YTSEJAM Digest 5298
Today's Topics:
1) Do you really want to hurt me...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
2) Re: Do you really want to hurt me...
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
3) Re: Jordan makes me go wee wee
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Re: Caca
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
5) New Haven and Boston Shows
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
7)
by rdpc <radpoco@midwest.net>
8) Re:
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
10) DT show in Cincinnati, Feb 15
by "Skelley, Jon" <JSkelley@OhioMasonicHome.org>
11) Re: Wolverine
by "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
by Aaron Griffith <sgriffi@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
14) Dead People
by Fett2002@aol.com
15) Morons
by Fett2002@aol.com
16) Re: 1st LA Show
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
17) RE: Overselling venue
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
18) Keyboards out of tune?
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
19) Re: Overselling venue
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
20)
by dav w <dav_metropolis@yahoo.com>
21) froak
by "mr. case" <wintermute@section-9.com>
22) Mormons, Back-Breasts and other stuff
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
23) Midwest Fans
by "UsWest" <davegrimm@uswest.net>
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 05:42:07 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Do you really want to hurt me...
Message-ID: <38A0010F.EFFCCD65@isd.net>
Carl J. Stawicki wrote: (I'd pay to hear Elmer Fudd say that name just o=
nce..)
>Dear Fuckers,
Oh THAT was brilliant!
>I demand that you take my fuckin' name of this fuckin' list.
Only if you pound 4 large boxes of Uncle Bens =AE converted rice
up your moist hole-of-continuos-penile-traffic... blah blah blah..
>This is my second attempt to make this fuckin' happen
Click your heals three times and repeat: <Look for the instructions
at the same place you found this list in the first place> Hint: UACM
>It's fuckin' assholes like you that contaminate the whole idea behind
Yeah! It's mental midgets like you that contaminate the gene pool.
>the relevance of email and the internet with your fuckin' spam.
Spam?
Spam?
Nah... I like the dead parrot sketch better. :)
>Fuck you.
Dude, that is so harsh... (Carl's not been himself since his Emerson VCR
ate his beloved Culture Club video)
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of
that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:49:00 +1100
From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Do you really want to hurt me...
Message-ID: <002301bf722a$7ed2cb80$5352868b@user>
Man you guys really crack me up!!!
I love this list, who in their right mind would ever want to leave???
LMAO
Later...
Paul
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>
> Carl J. Stawicki wrote: (I'd pay to hear Elmer Fudd say that name just o=
> nce..)
>
> >Dear Fuckers,
>
> Oh THAT was brilliant!
>
> >I demand that you take my fuckin' name of this fuckin' list.
>
> Only if you pound 4 large boxes of Uncle Bens =AE converted rice
> up your moist hole-of-continuos-penile-traffic... blah blah blah..
>
> >This is my second attempt to make this fuckin' happen
>
> Click your heals three times and repeat: <Look for the instructions
> at the same place you found this list in the first place> Hint: UACM
>
> >It's fuckin' assholes like you that contaminate the whole idea behind
>
> Yeah! It's mental midgets like you that contaminate the gene pool.
>
> >the relevance of email and the internet with your fuckin' spam.
>
> Spam?
>
>
>
> Spam?
>
>
> Nah... I like the dead parrot sketch better. :)
>
> >Fuck you.
>
> Dude, that is so harsh... (Carl's not been himself since his Emerson VCR
> ate his beloved Culture Club video)
>
>
> --
> Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
> ^
> Switchcraft Microsystems
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of
> that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
>
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:11:34 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Jordan makes me go wee wee
Message-ID: <38A01606.F9FEE023@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Sarah wrote:
> Jordan is an amazing pianist and keyboardist and he is such an asset to the
> band. Let the man be cocky! He's heads and tails above any pianist I've heard !
Like the saying goes: It ain't bragging if you can back it up ;)
/Jon takes Ecksthrey by the back of neck, slams his maw down on the
Kurzweil and pours him a shot glass of the wee-wee patch
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:03:17 -0500
From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Caca
Message-ID: <004101bf723d$3f8cb220$b2589780@BLARGH>
> I'll try again - is there some sort of pre-show gathering in the works
> for the West Palm beach show on March 5?
