YTSEJAM Digest 5319
Today's Topics:
1) some genius
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
2) Re: First bass
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Ect, ect, ect....and shtuff..
by Caprichan@aol.com
4)
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
5) Re(2): Essential footwear
by "Nissinen Tommi"
6) music by jammers
by "Matt Baker" <cavere@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
7) First basses
by "Dimitri Kontos" <bassplayer68@hotmail.com>
8) YtseCons of old
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
9) Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears...
by "Michael Tilson" <mtilson@ionet.net>
10) Re: Richard Marx guitar
by "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com>
11) First Bass/Guitar, a side note
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
12) JP's new guitar
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: Much props to yo daddy.
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) SFAM sales
by Fett2002@aol.com
15) Unsubscriptions
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
16) US of A
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
17) Guitarist in the Blue Period, and Esteban
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
18) I saw Yes
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
19) Re: unsubbing
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
20) Cheap gear and PATGoD
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
21) New bootleg??
by Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
22) the Porcupine Tree
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
23) PF and DT
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
24) Re: Piling On Kirby
by MTeiper@aol.com
25) RE: The SFAM review
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
26) Scenes (My Decision) and Pink Floyd
by CoolCris26@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:45:05 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: some genius
Message-ID: <20000218024505.69420.qmail@hotmail.com>
someone wrote:> "Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy,
wealthy and wise." -
>Some dead guy.
Shouldn't that be "Early to rise, early to bed, makes a man healthy, wealthy
and dead."? <~~~~~You, sir, are a genius! =^)
-Fran/Banjoman
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:58:40 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: First bass
Message-ID: <000501bf79c4$72553180$0200010a@steve>
> Rich warlock *bass* in Guitar Center last weekend? Yuck.) Also, since
> none of my friends were really the middle-class snobs I turned out to
> be, all I got was "Cool! A bass!", not "Eww, a Harmony." I've seen
All this talk about when everybody got their first bass is making me
nostalgic. The first time I got to first bass, I was 12 years old. It was
in the hallway outside the kitchen in my elementary school. Her name was...
or is that not what you meant?
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:10:43 EST
From: Caprichan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Ect, ect, ect....and shtuff..
Message-ID: <39.16b2642.25de2043@aol.com>
Alright i just have a few things to say:
1) On KISS: i didnt like them to begin with, either...to whoever put that
2) On basses: If you can afford one, Soundgear basses are really, really
nice. They're by Ibanez, for those of you who care or don't know...I got a 5
string, the SR 305 DX...it's super nice. Alvarez made a really, really good
acoustic 4 string, i forget what kind it is, but it's very expensive, so if
you're starting out, I wouldn't start on an acoustic first of all...I
personally started on a Rickenbacker, and then a Soundgear, with the B as the
5th string..I was borrowing it cuz I was playing for someone's band. Anywayz
'nuff about all that.
3) Yes, yes it is a bass, but On the RBX6JM: SUPER SWEET, DUDE!!!! I
walked into Russo's (a nice music store a little ways from me) and asked if
they had it, so the dude went into the back because he wasn't sure if they
did, and came back with a cardboard box, sealed, with The Bass
inside...hehe...it was super sweet. I felt all special cuz i was the first
person to play it :)
Okay well in any case, I was there for a very long while playing it until I
had to leave, and whenever I can I go back to play it. That thing is sooooo
nice. I have small hands for a bass player, but the neck is barely thicker
than my 5stringer's!! Super nice, dude, super nice!
For anyone who cares: Anyone try/have the BP8 processor? It's really
nifty...I especially like what you can do with the wah's on there and the
harmonies and stuff. It's got tons of stuff on there...very sweet, again...
Laterz all
Katastrophey
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:13:29 -0500
From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <20000217.231331.-944061.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
Two questions:
1.) On average, how long have the DT shows been running? I'm going to a
friend's house after the Roseland show and I have to let him know roughly
when I'll get there. I don't want to tell him I'll be there at 12 and
walk in at 3AM.
2.) Before christmas last year, I found a used Ibanez 540R on consignment
at a local music store. To make a long story short, my folks surprised me
by buying it for me for christmas. Now I've got this cool guitar, but I
don't know anything about it except that it was made in 1991, has a
rosewood fretboard, and has a lo pro edge tremolo. Except for the tremolo
limiters, everything appears to be stock. Can anyone tell me more about
it?
-Dan.
