YTSEJAM Digest 5339
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5336
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) Re: definitive DT song
by Psyd524@aol.com
3) Re: SFAM concept stuff
by Fett2002@aol.com
4) Old Timers
by "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
5) Ytsejamer Oldies!
by "Kevin" <wilsncat@erols.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5337
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5338
by DR1029@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5336
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
9) Simpsons quotes (NDTC)
by Jared <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
10) Ideal setlist on this tour
by "Steven Zinck" <zincks@ohsu.edu>
11) Re: definitive DT song / simpsons quotes
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) MY OPINIONS, WHICH ARE BETTER THAN EVERY BODY ELSE'S
by Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com>
13)
by Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com>
14) Topical stuff... (no ointments)
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5338
by INNSOUL@aol.com
16) RE: The definitive Dream Theater song
by INNSOUL@aol.com
17) The DEFINATIVE Dream Theater Song
by loric.vilesilencer.ii@grnet.com
18) definitive song
by "Brian Ayers" <briancry@hotmail.com>
19) DT tickets for NYC
by "Christina Ricciardi" <Stardust@spiritofradio.com>
20) Tickets
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
21) Stuff
by james Mccullough <bugroxx@yahoo.com>
22) Re: DT at 9:30pm
by Jpbwildcat@aol.com
23) Armored Saint chat and news...
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
24) Heather's right...lets face it
by MentalHunk@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:22:39 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5336
Message-ID: <000c01bf7e5d$43eb0fc0$0200010a@steve>
> Oh, I forgot to ask this...for all the people that were there in DC,
> what was up with the Kiss mask during paradigm shift?
Portnoy likes Kiss? A jab at Derek? (other than the obvious one in the
program...)
> On Friday night, June 16, we will be holding "NEARfest Friday." This
> special opening showcase to the weekend will feature Echolyn (USA) and
> Priam (FRA). Most of you know Echolyn, but their music is characterized by
> stellar playing, wonderful counterpoint, multi-part harmonies and tight
> compositions.
This is the best news I've heard in a long time.
Echolyn's back. The 'jam is fun again. Am I missing something or is Satan
shopping for parkas? :)
> Yet, Bafu, a man who
> hasn't been around in years is still held up in high regard. Maybe I have
> to make some bootlegs and shaft the whole Jam to be remembered for
something.
Well, he's not held up in high regard by all. I found him a bit verbose and
often just not funny. He was a bit like a SNL sketch: good for a chuckle
in the beginning, but didn't know how to wrap things up. Seems like a
decent, intelligent guy, though.
It's really funny how Bahr has been ostracised. His posts I never enjoyed.
He loved to hear himself talk (or see himself type or whatever...) and the
gap between what he knew and what he THOUGHT he knew was about 1 A.U. He
had the coolest-ass band name, though. Anyoneremember that one? I wonder
if he still tries to make it out to a DT show, or if he's afraid to run into
anyone who he ripped off? He could always bring his big wrestling cousin
with him. :P
> do they still play "Rooster" right before they come on? if so what
> is the song on the interim music that preceded rooster?
Thank God they stopped that. I was conditioned to HATE that song, because
evey time I hear it I thnk, "Oh, shit. I have to wait ANOTHER 5 minutes to
see DT?"
> "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench,
> a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free,
> and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
> --Hunter S. Thompson
Wow, that's funny, and yet...not. :(
> You guys are sort of talking about two seperate things as per "TONE"
Yeah. I think it's TONE and TOUCH. touch makes you able the tell the
diference between Arthur Rubenstein playing the "Waldstein" sonata and Van
Cliburn playing the "Waldstein" sonata on the same Steinway "D."
I was a bit surprised to see so many people use the violin in the "tone
comes from the fingers" argument. A violinist need only get the idea from
his head through (among other things) his hand, the bow, the strings, the
bridge, the instrument, and the air to the listener. (NOT implying that
that is somehow an easy feat.) That may seem like a long path, but imagine
the electric guitarist! His head, his fingrs, the pick, the strings, the
air (magnetic field) around the strings, the wood of the guitar, the pickup,
the tone circuitry (if any), that LOOOOOOOOONG cable, preamp, umpteen
effects (all those patch cables!), the amplifier, the speakers, even more
stuff that I don't even know about 'cause I don't play guitar. :)
All that and STILL touch makes a bigger difference than equipment in the
sound! My mind tells me to say the other and I WISH I could believe that
equipment made a bigger difference - it just makes more sense to me,
logically - but it just isn't so.