Hey Mark,
I don't know anything about a pre-show gathering, but I do know that I will
be there with some friends having trekked from NY so if you find out about
anything going on, please let me know. The only people I know going are
yourself and Adam Pye. Do you know of anyone else?
BTW - I believe it's RU-dess. But what do I know!
Scott
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:14:27 -0500
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New Haven and Boston Shows
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000208091302.00a985e0@pop.ecosoft.com>
Who's planning on making the trek to the New Haven and Boston shows? How
bad is the General Admission for DT shows? I've been to seem them a few
times now but it was always seated.. I'm thinking a few hours ahead of time
is good for a nice place on the floor..
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 01:13:57 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
Message-ID: <38A024A4.990E8B1@alphalink.com.au>
> Okay. Can someone tell me the proper way to pronounce Jordan's names?
> Down here in the land of cotton, the name Jordan is usually pronounced
> "JUR-dun" but I would like to know how people who can actually speak
> English would say it. And is his last name "RU-dess" or "ru-DESS". My
> feeble, inquiring mind would like to know. Thanks in advance, btw.
Jordan is pronounced JOR - din. Listening to Mike on his home video Rudess
is just sort of unaccented - roodis or something.
Anyone notice how all the members of Dream Theater have cool names - Petrucci,
Portnoy, Rudess, Myung, LaBrie. Very exotic. Maybe thats why Kevin Moore left.
Probably Derek Sherinan's name was too good.
- Andrew Lawrence (what a boring silly name)
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:28:18 -0600
From: rdpc <radpoco@midwest.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000208082818.007c7100@midwest.net>
how do I unsubscribe to the ytsejam?
-Rad-
"You need only trust your feelings
Only love can steer you right"
Neil Peart
Visit my WebPage at: http://members.tripod.com/radweb
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:37:54 -0500
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000208093717.00a876b0@pop.ecosoft.com>
Drop of 19.95 in small unmarked coins at the corner of 5th and lexington..
come alone...
At 06:36 AM 2/8/00 -0800, you wrote:
>how do I unsubscribe to the ytsejam?
>
>-Rad-
>
>
>"You need only trust your feelings
>Only love can steer you right Neil Peart
>
>Visit my WebPage at: http://members.tripod.com/radweb
>
>ICQ- 9436041
>AIM- radpoco
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:43:58 -0400
From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
Message-ID: <001401bf7242$eeb04280$37351ec8@yunque.net>
> Jordan is pronounced JOR - din. Listening to Mike on his home video
Rudess
> is just sort of unaccented - roodis or something.
> Anyone notice how all the members of Dream Theater have cool names -
Petrucci,
> Portnoy, Rudess, Myung, LaBrie. Very exotic. Maybe thats why Kevin Moore
left.
> Probably Derek Sherinan's name was too good.
>
> - Andrew Lawrence (what a boring silly name)
>
Yeah ive noticed most good musicians have cool names :)
off the top of my head :
Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, of course the DT members, John Patitucci(sp?)
Chick Corea (hows that for a pimpin' name!) , Mark Zonder, theres tons of
cool europeans too... Mikael Akerfeldt (or god) , Dan Swano..Hell ..all the
guy's names in Meshuggah .. HEH
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:52:14 -0500
From: "Skelley, Jon" <JSkelley@OhioMasonicHome.org>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT show in Cincinnati, Feb 15
Message-ID: <B1D63EF2762DD311934C00105A0D676B168893@MAIL>
Anyone know if the band stays after for autographs/photos? I just sent my
membership app for the fan club. Cant wait for the Xmas CD!
Jon Skelley
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:38:51 CET
From: "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Wolverine
Message-ID: <20000208163852.11994.qmail@hotmail.com>
>They sounded excellent and I bought the Fervent Dream EP, which is >quite
>good. There are some death-metal style vocals, but the music >makes it
>easy to overlook them (if you're one of those who has >to :)).
