YTSEJAM Digest 5320
Today's Topics:
1)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) into the (pink) void
by MentalHunk@aol.com
3) Re: LaBrie's Breasts
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) some thoughts (too many actually...)
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Re: Pink Floyd
by INNSOUL@aol.com
6) Re: first basses & Richard Marx
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5319
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5319
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
9) The Collective
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
10) Secret track?1?
by "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com>
11) Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5317
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
13) Re: some thoughts (too many actually...)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5319
by Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5318
by Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net>
16) JP's live sound
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
17) Guitar boot camp
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
18) My First Guitar
by matt guillory <dali@best.com>
19) Re: Anybody else notice this?
by "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com>
20) Pickguards and JP's new guitar
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
21) First bass
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
22) Re: Pickguards and JP's new guitar
by eckie@asu.edu
23) Punctuality...
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
24) Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears...
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:01:15 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <38AD5EBB.BC5FD288@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> >Yes France is a very beautiful country and it
> >would be great to live there if it wasn't for
> >all those chauvinistic French people over there...
>
> Kinda like the US of A in that respect, innit?
Oh c'mon, I've met a couple of nice French people right here in Boston
:)
> Again, sorry for the Trek talk here!
Followups redirected to http://www.priceline.com :P
> let us give praise they didn't decide on Spock's Balls..
How about (Yeoman) Rand's Gland? :)
> > "Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise." -
> > Some dead guy.
>
> Shouldn't that be "Early to rise, early to bed, makes a man healthy, wealthy
> and dead."?
Uh, no it shouldn't..... :)
It rhymes....and the having the author at the end allows for enough of a
pause to make it funny....for some of us anyways :)
> > >The Band is called Spock's Beard and not Spock's Bears. The're named
> > >after the one episode of Star Track where Spock has a Beard (this is
> > >the truth!).
>
> And yet, no, it's not. There was no episode of Star Trek called "Spock's
where did the person claim that was the title? they were describing the
episode. the operative word 'where' allows one to properly grok the
smeantics.
> Beard." There was one called "Spock's Brain," in which some aliens remove
> Spock's brain and use it to run their network or something.
>
> This message brought to you by nothing in particular.
Including a clue. In fact, the episode was called "Mirror, Mirror"
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:07:09 EST
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: into the (pink) void
Message-ID: <c3.1f13d44.25deba1d@aol.com>
Myself,
I like Floyd stuff such as "Run Like Hell", and
"Lost for words", but most of it I just don't like...
They have great moments but when I look at my Pink Floyd collection I see 2 cd's...thats it...
They bore me too
Tom
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:30:52 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: LaBrie's Breasts
Message-ID: <000601bf7a21$e4513560$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>ODTC*: Has anyone who has seen the new tour noticed whether James is using
>ear mould-monitors on this tour?
I don't think so. Every once in awhile he was sticking his finger in his
ear to make sure he was in key. Regardless, he gave a spectacular
performance, imo.
-- KorgX3 monchichi means happiness! NP: Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train.mp3------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:55:20 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: some thoughts (too many actually...) Message-ID: <001601bf7a28$90791c80$0200010a@steve>
> Anyone noticed the number of unsubscriptions these days ? > > Could it be that the Jam is becoming less interesting ? > > Just a thought...
Actually, I don't think it's possible for the jam to be LESS interesting.
> It doesn't matter how many times you try to point out that DT was > influenced by Pink Floyd, or that "The Spirit Carries On" sounds very > Floyd-esque. We know this already. And it doesn't matter how many other > "reputable sources" you quote to make your point. Those of us who don't > like PF, still won't like them. You can't "convince" us that we're wrong. > Our tastes are what they are, and no amount of "logical argument" is going > to change them.
Amen.
> As "Pink Floyd" as The Spirit Carries On sounds, it has a couple of > things going for it that make it much better than any PF song, IMO: DT has > a vastly superior vocalist, and it's just one song.
Superior guitarist, superior bassist, superior drummer...
(wait a minute - isn't Bernd the Superior guitarist?)