> Jeezus Christ, I didn't know there were still so many old timers left on
> the list... I feel like I'm in a nursing home...
>
> shuttup already :)
You shut up, Mosh! This is the most fun the Jam has been in months, nay,
YEARS! :)
> Yep I remember it well, being the lucky recipient of it
> once upon a time :)
> Now what were we arguing about ?
Did I send it to you? :P
> I think this one got few laughs some time ago.'
> "Rush is fucking trash!!!!!!!!!! I'd put them in a trash can!!!!!!!!"
HAHAHHAHAAHHAHH! I had forgotten!
> Why do you keep making assumptions and objective statements. You do know
> that you aren't the center of truth and the be all and end of all of all
arguments.
> By consensus (sp?) Plant has always been regarded as one of the best
singers in rock and
> many people (including me) think that Sibly is one of his best
performances.
Is consensus the be-all and end-all of all arguments? Certainly not!
Besides, "always been" is a logical fallacy in itself: "Racism has always
been around. Therefore it must be right." and don't tell me that I can't
compare popular singers with racism. I know that. :)
I was watching VH1 - Classic Rock last week and I managed to catch SIBLY. I
figured, well, DT plays it so I might as well check out the original. I
don't like it. I had to keep telling myself not to change the channel and
to listen with an open mind, it can't be that bad. It was excruciating to
not change the channel. If being a "bluesy" singer means just talk-singing
randomly over the accompaniment without a care for whether or not there is
music backing you, then Plant has it down perfectly. The band was fine.
Sloppy, but that's what most rock bands thing blues is about. I like DT's
version MUCH better. Much more intense (yet I think they take it a touch
too fast).
> As for old-timers, I think you qualify if you ever made a Division show
> after I strong-armed you to buy tickets from me...
Hey, that's me! I saw you guys open for Fatez a few times!
> Steve Z. - I thought that was you, but I wasn't sure, due to alcohol
intake.
> Imagine that!
I was going to go up and say, "hey remember me?" but then I thought what if
he says, "no." Then I'd just have to like, say, "Oh...uh...ok..." and walk
away, hanging my head in shame.
> There's a certain irony to the fact that no matter what DT show I seem to
go
> to - even at Birch Hell - and how unruly it is, I always see Kevin "Go
> Wings" Madden - except for the very civilized show in our own backyard,
> where we weren't crammed in like sardines (Jaxx, BH) or subjected to
> horrible sound (Daytona's, Cap Ballroom)...
Yeah, that had come to be something I expected, too. I missed it the other
night. :'(
> And as a final note, I think James' singing on SFaM may not be his best,
BUT
> I'd rather hear him sing conservatively within his natural range than keep
> straining the hell out of his voice every night on tour. :P The proof is
in
> the pudding. James' singing on this tour is stronger than I've ever heard
> him before. :)
Amen to that. It was really a tour de force performance the other night.
> More to the point, they're going to be so sick of SFaM by the time they're
> finished hauling it around the world that they'll want to avoid it for the
whole
> of the next tour. That's probably 50% of why they're not playing much FII
on this tour.
Not only do I keep wondering what the next tour is going to be like, I keep
wondering what the next album is going to be like! What the hell do you do
after this? I guess we'll have to wait until the new Fates Warning album
for a clue. :P
> I was wondering on what people's opinions are on this: what song would you
> consider to be the DEFINITIVE - *not* the best - Dream Theater song? My
> vote goes to "Lines In The Sand". It has the progressive lyrics, the mad
vocals,
> it's long with echoes of Yes (the complex stuff) and Floyd (lyrics over
same chord
> progressions, but with different embellishments to build suspense, and a
slow mid-section),
> and it has a heart-melting solo. What more could you ask for? It embraces
just about every
> facet of DT's oeuvre, but I'm sure that someone disagrees. Provided you
don't think it's
> UAGM (it isn't) or ACoS (which I'm not counting for obvious reasons), let
us all know
> what you think.
I'd definitely agree with LitS. for some of the same reasons and some
different ones. I don't think it calls to mind too much Floyd or Yes.
(Although if I had to pick a "classic" prog band that the complex stuff
called to mind, it'd be KANSAS!) The thing that makes DT DT is, I think,
the ability to write progressive music WITHOUT sounding like a throwback to
the 70's prog giants. DT's music sounds very modern. You can listen to it
and HEAR the up-to-the-minute technology. Add that to first-rate playing
and gut-wrenching emotion, and you have DT.
