YTSEJAM Digest 5331
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Giant Crap
by Fett2002@aol.com
2) Ytsejam moment
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
3) How old school *are* you?
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
4) singing
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
5) Re: Giant Crap
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5330
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) Megadeth
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
8)
by "Da Vinci" <lucasvinci@yahoo.com>
9) Vocals
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
10) Re: Shine on You Crazy Bastard...
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
11) Superior CD
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5330
by Rjvilareal@aol.com
13) Beefquad-X crapped on Cher's Giant...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) SFaM lyrics
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
15) The HP of Wolverine is updated!
by "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com>
16) REALLY old jammers
by "Larry Odneal" <ldo1@prodigy.net>
17) Re:new Strato (non-dt-related)
by "Nissinen Tommi"
18) Re: GIANT
by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
19) Re: new Strato
by "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi>
20) London and Manchester
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
21) Korg's The Man
by "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca>
22) Re: How old school *are* you?
by "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com>
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:55:36 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Giant Crap
Message-ID: <96.164424c.25e370c8@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/21/00 5:54:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Dann Huff was NO pop singer.
He was the guitarist and singer for Giant, who were a fine rock/hard
rock band, if you'd bothered to get some facts, or listened to their
music you'd know this.
Tell me what hit's they had ? >>
They has the hits "I'm a Believer" and "See You in My Dreams." They were both
really crappy songs and Giant was a really crappy band.
>So don't try and blame him for Megadeth's attempt to sell out and
>be the next Alternica, er Metallica, he dosen't write the songs, the
>band does.
So let's see... Megadeth and Metallica suck but Giant, FRIGGIN GIANT!, were a
fine hard rock band??? Buddy, ease off the crack! Thanks for the good laugh
though, I really appreciate it!! HAHAHAHHAHA!!!!
-Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:10:55 -0600
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Ytsejam moment
Message-ID: <001701bf7cf3$327b45e0$a70a88cf@jammer>
I remember parts of the famous post made by Bafu Vai when he encountered
James LaBrie at a concert and James blew up in Bafu's face talking about
fans badmouthing him... something like "You tell them...(them being the
Ytsejammers) ..." bahahaha man I would LOVE to see that post from Bafu
again!!!! It was a great moment in Ytsejam history.
Jan-Michael
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:28:29 -0600
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: How old school *are* you?
Message-ID: <001801bf7cf5$a6c19740$a70a88cf@jammer>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Digital Man [SMTP:cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:21 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: How old school *are* you?
>
>
> You're a senior member of the Jam if:
>
> * You laugh when you see [deleted --kbibb]
Yep!! I remember those well.
> * You own any clothing with ytsejam@arastar.com on it
I never did get that original Ytsejam shirt with that on it, but I do have
the 2nd one with the killer graphics on the front.. Actually I have two.
> * You fondly remember Hairball, Babs, or Jeff Chew ("where are you
> now...")
Hairball was a trip. Too bad he cut his hair.. "It's BABS"... hah
> * You remember irc.dreamt.org before the op-wars necessitated bots
I must have stopped chatting in there before that happened.
> * The coolest "young person" you've ever "met" was Ben Laussade
Ohh I hated that little fucker :) Such an attitude for a young lad..
> * You remember Bafu's farewell post to arastar.com
Yep it was a good one.
> * Syrinx and Ibanez playing "The Silent Man" still makes you bust out
> laughing
I'm in Texas and haven't been out to the East Coast. :/
> * You know why the Ytsejam's welcome message forbids religious debate
Michael C. !!
> * You know what a hootenanny is
heh heh
> * You attended a YtseCon where band members actually attended (and
> that's before *my* time)
I didn't get out to the East Coast, BUT I do have video of the first Ytsecon
where Mike and John Myung showed up and mingled with the fans :)
> * You need to take off your shoes and socks to count all the Ytsejam
> romances (failed and otherwise) that you can think of
No comment.
> I'm sure I missed a few. Senior members, please feel free to
> contribute. :)
>
> Just for the record, I subscribed in September 1995 (somewhere in the
> 600s for digest numbers, I think).
Gosh, my first Ytsejam digest was # 700.. That was way back when..
I used to keep them all on floppy disks but I had a pretty slow 486 back
then and I got tired of sitting there waiting for them to save to disk
hahaha so I stopped :/ blah
Jam on !