> [The PF elements] on SFAM are spread around and interspersed amidst many different styles that > are nicely juxtaposed.
Hmmm. I dont' think so. I think there are far too many, and they are far too close to blatant plagiarism for my tastes.
And yet I still like the album...
> And the way James sings on this album [SFaM] is his best (ACOS too
I would put ACoS over SFaM any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He is certainly at his most emotive on this album, but his technique is just not there. I don't mind that he sings in a lower register more on SFaM. What I do mind is how he is supressing his vibrato. Even when he does use vibrato it is forced and held, much unlike the free and easy vibrato he had on Awake and ACoS. (I&W has too much processing on the vocals to determine what James actually sounds like.) FII it was getting worse and SFaM sounds like either an aging James, or a truly talented singer trying to supress his natural and learned technique in order to sound more commercial.
How many posts to the jam have there been saying how great Mark Anthony was on his HBO concert? And how many people had no idea he was that good a singer from his single? (Did anyone see "The Mask of Zorro"? He sings a duet with Tina Arena during the end credits that really shows how good a singer he is. Was that a single? If so, I'm sure they edited out all the really talented parts.)
MTV (and the rest of the media) has been feeding the public CRAP for so long that now most of the weak-minded fools that make up the American people have been brainwashed into thinking not only that they like it, but that the hacks on TV who are singing/playing it are actually talented.
Marc Anthony's big hit single has him singing a song with about an octave range. Maybe less. Mariah Carey was forced to stop showcasing her talents in order to sell more records. That sucks! Here's this girl with these amazing abilities, and people who are either intimidated by it or jealous say, "oh, that's annoying." I'll never understand how so many people in this country can hear a talented singer and say "eew, that's annoying. I just want to hear people sing how they talk." That's like saying "I just want to hear someone play the piano like he types." I'm not really a big fan of Mariah Carey's chosen style of music (the soul stuff. I like the poppy stuff), but I'll always watch her video just to marvel at her technique (and her boobs).
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:13:58 EST From: INNSOUL@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pink Floyd Message-ID: <ac.17b8ddf.25dec9c6@aol.com>
> From: "Michael G. Mattingly" <mgmattingly@juno.com> > > I would suggest " Piper at the Gates of Dawn " This was the only Floyd > record under Syd's direction. Some say this record is the first " Space > Rock " record ever. Anywho, this album rocks. IMHO There's also "A Saucerful of Secrets" which was Syd's last album and Dave's first. They were never in the studio at the same time. If I had to choose though, I'd have to go w/ Piper for "Astronomy Domine" and "Bike".
Sean <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music/MoneyForTheToll">Money For The Toll</A >
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:26:26 +0000 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: first basses & Richard Marx Message-ID: <38AD80C2.8D34295E@sdts.nu>
Nick Giannotti wrote:
> Heh - mine was a Hondo. Red P-Bass copy, and it was so heavy that I mig= ht > as well have strapped an anvil to my chest and banged it with a hammer.
Since english is not my native language, and I'm very curious by nature, = I was wondering what an "anvil" is?
Thanks!
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:43:50 +0100 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5319 Message-ID: <200002181641.RAA02673@altair.ceu.hu>
In her/his recent electronic letter, ytsejam@torchsong.com was like:
> Hazard for example, what an amazing song. Hazard rules. It should be Hotel Calif. Tibor aka T-Bone >
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:11:21 -0600 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5319 Message-ID: <B4D2D959.2CDC%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:30:19 -0500 > From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> > To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: RE: The SFAM review > Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1DA9@HQEXS01> > > > Cyberduke, > It doesn't matter how many times you try to point out that DT was > influenced by Pink Floyd, or that "The Spirit Carries On" sounds very > Floyd-esque. We know this already.
You know, a couple things struck me when I went to the Minneapolis show up here. First was that the album sounded much better live than it did on the cd...maybe because James' mic kept cutting out so I could partially ignore the truly awful lyrics. But second, was that there were multiple parts lifted almost directly out of Floyd. There were parts of In the Flesh?, One of My Turns, and Outside the Wall, at least. I couldn't help but laugh after a while. I mean really, regardless of how much you like a band or something, if your songs keep coming out sounding that much like them (someone already mentioned the Peruvian Skies-Have a Cigar similarity) then I think maybe you ought to put a little more thought into the melodies.