Why is UaGM "isn't"? surely someone may think so (I don't.) :)
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:29:00 EST
From: Psyd524@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: definitive DT song
Message-ID: <e4.1df0b7e.25e5d54c@aol.com>
I'd have to say Metropolis Pt.1 is the ultimate DT song. It has
everything, odd time signatures and changes, interesting riffs, uncanny
precision and accuracy, great DT lyrics, guitar, bass, keys solos, and
amazing vocals by James. Of course we can't forget that incredible middle
section where they're all just in the groove together. When I first heard
that song, it changed my view of music. Some of the things in there were
unlike anything I'd ever heard before. I think IAW, and specifically Met.
Pt.1 are when DT was at their best ever.
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:31:34 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFAM concept stuff
Message-ID: <6b.1e1b9ed.25e5d5e6@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/23/00 1:22:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
>>But SFaM's conceptual baggage really did seem to prevent any
>>opportunities for vertical takeoff at any point.
> Very good point. For me, when I'm writing lyrics or scribbling poetry, it
>just comes from inspiration of nearly a divine proportion. I once sat down
>and drafted the basics for a conceptual masterpiece that I once wanted to
>write and record, but after having done the outline, the inspiration wasn't
>there.
That's the thing. Concept albums can be really cool and amazing in terms of
presenting an entire story, or perhaps not even a story but just a common
theme. Just check out SFAM, Mindcrime, and the Wall as examples. However, as
much as the idea as a whole can inspire an album, they can also bog it down
at times IMO. Take SFAM for example. When I want to listen to it, it is a
great experience for me taking in the album as a whole. However, often (as
with all albums I own), I just may want to listen to one or two tracks. When
doing this, I can't help but feel something is slighlty lost. I don't get the
whole feel of the concept becasue I'm jsut listening to a portion of the
album. And also, the songs themselves can get bogged down (as was said in the
one quote above) by the concept as a whole. And as such, some musical ideas
(and even pehaps some lyrical ideas) can be prevented from reaching their
full potential IMO. On a non-concept album, I can listen to one or two tracks
which can easily stand by theselves becasue they are individual entities non
connected by a unifying concept. This also gives each song on that album its
own unique feel to it. It is very hard (if not impossible) to have a song on
a concept album be able to exist 100% completely on its own. Now, that being
said, on SFAM most songs do hld up on their own IMO, but generally not nearly
as much as on a non-concept album. Also, it is hard, as an artist, to have
great inspiration for every song on a concept album. There are some songs
which simply MUST exist in order to make the concept as a whole work. A band
is forced to make a song usong lyrical themes to fit the concept and might
not be as inpspired on that song as a result. I'm wondering why no bands (at
least that I know of) have attemted to make a sort of "mini-concept album" on
an othersise non-concept album. For example, why not just have 3 or 4 songs
on an album that have one story going for them together, while the rest of
the album is not part of the story. I always though it would interesting for
Queensryche to try this. Has been done before?? I only thing I can possibly
think that is close is on Extreme's 3 Sides to Every Story album, where the
final 2 songs are kinda one song as a whole but can also be listened to as
individual songs.
-Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:34:51 -0500
From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Old Timers
Message-ID: <002d01bf7e5e$f6e08c80$3179fea9@oemcomputer>
>Yeah I have one of those original t-shirts with the DT font on the
>back and the words "Let the Light Surround You" in glow in the dark
Heh, I'll be wearing mine on Friday in Philly! (say HI)
If memory serves, I joined in the 700's and sat with D-Man and Skads
at the Fantasia. The first Ytseammer I met was Hairball (YJLHBH). :)
- Dave Neff (nerf1@erols.com)
http://www.erols.com/nerf1
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:44:04 -0500
From: "Kevin" <wilsncat@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Ytsejamer Oldies!
Message-ID: <NDBBJKAGBKNNDBBOJKNOMEBPCAAA.wilsncat@erols.com>
Surprised no one mentioned this:
Chasing the elusive EOJ.
Just to say that you got one!
/me never got an EOJ
WilsonCat
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:38:24 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5337
Message-ID: <b3.11d30f1.25e5d780@aol.com>
> I was wondering on what people's opinions are on this: what song would you
>consider to be the DEFINITIVE - *not* the best - Dream Theater song
Hmmmm.....I think I wuld go with Metropolis Pt.1. It has a couple of really
cool riffs, nice vocal melody, and a section in the middle which gets as prog
as you can get.
