YTSEJAM Digest 5305
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5303
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Scenes From A Memory Question
by "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5304
by "Vicente Figueroa" <vicente@ci.cl>
4) Musicians are enterainers?
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
5) Amorphis
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5303
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
7) Virgil Donati and Planet X
by "M. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5304
by Fett2002@aol.com
9) Re: OFF TOPIC: Wolverine at mp3.com
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
10) Re: Star People
by MTeiper@aol.com
11)
by Ibanez Dan <ibanezdan2k@email.com>
12) Xmas CD
by DR1029@aol.com
13) NDTC: Looking for a website
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) Re: Musicians are enterainers?
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
15) Any info on Pittsburgh show, 2-19???
by "Scott Demchuk" <sdemchuk@stylinconcepts.com>
16) gig tricks
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
17) DT Tour music
by KWICKSTIX@aol.com
18) Thanks to Kirk Hammet
by "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net>
19) PLEASE someone answer me?? about the NYC show
by Caprichan@aol.com
20) Little Johnny Farnham
by Nick Storr <nick_storr@onaustralia.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:26:20 GMT
From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5303
Message-ID: <20000210202620.5483.qmail@hotmail.com>
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To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5303
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:51:32 -0800 (PST)
PLEASE take me off this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sending the above to this list will get you NOWHERE!!!
you must unsub from the same email address that you subscribed from.
Send an email to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com
with a subject of: asdf
with a body of: unsubscribe ytsejam your-name
replace your-name with the your name.
this should get you off the list in about 2 hours.
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:23:35 -0500
From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes From A Memory Question
Message-ID: <001b01bf7404$b5367740$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com>
sure . . . nickalas is actually victoria (hence the title strange dejavu),
and that's also why when he looks into a mirror he sees a reflection of the
girl (who is victoria). The killier is the therapist. I would elaborate
more, but I have to go to work.
----- Original Message -----
]From: SCW <klx642@gte.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:10 PM
Subject: Scenes From A Memory Question
>
> Is there a synopsis of some sort that explains the basic story behind
> Metropolis Part II? If not, anyone care to offer one up?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott Wilson
>
> - Don't complain about the things you tolerate.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:29:43 -0300
From: "Vicente Figueroa" <vicente@ci.cl>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5304
Message-ID: <004201bf7405$90e5c8e0$108b1bc8@uva.cl>
I need to something, next mail send to:
Thanks (soory by the english, I can read but I can=B4t write)
Vicente Figueroa M.
vicente@ci.cl
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]From: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:24 PM
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5304
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:27:54 -0500
From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Musicians are enterainers?
Message-ID: <166C71566CFD3D11DA6D0005B80363D1@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
<<I don't quite know what your refering to here, but maybe this is
why you are sitting around, a frustrated guitarists,
while others are out there enjoying the benefits of being in the
ENTERTAINMENT business.>>
Ok, I for one have a serious problem when musicians, at least serious
ones, are reffered to as "entertainers". To me, a musician is an
artist, we just happen to like their artwork and are willing to pay
money for it. Was Picasso an "entertainer"? How about Charles
Dickens? Ive always seen them, as well as musicians, as artists
who's work we find entertaining. Sure there are people who play
music for sole entertainment purposes and dont care about being
expressive with their emotions, and kudos to them, they enjoy it,
thats good.
I would just associate bands like DT or Yes or Symphony X as being
musicians/artists, as opposed to someone like Britney Spears or
whoever, they to me would be an entertainer.
BTW, if this post is taken the wrong way (that only bigtime musos can
be "artists") I'd like to clear up beforehand that this is not what I
meant. Rather, if you are playing for yourself, and you are
expressing yourself and your emotions, and being ARTISTIC, that is
what I mean. I think one of the best music related quotes I can give
comes from David Gilmour, you ALWAYS play for yourself before anyone
else. Anyway, Im rambling now, so I should quit while Im ahead :-)
Matt
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Your own speech
Don't wait 'till
Someone else agrees
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:51:46 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: The Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Amorphis
Message-ID: <38A324E2.63793C0A@ozemail.com.au>
>Don't forget Amorphis. They don't have the death vocals that much,
just
>enough to provide contrast in some of the songs. These guys are
Finnish
>and there are a lot of neat ethnic influences in the songs, talking
>purely musical here, not lyrical.
You obviously haven't checked out their most recent album 'Tuonela' :) ?
