YTSEJAM Digest 5321
Today's Topics:
1) RE: some thoughts (too many actually...)
by "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com>
2) Pink Floyd CDs
by "Degregory, David" <David.Degregory@ca.com>
3) RE: : JP's live sound
by "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com>
4) Mariah Carey
by Fett2002@aol.com
5) Re: The Spirit Carries On
by Fett2002@aol.com
6) RE: : JP's live sound
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5320
by Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
8) Marillion
by Amy Marie Van Wynsberghe <av909596@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
9) aha...
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
10) A long post... it's like 1998 all over again!
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
11) Re: Pink Floyd CDs
by "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
12) Stealth taping tips (long)...
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5314
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
14) Re:What EVERY FAN SHOULD HAVE
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
15) POP Culture/Beyond this Life Vocal FX
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
16) Re:What EVERY FAN SHOULD HAVE
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
17) Re: POP Culture/Beyond this Life Vocal FX
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
18) Re: Marillion
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
19) Ron Thal and the DTIFC thing again
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
20) Re: POP Culture/Beyond this Life Vocal FX
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5320
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:26:04 -0600
From: "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: some thoughts (too many actually...)
Message-ID: <005101bf7a56$c3549660$debf640a@kc.kemper.com>
Regarding artists 'suppressing their talent' to be more commercial or
whatever and how OFB is getting worse, Jame's vocals are in a lower register
and generally worse etc.
I can understand this position. However, I would offer a different
perspective - in their early years, Dream Theater were very much in a 'Look
what I can do!' mode. Stretching their wings and showing off their chops. I,
for one, heartily enjoy and welcomed the song-oriented approach to FII and I
absolutely *love* SFAM because the entire band is working to make the entire
concept work. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts - type of
approach. I think it shows how the group is maturing. I'm loving it.
To me, IAW sounds very dated with over-processed vocals and sampled
(sounding) snare etc.
I think OFB is just hitting their stride.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:33:37 -0500
From: "Degregory, David" <David.Degregory@ca.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pink Floyd CDs
Message-ID: <A5988AA007ACD311B7E4009027AA4EED0130F84C@usilms05.cai.com>
How does Delicate Sound of Thunder compare with Pulse?
Pink Floyd do have some great songs, but I agree that they can be a little
slow and put me to sleep at times.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:35:04 -0600
From: "Just Bart" <bchilders@kc.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: : JP's live sound
Message-ID: <005701bf7a58$04a97b70$debf640a@kc.kemper.com>
>Yup, I agree whole heartedly that JP's live sound this tour is phenominal.
>Has anybody figured out what he uses to get the acoustic sound? That
>floored me. Or was he finger-syncing? :-)
Piezo pickups - they are a different kind of transducer than traditional
electric guitar pickups, they reproduce a more natural or acoustic sound.
Many solid-body electric's are offering piezo transducers built-in, Godin
and Parker come to mind immediately. Also Bragg's makes a replacement bridge
for Strat-style guitar that has piezo transducers built-in etc.
Has anyone else who has seen the Metropolis 2K tour wondered why JP needs
*6* 4x12 cabinets? That's a whole boatload of speakers. I'm not that
familiar with his rig but man for the venues they are playing that sure
seems like serious overkill. Looks cool though. His sound is very, very
good. At the show in St. Louis I stood about 20 feet back from center stage
and his stage volume wasn't overpowering the PA at all (the PA was
unbelievably loud) so he is keeping the volume in check at least in that
respect.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:35:28 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mariah Carey
Message-ID: <aa.185ad0d.25df1520@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/18/00 4:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Marc Anthony's big hit single has him singing a song with about an octave
range. Maybe less. Mariah Carey was forced to stop showcasing her talents
in order to sell more records. That sucks! Here's this girl with these
amazing abilities, and people who are either intimidated by it or jealous
say, "oh, that's annoying." I'll never understand how so many people in
this country can hear a talented singer and say "eew, that's annoying. I
just want to hear people sing how they talk." That's like saying "I just
want to hear someone play the piano like he types." I'm not really a big
fan of Mariah Carey's chosen style of music (the soul stuff. I like the
poppy stuff), but I'll always watch her video just to marvel at her
technique (and her boobs). >>
Well, I'll say it again then. I always found Mariah's voice to be very
annoying. Yeah, he has great vocal range but in those eraly days she just
kind shouted randomly for no apparent reason. It gave me a headache and
nearly broke all my damn windows as well! Just my opinion, of course. And I
too will generally watch her videos to marvel at her boobs. remeber when she
was all conservative and stuff? Now, she's just basicaly a slut and proud of
it! Amen to THAT though!