Thank you for the kind words Paul! I'm glad you liked our performance but
even more sad of the fact that you had to stand outside the door... :-(
I know many people have a hard time accepting the deathvocals (or what you
prefer to call them) but I think one has to get used to the way they are
used. If you after all decide that you donj't like them maybe there is some
comfort in the fact that they will not appear that often on the next record.
>Good way to start off the day at ProgPower, too. :)
I must say the same. I enjoyed this day VERY much and there were a lot of
great bands there! Looking forward to go there next year!
Take care!
/Stefan
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 11:43:19 -0500
From: Aaron Griffith <sgriffi@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
Message-ID: <38A047A7.569AC356@student.berklee.edu>
Hi Andrew,
Yes, I'm going to the Boston Show and I'm going to be at daddys on Feb 27th. I go to Berklee College of Music. So, Daddys right here. So I'm definitely going. If you want to meet somewhere here that would be cool. It would be nice to meet someone form the list and chat with them face to face. So, you can email me and tell me what you were thinking.
Later,
Aaron
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 11:52:31 -0500
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5297
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000208115147.00a8e9c0@pop.ecosoft.com>
Heya andrew and aaron,
I'm gonan be going to the show and to daddys.. Anyone up for having a lil
meet n greet for ytsejammers beforehand at a bar/restaurant/etc ?
At 08:53 AM 2/8/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
> Yes, I'm going to the Boston Show and I'm going to be at daddys on
> Feb 27th. I go to Berklee College of Music. So, Daddys right here. So
> I'm definitely going. If you want to meet somewhere here that would be
> cool. It would be nice to meet someone form the list and chat with them
> face to face. So, you can email me and tell me what you were thinking.
>Later,
>Aaron
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:34:27 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dead People
Message-ID: <79.14b48c3.25d1ada3@aol.com>
>KorgX3 kicks Chris Farley's corpse.
Korg X3 has a damn strong leg if he can actually budge that thing even a
centimeter.
-Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:37:44 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Morons
Message-ID: <b0.1297d9f.25d1ae68@aol.com>
>Dear Fuckers,
>I demand that you take my fuckin' name of this fuckin' list.
>This is my second attempt to make this fuckin' happen
>It's fuckin' assholes like you that contaminate the whole idea behind
>the relevance of email and the internet with your fuckin' spam.
>Fuck you.
I say we all spam the hell out of this guy.
-Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:45:46 -0800
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: 1st LA Show
Message-ID: <003801bf725c$5446d870$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
James Garrett wrote:
>Let first say that DT were at their best Friday night. I only wish that I
could
>have seen the entire concert. I just read Paul Evans' post--he must have
been
>on the dance floor the whole time.
Yup, I was. And thanks for the rest of your info. I didn't ever look
behind me, my eyes were glued to the stage, and I didn't know that all that
happened upstairs. I was just assuming that the overcrowding of the floor
was the problem, since they limited access to it on Saturday... That really
sucks... So, who's fault was it? The Palace, or Ticket Bastard? We
already know Ticket Bastard sucks...
Yeah, they (DT) were just as hot Saturday. I wish you could have seen that
as well...
BTW, the cops and fire marshall were there Saturday night as well. Just
checking up, I guess.
Oh well. On with the show... Or cancellation thereof...
Paul
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:34:26 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Overselling venue
Message-ID: <003001bf725a$c6c22aa0$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Paul W. Cashman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:22 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Overselling venue
>
> THe venue is probably telling the truth when they say that c. 950
> tickets were SOLD for the show. Note the emphasis. The DT show
> was the same weekend as the NAMM Convention, and it is standard
> industry practice to give away many, many complimentary passes to
> shows that occur during industry events (I've seen it here before,
> with the Gavin Convention and with NAMM).
Well, from all the research I did, no passes were given out to NAMM
attendees. I'm sure some were given out to record company people and such,
but certainly not in a number that would so greatly swell the crowd that it
would cause the show to be shut down. Besides, Friday night was the big NAMM
"Millennium" concert, where most of the attendees were headed anyway.