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Date: 18 Feb 2000 06:38:00 +0300
From: "Nissinen Tommi"
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re(2): Essential footwear
Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAInqEwABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Pye, Adam (17.2.2000 19:58):
Also 2/22/95
>(Derek officially announced as the new keys guy),
That was at the Tavastia Club, Helsinki, Finland and it really is a great=
gig.
Sound level of that boot is pretty low but the instruments sound clearly.=
=20And i
agree absolutely what Adam said about those "rip-off boots".
-Tommi Nissinen
NP: DT:"Milan 1999"
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:00:05 -0600
From: "Matt Baker" <cavere@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: music by jammers
Message-ID: <68956D89F65E3D11DA4D00807C90262A@cavere.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Sounds like fun, sharing our own music with each other...
I have some recordings(basically rehearsal tapes with some overdubs
as needed) of my band, Meridian.
We've recorded 2 songs, "Eyes to See" and "Black Lung Disease"
The MP3s are available at www.idrive.com under cavere42 in the shared
folder.
Black Lung Disease is an instrumental with LOTS of guitar parts...I
got overdub happy today;)
(BLD is the same song, an earlier version, before it had a
melody...don't bother)
Eyes to See features me on vocals and sax(and the simple keyboards at
the beginning)
Enjoy, and if you like it, let me know:)
-Cavere
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 05:07:21 GMT
From: "Dimitri Kontos" <bassplayer68@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: First basses
Message-ID: <20000218050721.321.qmail@hotmail.com>
I happened to catch the conversation about bass guitars. I noticed Harmony
was mentioned. That was my first bass when I first started. I thought it was
good. It looked somewhat like a Fender, but it weighed a ton! After a while,
I ditched it and bought an Epiphone. I like the way it looked and it was
cheap. So I used that for 3 or 4 years, until I picked up an Ibanez SR500. I
finally got a great sounding bass with great electronics, and a killer
price.
I recently bought the new Peavey G-Bass. I wasn't to fond on Peavey, but
when I picked this bass up and played, I fell in love. It lists for around
$900 I think. It is a great bass. The tone is unbelievable and the active EQ
is excellent. There is a 3 band eq plus volume control on it. The EQ's
actually have a separate battery for it. I think it's a great bass. I'd like
to get into the 6 string, but I think I will wait a couple years.
But I do agree with Matthew. More expensive is not exactley better. There
are basses and guitars that are way overpriced, and it might not be for you.
When people ask me "Why do you have a Peavey? They suck" Wrong. They have
improved their instruments greatly, at least IMO. They have one called
Cirrus. It's a beautiful bass. I also agree with him that you definitely
want to play on something not to cheap. I think when you buy a new piece of
equiptment, it changes your mindset, and you tend to improve, because it's
new, and you want to play the hell out of it. Start small, and then build
up. It's not worth buying a $1000 bass, and 4x10 cab, and a 15 cab, when you
start out.
Nice post Matt. That was perfect. I hope this was ok. I really don't know
what this whole discussion is about except something about starting out and
buying a Harmony. I don't know, I might be way off bass. No pun intended.
D
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 100 21:55:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: YtseCons of old
Message-ID: <200002180555.AA02131@crl.crl.com>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:53:55 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
>> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>> Subject: DT Management
>> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10002171653130.4170-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
>>
>> Hey folx,
>>
>> Long time since I posted on here......
>
>Hey! Where's my tapes!?... Oh, God, sorry. Flashback.
hehehehehehehe Tooo damn funny.
>God, I was in the Fantasia diner with Al, Bafu, Pellaz, Skadz, Wacky,
>Hairball, Syrinx, and a bunch of other mental cases all at the same
>time... and lived to tell about it!
Actually, I was only in the Fanta-Seeya! Diner for about 30 seconds.
Trey Allen, Brandon F., Bafu and I had just pulled in and we went
inside and that was at about the same time everyone bugged out because
the proprietor got mad. I'm not sure Bafu even made it inside; when
we pulled into the parking lot someone was yelling "Where's that
asshole Bafu!" and he was sorta cowering in the back seat next to me.
:)
I've done a few DT roadtrips since then, and had a helluva time on all
of them, but THAT one was the first and still the neetest. I'll never
forget when we finally got to the motel on L.I. after the loong drive
up and Trey and Brandon, both from Jacksonville, Fla., got out of the
car. They basically had never seen "real" snow before -- which made
riding in 18-yr old Trey's car THAT much more interesting on those
icy roads -- and they kinda looked at eachother, shrugged, and ran
pell-mell toward a big snowdrift and jumped into it. Me 'n' Bafu were
dyin'......