>My vote goes to "Lines In The Sand". It has the progressive lyrics, the mad
vocals, >it's long with echoes of Yes (the complex stuff) and Floyd (lyrics
over same chord >progressions, but with different embellishments to build
suspense, and a slow mid->section), and it has a heart-melting solo.
I love this song but the verse sections are kind of different than a lot of
other DT songs IMO so I wouldn't pick this. I kinda wish they could play it
live on this tour but that goes for about 20 or 25 other DT songs as well! In
fact, I think I'm gonna go listen to that song right now. That solo always
gets me going.
-Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:41:34 EST
From: DR1029@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5338
Message-ID: <4f.1362b87.25e5d83e@aol.com>
Star People is the band I play in...thank you very much
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:50:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5336
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0002231844440.16988-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Steven Zebrowski wrote:
> I was watching VH1 - Classic Rock last week and I managed to catch SIBLY. I
> figured, well, DT plays it so I might as well check out the original. I
> don't like it. I had to keep telling myself not to change the channel and
> to listen with an open mind, it can't be that bad. It was excruciating to
> not change the channel. If being a "bluesy" singer means just talk-singing
> randomly over the accompaniment without a care for whether or not there is
> music backing you, then Plant has it down perfectly. The band was fine.
> Sloppy, but that's what most rock bands thing blues is about. I like DT's
> version MUCH better. Much more intense (yet I think they take it a touch
> too fast).
I can't say anything to this except that you're a fool. :) That's one of
the best tunes ever...if you think it's wrong for a singer to stray
from the backbeat, it's just more evidence of your pathetic snobbery. And
for the record, I can't stand DTs version of this song. They took a great
blues tune and made it absolutely soulless, and labrie's voice, though
he's one of my all-time faves, just is not suited for that kind of song.
> Not only do I keep wondering what the next tour is going to be like, I keep
> wondering what the next album is going to be like! What the hell do you do
> after this?
Something good, hopefully. And also for the record, Bafu was a lot more
entertaining both in jest and seriousness than you ever were. :P On the
subject of Bafu, the pretenders to his throne of YtseClown have been
failing pretty consistently and badly. We need the real thing back! and
Eckie!
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:08:44 -0800
From: Jared <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Simpsons quotes (NDTC)
Message-ID: <200002240105.RAA23375@pop3.ucdavis.edu>
My faves are:
"Alchohol is the cause of, and solution to, all of our problems."
"Hey, can I borrow your BB gun sometime?
Sure, it never hurts to have a second set of prints on a gun."
"After this case of beer, and the next case of beer, there's only one more
case of beer left. We better get some more beer!"
"Let's just say the next bar that guy tries to rob better have a
handicapped ramp"
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:25:43 -0800
From: "Steven Zinck" <zincks@ohsu.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Ideal setlist on this tour
Message-ID: <s8b41823.005@gwsmtp.ohsu.edu>
Some of you been complaining about DT's setlist with Peruvian Skies and =
the medley being played after Met. 2, and some are even complaining about =
hearing Met. 2 played in its entirety every show. Personally, I think =
we're witnessing a piece of musical history seeing all of Met. 2 played, =
because I seriously doubt they're ever going to do it again on subsequent =
tours. But I agree it's sort of anticlimatic to hear anything after Met. =
2. So here's my ideal setlist for this current tour:
A Change of Seasons (in its entirety)
A Mind Beside Itself trilogy
Metropolis Part 1
Metropolis Part 2
That's about the same amount of time they're playing with the current =
setlist.
Bring it
Zinck
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:28:42 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: definitive DT song / simpsons quotes
Message-ID: <28.22fdefd.25e5e34a@aol.com>
A Change of Season, is there any question? Reflects every thing DT is about.
Simpson's quotes, off the top of my head
"My cat's breath smells like cat food." - Ralph
"I bent my Wookie." - Ralph
"School's out! Up yours, Krabbaple!" - Millhouse
and many others that I can't think of. Favorite scene of all-time has to be
Homer falling down Springfield Gorge. classic TV moment.
Jim
np - big wreck
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:34:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MY OPINIONS, WHICH ARE BETTER THAN EVERY BODY ELSE'S
Message-ID: <20000224013411.12469.qmail@web1102.mail.yahoo.com>
I myself think that Neil Peart is the greatest
drummer. Mike is good, but not as good as Neil. I
have the Rush tribute album, and Mike just can't
handle some of the parts and stuff, especially to La
Villa Strangiato. Fates Warning doing Closer to the
Heart is the best song on the tribute album. AS about
singers, I really like James voice on the new cd.