Jan-Michael
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:59:25 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: singing
Message-ID: <38B225BD.A164A8E6@alphalink.com.au>
I took a look through my cd collection and thought about some of the songs
where the vocal performance really gets me going. I have plenty of CDs with technically
awsome singers but few of them make my list (please excuse the 'top 10' format of
this list, its to prove a point)-
*Robert Plant on Kashmir *Phil Anselmo on Cowboys from Hell
*Jimi Hendrix on Little Wing *Ozzy Osbourne with Rhandy on Paranoid
*Billy Corgan on Disarm *Thom Yorke on Climbing Up Walls
Plus I also think that Roger Waters voice went well with Pink Floyd, although Dave
was maybe a bit better.
Not that theres anything wrong with having a technically good voice, but convincing
emotion and energy will always win over.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:03:52 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Giant Crap
Message-ID: <200002220906.EAA04202@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
]From: Fett2002@aol.com
Subject: Re: Giant Crap
> They has the hits "I'm a Believer" and "See You in My Dreams." They
> were both really crappy songs and Giant was a really crappy band.
Wrong Giant were pretty good, seems like we have a few fans on
the jam.......
> >So don't try and blame him for Megadeth's attempt to sell out and be
> >the next Alternica, er Metallica, he dosen't write the songs, the
> >band does.
> So let's see... Megadeth and Metallica suck but Giant, FRIGGIN GIANT!,
> were a fine hard rock band??? Buddy, ease off the crack! Thanks for
> the good laugh though, I really appreciate it!! HAHAHAHHAHA!!!!
Oh I don't remember saying anyone sucked ?
I said they sold out by which I meant abandoning there traditional
fan base and alienating their longtime fans....
I've was a Metallica fan way back in 1983, when you were probably
still a stain on your dad's jocks.
Thanks for tickling my ribs and proving yet again your ignorance...
Oh look your on AOL, that explains everything :)
FYI I've never taken any illegal drugs in my life, by saying
that I'm on crack because I voice an opinion that you don't agree
with show me and the rest of the list, just what a fewl you really are.
Counting the minutes until I read your intellectual response
gaz
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:14:53 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5330
Message-ID: <a5.262210d.25e3835d@aol.com>
Andrew Countermarsh wrote:
<< "Prayer has no place in school, just like facts
have no place in religion."
- Superintendant Chalmers from "The Simpsons" >>
haha! That's one of my all time favorite quotes! I alos like when Homer said
to Marge, "It takes 2 to lie: One to lie and one to listen." So many great
quotes from that show.
-Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:23:43 +1100
From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Megadeth
Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9B366CEF@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
Hey all!
I just thought id give my opinion on Megadeth as well.
I really didnt like Cryptic Writings although i havent heard a lot of it,
but i must admit my favorite was
Rust in Peace, if im going to listen to Megadeth, its going to be RIP. But
i have to say that Dave Mustaine's voice does piss me off after awhile, you
really have to get used to it, which is kinda hard to do.
I think its also very sad that Marty Freedman left, i didnt even know that!
He's a champion, has anyone heard his solo album? Its cool!
Cheers all..
Marie
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:22:20 -0300
From: "Da Vinci" <lucasvinci@yahoo.com>
To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Message-ID: <004a01bf7cfe$35f43f00$99872ac8@Mollerica>
hello to everyone,
i just wanted to know if there's anyway to bring DT to argentina, because
here are lots of fans that want to see OFB playing live. If anyones knows a
way to do it i appreciate if he tells me how.
i think that the next time i read about a DT show i will suicide myself if
they are not coming here.=)
bye to everyone and hope to see DT soon,
Lucas Vinciguerra
lucasvinci@yahoo.com
icq#: 59043176.
see ya!-
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:29:30 +1100
From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Vocals
Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9B366CF0@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
Hi everyone :)
Just mailing to those who were having the discussion about vibrato.
I too am a singer and i love to use my vibrato, but i can also control it
I cant imagine it being a natural thing, well i suppose it is sometimes
But i can always hold a straight note.
I think the way James sings Home is sooo excellent, his voice is so rich and
strong
I dont know how anyone can bag him or say that it isnt his best effort yet.
Also another thing i wanted to point out that no one seems to have yet;
MP's Drumming just before the end of FF. WOW!
I wish so much i could see him do that live, he is the best drummer.
Im actually a little upset cause a few years ago he came to Aussieland and
hosted a drum clinic
just down the road from me. Unfortunately STOOPID ME wasnt that into DT
yet.
I wish i could turn back time...
My fav music store have a snare drum skin signed by Mike
I think it was the one he played on the day, but not quite sure
Anyways... enough of my rambling!!