-Mike C.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:40:32 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The Spirit Carries On
Message-ID: <2d.17782a6.25df1650@aol.com>
Speaking of The Sprit Carries On, does anyone else sense that JP is like THAT
close to playing the main riff from Shine On You Crazy Diamond? the first
couple of notes to his solo are the same I think.
-Mike C.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:53:03 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: : JP's live sound
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117B7C@MESSAGING>
> Has anyone else who has seen the Metropolis 2K tour wondered why JP needs
> *6* 4x12 cabinets? That's a whole boatload of speakers. I'm not that
> familiar with his rig but man for the venues they are playing that sure
> seems like serious overkill.
Well, he uses a stereo image (for stereo effects like delay, chorus, etc.).
Think of the 6 speaker cabs as 3 full-stacks and it all makes sense. He
feeds the effected left channel to the left full-stack, the effected right
channel to the right full-stack, and the un-effected dry signal to the
center full-stack. I'm just glad as hell I'm not his roadie (or his
roadie's back)... :)
David
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:04:02 +0100 (CET)
From: Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5320
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002190000500.970-100000@holly.sbbs.se>
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:26:26 +0000
> From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: first basses & Richard Marx
> Message-ID: <38AD80C2.8D34295E@sdts.nu>
>=20
>=20
> Nick Giannotti wrote:
>=20
> > Heh - mine was a Hondo. Red P-Bass copy, and it was so heavy that I mig=
=3D
> ht
> > as well have strapped an anvil to my chest and banged it with a hammer.
>=20
> Since english is not my native language, and I'm very curious by nature, =
=3D
> I was
> wondering what an "anvil" is?
>=20
Ett st=E4d...
Har du alrig h=F6rt Judas Priest l=E5ten "Between the hammer and the anvil"=
?
Ha det bra!
Erik
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:08:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Amy Marie Van Wynsberghe <av909596@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Marillion
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.1000218170509.16783A-100000@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Does anybody know where I can get a taste of both "eras" of Marillion's
music. I am trying to expand my music collection...but I dont' like buying
cds without hearing a sampling of the tunes first, so I thought that
before I would go search the web for mp3s I would ask here.
Thanks,
Amy
If you choose not to decide, by our silence
you still have made a choice or by the stand we take,
Rush we too shall enter the fray
"Freewill" off of Permanent Waves Albert Camus
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:17:23 -0800
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: aha...
Message-ID: <016601bf7a5d$ee496d80$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Thanks for the info on JP's guitar, Chris... I wasn't close enough to the
stage to catch the piezo details... I'm still amazed at the sound... I
wonder if he uses one of those acoustic amps as well???
And Andrew, I agree with you completely... Hey, wait a minute!!! :-)
Paul
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:40:35 -0600
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: A long post... it's like 1998 all over again!
Message-ID: <000901bf7a61$482d2dc0$0fc3fea9@madstation>
> range. Maybe less. Mariah Carey was forced to stop showcasing her
talents
> in order to sell more records. That sucks! Here's this girl with these
I would almost rather hear the background tracks she lays down than the main
vocal melodies... or hear her doing technical exercises and stuff... I have
always wanted to know exactly how much she can do. Certainly an amazing
quality of voice, even if you hate her music.
> Since english is not my native language, and I'm very curious by nature,
> I was wondering what an "anvil" is?