-Brian
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:08:46 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Collective Message-ID: <38AD7C9E.43BBD833@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I'm starting to get the shit scared out of me with all the personal, legal, > financial, and medical information out there on the web these days.
Yep. Sniffing cocaine has been replaced in favor of packet sniffing as the new addiction of choice.
> Until Jeff Bezos has to choose between digging into his own pockets > and protecting my credit card number, I'm driving to Borders.
Your credit card has already been processed and .0001 cents is deducted from your account with each transaction committed (on- or offline). It ain't much, but with all the other sheep we've conned into hopping on the revolving line-of-credit bandwagon, we'll be ok this year. Solvency if futile. You will be compounded...
Better not try to blow through any red lights (ironic me telling you about breaking driving laws, eh Chris? :). There are cameras at all lights which link in to image process your license shiz which is link to your account and an EFT is perform to pay the ticket directly. Justice is irrelavent. You exist only to feed the machine.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:24:06 -0600 From: "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Secret track?1? Message-ID: <010401bf7a34$f56ccea0$debf640a@kc.kemper.com>
What secret track? Where? Tell me about it?
Also - someone had a sig with a quote from John P regarding John M - where did that come from?
Saw the show in St. Louis - the venue wasn't great, very small, it was incredibly packed, very hot etc. It was also incredibly LOUD (with ear plugs, the sound was excellent!). About 4 people collapsed/passed out around me during the show (I was about 5 or 'rows' back from the stage, in the throbbing mass of humanity).
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:25:55 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002181224140.26868-100000@its2.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Michael Tilson wrote:
> OK, I don't want to prevent a good cause from making money, but I'd > get my money's worth by requesting the longest song possible. > Something like ACOS, or SB's The Light. I'd even donate my CD to them > if they didn't have it.
Hell, I'd go with not only the longest song I can think of, but the most offensive: SB's The Water! It's cool enough until that one section at the end - "FUCK YOU!" all over the place. :) That'd be cool on the air, if you ask me.
Personally, I think this is a great idea for a fundraiser. I'm glad that people are trying to help out charities and stuff. But I, too, wonder how on earth they're going to dig up all the songs they need to in order to play all their requests...
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:40:20 -0300 (CLST) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5317 Message-ID: <200002181740.OAA19559@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:53:31 +0100 (CET) >From: Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: spock's beard >Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002172046100.5489-100000@holly.sbbs.se> > >On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 Roene.Desjardijn@ect.nl wrote: > >> >It's Spock's Bears. OK, well in that case then, it is well known to >any >> serious Star Trek fan that at one point Spock bought the Chicago >Bears >> because he loved football so much >> >> The Band is called Spock's Beard and not Spock's Bears. The're named >> after the one episode of Star Track where Spock has a Beard (this is >> the truth!). > >Star Track... never heard of it. Could you tell us more about it?
It's a cool science-friction show, starred by William Shatter, Leonard Neemoy and The Forest Kelly (quite a weird name, if you ask me).
That one episode is called "Minor Mirror", when Neemoy's character tries to look at his beard but us using such a small mirror, he can't do it and has to get another one.
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: some thoughts (too many actually...) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002181239520.26868-100000@its2.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Steven Zebrowski wrote:
> > And the way James sings on this album [SFaM] is his best (ACOS too > > I would put ACoS over SFaM any day of the week and twice on Sunday. > He is certainly at his most emotive on this album, but his technique > is just not there. I don't mind that he sings in a lower register > more on SFaM. What I do mind is how he is supressing his vibrato. > Even when he does use vibrato it is forced and held, much unlike the > free and easy vibrato he had on Awake and ACoS. (I&W has too much > processing on the vocals to determine what James actually sounds > like.) FII it was getting worse and SFaM sounds like either an aging > James, or a truly talented singer trying to supress his natural and > learned technique in order to sound more commercial.