Bye all:)
Marie
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:58:19 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Shine on You Crazy Bastard...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000222065819.01774ed0@pi-r-squared.com>
At 03:26 PM 2/21/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Brad Plumb wrote:
>
>>Imagine Shine on You Crazy DIamond with Roger Waters singing correctly....
>>*shudder*
>
>Umm, I think I'll stick with David Gilmour singing it... But your point is
>still taken :-)
>
>Paul
Roger sings the high parts. In fact, the reason there is a different
vocalist on Have A Cigar is because when they recorded it, Roger was too
tired from singing SOYCD. So BLAH!
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I
still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always
regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:51:50 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Superior CD
Message-ID: <4.1.20000222074311.00974220@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi all!
>From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
>> Andrew asked:
>> >/me wants to find out how many people there
>> >are that are REALLY old jammers
Well, if you count the years since when I'm on this list, I guess
I'm ooooold. :) I was already here in the early arastar-days. I wonder
if Ken is still around...
>And when will Basmer get of his arse and put a new Superior CD out ??
Hehehe, might take some time. We just started working on the
new material again. We couldn't do much in the past 2 months
because Martin broke his hand and then Mike did almost the
same thing in January. We started rehearsing again last week
and are now preparing the first 2 songs to be recorded in a little
studio for a demo. This demo will probably go out to some record
companies (maybe we'll record some more songs for that first...)
and then we'll have to see what happens. Negotiations may take
a little time...
>Mark Metzger, cooldude aged 23.
HARHARHAR! :) Good joke, dude. :)))
Greetings.
Bernd
----------------------------------------------------
Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior have a look at
http://www.free-minded.de/
----------------------------------------------------
It's only work if somebody makes you do it.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:54:16 EST
From: Rjvilareal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5330
Message-ID: <9a.165d118.25e38c98@aol.com>
This is to all of the people who have been posting negative remarks as to
the actual lyrical content of SFAM. I dont remember who wrote this, but im
gonna paste it here so everyone can understand the particular comment(s) I am
talking about:
"Well, obviously it is to some extent. We're talking about an art here, so
it's definitely subjective. However, to someone who's read much, or studied
literature, or even listened to many good lyrics, it should be obvious that
SFaM could have been done better. If you don't agree with that, I'm just
going to have to recommend you take a break from the singing exercises there
and do some reading other than USA Today."
Obviously, the person who posted this has never been in a origional musical
situation. Here's what I mean...A friend of mine and I have been recording
in a small studio in south texas on and off for the past 6 months...music has
seriously been our life for the past 10 years. The work we are doing in the
studio is purely origional stuff, with a creed/eagle eye cherry feel to it,
but thats besides the point...the point is, we sat down and tried to think,
"What target crowd are we going for? what kind of fans are we trying to
reach?" Which is when we came to the issue of commercialism. See, every
musical outfit, i dont care what kind of fans you have or what the music
is...you get to the point where you realize that similar to the old saying "
simple minds are easily amused...", the same goes for lyrics some times...the
fact IS that simple lyrics attract mainstream listeners. See, obviously
whoever started the hopeful rumor that SFAM:Mp2 was supposed to be Dream
Theater's breakthrough recording, knew something beforehand. By keeping the
lyrics simple and not too intricate, DT will reach more fans....MIND YOU-
most other mainstream bands who try this are considered sellouts, but not DT,
because they didnt lose their true roots progressiveness and have not toned
it down. Look at Metallica and their S&M cd...To a large part of their
fanbase, they have become "sellouts". I praise them for making that
move...it's was a gutsy one, but it shows not only that thay are maturing as
musicians, but are also that, they are concious about the fact that no
progression is a bad thing. Same as with Metallica here, Dream Theater have
shown with SFAM:Mp2 that they are a maturing band and are still making steps
forward. This should be taken as a compliment to all fans. Progressive
music is different than any other style because of one very big thing; Fan
loyalty. If DT were afraid of losing their fanbase, who knows what kind of
album they would have put out, but they have such a strong belief in their
fanbase that they know that they can progress forward and not lose the true
fans...see, i feel that if you don't enjoy every DT cd out there just as much
as the next, that youre not exactly a true "fan". I think a true fan
understands where the band has come from, why they are where they are at
their present time, and understands why they progress in certain ways...but
this is my humble opinion. Anyway, here's the moral of my schpiel: keeping
the lyrics simple is the way to get more fans. It is DT's way of slightly
commercializing themselves, without selling out. You can't blame them for
wanting more fans. You would too. By the way, this is the first time I have
ever posted on the Jam, so someone let me know what you think...
