occur during industry events (I've seen it here before,
with the Gavin Convention and with NAMM).
The fault may not lie with the venue at all, but with the
promoter......but in any case, someone was dangerously negligent in
allowing too many people into the venue.
>I flew from Portland (Oregon) to Los Angeles to see them play,
>and it was awesome.  I wasn't pissed off, and neither were more than
>half of the people we ran into, outside the venue, after we were being steered
>outside.
You're a finer man than me, Matt.....   I'd have been pretty upset if
I'd flown that far to see only half a show; a partial refund at the
very least is due the entire audience -- whether it's from the venue
or the promoter would be a legal issue, the fact is, SOMEONE was
criminally negligent.  
>See above.  Purposely overselling a venue is a short-term gain which has
>long-term consequences.  They run the risk of not only shutting down one
>event, but if the fire marshal finds that they purposely created unsafe
>conditions (which I doubt they did), they could be shut down permanently.
If the venue contained an audience above fire-capacity, which
apparently it did (you stated yourself that it was awfully crowded),
then someone created unsafe conditions.  You're correct in that the
venue stands to lose a lot for this (their email implied that they
might have already caught some hell) -- personally I suspect it was
the promoter and all those freebie NAMM passes.
>I wasn't robbed.  I willingly paid to see Dixie Dregs and Dream Theater, and
>I enjoyed the show immensely.  It was a real treat to see Metropolis 2
>performed live, and even though we didn't get to hear "Finally Free"
>or any encores, it was still awesome. 
--But certainly anyone who paid full price for a full-length show
would be entitled to feel somewhat robbed.  After all, they paid for
a full experience and didn't receive it.  This part seems pretty
straightforward, regardless of your personal feelings in the matter.
(I'd have been pretty angry myself, not to the point of damaging
anything, but definitely annoyed...and most people I know would have
been annoyed as well.)
As a veteran of the infamous Birch Hell Xmas show in Old Bridge NJ, I
regard ANY overselling of a venue as a monstrous act.  If reports were
accurate, THAT show saw c. 2,000 tickets sold for a club that can hold
perhaps 800 max.   I was on the floor and it was so packed you
couldn't breathe without using your arms and elbows to "clear a space"
around your chest and diaphragm.  I eventually went to the back, where
at least you could breathe -- shutting THAT show down would have been
a mercy, and in that case the venue would have been the responsible
party.   Reason notwithstanding, THEY'RE still in business, too.....
--
+ Paul W. Cashman  vanyel@crl.com  www.crl.com/~vanyel  ICQ #4151223+
| Rush * Robert Jordan *  Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings  |
| James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead   |
| Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric  Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:26:09 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Overselling  venue
Message-ID: <200002080826.AAA11648@gms.gmsnet.com>
Let me put this issue to rest by saying that in the last 30 years,
Hollywood clubs have rarely sold out because of the fact that they will
pack the damn venue till people are hanging off the rafters and the only
time they break up such gatherings are because they themselves call the
fire marshall...
When Fear Factory sold out the House of Blues, I was stunned, but on the
monitors I could see that the mosh pit was packed so tight it literally
looked like a sea of people...
-The Doc
-- 
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 100 00:49:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Atlanta show DT gathering
Message-ID: <200002080849.AA22824@crl.crl.com>
Just a reminder that I'm assembling a list of people who are attending
the show from as far as Louisiana, from the Ytsejam Mailing List, the
Mikeportnoy.com forum, and the Perpetual Motion prog-metal web-board.
The page is at www.crl.com/~vanyel/dt-atl2k.html ......
Please email me and let me know if you're planning to attend and
aren't listed yet.  Those who are already listed, if you know what
you'll be wearing, etc., drop me a line.   
-- 
+ Paul W. Cashman  vanyel@crl.com  www.crl.com/~vanyel  ICQ #4151223+
| Rush * Robert Jordan *  Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings  |
| James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead   |
| Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric  Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 100 00:46:03 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Wolverine
Message-ID: <200002080846.AA22784@crl.crl.com>
That guy from Wolverine wrote:
>Hello everyone!
>I would just like to inform you that the band I play in, Wolverine, has
>three complete songs over at mp3.com. We play a very
>melodic/progressive
>metal and we would love it if you followed the link and checked these
>three songs out. They are taken from our debut-CD, called "Fervent Dream".
>Thank you and take care!
I heard, and almost saw, this band at the ProgPower Festival in Tilburg, 
The Netherlands.   "Almost" because they were the first band to play on
either stage, and they drew a big crowd into the room with the smaller
stage, so we had to be content with standing in the back just outside
the door and listening.   They sounded excellent and I bought the
Fervent Dream EP, which is quite good.  There are some death-metal
style vocals, but the music makes it easy to overlook them (if you're
one of those who has to :)).
Good way to start off the day at ProgPower, too.  :)
My page of commentary and photos from the festival is at 
www.crl.com/~vanyel/images/progpowr/
-- 
+ Paul W. Cashman  vanyel@crl.com  www.crl.com/~vanyel  ICQ #4151223+
| Rush * Robert Jordan *  Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings  |
| James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead   |
| Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric  Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 03:03:52 -0600
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Caca
Message-ID: <389FDBF8.D7A3AAF6@earthlink.net>
Okay. Can someone tell me the proper way to pronounce Jordan's names?
Down here in the land of cotton, the name Jordan is usually pronounced
"JUR-dun" but I would like to know how people who can actually speak
English would say it. And is his last name "RU-dess" or "ru-DESS". My
feeble, inquiring mind would like to know. Thanks in advance, btw.
I'll try again - is there some sort of pre-show gathering in the works
for the West Palm beach show on March 5?
> d-man's back.  here comes the neighborhood.
You've been missed, buddy. Welcome back!
Al and KorgX3 wrote:
> >It's me again, Margaret!
> 
> LOL!  I wonder how many people here don't even suspect
> the significance of that statement...  Let alone know.  :)
> 
> RS rulez!
I bet you can't guess what IIIIII'm doin'!!!
NP: "The Ballad of the Blue Cyclone" - RS
Take care,
Mark Peters
epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:01:40 EET
From: "Stamatis Perdikouris" <stamos_jelly_pnr@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <20000208100140.85861.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 03:32:07 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: How to totally ruin a Dream Theater song
Message-ID: <389FF0A7.2D07500E@imap1.asu.edu>
One of my classmates pointed this out to me at 4 am in the wee hours of
the Arizona morning, and it sounded so damn close I thought I'd share
this horrible act of comparison to those who wish to read it.
Ready? 
*skip this part if you wish to keep that song in a sacred viewpoint*
..........
The melody line in "Beyond This Life," to "All that we learned this
time, is carried beyond this life" sounds eerily close to that Blink 182
melody, "I'm sleeping with no clothes ooooooon, and blah blah blah blah
blah blaaaaaaaaaaaah!"
..........
Or it could just be the sleep deprivation kicking in.  With his good
friend Mr. Flu!
~Eckie thinks he just sacrificed his own soul to the wrath of the
Ytsejam, but it won't matter, this flu will kill him in his sleep before
the nukes hit
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