Besides being the heaviest track on Marty Friedman's Dragon's Kiss
album, it's the really heavy large metallic thing that is regularly dropped
on that wacky Coyote in the cartoons, and originally used as the base that a
blacksmith would put a piece of hot metal on before hammering it to bloody
hell.
> Seriously, I was stunned everytime he played an acoustic part on the
> electric. It sounded, well, acoustic! Any clues?
Read the last jam... I'm not sure what he used for "acoustic"
amplification... but I'm pretty sure I know how he got that sound.
> Isn't that one of the fundamentals a beginner learns: how to tune a
> guitar? What better way to learn than with one that constantly goes out
> of tune? :) Time to riding the beeetoches a little harder, Chris, no? ;)
Yeah, and I could cut a toe off each time they make a mistake too, but
sooner or later it will become too much for most students and they'll have
to limp home, never to return. When you can avoid the problem, it's
probably in your best interest to do so. Looking back, I have no idea how I
managed to learn to tune as a beginner, considering I didn't even SEE one of
them electronic tuner deals until I had been playing for a while. I hate it
when a student buys one of them... it's like saying "I don't want to learn
to use my ear."
> From: matt guillory <dali@best.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: My First Guitar
> Message-ID: <38AD8F4F.73848D75@best.com>
My first keyboard was a Casio SK-1. Now if I could get some lessons
with Guillory (the most noteworthy Casio endorsee) I'd be all hooked up!
Seriously, I saw my first PGM at NAMM this year. What a fucking steal that
guitar is!
> > You are aware that every 7 string band, including a great deal of death
> > metal, was up until recently pickguard guitar, right? Probably about
half
>
> Well, DUR! Where were most of these kids buying 7 string guitars from up
> until recently? Ibanez. What did 7 string Ibanezes have on them (until
the
> recent arrival of RG 7's)? Pickguards.
Yeah, um... that was kind of my point. Did I miss something? There
aren't too many recordings that are a whole lot heavier than Morbid Angel's
Domination, like it or hate it.
> As for that direct recording discussion, does anybody know a good
soundcard I
> can use to plug in a Rocktron Chameleon directly without frying the damned
> thing? I cremated my SB Live! and can't get this replacement standard SB
card
> to multitrack in Cool Edit Pro. Email that response privately if you
> know of anything that could help, besides a sledgehammer and some beer.
Oh boy... here's a huge can of worms. I guess it comes down to a few
questions... how pro do you need to sound? There's a SHITLOAD of gear on
the market, but I only found out quite recently how weak a lot of it is.
The vast majority of what they sell at places like guitar center is not
nearly as good as it claims to be. Still, most of it is adequate for a
little home computer studio setup. Drop me an email and we can discuss it.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:38:30 -0500
From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd CDs
Message-ID: <000b01bf7a60$e2283c40$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com>
Pulse is better because there's a complete live set of Dark Side of the
Moon. Delicate pretty much has the mainstream songs on it. I'm not saying
Delicate is bad, it's just that I think Pulse is a better live set. Piece.
----- Original Message -----
]From: Degregory, David <David.Degregory@ca.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 4:41 PM
Subject: Pink Floyd CDs
>
> How does Delicate Sound of Thunder compare with Pulse?
>
> Pink Floyd do have some great songs, but I agree that they can be a little
> slow and put me to sleep at times.
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:47:13 -0500
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Stealth taping tips (long)...
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000218170659.009bf3c0@mindspring.com>
Hey folks...
I've taped quite a few shows (mostly non-stealth, like Widespread Panic)
and was hoping to pass along a few things I've learned that might help some
people taping the current tour. First, though, I'd like to thank everyone
who's been taping and sharing with everyone. Stealth taping can be a
bitch, so getting ANY recording is a feat right off the bat.