> That's it. We've got to organize
>YtseCon IV. It's been too damn long. Someone see if the Fantasia is
>available. :)
Yes, but only to Jews who behave themselves. :)
(Remember, the owner muttered something about gentiles when he was
griping about us.... I forget now if he kicked us all out or if we
voluntarily decided to leave. :))
--Paul "Pellaz" Cashman
..busily planning the DT gathering for Atlanta, with c. 25 participants,
but it's not QUITE as cool as a "true" Ytsecon. :)
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:42:26 -0700 From: "Michael Tilson" <mtilson@ionet.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears... Message-ID: <003101bf79db$531447e0$227d1d26@4su1t>
>Yeah, my local station WZZO (Bethlehem/Allentown, PA) has that thing going >every year too. You pay 20 bucks and they play whatever you want, and its for >a good cause of course....pretty much exactly what this station is >doing....Rob LaDuca (NEARfest president) requested In the Mouth of Madness >from Spock's Beard...oh yeah!! >Hey that reminds me- who is going to NEARfest this year? I got my tix!
OK, I don't want to prevent a good cause from making money, but I'd get my money's worth by requesting the longest song possible. Something like ACOS, or SB's The Light. I'd even donate my CD to them if they didn't have it.
Also, what's the deal with the people that still don't know how to unsubscribe? I was hoping not to see any of these for a while since the list was wiped clean less than three weeks ago.
DreamDevil ASU Sun Devils 104, UCLA Bruins 75 (I just had to get that in somewhere!)
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:40:44 CET From: "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Richard Marx guitar Message-ID: <20000218074044.75185.qmail@hotmail.com>
> > I'm sorry, but I just cannot give my seal of approval to a guitar > > >that was endorsed by Richard Marx. :)
>Well, if it doesn't work out, you can always give it to my mom, or >maybe >your mom. ;P
Or me! Believe it or not, I think Richard Marx is great! He writes songs with great melodies and the arrangements are great. Take Hazard for example, what an amazing song. OK, it's VERY 80's commercial music but so is "Another Day" too so what the heck? :-)
Take care and open your ears towards the music of Marx!!
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:48:52 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: First Bass/Guitar, a side note Message-ID: <002f01bf79e4$9a49dea0$63bcfea9@madstation>
I think Matt said just about everything I would have said on this topic, but I thought I'd mention some things that I've noticed, as a guitar teacher (can you imagine the torture of taking a guitar lesson from ME? Muahaha!)
There are 2 very very big problems with buying the bottom of the barrel beginner instrument. They stand out as a much bigger issue on guitar and bass than most anywhere else.
1). Tuning/Intonation. The really cheap, and really cheesy beginner instruments RARELY have decent hardware, as it pertains to tuners and bridges. This is a MUCH MUCH bigger problem than you would think. A player who has been around a while can deal with bad intonation, to some extent... covering for the problem. And he can tune and retune while playing, should the need arise. This is because he (or she) has developed some sense of pitch. A newcomer will not necessarily have this benefit. I've had students come to me and say "I put it in the case after you tuned it, and I couldn't get it back in tune again, all week." That's a lot of time and stress to waste, instead of saving an extra hundred bucks. The entry level guitars and basses out there are simply not worth the investment in quality hardware, as the cost of a decent set of locking tuners will already drive up the price at least $50. And if you were to upgrade, you'll soon find other flaws... the pickups, the wiring, the neck... it doesn't pan our to a wise investment. It begs the AMG Pacer argument that Matt brought up (which I agree with, for the most part, though you can certainly turn a decent guitar into a great guitar, with work)
2). The neck / action. I have one of those Peavey basses that weigh 1700 lbs. I don't know why it weighs that much. Someone at the plant must have misunderstood the implication of the word "heavy". Anyways, I got the thing for free, so what the hell. I've known several great bassists in my short time, and I've learned a few tricks here and there, insofar as technical things (several types of slaps and taps, etc). Almost none of what I know can be played on this bass, by me or anyone else. The action is so high, and the neck is so crappy, that it's worthless to try! I am certain that I'd have quit if I had started on an instrument like this.