Everything points to the club/promoter being greedy and overselling the
show. After attending the Saturday show, and seeing the "care" that the
staff of The Palace showed towards the crowd, I'm sure all the blame can be
placed at their doorstep. It certainly cannot be placed upon the band (as
some have suggested) or on the fans themselves (which I have seen suggested
in other places, and find this to be very odd).
I'm writing up a review of NAMM and the DT show for later posting, but I
will say now that I'm amazed that Saturday's show didn't get shut down. We
were in the balcony (after walking around for NAMM for three straight days
there was no way I was going to stand through a show), and before DT
started, all of the stairways and most of the aisles were packed with
people. This is, of course, a safety hazard, and is the sort of thing you'd
think the place would be looking out for after the events of the first
night. Making this worse was the fact that all the people standing around
were blocking the view of the people in the seats, and you have the
possibility of a very bad situation starting. People sitting around us went
down to complain to the management, who were told that "security" will deal
with it. To that point, the "security" staff that was patrolling the area
consisted of one very small woman who would not appear intimidating to a
house cat. Eventually, they sent another guy up, and first were making
people sit down in the aisles and stairways. Once DT started, they began
moving the people in the aisles somewhere (I have no idea where, except I
guess to the main floor). Most of the stairways around us were full of
people for the whole show.
In my experience, the average club owner is concerned with one thing and one
thing only: how much money they can make. Anything else, including the
comfort and safety of their patrons, is secondary. Yes, they won't try to
actually kill anyone at the show (though I think a lot of them would rather
kill bands than actually have to pay them), but if there's a way to get away
with something and pocket the cash, chances are they'll do it.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming
tools and more!
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:58:23 -0800
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Keyboards out of tune?
Message-ID: <003a01bf725e$178e0960$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>Paul Evans wrote:
>
>> As a side note, anyone else at both LA shows - did you notice how much
>> better the Dregs were the second night? I was really disappointed with
them
>> on Friday - especially the keyboard player - his keys sounded out of tune
>> half the time.
>
>How can keyboards be out of tune? (honest question here)
I don't know either, but honestly, that's how it sounded. I think he was
playing a Fender Rhodes when things sounded bad, but I wasn't paying close
attention to his gear... I do know that one instrument being slightly out
of tune can make even the tightest band sound sloppy, due to all the weird
harmonics and overtones clashing with each other...
Oh, and I forgot to mention, that the guy doing the mix for them should be
shot, cuz he fully screwed up a bunch of solos by not boosting the right guy
until halfway thru... He was much better Saturday as well, but still missed
a few beginnings of solos.
<snip>
>I hate you all , as im probably not going to be able to fly to boston as
planned
>! :(
>:p~
Man, do whatever you can to get there. And that goes for everyone else with
a shot at seeing this tour. You won't regret it...
Paul
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:54:25 -0600
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Overselling venue
Message-ID: <38A06661.2223ADEC@earthlink.net>
Paul Cashman wrote:
> As a veteran of the infamous Birch Hell Xmas show in Old Bridge NJ, I
> regard ANY overselling of a venue as a monstrous act. If reports were
> accurate, THAT show saw c. 2,000 tickets sold for a club that can hold
> perhaps 800 max. I was on the floor and it was so packed you
> couldn't breathe without using your arms and elbows to "clear a space"
> around your chest and diaphragm. I eventually went to the back, where
> at least you could breathe -- shutting THAT show down would have been
> a mercy, and in that case the venue would have been the responsible
> party.
A mercy? I don't know - NJ is a long drive from Atlanta. You'd have been
a little disappointed... :)
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means, I would highly recommend it to most anyone, if only for the
DirectX plugins available.
Take care,
Mark Peters
epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:32:25 -0800 (PST)
From: dav w <dav_metropolis@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <20000208183225.10323.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello All! I am new to this list- however not to
Dream theater at all. I wanted to share some thoughts
on the current discussion about whether or not a
guitarist should be deemed good or bad, but first- I
want to respond to some of greg's comments.