That being said, several of the recent shows are of pretty poor quality,
and a lot of that isn't necessary. So here's a few tips to hopefully help
Dream Theater recordings avoid sounding like someone taped it with the
built-in microphone on the My First Sony cassette deck. :-)
1. If you're going to be taping a good bit (obviously not just DT) and are
serious about sound, get a DAT. Contrary to popular belief, Minidiscs
aren't CD/DAT quality and use lossy compression to squeeze 74 minutes on a
disc that size. I've compared plenty of Minidisc and DAT recordings off
the same mics/rig and the DATs _always_ come out sounding substantially
crisper, cleaner, and less muddy. Of course, there's also the problem with
only have 74 minutes to work with per disc, so you've often got to switch
out during a song, unless you use 2 MD recorders. You can equate Minidisc
recordings, in general, to high-quality mp3s (192 or 256kbs). Yeah, it's
fine for listening on computer speakers, but it's not going to cut it for
the discerning listener.
Of course, no matter whether you're using DAT, MD, or smuggled in a
full-sized consumer CD-R recorder, it doesn't mean anything if your mics
suck. So...
2. It all depends on the mics. You can have the best recorder in the
world and it won't matter if you're using $50 mics. Decent mics are NOT
cheap. At Widespread Panic shows you won't see any mics costing less than
$200 a pair, and those are the low end ones. If you're on a tight budget
there are some not-too-bad mics out there (Coresound Low Cost Stealths are
tolerable for about $130 with battery pack), but make SURE you get a
battery pack or preamp that supports a bass rolloff feature. The biggest
problem with cheap mics is that they're way too sensitive to bass, so you
get muddy, boomy, tapes that sound like they were either recorded from
about 10 miles away or that simply distort from the bass levels. The bass
rolloff makes sure you can actually hear the guitar, vocals, etc.
3. I just said that mics are the most important thing to stealthing a
show, but I'm full of shit. :) The REALLY important thing in stealthing
is the same law that applies to Real Estate investment - location,
location, location. If you're standing with your friends at the bar and
are behind a dozen 7 foot tall monsters, your tape is going to reflect
it. It obviously depends on the venue, but a few general rules still
apply. First, tall people often come out with better stealth tapes than
short people. Nothing against short people - it's just physics. If you
have 1500 people standing directly in front of you and you can't see the
stage, you can assume your mics can't see it well either. The front few
rows of a balcony (in the center, preferably) are usually much better than
standing directly in front of the soundboard, but behind everyone and his
mother.
Also, don't stand too near a wall or right under the balcony, if
possible. You're going to get all kinds of echo and reverb if you
do. Bottom line is that the place that's the most fun to be at a show is
almost never the best place to tape - you've got to decide how dedicated
you are to bringing home a choice recording.
4. Levels - general rule is that too low is much better than too
high. Low levels can be fixed when you transfer the recording to CD, but
high levels with distortion can't be helped. Also, if you're using Sony
Minidisc products, make sure not to use the Autolevel feature. It's fine
for voice recordings, lectures, etc, but it's very flawed for live music
taping. Much better to set the levels manually (if you can - some Sonys
can't) during the opening band.
Obviously, a lot of this depends on who you're taping and where, but
hopefully at least some of this was helpful to someone. If anyone is
taping, or has taped, the current tour, please get in touch with me if
you'd like to trade. Also, if you're taping Atlanta or Orlando please get
in touch as I'd like to talk to yas...
Everyone have a great weekend!
Adam
_________________________________________________
Adam Pye
alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1
^^ Above URL for tape/cd list
__________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:02:21 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5314
Message-ID: <20000218.165726.11590.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
<Naked voluptuous lesbians sure didn't hinder the Motley Crue act when
they toured Phoenix with the Scorps last year :D>
I wish all rock shows were like that one. That ruled. Who was the Scorps
drummer? I was impressed with his solo, but he wastes his talent playing
Rock Like a Hurricane.
