YTSEJAM Digest 5323
Today's Topics:
1) Cool metal e-zine...
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
2) Re: Trent's slam on women
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
3) Re: Pop Culture
by Fett2002@aol.com
4) Re: Voices
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) RE: Pop Culture
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
6) Boston Ticket for Sale
by "Brendan Schulman" <bmschulman@hotmail.com>
7) Tradewinds on Sunday
by INNSOUL@aol.com
8) opening bands
by Michael Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
9) Art For Art's Sake ...
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
10) Re: Art For Art's Sake ...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5322
by DWADESTER@aol.com
12) Re: Art For Art's Sake ...
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: Voices
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
14) Re: Art For Art's Sake ...
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
15) Ibanez JPM Advice Required
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
16) Thanks!
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
17) Re: ear mould monitors (KJLB)
by "MattyMo" <mattymo@mattymo.com>
18) NYC show
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
19) Re: NYC show
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
20) If that ain't a kick in the ...
by "Jim Brown" <jmbst116+@pitt.edu>
21) RE: If that ain't a kick in the ...
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
22) Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears...
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
23) Petrucci's blue ernie ball
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
24) vocals
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
25) "FinnYtsecon" in March?
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
26) Dave mustaine on vh1
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
27) RG220, JP vs Ibanez, rants against S.Howe and SFaM
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:50:39 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>,
Subject: Cool metal e-zine...
Message-ID: <38AEC9DF.AD9EAE0E@ivorygate.com>
Just a quick plug for a good metal e-zine (lots of reviews, news, etc...)
Detritus Rock/Metal e-zine - http://detritus.web.com
Check it out...
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<------------------------------
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Trent's slam on women Message-ID: <20000219174433.5007.qmail@web505.mail.yahoo.com>
> I happen to be a women and Trent's post makes me > want to roar(ha ha).
Did you even read my post or did you just read the part that you wanted to object to? > I listen to bands such as Rush, Yes, King's X, Fates > Warning,(just starting > to get into Spock's Bears) etc. And DT is of course > my all time favorite.
Good for you, we're all impressed, I assure you.
===== *Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue. People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes. There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them. So I try to forget them anyway I can." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:09:39 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pop Culture Message-ID: <ba.1d77f8f.25e03663@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/19/00 12:01:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< I can't speak for everyone, but I've never heard that. That's about as close to an open admission of sheep-dom as you're ever going to get. I've never kept tabs and taken surveys, but I use my g/f as a measuring stick for other people. She likes pretty much all pop music. She takes a dim view of my fandom of r.e.m., Pearl Jam, DT, and the other bands that I really enjoy. The emotional content of those bands are lost on here. Pop music (which appeals to her) seems to be "from me to you" love poem shlock songs. Not always. Every now and then, you'll get something special (again, Dixie Chicks). But usually, what you get is Britney Spears. *sigh* >>
What I hate is how the majority of people in general will listen to whatever top 40 radio shoves down their throats. No matter what song is played, as long as is played pretty constantly, then a lot of people are going to go out and buy the CD becasue they are just very stupid. Basically, these stations decide what people are going to listen to. Do people have to buy it? No, of course not but there are a lot of people that are very stupid and buy the stuff just becasue radio tells them that it is popular and that if it 's popular it must be good. Prime example here would be Vanilla Ice. Now, everyone know he sucked. I asssume that most, if not all, people on this list have had the opinion that he sucked from the start. The thing that kills me is that it id now the public preception as well that he sucked. YET, a lot of these people who now hold this "opinion" like Puff Daddy's muisic!. They just don't understand that Puff Daddy is pretty much the same thing as Vanilla Ice!