>You obviously only play a little guitar.
How can you possibly say this to someone? Beyond
being an extremely damaging thing to say to someone-
you have proved that you think you are better off
because you know music theory ( As a semi-long
tangent- Dominant 13ths can be particularly great
sounding on dominants like in the standard,
"invitation" during the B section. Also, 13ths are a
great way of coloring big band trumpet and trombone
writing on a held Dominant chord. For example, you
can spread the trombones so that they are fitted into
a drop 2 voicing of the Basic 4 note voicing, and make
the trumpets form the upper extensions of the chord by
using a 9th, 11th, and 13th, with the 4th trumpet
doubling the lead. It works particularly well when a
chord is held for a longer period of time.).
Back to the subject- Theory counts for nothing to
musicians like Cal Collins for example. Cal is a jazz
guitarist that learned COMEPLETLY by ear, and plays
better than a lot of other musicians can. Louis
Armstrong learned completly by ear as well, and led a
whole new movement and helped standardize (for lack of
a better term) a system of American Improvised music.
Jimi learned by ear too. Theory is a lot in music,
but it's not everything. Just because a person knows
it, doen't make them superior to anybody else, ever.
But back to the original argument; Can one type of
music (or guitarist) be superior to another, so much
that it/he/she can be ranked on a contest platform?
Nope.
Music is special to everyone in their own way, and to
rank it would be unfair, just like it is unfair to
rank guitarists, just like its unfair to shun another
guitarist just because they may or may not know their
theory (we always are in a state of learning new
stuff- greg, me, college professors, composers, and
everyone).
Any art is the same way. Just because we react to art
differently doesn't make it any better than any other
kind of art. Whether its a waterfall painting, or a
picture of a bowl of fruit, both give some sort of
electrical impulse to our brain, and then we decide if
we like it or not. Does that give us the right to say
that one is better than the other??? NO! Its the same
with music.
I honestly try very hard to appreciate a type of music
even if I don't like it. But if I try- who knows?
Maybe I will love it! Whether its Dream theater's
brand of Progressive Rock, Rodrigo's concerto de
aranjuez, john coltrane's recording of Giant steps,
Tori Amos's Album "little earthquakes," the latest
folk album from Dar Williams, the free jazz jam that I
just had the chance to attend, its all music to me! I
love a lot more of music as a result.
I definitly agree that music speaks to us in a rather
emotional way, because if it didn't- we wouldn't be
here discussing how we feel about a certain guitarist,
or musician! We all love the way petrucci plays, or
else We wouldn't be on this list!
LAstly- I want to bring up the instance involving
"blind Melon." At one point in their careers, they
were asked by a guitar magazine to do a review of
dreamtheater's "pull me under," amongst other current
singles. Thier thoughts on what DT plays would be
enough to anger anyone on this list, however john
Petrucci himself responded to that article. Don't
quote me on this because I don't have the transcript,
but Petrucci said basically to the effect of- we won't
ever put down any type of music just because we don't
like it (obviously in responce to blind melons carnal
hate of DT!). I think I owe myself to not be a snob
about music, and appreciate it as others may. I won't
ever rank any guitarist as being superior to another.
If someone out there digs a certain guitarist, then
that guitarist should be the #1 ranked guitarist of
all time and if not- then obviously they are mad, like
the Ytsejam community is about JP NOT being on the top
100 of all time at all. (And by the way- I wasn't
terribly happy that Petrucci was not on there- he's my
#1 fav of all time)
I guess we can be thankful that we aren't shot for our
opinions, because if we were- I'd be a dead man.