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:11:59 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Beefquad-X crapped on Cher's Giant...
Message-ID: <003901bf7d04$2e8bd380$3e0d84d0@default>
> * The coolest "young person" you've ever "met" was Ben Laussade
No, no, no. You got that all wrong, D. :) RipZero could kick Ben's ass.
hehehehe. And together they were BEEFQUAD-X!!! Need I say more? :)
> I wish i could turn back time...
Please, don't get that damn Cher song stuck in my head again... ACK! Too
late! Ah! There it is again! Ah! There's another one! EEEEEeeeeee....
> Buddy, ease off the crack!
Unfortunately with the return of Dr. Shoals, er Mosh, the crackpipe has been
passed back into his hands. I claim to enjoy the band Giant in a completely
sober state of mind. Maybe that's my problem. Or yours. You know, if
we're going to start spouting opinions, I'd just like to say that Mike C. is
a really crappy dude. I think he really sucks. But that's just, imo. :)
-- KorgX3 just used that for an example? NP: Giant - Last of the Runaways------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:34:09 -0600 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFaM lyrics Message-ID: <B4D79810.2DBB%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
Someone calling himself Rjvilareal@aol.com spewed:
> "Well, obviously it is to some extent. We're talking about an art here, so > it's definitely subjective. However, to someone who's read much, or studied > literature, or even listened to many good lyrics, it should be obvious that > SFaM could have been done better. If you don't agree with that, I'm just > going to have to recommend you take a break from the singing exercises there > and do some reading other than USA Today." > > Obviously, the person who posted this has never been in a origional musical > situation.
I wrote that, and I think you're full of it, to be blunt. First, it's entertaining how people like to make assumptions about a person based on what they write here. That's twice in the same day now for me, I hope I'm giving you all some amusing exercise of your imaginations at least, trying to figure out my life story (although I doubt it--these are all knee-jerk reactions). I've been involved in bands off and on writing material for five years. I've written music for about a dozen songs and lyrics for about 60.
> but thats besides the point...the point is, we sat down and tried to think, > "What target crowd are we going for? what kind of fans are we trying to > reach?"
There's nothing wrong with that. If one is just writing to please one's self, there's no point in putting it on display. Anytime you release something I think you're implying that you want people to like it and can take into account to some limited extent what people will like, while still remaining true to your vision. It's not the only way to do it, some people would appreciate a "purer" approach, but I have no problem with it.
> Which is when we came to the issue of commercialism. See, every > musical outfit, i dont care what kind of fans you have or what the music > is...you get to the point where you realize that similar to the old saying " > simple minds are easily amused...", the same goes for lyrics some times...the > fact IS that simple lyrics attract mainstream listeners. See, obviously > whoever started the hopeful rumor that SFAM:Mp2 was supposed to be Dream > Theater's breakthrough recording, knew something beforehand. By keeping the > lyrics simple and not too intricate, DT will reach more fans
But here, I think you're dead wrong, for two reasons. One, the average fan isn't going to pay attention to lyrics spanning an entire album that they must make connections between on their own. They want snippet songs. Two, people don't want to have to think about the meanings behind something for it to make sense, as you have to sit and think to try and make any sense of what's going on in SFaM.
> fans...see, i feel that if you don't enjoy every DT cd out there just as much > as the next, that youre not exactly a true "fan".
I think this is rubbish. As other people have said, if that's what a fan is, I don't want to be a fan. I like some of the band's work, love some of it...some of it I think is ill-conceived. If that makes me a lesser "fan," it's a price I'll gladly pay; I'll trade a meaningless label for the use of my brain.
> this is my humble opinion. Anyway, here's the moral of my schpiel: keeping > the lyrics simple is the way to get more fans. It is DT's way of slightly > commercializing themselves, without selling out. You can't blame them for > wanting more fans.