Now, as far as females being more succeptible to things like this than males, well I don't know in general. But, I do think that the most succeptible group id TEENAGE females. Basically, all ya have to do is get a good lookin guy )or guys), dress them well, write some cheesy cliched pop tunes for them, and the teenage girls wil bite. This does not tend to happen for males of ANY age. I've never heard of men buying the CD of an artist or band mainly because the girl or girls were good looking. For example, I think Shania Twain is damn hot, as I'm sure a lot of other men do. But I don't want to buy here CD's because I just don't like here musuc one bit. would the same be true for women? I can't say for sure, but let's bring up Marc Anthony as an example. Would any women buy that Cd if he still had the same voice but weighed 290 lbs? I seriously doubt it. Same is true for Ricky (ugh) Martin. I don't think that album of his would have sold 12 copies if it were some fat guy singing Livin the Vida Loca. -Mike C.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:17:41 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Voices Message-ID: <001601bf7b05$9d0b9c60$0200010a@steve>
> all I ever play... As for Janeane Garoafalo <sp for > last name?>, she's a role model. Everyone likes her. > Or they should... :o)
Enh. I think she is good for all the little girls in this country because she doesn't skew their perceptions of what a woman is. I'm glad she doesn't feel the need to wear makeup all the time (though when she does wear makeup, she looks great). I wish she'd bathe once in a while. Other than that, I just don't think she's very funny.
> > (The dirty little secret is James is a baritone, too. Shhhh.) > > I thought I was the ONLY guy who thought this. James has a very deep tone > for a tenor. While it IS possible for a tenor to have a deep tone (he > just isn't considered a "lyric" tenor at that point), the real key point > is the range.
I think the thing that gives it away is, not so much the range, but his passaggii (plural of passaggio, hereafter referred to as "breaks"). It's really hard to hear when James shifts from his chest voice into his middle voice, because MOST of what he sings is in middle voice. But I really think James's breaks - from chest to middle and from middle to head - are in the same places as mine, B3 and E4, making him a lyric baritone. Of course, categories suck, so I don't really want to lump anyone into a category. But if we want to use clinical terminology like tenor, baritone, etc., we should observe the parameters of that terminology. Even though I sing baritone solo stuff (that's just what I sound like), for choral stuff I usually sing tenor because the bass stuff is just too low. I get down to that Ab2 and I'm just choking!
> That's a real key thing that shows that he's not meant to sing that high > and that he's in fact damaging his voice when he tries to do it for too > long. I mean, I have a range that lets me sing up to high A's and Bb's > and even C or D on a good day (when I'm SCREAMING, that is), but it > doesn't mean I should be able to do it all the time. And I'm considered a > HIGH baritone.
Yeah. I'd consider James a REALLY HIGH baritone. :)
Lately, I would be inclined to agree that maybe James was not meant to sing up there in soprano-land. Lately the rasp in his voice is just sounding less colorful and more strained. Maybe now it's damaging him, but I listen to Innocence Faded and the Winter Rose CD and To Live Forever '91 and I truly believe that he was perfectly technically sound in those areas, and that he could be again with only a little work I just hope that too much touring isn't hurting his instrument. Because as Indiana Jones once said "It's not the years; it's the mileage."
> This is the second time I write to this list but have been on the list for about five months. Here > has been very good information about JP's new guitar but I'm not sure if anyone has told > anything about the bridge except that it is Piezo pickupped one. So DOES Petrucci's new > Music Man have a Floyd Rose tremolo? I don't know much about these Piezo pickups so my > question can be a stupid one but who cares..
I didn't know Floyd Rose made or licensed any trems with piezos in them. I know Parker and PRS trems can have them. I would bet that Wilkinsons can too. I don't know about the Floyds, though. Can they be equipped with a piezo?
> whatever happened to that site, 'lines in the sand' I believe, that used to > post a link on the jam every week with new mp3's and stuff? I really liked > that place =^)
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:40:43 -0500 From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Pop Culture Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMCEJJEEAA.td4235@ship.edu>
> Same is true for Ricky (ugh) Martin. I > don't think > that album of his would have sold 12 copies if it were some fat > guy singing > Livin the Vida Loca.