Sorry for writing a novel, but its been bugging me a
lot.
dav
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Date: 8 Feb 2000 19:52:43 -0000
From: "mr. case" <wintermute@section-9.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: froak
Message-ID: <20000208195243.19481.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>Alright, my opinion is the dude has shown he
>can play,
how so? he certainly has shown he can noodle around a fretboard..but "play"..no, not by any serious standards
>he probably got neo-classical shred burn out
>during AJFA or the tour of that album,
don't get me wrong..i don't think neo-classical shred is the appitomy of music, but it does take a lvl of comptance that mr. hammett does not possess.. you can hear him pushing his limits when he actually uses that 2 and 6 on the natural minor scale (in other words..he's a fuckin pentitonic boy to boot).. there's no way he could even begin to comprehend any usage of a melodic-minor or diminished scale (in other words..associating kirk hammett with neo-classical music is ludicrous)
>(can't blame him, remember how many people poofed
>up their hair and went tap crazy back then), and
>like all >artistic-minded artists (see also,
>redundant terms) he went onto other things, mainly...
whether or not he "looked" like a shred head at some point doesn't mean he was one..again i'm not holding shred up upon high, just recognizing that it takes some compitance to burn like Yngwie or Bellas
>slide guitar + his cherished wah wah pedal. But
>this slide wah stuff is just soooooooo uninspiring
>for me and like minded individuals, thus
>generating the "HE SUCKS!" comments and tagging
>"kick me!" signs on the back of him whenever we
>walk past him in the middle of LA.
my "HE SUCKS!" are generated by the fact that he genuinly sucks..always has
>You could relate it to the era switching from
>classicism and renaissance thinking to modernism
>and post classicism in art and painting, actually.
>When all these artists like Picasso and Brach came
>out with these new cubist and futurist ideas,
>their contemporaries (mainly bourgeois and
>politicians) were calling it degenerative and a
>childish regression of human thought. And then
>Hitler began kicking artists out of Nazi Europe.
ack..kirt hammett IS childish in his understanding of music..he examplifies undeveloped playing technique..he screams to be beat with a stick..
>So nowadays we have bands like Red Hot Chile Peppers
>and Metallica producing music that a lot of people
>don't like, a lot of other people don't understand
>but try to enjoy it, and a lot of people who could
>care less about it. They suck they rule, blah blah
>blah!
i like the RHCP..good vibe :).. i even like some Metallica..and yeah.. blah blah blah.. this thread is getting burnt out
>What do you listen to music for? Dancing?
>Sulking? Getting the creative juices flowing while
>you're hunched over a drafting table in an
>architecture studio? Masturbating to childrens'
>Bibles?
>
>The defense rests, you Honor!
i'll stick to the original topic which was "does hammett deserve to be considered one the worlds 100 best guitarist".. and i still maintain that there are THOUSANDS of guitarists that are far superior to him..my purpose for listening to music doesn't add or take away from this..
(so i'm beating a dead house.. oh well)
inferno
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:58:58 +0100
From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mormons, Back-Breasts and other stuff
Message-ID: <12IGmo-1p9cm0C@fwd03.sul.t-online.de>
Yo, Jamophiles!
It might be true, that the DT-Content gets the short
end of the stick in the Jam and its contents. But
you make me laugh so much anyway, that I won't unsub.
You are really funny guys, just had to mention that.
btw.: who agrees that we should create a website with
the definition of 'progressive' for all those people
who keep asking from time to time? If anyone has a good
explanation, email me.
Jam on
Alex Gajic [alex.gajic@taunusbuehne.de]
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:02:08 -0800
From: "UsWest" <davegrimm@uswest.net>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Midwest Fans
Message-ID: <002601be53ae$b3911fc0$1a69fea9@Gismo>
For any MN, WI or IL fans....
Some friends(?) bailed on me, so I've got two extra tix to the Milwaukee
show.
Why should you care? If you're in MN, and are going to the MPLS show (or
not), how often do we get to see such a phenomenon as DT? I've got the tix,
and possibly even the wheels (I'm leaving St. Paul at noon the 12th).
If you're in Chicago, it's what, two hours for you? This is DT we're
talking about!
Or maybe some of you know someone that wants to go, but hasn't gotten tix
yet. Anyway...I could use the help, and you could stand to see them more
than once (it's the weekend, come on!)
I'd really hate to see them go to waste......
Get ahold of me, any help would be great........
Dave
3 DAYS!!!!!
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