Gone are the growling vox, except for one song 'Greed' and the bonus
song
for Australia (yeah we actually get a bonus song) and Japan 'Northern
Lights'
As for Katatonia, their new one 'Tonight's Decision' is pretty good,
nothing
sensational, but solid enough. If you want some with a bit more bite I
suggest
you check out a new Finnish band called Rapture, gothic music with
growling vox,
a combination that is surprisngly good.
gaz
www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:00:26 GMT
From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5303
Message-ID: <20000210210026.10629.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sorry, that first email was meant to be private.
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:01:03 -0500
From: "M. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
To: "Ytse Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Virgil Donati and Planet X
Message-ID: <00ae01bf7409$f4124930$040310ac@pwcg.com>
just a quick comment on virgil's playing...
i got the opportunity to see him with planet x last thursday nite in la
(after the NAMM show), and the man is just flat-out AMAZING!!!
let's put it this way...has anyone ever seen any old karate movies, where
you see some chinese guy flailing around with two swords, moving them over
his head and from side to side, etc...? well, this is the impression that i
got of virgil when he was doing his drum solo...the guy is phenomenal!!!
if you get the opportunity to listen to any of his work or, better yet, to
see him perform live, i would highly recommend that you take it!
mikE emerson
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:12:05 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5304
Message-ID: <2f.16096a4.25d483a5@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/10/00 3:36:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< I have a question for you:
Since this list is about DT and related topics, this discussion about stuff
related to music theory is relevant to DT since they are very knowledgeable
and capable musicians with a firm grasp of music theory. Why do you want the
musicians who have opinions on this topic to leave the list? >>
I was just messing around. I was getting annoyed by the whole thing at that
point. No offense meant to anyone. That post was just a momentary reaction
that I had.
>>I, for one, am interested in their opinions and I suspect that they form a
sizeable portion of DTs fan base. Many awesome musicians can be a little big
headed at times. I think it comes from people constantly telling them how
great they are. So you know, despite my legions of fans and admirers--I have
remained modest ;-) >>
I am interested in those opinions too. Its just that clashes are bound to
happen is all. In actuality, I welcome all ytsejammers. Anyone who is on this
list is a DT fan (I would hope!) and that means they're pretty cool in my
book even if its the only thing I might happen to agree on with is DT.
-Mike C. :)
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:20:44 +0000
From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Wolverine at mp3.com
Message-ID: <38A347CC.DF204207@sdts.nu>
Hej Stefan!
Letar ni fortfarande efter bolag att sl=E4ppa n=E4sta skiva p=E5? Jag vet=
att Neil
Elliot (f.d. DTIFC UK) s=F6ker progressiva band till sitt bolag "Outstand=
ing
Music". Hans e-mail adress =E4r: neil@outstanding-music.fsnet.co.uk
Jag skrev ett mail till Neil och ber=E4ttade att ni eventuellt letade eft=
er bolag
och jag har bifogat hans svar nedan:
Neil Elliott wrote:
> Andreas,
>
> Thanks for the information. Is it possible for this guy to send me
> some material, so we can take a listen to what the band sounds like,
> and what they propose to put out as a second album?
> If so, then the address is: Outstanding Music
> PO Box 2187
> Caterham
> Surrey CR3 0AW
> England
-- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:44:20 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Star People Message-ID: <12.19a8521.25d49944@aol.com>
So are these "Star People" opening in front of the Dregs and DT at EVERY show, or was it just the one show? I hadn't heard anyone mention them before until recently.
Thanx... Matt T.
NP: Sodom "Til Death Do Us Unite"
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: Ibanez Dan <ibanezdan2k@email.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: <385283854.950224337204.JavaMail.root@web07.pub01>
Stop sending me Ytse Digest please.
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:37:15 EST From: DR1029@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Xmas CD Message-ID: <db.10c267c.25d55c7b@aol.com>
Well here we are on Feb 11, 2000 and I have not yet received the Christmas CD yet. Perhaps it will be sent to me in December along with the next CD. I live here on the Northeast coast and was told I would be getting my cd at the end of January....go figure!!
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:55:46 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: NDTC: Looking for a website Message-ID: <5b.1dbd449.25d56ee2@aol.com>
Hey Jammers -
A little NDTC here. I'm trying to remember the name of the guy and/or the website that was mentioned here a few months ago. I think the dude was from Turkey(?), and (my facts may be a little off, so bear with me) he claims on his website to be the world's greatest lover, or something like that. I think a friend of his either gave out his number, or created a whole bogus site about this guy, and suddenly he was bombarded with web traffic and phone calls. I know people here were talking about the guy on the Jam. I checked out the site at the time and thought it was HILARIOUS, but stupid me didn't write the URL down.