Many musicians change their sounds from cd to cd,
drummers change some parts of their playing and style,
why not singers? As about Phil Anselmo, from what I
have heard, Phil, a few years back, had so much weed
and almost OD, that he was considered clinically dead.
That is why his voice has suffered. I heard a new
song from them a couple nights ago, it is incredible,
it has a nice sound to it. As about Anthrax, I like
the Island years stuff without John Bush. The old
singer has a nice singing style, check out Persistence
of Time, great Anthrax cd. i wish that they would
still have their old lead guitarist they got rid of.
I like Geddy's voice. Many people hate his vocals
because it is a guy singing high, if it was a girl,
then maybe they wouldn't mind.
I am a new jammer. I started a few weeks ago. I am
only 15. I found out good songs to get people that
listen to different styles of music other than prog
rock, to listen to DT.
METAL Metallica/Panter/Megadeth
caught in a web (gotta love this one)
the mirror
lie (many people think this sounds like
Metallica in some parts)
burning my soul (I love these lyrics)
pull me under
Metropolis Pt. 1
Home
fortune in lies (probably my favorite song from DT)
RAP
6:00 (another fav) (a have people that only
listen to rap like this song a lot)
POP
through her eyes
hollow years
take away my pain
anna lee
Sure there are many bands that sound like others, some
of them identicals, but not DT. Of course they may
have some similar riffs or whatever that sound similar
to other songs, they still add their own flare and
version of it. If any of you have seen the Mike
Portnoy video, he talked about making charts. Every
section had a name of a song, riff, band, or anything
that they think of when they hear a certain riff. I
saw Metallica on there a couple of times and it was
the chart for dance of eternity. Whoever thinks that
song is crap, what the HELL are you thinking. That is
a great song. It has some great parts in it. I kind
of like Erotomania and Ytse Jam better. I hope that
DT plays YTSE JAM when they come to Dallas, that would
be great to see, I love that song. I wish I could see
them play the whole change of seasons to. The whole
thing of SFaM and aCofS, that would be all they need
to do and I would love it, maybe with A Fortune in
Lies thrown in after aCofS. I can't wait 'til the
show, that is if I can go. Always listen to Rush.
Oh, and whoever said they rather have 16 copies of
Rush's first album than any of the others, what is
wrong with you. I love hemispheres, moving pictures,
permanent waves, test for echo, and the new live one,
Different Stages, which is great, if you don't have
it, get it, it is fucking amazing.
=====
Mark Moore
drumming is life
"HOLD YOUR FIRE-KEEP IT BURNING BRIGHT
HOLD THE FLAME
'TIL THE DREAM IGNITES-A SPIRIT WITH A VISION
IS A DREAM WITH A MISSION
-Neil Peart
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:35:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <20000224013511.28055.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com>
And by the way, the best Simpsons quote is
"I'M NOT GAY, BUT I'LL LEARN."
I wonder if anybody remembers that one. From the
valentines one when Lisa gave Martin the valentine.
=====
Mark Moore
drumming is life
"HOLD YOUR FIRE-KEEP IT BURNING BRIGHT
HOLD THE FLAME
'TIL THE DREAM IGNITES-A SPIRIT WITH A VISION
IS A DREAM WITH A MISSION
-Neil Peart
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:45:23 -0800
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Topical stuff... (no ointments)
Message-ID: <074a01bf7e68$d15413b0$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Lemme see, something like:
Moe: "Homer, you're no longer welcome in this establishment. Turn right
around march out that exit!"
Barney: "There's an exit? Buuuuuuuuuuurp"
Wait a minute. We can't agree on another music group, but do we all like
the Simpsons? Nah, can't be that simple...
Favorite DT song: tie - Met 1 and Wait For Sleep/Learning to Live... And
then there's Scarred... And Space Die Vest... And Trial of Tears... Oh
crap, this is impossible!!! But I must say, OFB sure knows how to end an
album/CD with a killer emotional tune!
Paul
P.S.
Homer: "You kids suck. You're the suckiest suckers that ever sucked..."
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:59:25 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5338
Message-ID: <6d.183c02d.25e5ea7d@aol.com>
> Realized that kind of music wasnt for them?! LOL
> They just jumped in the look tough bad boy metal artist bandwagon...because
> it became uncool to be associated with glam or power metal.