What I think is mostly going on here is simple. Portnoy, as cool a guy as he is, has never really been much of a lyric writer. ACoS has some good stuff, but other than that...his stuff on FII is a joke. Just Let Me Breathe and Burning My Soul have absolutely *terribleterrible* lyrics. James is pretty untested in this area, but judging from Anna Lee he doesn't have the track record of a whiz kid either. And Petrucci...I like most of his stuff on the first two albums, and some of it on Awake...but as he moved away from the cryptic but entertaining Twilight-Zone style to a more "personal" style, I think he showed his weakness. Basically what I'm saying is that the people now writing the lyrics just aren't that great at it and it shouldn't surprise anyone based on their history. Myung is good but not prolific by any means; the biggest loss in losing Moore was his lyrical contributions. This is just not a strong group of individuals in the current version of DT as far as lyrics go. I don't think it was any conscious attempt to be "simple," other than trying to tell some of the more narrative vignettes in plain expositional language. It was just the work of people who aren't wordsmiths trying to come up with some crazy way to justify the "miracle" and "sleeper" labels.
this gets back to the division I see in Petrucci's eras of lyrics writing. Met I is part of his old style. It's metaphysical and cryptic; it's anyone's guess what the Miracle and the Sleeper are. Nearly a decade later, with DT having moved to a more realistic or personal lyrical approach, they tried to come up with something to mesh the two, and, imo, it's a very uneasy fit.
And that was probably a lot more than you wanted to hear from me, but there ya go. :)
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:14:57 CET From: "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The HP of Wolverine is updated! Message-ID: <20000222081458.88433.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello everyone!
I just wanted to let you know that we have updated our homepage with new reviews, interviews and more! If you feel like it, please surf over there and feel free to sign out guestbook too. It's always nice to know who have been there!
Take care!
/Stefan
http://www.dprp.vuurwerk.nl/bands/wolverine
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:21:10 -0700 From: "Larry Odneal" <ldo1@prodigy.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: REALLY old jammers Message-ID: <003c01bf7d0d$c7b46b40$31f8fed1@larryodn>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> How many people we got here since the beginning? How many that are 3-4 years old? 2-3?
> /me wants to find out how many people there are that are REALLY old jammers.
Well, I'm 45. Is that REALLY old? I've been here since April 1995 - I think the Jam # was about 530 or so. Ken (Hibbs?) was the moderator.
Also want to comment on the Denver show (2/9). Incredible night! I took my 17-year-old son (the middle one, and a big DT fan like his two brothers). At the end of the Star People's set we got backstage, by going up on the stage-right balcony, then back around and behind the stage, till some guy yelled at us to get down - so we came down at stage-left and almost ran right into James LaBrie! I was star-struck and didn't talk to him, since he was busy talking to a woman and a small girl, and then he got hauled away by some roadie type. Pretty cool nonetheless. Waited around awhile but didn't see anybody else, so we walked back out front past the guards, who just stared at us like "What the fuck?!" Great security, guys! We did the same thing after the show, but didn't see anybody "famous". Walked past the same guards again and got the same dumb look. We were cracking up!
Anyway, great show - I was surprised that they could pull it off so well. Especially enjoyed Jordan's extended solo . . .
See y'all later,
Larry
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Date: 22 Feb 2000 10:20:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:new Strato (non-dt-related) Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAIs9GQABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Drew Schinzel (22.2.2000 4:36): > >Hey, speaking of that new Stratovarius, I've got a question - Is it just >like all the other Strato releases =3F I mean, I love the band and all,= but >the past few releases have been nearly exactly the same style, so owning >more than a couple of albums by them is almost redundant. > >So how similar is it to Visions and Destiny =3F
I think it is more towards Destiny.
>Do they still follow that >repetitive fast/ballad/fast/ballad pattern =3F Are the ballads still all >about fulfilling your dreams and taking advantage of your youth and all >that crap =3F I think they need to tackle some=20new lyrical terrain if= you >catch my meaning.
Again, they have fast, mid-paced and slow-songs, two 8-minutes+ epic songs.= But as far as the lyrical content goes, i think now they are singing more about= the state of environment and even some political stuff, but there are some of= that corny lyrics too (Celestial dream and Glory of the world, [sorry Jens;)]).= IMHO, there are=20only two ballads on that disc out of nine songs, so that is not= much or is it=3F But you have to listen to it to know exactly what i mean. IMO,= best cd they have done so far and why change the style if the fans get what they excpect=3F
-Tommi
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:49:50 +0100 From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: GIANT Message-ID: <B4D81A5A.4025%jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
on 00-02-22 00.57, Korg Ecksthrey at korgx3@safelink.net wrote:
> >> Tell me what hit's they had ? > > Their only big hit was "I'll See You In My Dreams." > >> "Last Of The Runaways" is a great album! Unfortunately, hey only had >> "hit" off the album, and were never spoken of again. How is their second >> album? > > I consider "Time to Burn" to be about equally as good. The songwriting and > production were very similar to "Last of the Runaways." Lots of memorable > songs, they just didn't get any radio hits. >
I must agree with Korg on this, and don't forget that Dan Huff is one great guitarist ! The song writing on both of the Giant discs are great, I just love Dan's riffs and the often very emotional solos. Just check out the song "Stranger to Me" from LOTR... the hair raises on my back just by thinking of it.