Maybe if it was Livin La Vida Porka... anyway, I totally agree with you. Those bands are manufactured. They aren't intended to be real music. They are intended to make money. So they find some good looking highschool drop-outs and dress them up nice, give them implants and send them into the studio to "sing" through sound processors to make them sound half decent. I think a reason that they remain popular is becuase people today are afraid to go against the pop culture. A few of my friends think I am insane because I don't like Dave Matthews Band. I mean I recongize his talent but I don't like the music. And I'm not about to pretend to like the music just be cause MTV says I should. I even went to a DMB concert a few years ago. And it was terrible, it was me and 30,000 drunk 15 year old girls screaming. I actually enjoy tellin people I listen to Dream Theater. "Who the hell is Dream Theater?" Ha Ha I explain who they are and then let them borrow a cd to listen to. So far everybody that I have given the CD to likes them. Kind of interesting.. -Tim
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:47:19 EST From: "Brendan Schulman" <bmschulman@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Boston Ticket for Sale Message-ID: <20000219184720.16758.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi. I need to be somewhere on the night of the Boston show (Feb 27th), but I's hate for my ticket to go to waste. Is anyone interested in it for a reasonable price (no profit intended)?
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:32:06 EST From: INNSOUL@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Tradewinds on Sunday Message-ID: <9c.1c04adf.25e049b6@aol.com>
Anybody going?
Sean <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music/MoneyForTheToll">Money For The Toll</A >
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:37:36 -0600 From: Michael Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: opening bands Message-ID: <l03020900b4d499c36e4f@[209.224.19.43]>
Tim Detman wrote; >Ok, I see all these posts about how great the show is from Dream Theater, >that is a given. I can't wait to see them rip up the house, I wouldn't >expect anything less from them! But what about these opening bands I keep >hearing about? How much ass do the Dixie Dregs kick? Has anybody seen the >"Star pepople?" they are supposed to open in Orlando in 2 weeks and i'll be >there.
]From Zap/Pam I loved the Dreg's set!! You can't lose when you have Steve Morse on guitar, and the amazing Rod Morgenstein on drums. Be sure to watch Rod play, he has a lot of energy and enthusiasm! I don't know how much Dreg's you have heard, I think they sound like a 70's version of Liquid Tension Experiment with a heavy southern accent. The only Cd I have of theirs is "What If", it's a re-issue from 1978. My favorite track is Odyssey, and they did play that. Steve Morse mentioned they have a new live Cd out, I may pick that up if I can find it. I was lucky, because I went home with one of Rod's sticks. I would like to say thanks again to the guy who gave it to me, He had noticed that I was really into the Dregs(just about eveyone else was sitting down, come on people they rocked!) and just handed the stick to us after he caught it. DT fans are the greatest! The show was scheduled to start at 7:00, and the Dregs went on at 7:00. We got to our seats at 6:30 and the Star people were almost done. From what we did hear I wish we had been there earlier . Their violinist was great!! If you are open minded about music I think you might like the Star People. They are very theatrical and spacey(they are aliens from a 2 dimensional planet and are finding it interesting adapting to our 3-D earth). I warned you, be open minded!!
Go early -do not miss the dregs!!!
Zap
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:06:07 EST From: DTGirl2612@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Art For Art's Sake ... Message-ID: <ab.d61c8f.25e051af@aol.com>
Money for God's sake ...
;-)
>On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, mikel pontificated: > >> This type of thing is spouted by new age hippies and the like, >> where people make art for arts sake. But what is the purpose of art? > >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:17:04 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Art For Art's Sake ... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002191515530.953-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 DTGirl2612@aol.com wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, mikel pontificated: > >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake.
I don't make art for ART'S sake. I make art for MY sake. 'Nuff said.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:31:17 EST From: DWADESTER@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5322 Message-ID: <6.26132c9.25e05795@aol.com>
I am a big fan of dream theater.they were just here a few weeks ago in Chicago. I did not know that they were headlining. I noticed that on the highway star, deep purples or official web site. That they were supposed to play the same club on the same night. So I was under the understanding that dream creator would be openingdelete previous four lines delete previback
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:00:44 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Art For Art's Sake ... Message-ID: <001301bf7b1c$632f2cc0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> > On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 DTGirl2612@aol.com wrote: > > > >On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, mikel pontificated: > > >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake.