When you can get a decent guitar for $250-300, or a great guitar starting at around $500, why not save up? Use a friend's guitar or bass to practice on, or to bring to lessons. Save money on an amp at first... don't skimp on the shit you have to put directly in your hands!
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:49:26 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: JP's new guitar Message-ID: <002101bf79e4$ae261920$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
Where can I find a pic of JP's new guitar, I have been searching but I can't seem to find one. Why did he break with Ibanez? I think I may have missed that.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:01:38 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Much props to yo daddy. Message-ID: <006701bf79e6$6249b5a0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
Sloppy Joe writez: > > I hates 2 break it 2 yo like dis, but, I think yo mama be in need of an > appendectomy, bitch! > ____________
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:00:37 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM sales Message-ID: <a6.d4c808.25de5625@aol.com>
Just thought I'd mention that on metal-sludge.com, which posts Soundscan sales number for albums in the US, it lists that SFAM has sold 67,456 copies in the US thus far. Now, these numbers are accuratate but are not what Billbard reports. On Billboard's charts, and RIAA certifications, they list the sales number for album to retail stores. For example, KoRn's latest album, Issues is listed as being triple platinum by the RIAA and on the Billbard charts. However, the actual Soundscan number of albums sold to actua consumers (as opposed to retail outlets) is 2,112,609. So, on a Billboard chart, if it were listed, SFAM's sales numbers would be higher than 67,456. Just thought I'd give everyone an update.
-Mike C.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:37:23 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Unsubscriptions Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC495D@julia.um.be>
Anyone noticed the number of unsubscriptions these days ?
Could it be that the Jam is becoming less interesting ?
Just a thought...
HeinV
Thanks for the Porcupine Tree info. I will buy some stuff ASAP.
NP The Gathering - Superheat
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:39:51 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: US of A Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC495E@julia.um.be>
Somebody commented...
>>Yes France is a very beautiful country and it >>would be great to live there if it wasn't for >>all those chauvinistic French people over there... > >Kinda like the US of A in that respect, innit?
Don't know, never been there...:)... Seems interesting tough..
HeinV
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:06:56 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Guitarist in the Blue Period, and Esteban Message-ID: <38AD19C0.1F4BDD6D@imap1.asu.edu>
Christopher W. Ptacek spake with his fingers:
> Speaking as an Ibanez user,
Oh, you play Ibanez? I'm sorry... ;)
> That blue Music Man that JP is using sounds and looks amazing to me. It's > startling that you can actually hear such a significant difference between > his Ibanezi (that's plural) and the new axe. When he switches from the camo > JPM to the Music Man, it's like they turned the lights on, sonically. > Vastly superior instrument, to my ears. I wonder if EB has any intention of > doing a 7 string.
I didn't really hear much of a difference in the sound between the two guitars, well, not enough to take notice anyways. It was pretty funky seeing this mini-fender being played with a sound so heavy coming through the PA. It's so hard to be heavy when you're playing with a pick guard. They're sorta like condoms for the guitar, now that I think about it....and on that segue,
Petruccius says, "It's all in the fingers."
> Oh, and anyone who may have been wondering, Floyd Rose IS selling 7 string > trems now. You can officially build your own 7 string with a whammy, > without having to use Ibanez parts, if you're a stickler. I didn't see any > locking nut (don't go there) but you could always use sperzels.
At LAST, I can one-up Ron Thal and construct that 21 string triple neck Bleu Cheese guitar I've been designing for months now! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Just kidding. Thank god though, somebody else can supply what Ibanez can't. They've been "backlogged" on lo-pros for the past year and a half, and trying to get a 6 string lo pro was just damn impossible! (And another thing...this crap about not supplying wizard necks without them being attached to a Universe...)
Buy Ron Thal disks and spread the gospel of zany to the unborn ears! HALLELUJIA! (Damn it, Pickacheck, you had to expose me to that lunatic's wonderful music...and now I don't know what isn't music anymore!)
UNO OTRO thing I had to spit out in this forum de la musica. Has anybody heard of a classical flamenco guitarist by the name of Esteban? He's an Arizona resident and had a special on PBS (Channel 8, Arizona State University) during their last fund raiser this past season, with his daughter playing the violin in accompanyment to his awesome guitar. The performance has inspired me to pick up yet more instruments and seek more of a musical collection in the classical/flamenco. I HIGHLY recommend any fan of classical music and classical guitar to check this dude out, the only problem is...I don't know where to buy his CDs. No web sites either. Maybe I was just hallucenating again from working with too many oil paints and subconsciously made this guy up.