Cheers, Jan
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Jan Melander, WM-data jan.melander@got.wmdata.se =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:37:49 +0200 From: "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: new Strato Message-ID: <00cb01bf7d20$e484d800$41e626d4@masiina>
----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Drew Schinzel" <schi2299@fredonia.edu> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 3:36 AM Subject: new Strato
> So how similar is it to Visions and Destiny ? Do they still follow that > repetitive fast/ballad/fast/ballad pattern ? Are the ballads still all > about fulfilling your dreams and taking advantage of your youth and all > that crap ? I think they need to tackle some new lyrical terrain if you > catch my meaning.
This album is very fast. Only two ballads. This is very much like the previous releases but for some reason this feels much better than Destiny or Visions. I guess it's the speed. Lyrics are the same shit as on the other Strato albums but they sound nice and rhyme nicely and that's more important than the meaning IMO. Tolkki is has some weird ideas about the world and you notice it too if you manage to get the limited edition of the album. It has a long interview with Tolkki on it. Too bad that the sound quality sucks on the interview.
> Again, don't get me wrong.. I love Stratovarius, and if I had known they > had a new album coming out I probably woulda preordered it, but since I > didn't, I wouldn't mind hearing how it rates compared to the older ones.
If you are totally fed up with the previous ones don't buy it. If not then go for it. It's certainly their best work.
NP: Stratovarius - Infinite
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:48:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: London and Manchester Message-ID: <49945018e0graham@picsel.com>
If you are going to be at the London or Manchester shows - and if you are familiar with the geography of London or Manchester - please mail me.
According to the box office, the London gig is now sold out.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:08:11 -0500 From: "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Korg's The Man Message-ID: <D72BBDC2C41BD311A2640600000000004DF52B@mb-bp-01>
Korg spoketh:
Another band in a similar vein as Giant that was a one-hit wonder, yet their album was completely excellent was "Alias." Remember them? "I need you now... More Than Words Can Say... I need you now..." And then there's Glass Tiger... :) One of my favorite 80's bands. Their "Diamond Sun" album is more than worth the $2.99 you can often find it in the bargain bins for. -- KorgX3 loves cheesy old 80's music. ----------------------------------- You must be either Canadian (eh), or have a serious nose for 80's cheese. The north of the border contingents have produced some of the finest 80's churl the world has ever known.
And I own every single CD tape and 8 x 10 commemorative glossy print.
Like a list?
Mail me. We'll talk.
And speaking of Old School, I remember the days when Bahr was an adjective noun and pronoun used freely, with pride, and without fear of being lynched.
/me pines for the days of innocence
Anyone else remember C-Man - the fellow who helped The Band promote I&W?
Those were the days...
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:31:53 -0500 From: "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: How old school *are* you? Message-ID: <BF85F885643CD21188230008C75629350179A52E@crte128-2.wrc.xerox.com>
> You're a senior member of the Jam if: > > * You laugh when you see [deleted --kbibb] > * You own any clothing with ytsejam@arastar.com on it > * You fondly remember Hairball, Babs, or Jeff Chew ("where are you > now...")
And where's that Wacky Brian Wherry?
> * You remember irc.dreamt.org before the op-wars necessitated bots > * The coolest "young person" you've ever "met" was Ben Laussade > * You remember Bafu's farewell post to arastar.com > * Syrinx and Ibanez playing "The Silent Man" still makes you bust out > laughing > * You know why the Ytsejam's welcome message forbids religious debate > * You know what a hootenanny is > * You attended a YtseCon where band members actually attended (and > that's before *my* time)
This could also be . . .
* You heard the original "Mercy Fuck" version of ACOS (at least the parts that Derek didn't turn down)
> * You need to take off your shoes and socks to count all the Ytsejam > romances (failed and otherwise) that you can think of > > I'm sure I missed a few. Senior members, please feel free to > contribute. :)
* You remember SloppyJoe69
> Just for the record, I subscribed in September 1995 (somewhere in the > 600s for digest numbers, I think). > -d
I joined around the same time Partha did. I remember seeing an ad for Subconscious, and thinking I would miss out, sent my money immediately . . . and ended up getting #40 or something. Ahhh the memories. Well, there's my post for the year . . .
-Brian Anderson
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