I couldn't agree with you more - I noticed this a ton in FII as well. I have always been severely impressed by JLB's free tone, especially up in the upper registers that I will never reach, myself being a baritone. The freeness of his vibrato really makes a difference in how his voice sounds, and yet recently he's been deciding not to use that and I am forced to wonder why as a result.
As a project for my hard disk multitrack recording class, I'm recording Hollow Years as kind of a tribute (when I'm finished with it, I'll post it so all you guys can hear it and tell me what an awful voice I have and how unsuited it is for DT songs. Heh). I've noticed how hard it is to keep my vibrato out of my voice and yet still sing with any semblance of a free tone. I think this might be part of the reason James didn't sing as much in the upper registers for SFaM as he did in the other albums - it's too much work for his voice to remain sounding free and still not use vibrato.
> MTV (and the rest of the media) has been feeding the public CRAP for > so long that now most of the weak-minded fools that make up the > American people have been brainwashed into thinking not only that they > like it, but that the hacks on TV who are singing/playing it are > actually talented.
I'm not even gonna touch this. Well, okay, maybe I will.
Being in college, I see every day how much the pop culture affects people. And to tell the outright truth, it REALLY scares me. I just got out of my Intro to Philosophy class, and it continues to amaze me that I have to answer almost every single question the teacher asks. This is not a result of me needing to feel validated or wanting to make others think I'm a brain. It's a result of the fact that none of the other people in the class think for themselves? Whatever happened to those awesome classes that require one to engage in a debate, or open discussion about a topic, or *gasp* QUESTIONING the teacher about stuff? Oh my God, it's blasphemy.
And it's all due to pop culture. Today in philosophy we talked about Descartes, and how he said that an evil genius could not convince you that you weren't real, because in order to convince you of anything, you need to have a mind, and without the mind, he'd be deceiving HIMSELF instead of YOU. This got me to thinking: What's the next best thing to convincing someone that he doesn't have a mind? Of course! Brainwashing him to the point that he still has a mind, but does whatever you say! People that don't think are the easiest to control, and as a result, that's what the pop culture and consumer culture stresses: Non-thinking.
That's the end of my rant for today.
--- Andrew loves societal debates, so thought he'd start one today.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:04:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5319 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0002181902530.1355-100000@localhost>
In accordance with the prophecy, Fran Brennan uttered:
> someone wrote:> "Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, > wealthy and wise." - > >Some dead guy. > > Shouldn't that be "Early to rise, early to bed, makes a man healthy, wealthy > and dead."? <~~~~~You, sir, are a genius! =^)
Well, someone is a genius but in this case it certainly isn't me. I read it in a Terry Pratchett book once.
Linus ============================================================================ Copy from one, it's plagiarism; copy from two, it's research. -- Wilson Mizner ============================================================================ lairfight@softhome.net, visit http://linusworld.cjb.net (PGP key available).
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:02:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5318 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0002181847060.1355-100000@localhost>
In accordance with the prophecy, Eckie uttered:
> > > "...Open your eyes, Nicholas!" *FARRRRRRRRRRRRRT <squirt>*. > > Really, I have listened to Adam Sandler's albums, and I don't think > what you > > wrote is in any way representative of his humour. > > I'd hope not. > (long post snipped)
You're right. What I wrote was immature, and everyone is allowed to have their own humour.
However, don't you consider writing a 50 line reply stating that I am in dire need of a blowjob, don't listen to heavy metal, and telling me to "SHUT YOUR MOUTH", to be throwing stones in a glass house? Now don't get me wrong; I enjoyed that reply, because it was fun. But it totally annihilated, IMHO, the credibility of your original statement.
The stuff about Jews I won't even comment.
> Whilst MY joke was directed towards a Dream Theater song which many of us > can't get enough of (GO SEE THIS CONCERT!!!!), you, sir posted a lengthy > addendum/correction to a Linus/Lucy/Snoopy/Peanuts "Where Are They Now" > thread that has gone on far too long.