Art for art's sake is crap. There is no point it is just used as an excuse for the moron to feel creative. I personally like Dali, but his lobster telephone, and other things like that, just about everything mixed medium, the paintings in coffee shops are crap. If you want to be an artist don't create art for art's sake, create art for your sake, and don't tell me you have an emotional connection to that giant horse made of welded together car parts.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:19:53 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Voices Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000219221953.017a11c0@pi-r-squared.com>
I'm no vocalist or anything, but my perception of SFAM was that James was sounding better than he had since I&W. The vocals sounded cleaner and more effortless than anything I can remember him doing on FII (Awake doesn't really count, they were trying something different vocals wise, there).
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:28:31 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Art For Art's Sake ... Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000219222831.0177978c@pi-r-squared.com>
At 01:08 PM 2/19/00 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > >> >> On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 DTGirl2612@aol.com wrote: >> >> > >On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, mikel pontificated: >> > >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake. > > >Art for art's sake is crap. There is no point it is just used as an excuse >for the moron to feel creative. I personally like Dali, but his lobster >telephone, and other things like that, just about everything mixed medium, >the paintings in coffee shops are crap. If you want to be an artist don't >create art for art's sake, create art for your sake, and don't tell me you >have an emotional connection to that giant horse made of welded together car >parts. > >
As a theater major, and film buff, my impression is that there are not only are there several different types of art, but ANYTHING (and yes that includes pop songs, to bring in the other argument) can be an art. It simply has to be done right. As far as art for art's sake, I think some of it is good. There are some really nice surrealist films out there, that I enjoy. On the other hand, I also enjoy works that are personal to their creator.
For years people have tried to define as what they wanted it to be. The French New Wave filmmakers wanted everything to be non-linear and personal, the new "Independent Movement" wants everything to be small, Norman Jewison (In the Heat of the Night, Moonstruck) believes you should just tell a story, prog fans (or at least a good number, take this list for example) believe music should be possessed of at least passable technical excellence, grunge fans believe everything should be simple and more about the emotion (or at least that's how it started) and the feel, jazz musicians sometimes dismiss all rock music, etc etc etc. It's all different forms of the same thing. There IS NO ONE ANSWER! Art can be for art's sake, for your sake, for my sake, for money's sake, for society's sake, for emotion's sake, or whatever the hell you want it to be.
blah.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:06:03 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: The Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ibanez JPM Advice Required Message-ID: <38AF13CB.FC4DA960@ozemail.com.au>
I am looking at buying a new guitar, specifically and Ibanez. Now I am limited by the fact that not all models are available here. I am looking at the JPM which I like but is rather more than I wanted to pay for. Can someone please recommend me some other Ibanez models ?
thanks gaz
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:49:38 +0000 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu> To: Ytsejam list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: <38AF3A22.9FECADD5@sdts.nu>
Thanks to everyone who sent me explanations of the word "anvil". I have no idea why it didn't occur to me to just look it up in a dictionary!? I guess I'm *that* lazy! -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:25:39 -0600 From: "MattyMo" <mattymo@mattymo.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: ear mould monitors (KJLB) Message-ID: <003401bf7b39$04a46c20$0100a8c0@mattymo>
Actually... I had a chance to interview James before the show in Chicago... asked him this very same question...
He said that in-ear monitors are annoying. What he has in his ears are custom made, molded to his ears...ear plugs... they knock down all sound evenly about 10-15 db. He even showed them to me.
There ya have it!
MattyMo
P.S. i will be (finally) transcribing the interview from cassette and posting it on my site shortly... I'll post the URL when it is done....
> > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:49:27 -0600 > From: Michael Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: ear mould-monitors > Korg posted - I don't think so. Every once is awhile he was sticking his > finger is his ear to make sure he was in key. > > I was in the front row at the Minneapolis show last friday, and I am > certain he was using ear mould-monitors, because I saw him take one out to > make some sort of adjustment. > > Zap >
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:00:36 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com (Ytse Love-In) Subject: NYC show Message-ID: <200002200100.UAA20654@optical.mindstorm.com>
so, i'm thinking and thinking and thinking about this show next weekend, and it occurs to me that it's going to be quite difficult to decide on someplace to go before the show. not to mention, everyone's going to want to get to the roseland with plenty of time to get a good location on the floor, etc, etc...