:(
I hate it when that happens.
~Shredi Eckie is out of phase with the Force
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:40:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I saw Yes Message-ID: <49923a83f7graham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
I went to see Yes last night in Glasgow. I didn't know any of the songs, but I quite enjoyed it. The Russian keyboard player was very cool; Steve Howe's guitar playing was extremely sloppy.
Alan White's mother was in the audience. He gave her a wee kiss at the end.
I was the youngest person in the audience. First time that's ever happened to me. :-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:22:17 -0500 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: unsubbing Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000218072020.00a90100@pop.ecosoft.com>
If your that much of an idiot that you don't know how to UNSUB from a list by reading the SAME instructions that you had to read to subscribe to begin with then putting unsub instructions at the beggining of EVERY message isn't gonna cut it.
It'd be damn annoying to the ones who want to be subscribed..
At 06:25 PM 2/17/00 -0800, Fran Brennan wrote:
>It seems that no one knows how to unsub from this list, and I highly doubt >that they're just gonna stumble upon www.dreamtheater.net (or wherever) and >learn how. So how 'bout just putting unsubbing instructions at the beginning >of each jam? That seems like a simple enough solution... > -Fran/Banjoman > >np - DT "Bad" Mp3 > >p.s. Anyone goin' to the primus show in providence friday? Look for a hippie >in a 'leftover salmon' t shirt dancing his ass off and generally making a >fool of himself. That's me =^) >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >We blew a fuse with a BALLAD?!?!?! > - Scott Henderson, after doing just that >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: 18 Feb 2000 12:32:30 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Cheap gear and PATGoD Message-ID: <20000218123230.26695.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: first basses & Richard Marx
>Folks, I'm only going to say this once. If you want >to start playing guitar or bass, start with something >good. Trust me, Hondo and Harmony and Cheapshit >instruments have POOR resale value in the used market.
Wait, you mean you'd even CONSIDER getting rid of your first? I started out with a strat copy I bought off my sister for )BŁ5, and it's still loved and played to this day. Albeit it's been customised as hell (all-black finish and plate, neck sanded down to the wood and oiled, black-covered DiMarzios...OK, I was going through a Kirk Hammet phase!), but it's still pretty cool to have a muck around on. Never chuck out old guitars!
>I would suggest "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" This >was the only Floyd record under Syd's direction.
That'd be why it's crap, then. I can almost listen to Relics, but it's beyond me how anyone can say that losing Barrett counted as a loss to Floyd. Horrible album.
Actually, the crappiest thing I ever saw was a couple of years ago, some woman wrote a fantasy novel called "Piper At The Gates of Dawn", and I just broke down in fits of laughter in her absence.
~SJD
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:44:24 -0300 From: Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: New bootleg?? Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A71034871D2@CORREIO>
Hi there,
Does anybody heard anything of DT new bootleg from 11/11/99, Holland SBD???
Alex Curitiba, Brazil
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:21:55 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the Porcupine Tree Message-ID: <20000218132155.73026.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Oh, about Porcupine Tree...isn't that just a fancy word for "Cactus"??? >All >you arborists (ha!) out there can now descend. Bub eye.
If my reference is correct, Wilson's "Porcupine Tree" is a locust tree (a prime example of which attacks me every time I try to go out by the back door at night).
checking Wilson's 'NP:' list reveals some highly evil stuff. check it out http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/SWplaylist.html
NP: some band live, from last summer, in Cleaveland I/J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:41:33 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: PF and DT Message-ID: <20000218134133.28427.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> >Subject: The SFAM review > > Musically, this CD encompasses the broadest range of music yet heard > > on a DT CD, from deranged shredding, to soulful David Gilmour style > > licks. .... "The Spirit Carries On" evokes shades of Pink Floyd >Mua-ha-ha, DIE ya non PF fans! :)))
James has the Roger Waters almost down pat. Actually, I keep expecting them to break into the end part of "Eclipse" sometime during that tune... sortof like you could expect "Have a Cigar" during Peruvian Skies... it just fits.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:49:39 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Piling On Kirby Message-ID: <38.2537a3d.25dea7f3@aol.com>
In a message dated 02/17/1970, 8:24:32 PM, the Digital Man writes:
<<Why is everyone ragging on Kirby? It's not like she bought Mike Bahr's computers and is chugging these things out in her basement. She's the point of contact between you and Europe that eliminates the necessity for you to send money overseas, with all the insurance and cost of IRCs and whatnot.