Kurt
"and though it leads to nowhere,
you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone"
"Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred"
45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:59:10 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:What EVERY FAN SHOULD HAVE
Message-ID: <20000218.165726.11590.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
My room! LOL hehe
I think this years fan club CD is a must. I really like the boot "When
Dream and James/Today Unite. Its Labrie singing all the songs from the
first album, WDADU. The Lost Paris tapes boot is cool, all of the stuff
that did not make the Live CD, including a fuck up by James leaving Mike
singing accupella.(sp?) pretty funny stuff. I have th Awake flag, which
is cool artwork to have hanging on a wall. Also I just got the NY Irving
plaza 3 cam video, with audion from the soundboard. Probably the best
booted video Ive ever seen.
Kurt
NP-QR: OM
"and though it leads to nowhere,
you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone"
"Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred"
45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:22:38 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: POP Culture/Beyond this Life Vocal FX
Message-ID: <20000218.172243.11590.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
To the guy who was speaking of culture this is big time evident at my
school, Southeastern Louisiana University (SLU). Everyone is so much like
high school. You are looked at funny if you are not wearing GAP,
Abercrombie, or any other brand that charges 30 dollars for a t-shirt. It
goes far deeper than this. My scholl is one of thoses were greek
organizations are "the thing" Hell, I know for a fact that if you are a
girl in PHi Mu, you HAVE to date a guy thats in a fraternity. This is
sickening to me. People are almost like robots, they are programmed and
told what to do. This is when I pop in Dead Poets Society and realize the
brillance in this movie. THINK FOR YOURSELF. Its everywhere though. I
sit in the Union eating and we get the "College Television Network".
Basically we are force fed a worse version of MTV. We get the Spears,
Agulera, Carey, but instead of the boy bands its these whining pussies
singing about nothing. Take Our Lady Peace and make them 10 times more
puss-fied. I am SUPPOSED to like this crap because its college music. BMG
was signing people up, and I was looking and asked where the metal, and
the woman said "We only have "College" music. Is this some new genre?
Anyway I'm done. I hate society.
DTC:Has anyone noticed in Beyond this life when James is singin "they
continued to investigate...." taht part, put headphones on and listen in
the right channel, there is this cool vocal reverb thing happenin. Just
had to share.
Kurt
NP-DT SFAM
"and though it leads to nowhere,
you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone"
"Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred"
45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:35:56 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:What EVERY FAN SHOULD HAVE
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000218183537.00a21cb0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
The lost paris tapes? I would love to hear that. never even knew it
existed. Still waiting for xmas CD.
At 06:06 PM 2/18/00 , you wrote:
>My room! LOL hehe
>
>I think this years fan club CD is a must. I really like the boot "When
>Dream and James/Today Unite. Its Labrie singing all the songs from the
>first album, WDADU. The Lost Paris tapes boot is cool, all of the stuff
>that did not make the Live CD, including a fuck up by James leaving Mike
>singing accupella.(sp?) pretty funny stuff. I have th Awake flag, which
>is cool artwork to have hanging on a wall. Also I just got the NY Irving
>plaza 3 cam video, with audion from the soundboard. Probably the best
>booted video Ive ever seen.
>
>Kurt
>NP-QR: OM
>
>
>"and though it leads to nowhere,
> you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone"
>"Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred"
>45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
>
>________________________________________________________________
>YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
>Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
>Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:36:38 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: POP Culture/Beyond this Life Vocal FX Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002181832580.45762-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Kurt M Hampton wrote:
> Its everywhere though. I sit in the Union eating and we get the > "College Television Network". Basically we are force fed a worse > version of MTV. We get the Spears, Agulera, Carey, but instead of the > boy bands its these whining pussies singing about nothing. Take Our > Lady Peace and make them 10 times more puss-fied. I am SUPPOSED to > like this crap because its college music. BMG was signing people up, > and I was looking and asked where the metal, and the woman said "We > only have "College" music. Is this some new genre? Anyway I'm done. > I hate society.