..and then it occured to me. we're going to be in new york freakin' city. the city that never sleeps. and on a saturday night, no less. why don't we try to decide on something to do *after* the show? that way, we're all on our own schedules beforehand, and we get to have some real fun afterwards. who's with me?
to that end, i'll remind everyone of the drill we used to use when trying to meet jammers after a dt show. first of all, wear ytsejam gear if at all possible. second, after the lights come up and people start leaving, head toward the stage and meet everyone else. it's that simple. i'll probably be up there yelling "skadz!" or "bafu!" or something.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: NYC show Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002192040530.18207-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
Anyone have ideas for a good hotel to stay at?
On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Digital Man wrote:
> > so, i'm thinking and thinking and thinking about this show next > weekend, and it occurs to me that it's going to be quite difficult to > decide on someplace to go before the show. not to mention, everyone's > going to want to get to the roseland with plenty of time to get a good > location on the floor, etc, etc... > > ..and then it occured to me. we're going to be in new york freakin' > city. the city that never sleeps. and on a saturday night, no less. > why don't we try to decide on something to do *after* the show? that > way, we're all on our own schedules beforehand, and we get to have > some real fun afterwards. who's with me? > > to that end, i'll remind everyone of the drill we used to use when > trying to meet jammers after a dt show. first of all, wear ytsejam > gear if at all possible. second, after the lights come up and people > start leaving, head toward the stage and meet everyone else. it's > that simple. i'll probably be up there yelling "skadz!" or "bafu!" or > something. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough > d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates > cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:09:13 -0500 From: "Jim Brown" <jmbst116+@pitt.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: If that ain't a kick in the ... Message-ID: <001501bf7b4f$dd9007e0$36223182@pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu>
Long time reader, first time poster - but I just felt the need to vent on this one. So I'm all psyched up for the Dream Theater show coming to Pittsburgh tonight. So myself and a friend get tickets, go down to the place (Metropol), head for the door, and WHAT!! You have to be 21 to get in, which of course does not bode well for myself being 20.8. I tired ineffectively arguing with the guy but no luck! Not only am I out 23 bucks, but I missed the show. Now I have to wait another 2 years for the next tour, aaack! Is it just me or is this ridiculous. Smells like commercialism to me, our once pure band now only plays venues that can shell out enough money stolen by selling $5 drinks?? For the record - that just pisses me off.
JB
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:36:01 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: If that ain't a kick in the ... Message-ID: <000101bf7b53$9cb1e730$3464a8c0@klindt.org>
Sorry to hear that dude. I almost missed the Chicago show and I felt bad. I can only imagine how much worse it must feel to actually miss the show. In Chicago if you were under 21 you just didn't get a wrist band to buy booze. No one checked my ID when I went in. I doubt the band any part of that at all.
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-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 9:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: If that ain't a kick in the ...
Long time reader, first time poster - but I just felt the need to vent on this one. So I'm all psyched up for the Dream Theater show coming to Pittsburgh tonight. So myself and a friend get tickets, go down to the place (Metropol), head for the door, and WHAT!! You have to be 21 to get in, which of course does not bode well for myself being 20.8. I tired ineffectively arguing with the guy but no luck! Not only am I out 23 bucks, but I missed the show. Now I have to wait another 2 years for the next tour, aaack! Is it just me or is this ridiculous. Smells like commercialism to me, our once pure band now only plays venues that can shell out enough money stolen by selling $5 drinks?? For the record - that just pisses me off.
JB
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:35:14 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Yeah...Spock's Bears... Message-ID: <38AF7D12.3DA9B351@home.com>
Michael Tilson said: > OK, I don't want to prevent a good cause from making money, but I'd get my > money's worth by requesting the longest song possible. Something like ACOS, > or SB's The Light.
Fuck it. Just go for "Pleasant Shade of Gray" ;)
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:11:53 EST From: DTGirl2612@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Petrucci's blue ernie ball Message-ID: <d4.1a9697a.25e13409@aol.com>
>From: Steve L <brigade_76@yahoo.com> >Subject: det. show, petrucci's blue ernie ball
Any other people wondering what John P calls his other ball? If one is called Blue Ernie is the other one Pink Freda?