I think that Kirby donating her free time to the community to provide a service like this is above and beyond fair. What's not fair is people (and I don't mean to get personal here, Rob; your post was merely convenient) expecting CDNow-type service from a volunteer who's an ocean away from the operation. Everyone chill and let Kirby have a personal life. If it gets to be Memorial Day, and we don't have CDs, then I imagine that even Kirby would consider our complaints well-justified.>>
Actually, my take on Rob's original post was that he's not blaming Kirby directly for the CD delay (which it sounded like you were implying in your post, d-man). I don't think there's any question that she's not at fault here. In fact, I don't have anything bad to say about her. I e-mailed her politely asking what was the deal with the X-Mas CD and my subscription, and I got a polite response. I think what Rob was getting at was that like you say, she's the go-between for US folks to get in contact with the actual operation. By asking Nicole for another copy, I doubt that it was meant to be a knock on her directly. But, she is the point of contact for the US subscription folks, so maybe through her something can be done.
Anyway, my 2 cents... Matt T.
NP: Metallica "S & M"
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:30:19 -0500 From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: The SFAM review Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1DA9@HQEXS01>
Cyberduke, It doesn't matter how many times you try to point out that DT was influenced by Pink Floyd, or that "The Spirit Carries On" sounds very Floyd-esque. We know this already. And it doesn't matter how many other "reputable sources" you quote to make your point. Those of us who don't like PF, still won't like them. You can't "convince" us that we're wrong. Our tastes are what they are, and no amount of "logical argument" is going to change them. Personally, I find most of their music boring. That's right, I said boring. It's OK in small doses, or as background music, but I can't really say I like it. I used to like them, but the more I listened (and the more rock radio stations play them to death) the less interested I became. As "Pink Floyd" as The Spirit Carries On sounds, it has a couple of things going for it that make it much better than any PF song, IMO: DT has a vastly superior vocalist, and it's just one song. The Pink Floyd elements on SFAM are spread around and interspersed amidst many different styles that are nicely juxtaposed. If DT came out with an entire album of nothing but stuff that sounded like PF, then I probably would not like it either.... Oh, well, enough on this. I thought this topic was dead, but you seem to resurrect it at any opportunity, so I felt compelled to comment. I think I shall return to lurking now....
Zircon the Blue
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:16:37 +0100 >From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> >Subject: The SFAM review
>> Musically, this CD encompasses the broadest range of music yet heard >> on a DT CD, from deranged shredding, to soulful David Gilmour style >> licks. .... "The Spirit Carries On" evokes shades of Pink Floyd
>Mua-ha-ha, DIE ya non PF fans! :)))
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:31:14 EST From: CoolCris26@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Scenes (My Decision) and Pink Floyd Message-ID: <79.18e46f0.25deb1b2@aol.com>
I was just listenening to Scenes for about the 50th time and realized that this album is by far their best since I&W. It hasn't lost any of its longevity like FII did. I might get flammed for this, but I popped in Awake yesterday and started listening to James' growling vocals, and I said "Fuck this I'm putting Scenes back in the Player." I think it's their best produced album, and I have finally come to the opinion that it IS a lyrically strong album. And the way James sings on this album is his best (ACOS too maybe). I think that Fatal Tragedy seriously kicks ass, THE is a beautiful ballad sung with a lot of emotion, Home is a killer tune as well, andTDOE is pure liquid insanity. I even look forward to songs like BTL. It took a while for me to get used to that "trumpet part," but now I even like that. I actually see how it's like metal jazz fusion and it does fit. If someone asked me what album to buy first for DT to get a taste of them i would tell them SFAM. My first Pink Floyd Album would be Meddle. I think that Echoes captures more of what Floyd is about than any one song in my humble opinion, and if you haven't heard like every song on the radio from Dark Side of the Moon than get that masterpiece. Many jammers are listing The final cut, but I saw that as their weakest album. Definitely get The Wall if you're into the epic. Wish you were here and Animals (their most underrated album) are also A calliber classics. Finally, on thing that I really enjoy is the Pulse Video, and if you have a Hi-Fi VCR you're in for a treat because that version of One of These Days and High Hopes is phenomenal. And by the way 94 PF Division Bell was by far the best concert I've ever seen and that includes seeing DT 5 great times and Liquid Tension once. Sorry so long sincerely Chris
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