It's kinda worse here - our college radio station only plays rap and college-band grunge metal. I'm on the editorial staff at our school newspaper and we run a bit called The Sounding Board, where a small group of us (like five people) listen to a CD and then rate it. So far, we've done the new Korn album (which I actually, surprisingly, LIKED), the new Rage album, and two unheards (indie labels). I won a small battle this week, though, because for next week's paper guess what album we're rating. Yep, that's right: Scenes From a Memory. I said it's only fair that we review a variety of music and as such used prog as an example. I said that people are too prejudiced against it and most people that I play DT and LTE and others for find that once they get over the fact that it's not normal, it's actually good stuff.
I'm hoping that they end up really liking it. :)
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:22:03 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Marillion Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002181919120.7471-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
i think the cd is called best of both worlds, that has songs from both "era's" either way you can go to www.marillion.com and they have song clips. Here's the URL for that one i mentioned
http://www.marillion.com/discog/bobw/index.html
I started out listening to Marillion with Essential Collection and Made Again, which is a kickass live double cd..
-Robb
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Amy Marie Van Wynsberghe wrote:
> > > Does anybody know where I can get a taste of both "eras" of Marillion's > music. I am trying to expand my music collection...but I dont' like buying > cds without hearing a sampling of the tunes first, so I thought that > before I would go search the web for mp3s I would ask here. > > Thanks, > Amy > > If you choose not to decide, by our silence > you still have made a choice or by the stand we take, > Rush we too shall enter the fray > "Freewill" off of Permanent Waves Albert Camus > > > >
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:34:31 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ron Thal and the DTIFC thing again Message-ID: <200002190034.TAA31183@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in ytsejam@torchsong.com's basement typed:
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:48:52 -0600 > From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> > Subject: First Bass/Guitar, a side note > > 1). Tuning/Intonation. The really cheap, and really cheesy beginner > instruments RARELY have decent hardware, as it pertains to tuners and > bridges. This is a MUCH MUCH bigger problem than you would think.
After reading Gerb's post, and now Mads' post, my mind has been opened to the idea that a beginner shouldn't get the cheapest thing they can. Thanks, guys.
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> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:06:56 -0700 > From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> > Subject: Guitarist in the Blue Period, and Esteban > > Buy Ron Thal disks and spread the gospel of zany to the unborn ears! > HALLELUJIA! (Damn it, Pickacheck, you had to expose me to that > lunatic's wonderful music...and now I don't know what isn't music > anymore!)
Holy shit, Ron Thal's insane. I can't remember now whether it was Bafu or Mads that got me to buy a Ron Thal disc, but the argument he presented was: "When Steve Vai has nightmares, they feature the music of Ron Thal."
If any of you want to hear some, <plug>tune in to D-Man's Disco Inferno at http://www.seismicradio.com on Tuesday night at 20:00 EST and request some.</plug>
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> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:40:10 +0000 (GMT) > From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> > Subject: I saw Yes > > I went to see Yes last night in Glasgow. I didn't know any of the songs, > but I quite enjoyed it. The Russian keyboard player was very cool; Steve > Howe's guitar playing was extremely sloppy.
Saw them at NYC's Beacon Theater (great place - no bad seats) back in December. Igor is terrifyingly good. Yeah, Steve's sloppy, but I wouldn't take him any other way. That sound, to me, is (other than Squire's tone and Anderson's voice) what *makes* a Yes album. With the singular exception of "Changes," I just can't listen to YesWest. Trevor Rabin sounds so sterile.
Besides, at least Howe's more exciting than Billy "Sherwood be nice to play more than just boring rhythm parts". :)
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> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:49:39 EST > From: MTeiper@aol.com > Subject: Re: Piling On Kirby > > Actually, my take on Rob's original post was that he's not blaming Kirby > directly for the CD delay (which it sounded like you were implying in your > post, d-man).
My sincere apologies to Rob if I misunderstood him. But I had seen a lot of posts in the Jams before that one bitching and moaning about "Where's my damned CD? This system sucks" and all that, and I felt that Kirby deserved some backup.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:18:43 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: POP Culture/Beyond this Life Vocal FX Message-ID: <20000219011843.3092.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> wrote: > puss-fied.
Is this even a word? If not, it is now. I like it. And OLP are a bunch of pussies.