And you, sir, obviously didn't spot the SFAM reference in it at all. Does that make us quits?
> ~Eckie says KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
Linus says Know your role.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:14:08 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: JP's live sound Message-ID: <00d101bf7a3b$f31f5800$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Yup, I agree whole heartedly that JP's live sound this tour is phenominal. Has anybody figured out what he uses to get the acoustic sound? That floored me. Or was he finger-syncing? :-)
Seriously, I was stunned everytime he played an acoustic part on the electric. It sounded, well, acoustic! Any clues?
Paul
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:22:46 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Guitar boot camp Message-ID: <38AD8DF6.DFEF2A9@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I've had students come to me and say "I put it in the case after you tuned > it, and I couldn't get it back in tune again, all week."
Isn't that one of the fundamentals a beginner learns: how to tune a guitar? What better way to learn than with one that constantly goes out of tune? :) Time to riding the beeetoches a little harder, Chris, no? ;)
I bought a piece of junk Yamaha classical for $50 in college. Had a screwdriver gouge down the backside of it. Action about 1 foot from the neck, which is shaped like the Golden Gate in a 7.5 on the Richter :)
I'll tell ya one thing about playing that for a while to the point to where I could make a sound without it buzzing. When I picked up an fancy electric, it was so easy to press the strings down.
Then again, I suck at guitar, so, so much for that theory. But I still have that $50 piece 'o junk and if I ever decide to go John-Belushi-in-Animal-House with it, I won't miss it :)
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:28:31 -0800 From: matt guillory <dali@best.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: My First Guitar Message-ID: <38AD8F4F.73848D75@best.com>
Yo
With all this talk about first guitars etc... I thought that I'd comment on a recent experience of mine. I purchased my first guitar (Ibanez PGM) not too long ago. I mainly got it to noodle on while watching TV. I am TOTALLY happy and have no regrets. The action is very comfortable, and the tone is quite good! Now if Paul could just give me lessons, I'd be set! ;o)P
Hasta,
-Matt
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:42:18 -0600 From: "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Anybody else notice this? Message-ID: <01ff01bf7a3f$e272dcd0$debf640a@kc.kemper.com>
> However, >has anyone else noticed this? Track 2, Overture 1928 from 2:09 --> 2:25. >I'm not a drummer, but listen to the hi-hat (I think). Mike is playing it >with his foot in the "up" position (whatever you call that). Does it sound >kind of "sloppy" to anyone else? It's like it's not a consistent sounding >hit, it's like it's in and out. Kind of hard to explain. But I was just >wondering if anyone else noticed. Minor complaint if you can call it that.
I was hoping to meet the band after the St. Louis show but I had to go home [sigh]. *If* I had a chance to converse with Mike or John P. I was going to ask about this specifically - in an otherwise brilliantly engineered album those dirty hi-hat bits are very glaring to me as well.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:02:19 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pickguards and JP's new guitar Message-ID: <000f01bf7a42$af154460$63bcfea9@madstation>
> I didn't really hear much of a difference in the sound between the two > guitars, well, not enough to take notice anyways. It was pretty funky > seeing this mini-fender being played with a sound so heavy coming > through the PA. It's so hard to be heavy when you're playing with a > pick guard. They're sorta like condoms for the guitar, now that I think > about it....and on that segue,
You are aware that every 7 string band, including a great deal of death metal, was up until recently pickguard guitar, right? Probably about half of metal is played on guitars with pickguards. I think you're wrong, bro. :)
Also, unless you were kidding earlier, I don't think there was a pickguard on the guitar. I was in the second row at Chicago, so I think I got a pretty good view, though perhaps there was a clear pickguard and I didn't notice... but no, I'm positive that I didn't see a pickguard.