If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. Private e-mail is fine, or through the Jam is fine as well.
Thanks!!
- Matt T.
NP: Testament "The Gathering"
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:52:32 -0600 (CST) From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Musicians are enterainers? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002110944080.18748-100000@darkhorse.webzone.net>
On 02/10/00 12:44pm, thus spake Matt Molite:
| Ok, I for one have a serious problem when musicians, at least | serious ones, are reffered to as "entertainers". To me, a musician | is an artist, we just happen to like their artwork and are willing | to pay money for it. Was Picasso an "entertainer"? How about | Charles Dickens? Ive always seen them, as well as musicians, as
i agree with your concept but disagree with your example of Dickens. Charley boy was definately an entertainer; he was paid by the number of words and read quite widely by the general population.
of course, he wasn't an entertainer in the vein of Carrot Top or Tiny Tim (RIP). or was he? NEXT...on a Current Affair *shwroingnnnnnn!*
-- j O H N jjens@webzone.net http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens E N S
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:04:03 -0500 From: "Scott Demchuk" <sdemchuk@stylinconcepts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Any info on Pittsburgh show, 2-19??? Message-ID: <000c01bf74b2$11bc0a40$f700000a@sdemchuk98>
Does anybody have any info on the show in Pittsburgh??? It is supposed to be on February 19th at the Metropol. Ticketmaster does not have a listing for the show. Is the show still on? Has it been rescheduled or cancelled? .I need tickets! Any info will help!
Thanks, Scott
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 00:39:03 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: gig tricks Message-ID: <38A49D97.166B3B0E@mol.com.mk>
OK, I really need a big favour.
How do I succeed 100% in meeting the guys after the gig? It might be easy in USA, I guess the band/fans relationship is more close, but consider a European tour. How can I find them? When? After the gig finishes do I rush like nuts outside? Or there's enough time? Where do I go? Tour bus? How can I find a tour bas in a town I don't know at all (another country)? Is the tour bas the only chance to catch the guys? Backstage? There are some buldog guards in Europe that kills with their eyes? Anything, anyway, how can I do it??? I see all of you US guys have absolutely no problem at all (you chat, meet, get signatures, take photos) except waiting little longer sometimes, but I don't mind that.
Also it may be applied to any other gig, how can I succeed meeting the artist? I see Vai in a month or so, is he a cool guy or he hates fans? :)
---- The poor European.
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:07:43 EST From: KWICKSTIX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT Tour music Message-ID: <33.134605d.25d6287f@aol.com>
I have recently attended two Dream Theater shows (SFAM tour) and have nothing but positive things to say about their performance. I do have a question though: at both concerts, the same music was played over the P.A. in between their opening act and DT's set...I assume this will be the same for the whole tour. What I would like to know is what cd they are actually playing. it seems like some sort of prog compilation...The first song was by Rush and it was a remix. After that was other familiar prog songs by different bands, some of which also seemed to be remixes. Anyways, I would like to know if any of you have heard of such a cd and what it is called. If any of your are planning to attend upcomming DT shows, listen for this and see if you can find out what cd it is. I would appreciate any help.
Thanks, Brian
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:16:42 -0500 From: "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Thanks to Kirk Hammet Message-ID: <NDBBJIOLOCANEMPGCOJJOEKNCAAA.wchiang@tricom.net>
I've come to the conclusion that we should thanks Kirk Hammet, Why? Because if it wasn't for his existence, and his playing, we wouldn't have anything else to talk about in the jam...
Kirk this, kirk that... This guy sleeps and have sex at night while we're bashing him over and over and over and over...
Hey, I think he sucks too, don't get me wrong.
Will Np: Iron Maiden's Wasted Years - played by Angra in their unplugged bootleg
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:51:20 EST From: Caprichan@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: PLEASE someone answer me?? about the NYC show Message-ID: <dd.13ba78d.25d632b8@aol.com>
Okay, I know the DT show at Roseland is not 21+, but is it 18+? i really really gotta know. if anyone could PLEASE tell me, i'll umm...i dont know...be very very happy!! okay well laterz all
Katastrophey
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:15:05 +1100 From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@onaustralia.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Little Johnny Farnham Message-ID: <12172453870539@domain6.bigpond.com>
>We're all someone's daughter;/ we're all someone's son./ How can we look at each other/ down the >barrel of a gun?
Hey... cool :)
I never thought I'd hear this song (or the artist who sung it) quoted on the jam.... but one of my favourite singers... even if heaps of his stuff is pretty daggy... I'd love to hear him wrap his lungs around some prog stuff :)
Nick
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