> I am SUPPOSED to like this crap because > its college music. BMG was signing people up, and I > was looking and asked where the metal, and the woman > said "We only have "College" music. Is this some new > genre? Anyway I'm done. I hate society.
No offense to any women on this list, or women in general, but that sounds like something an *ignorant* woman might say. I've noticed that women seem to be more prone to listening to shitty pop music to the exclusion of everything else moreso than a guy. 'Course there's an exception for every rule (although I've yet to find one for this one). Like I said, I'm not trying to offend anyone, just stating what's on my mind. = *Trent
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:51:44 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5320 Message-ID: <000d01bf7a7b$e33487e0$0200010a@steve>
> > > >The Band is called Spock's Beard and not Spock's Bears. The're named > > > >after the one episode of Star Track where Spock has a Beard (this is > > > >the truth!). > > > > And yet, no, it's not. There was no episode of Star Trek called "Spock's > > where did the person claim that was the title? they were describing the > episode. the operative word 'where' allows one to properly grok the > smeantics.
No, it doesn't. When a thing (for example a band called "Spock's Beard") is *named after* something else, it is implied that they share the exact same name. If my brother Bob always wears a pork-pie hat, and someday I have a son and want to name him after my brother, I'm not going to call the kid Bob's Pork Pie Hat. the operative word certainly isn't "where." It's "named after."
> > This message brought to you by nothing in particular. > > Including a clue. In fact, the episode was called "Mirror, Mirror"
Thank you. I had forgotten.
> >ODTC*: Has anyone who has seen the new tour noticed whether James is using > >ear mould-monitors on this tour? > > I don't think so. Every once in awhile he was sticking his finger in his > ear to make sure he was in key. Regardless, he gave a spectacular > performance, imo.
That's good to know. Thanks.
Still, I can't help but wonder how much better he'd sound with in-ear monitors. I have seen on numerous award shows and Woodstock performances that the singers who use in-ear monitors just make the singers who don't sound completely tone-deaf.
> > I would put ACoS over SFaM any day of the week and twice on Sunday. > > He is certainly at his most emotive on this album, but his technique > > is just not there... > > I couldn't agree with you more - I noticed this a ton in FII as well. I > have always been severely impressed by JLB's free tone, especially up in > the upper registers that I will never reach, myself being a baritone. The > freeness of his vibrato really makes a difference in how his voice sounds, > and yet recently he's been deciding not to use that and I am forced to > wonder why as a result.
I know. It breaks my heart to think that it's from age, or even worse, screaming over a guitarist and drummer that just want to turn everything up up up.
Anytime a singer sings with a completely straight tone, that is an obvious sign that there is tension somewhere in the vocal mechanism. Vibrato not only sounds good, but it is the very by-product of a healthily-produced tone. Not that a minor-third wobble makes one a talented singer - save that for Bette Midler (yuck!) and those aging Wagner singers. But a freer larynx will help James (or any singer) sing higher, longer, and more in tune.
(The dirtly little secret is James is a baritone, too. Shhhh.)
> It's not as contoured as the Luke, if I recall, having more of a Silhouette > body shape, but the pickups are direct mounted. He has 2 humbuckers and a > piezo or something similar in the actual bridge, not unlike the Parker Fly > guitars. The guitar has 2 selector switches... one is a standard pickup > selector, and the other is either to turn on the piezo or is a coil tap > (they're both 3 way switches, by appearance, and one was more or less in the > regular spot, while the other was closer to the cutaway, near the neck > pickup). The guitar also had 3 knobs, most likely volume, tone, and piezo > volume. Of course, it also had 2 output jacks, so he didn't have to feed > the piezo's acoustic sound into a mesa stack! 24 frets, rosewood fretboard > on a maple neck... maple headstock with NO LOGO of any sort on the headstock > (maybe he started using it before he was through with Ibanez). I think > that's everything.
Yes, but what COLOR? :)
Thanks for the description. That's even better than a picture, I think.
Steve Z
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