For those who want to see what the guitar looked like, it's a cross between these two guitars:
http://www.ernieball.com/musicman/guitars/luke/index.html and http://www.ernieball.com/musicman/guitars/silhouette_special/index.html
It's not as contoured as the Luke, if I recall, having more of a Silhouette body shape, but the pickups are direct mounted. He has 2 humbuckers and a piezo or something similar in the actual bridge, not unlike the Parker Fly guitars. The guitar has 2 selector switches... one is a standard pickup selector, and the other is either to turn on the piezo or is a coil tap (they're both 3 way switches, by appearance, and one was more or less in the regular spot, while the other was closer to the cutaway, near the neck pickup). The guitar also had 3 knobs, most likely volume, tone, and piezo volume. Of course, it also had 2 output jacks, so he didn't have to feed the piezo's acoustic sound into a mesa stack! 24 frets, rosewood fretboard on a maple neck... maple headstock with NO LOGO of any sort on the headstock (maybe he started using it before he was through with Ibanez). I think that's everything.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:29:20 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: First bass Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.10.10002181519240.9190-100000@gs.bass.org>
I got my first bass when I was four. Grampa took me and my brother out on the old canoe to the middle of the lake. He showed me how to put my hands in the water and ecourage the fish to jump into them. Well, I was a little small and couldn't reach the water from inside the boat. My brother happily offered to assist me and dangled me headfirst in the water, holding my ankles. The biggest bass I ever saw, some have called it a six-stringer, swam through the water towards me. I reached out my hands and as it neared, I stretched out, hands frantically grasping. Unfortunately, my struggling caused my brother's grip to loosen and I plunged facefirst into the icy water. That's the one that got away. I caught a smaller one later that day.
The preceding story was a verke of fiction and was intended for the sole purpose of amusement. Copyrighted 2000.
paul NP Spock's Burp: *Blargh* Excuse ME.mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Father, I/ killed my monkey
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:31:32 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Pickguards and JP's new guitar Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000218132418.6252A-100000@email1.asu.edu>
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Christopher W. Ptacek brought a pile full of smack down to the picnic:
> You are aware that every 7 string band, including a great deal of death > metal, was up until recently pickguard guitar, right? Probably about half
Well, DUR! Where were most of these kids buying 7 string guitars from up until recently? Ibanez. What did 7 string Ibanezes have on them (until the recent arrival of RG 7's)? Pickguards.
};^)
It was just a passing thought, nothing to really mull over intently (I'm right, you're wrong, nya nya).
As for that direct recording discussion, does anybody know a good soundcard I can use to plug in a Rocktron Chameleon directly without frying the damned thing? I cremated my SB Live! and can't get this replacement standard SB card to multitrack in Cool Edit Pro. Email that response privately if you know of anything that could help, besides a sledgehammer and some beer.
And Linus, chill dude, go watch some WWF and you'll realize the "SHUT YOUR MOUTH" comment was just a quote from my favorite Superstar wrestler.
It just seemed to fit the email :D
~Eckie goes back to the dungeons of Architraz
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Punctuality... Message-ID: <20000218203633.5823.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
One thing I forgot to mention with regard to the current tour (Chicago, anyway): In hundreds of concerts, this is the first time I can remember everything being ON TIME. Show was supposed to start at 7:00 and BOOM the Dregs start at 7:00. Dregs finish and I go into 'Oh, God, here comes the 45 minute set change' mode. If the proceeding wait was 25 minutes, I'd be surprised.
I know it seems trivial, but I get so sick of waiting around, etc. It sounds stupid, but it's almost as if the bands are showing their appreciation of the crowd a little more then they are on top of things.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:24:59 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears... Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000218212459.01764ecc@pi-r-squared.com>
>Hell, I'd go with not only the longest song I can think of, but the most >offensive: SB's The Water! It's cool enough until that one section at the >end - "FUCK YOU!" all over the place. :) That'd be cool on the air, if >you ask me. >
Actually... the FU section is the only part of that song, I can listen to ;)
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Such nauseous hypocrisy which, stung by a threepenny tea tax, piles Bunker Hill with granites and statues, prating all the time of patriotism and broadswords, while, like another Pecksniff, it recommends a century of dumb submission and entire non-resistance to the Russians, who for a hundred years have seen their sons by thousands dragged to death or exile" -Wendell Phillips, 1881
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