;-)
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:18:43 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: vocals Message-ID: <20000220121843.45172.qmail@hotmail.com>
>She's always telling me that when my throat is open, and I'm singing with >NO tension in my voice, it will last much longer and keep me in shape for >longer periods of time.
I'll have to remember that one.
> I don't know ANY tenors who can sing a low A healthily, yet >that is EXACTLY what James does in Voices (The BG vox on "Is there fantasy >in refuge, God in politicians,"
I don't believe the backing vox were supplied by James for this song. My liner notes for Awake are lost (and my signed Japanese liner notes for Awake are stolen ;( thanks Misfit), but I believe it's one of the producers.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:12:17 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "FinnYtsecon" in March? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000220171217.00f8d29c@trade.hamkk.fi>
This piece of info only to those who are coming to see Dream Theater in Helsinki on the first gig of the European leg, if you are coming and don't understand Finnish (hey Raivo :) feel freee to email me and ask stuff in english :P
Jees, elikk=E4 olisko kukaan innostunu pit=E4m=E4=E4n pient=E4 ytsejam-meeti= nki=E4 ennen / j=E4lkeen DT:n keikkaa? Olisi ihan siisti=E4 kun saisi nimille v=E4h= =E4n kasvoja :) Mailaile jos olet kiinnostunut, niin keksit=E4=E4n jotain.
op777
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:34:21 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dave mustaine on vh1 Message-ID: <38B0178D.6066130B@yunque.net>
Did anyone catch Mustaine in Rock n roll jeopardy on vh1? he kicked George Clinton and Moon Zappa's ass!! Its cool to see actual good musicians there instead of top40 pretty faces..
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Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: 20 Feb 2000 15:39:50 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RG220, JP vs Ibanez, rants against S.Howe and SFaM Message-ID: <20000220153950.11378.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>3) Yes, yes it is a bass, but On the RBX6JM: >SUPER SWEET, DUDE!!!! I
I managed to try one out last week in Musical Echanges (*HUGE* music store over here in Blighty, albeit sadly missing an Ibanez department :( ). My first thought was that it's one for Chris Squire fans. Myung doesn't use a pick, but the way that his axe reacts to them, it's a shame: played with fingers, sure it'll cut through any mix; but with a plec, it'll tear the guitarist's heart out. Cool! My only moan is the EQ - waste of time, does't do anything except maybe tame the highs a little.
But I'm a guitarist, not a bassist, so I've got a guitar question. I pretty much stopped using my RG a while back and went back to a Les Paul, becasue I can't deal with that middle pickup - it just gets in the sodding way! - and I wasn't using the bar that much anyway. But then I noticed that Ibanez do a thing called the RG220 (http://www.ibanez.com/99SPECS/99RG220SPEC.HTML), which is effectively the same as the RG270, but with no middle pickup. I've been thinking about selling up my current MORRG, and getting one of these things, if they're available over here. So I was wondering if anyone's owned one of these budget Ibanez's, and had problems with anything Chris Ptacek mentions in the post quoted below?
>From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" >Subject: First Bass/Guitar, a side note > >There are 2 very very big problems with buying the >bottom of the barrel beginner instrument. They >1). Tuning/Intonation. >2). The neck / action.
For the record, I've used those Yamaha things with the single-lockers and found that they cope perfectly well with the limited stuff I do with the bar; and I don't give a shit about pickups - they'll be checked for DiMarzios anyway. And yeah! The 22o has the Wizard neck, woohoo!
>From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> >Subject: JP's new guitar > >Where can I find a pic of JP's new guitar, I >have been searching but I can't seem to find one.
Amen. Anyone got a link for that?
>Why did he break with Ibanez? The long and shortof it is that Ibanez were treating him like shit compared to Mr Vai (JP obviously wasn't blowing the chairman of Ibanez like little Stevie) etc., and the support was dwindling a bit (possibly because JP's displayed no interest in doing what Satch, Vai & Gilbert have done, i.e. develop other guitars in his line, since he's happy with what he's got, so they're scrabbling around with colourschemes etc.), so JP jumped ship to Ernie Ball. Which is odd, because I always figured that if he went, it'd be to Jackson, since they're pretty similar, and a Dinky would suit JP down to the ground.
>sales number for albums in the US, it lists that >SFAM has sold 67,456 copies in the US thus far.
This is about 6 months or so after release; how does that compare to previous albums? Also, just out of curiosity, do we think that DT are quite well-off yet? They tour nearly constantly, so that must rake in a fair amount?
>Petruccius says, "It's all in the fingers."
Bollocks. Obviously the amp is the absolute decider, but at the business end of the cable, I'd say: it's about 50% in the fingers, 40% in the pickups, 5% in the strings and 5% in the construction of the guitar (wood, hardtail or whammy etc).
>At LAST, I can one-up Ron Thal and construct that 21 >string triple neck Bleu Cheese guitar I've been >designing for months now! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I'd love a twin-neck with a 7-string and a 12-string. Drool...
>ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> >I went to see Yes last night in Glasgow. I didn't >know any of the songs, but I quite enjoyed it. The >Russian keyboard player was very cool; Steve >Howe's guitar playing was extremely sloppy.
I really like Igor, I think he's a really cool player...Now if only Bill Bruford would sign up again! As for Howe being sloppy...So what else is new. I never understood all the fuss about him. Interesting ideas as a pomposer, but his playing sucked on "The Yes Album", it sucked on "The Ladder", and it blew hard on everything in-between.
>From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> >Subject: PF and DT >Actually, I keep expecting them to break into >the end part of "Eclipse" sometime during that >tune... sortof like you could expect "Have a Cigar" >during Peruvian Skies...it just fits.
I said it before, but I'll say it again: the end of Stange Deja Vu. Starship Trooper III:Wurm (by Yes). A match made in heaven, I assure you. Actually, damnit, where's my copy of pro-tools? I can take the Uncovered version of that tune and link the two togeather! Now there's a plan!
>From: CoolCris26@aol.com >Subject: Scenes (My Decision) and Pink Floyd >produced album, and I have finally come to the >opinion that it IS a lyrically strong album.
I cringe at the lyrics on SFaM. I think the concept sounds like something Neil Peart rejected as being "too hammy" (which for Rush is damned scary), and the lyrics don't even make the bet of a bad job. James sounds good, but not his best as everyone seems to be implying (which I think is amazing on this list: one of DT makes the least use of his technique on any album thusfar, and Jammers don't bitch? There's a first!); and the solos are often a little throwaway. It seems to me that the decision not to demo it first (which would have allowed time to reflect on it a little; and chop the extraenious shit like the last five minutes of BTL, the first minute and a half of THE, and the whole of TDOE, some of those excruciating samples in FF that make me have to turn the volume down halfway through) was flawed.
>It took a while for me to get used to that >"trumpet part," but now I even like that. I >actually see how it's like metal jazz fusion >and it does fit.
No it doesn't; and that's nothing at all to do with the choice of patch, it's the scale JR's using. It sits uneasily at best into the song. The best possible conclusion for BTL is to fade it when that tremoloed guitar comes in before the instrumental package.
>If someone asked me what album to buy first for >DT to get a taste of them i would tell them SFAM.
And they'd never listen to DT again. The reviewer in my University's magazine said that he'd "rather have boiling rats piss poured in [his] ears than ever have to listen to this again", that it was "sub-Pink Floyd", "full of stadium synths and guitars that are simultaeniously crunchy and widdly". I know the guy who wrote the review, and he's not a closed-mind prog-hater, he's got the widest musical tastes of anyone I've ever met, and a CD collection that takes up an entire room. He knows his shit, and to him - and anyone who isn't a DT fan and will thus give SFaM the required time to grow on them - it's terrible. Even I thought so when I first heard it, and I love DT. Some people suggestd that this'll be the breakthrough album - to them, I say: you're deluding yourselves.
>phenomenal. And by the way 94 PF Division Bell >was by far the best concert I've ever seen and >that includes seeing DT 5 great times and Liquid >Tension once.
Absolutely agreed. That's probably why Floyd's hiding at the moment: how the hell would they EVER top that? How can ANYONE top that? This was six years ago, and no-one's even come close to even matching it yet.
~Simon
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