More or less, but I try to be diplomatic.
Sean
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:59:26 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: The definitive Dream Theater song
Message-ID: <c7.26ae522.25e5ea7e@aol.com>
::shrug::
I'd have to say "UAGM".
Sean
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:20:26 -0500
From: loric.vilesilencer.ii@grnet.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The DEFINATIVE Dream Theater Song
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.20.2.23.-11.20.26.3050823104.4324591@cyberspace.grnet.com>
I will agree that IF we can count the "A Mind Beside Itself" Triology,
that would be my pick for the definative song. Erotomania was the song
that got my hooked on Dream Theater, and it's still one of my favorites.
The orchestration and execution are beyond compare, and the fact it had
Kevin Moore is a plus in my book.
If we DON'T count the triology, seeing that it is really three songs
with intertwined themes, my pick goes to Metropolis. It's got a kick ass
intro, it moves from heavy to light, it has an awesome (not to mention
long) bridge and soaring vocals for those of you who appreciate James'
ability to wail (personally, I like him a LOT more on FII/SFaM.
/_oric
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:34:01 CST
From: "Brian Ayers" <briancry@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: definitive song
Message-ID: <20000224023401.25000.qmail@hotmail.com>
"Oh Boy........
If we can consider it one song, my vote would lie with "A Mind
Beside
Itself". Erotomania is about as fun an instrumental as it gets,
including
bits of other works of theirs. Voices/The Silent Man make a pair
marvelous
works, great tunes with thoughtful lyrics."
I agree 100%!!! Eroromania has got to be the greatest instrumental of all
time, and Voices and The Silent Man thrown in make for their best IMHO!!!
Brian Ayers
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:41:51 -0500
From: "Christina Ricciardi" <Stardust@spiritofradio.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT tickets for NYC
Message-ID: <200002232141.AA179831074@mail.spiritofradio.com>
Would anyone happen to have extra tickets for Saturday's show at Roseland? If you gots 'em, I needs 'em. :) Please email me privately if you can help.
Thanks!
~Christina
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:39:29 +1100
From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tickets
Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9B366D07@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
Hey jammers
Im trying to get the attention of European jammers in particular today.
My brother is going to Slovakia in march and DT are playing in Stockholm
around the time he'll be there
He wants to know how the hell to get tickets
Either that or is there anyone trying to sell tickets to the Stockholm
show...?
Anything at all you could tell us would be great
Thanx :)
-Marie
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:03:44 -0800 (PST)
From: james Mccullough <bugroxx@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <20000224030344.555.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com>
I'll make it quick, definite DT songs, to me anyway
begin with ytse jam, Pull me under the obvious classic
and the mirror from awake is one of the best pieces of
music I think I've ever heard. I adore trial of tears
as well great composition. Anyways, Classic Simpsons
moment, Bart hands out Hymms to the congregation with
a devilish look on his face. Cut to reverend Lovejoy,
who leads the congregation in singing "In the garden
of eden" By "I. Ron Butterfly" and it only took him 17
odd minutes to figure out that rock and roll had found
it's way into gods house
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:15:12 EST
From: Jpbwildcat@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT at 9:30pm
Message-ID: <a4.10968bd.25e5fc40@aol.com>
Dammit, I am determined to meet more than Mike on this tour. I am going to
the Atlanta show next week. Should I wait by the bus.....where would be the
best place?
Thanks,
James
>Where'd yall go to meet the band afterwards? I didn't know where to go...
Dude, you must have run off too soon, because all 5 of them eventually came
right out front and met with fans(as they almost always do), and Steve Morse,
Rod M. and Mr. Goodman of the Dregs also stopped to chat for a few. Not bad
at all considering it was a chilly night, and most(if not all) family members
of OFB were in attendance, or at least in town.
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:17:02 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: Fates Warning Mailing List <fateswarning@egroups.com>,
Subject: Armored Saint chat and news...
Message-ID: <38B4A2AE.55A02849@ivorygate.com>
This in from the Detritus e-zine (http://detritus.web.com):
-Armored Saint's John Bush (vocals) and Joey Vera (bass) are doing an
AOL chat at 8:00 PM EST on March 8, keyword Rock Chat. Their comeback
album REVELATION is due the day before via Metal Blade. A special 2-CD
version is also in the works, but there are conflicting reports as to
what it will contain; some say disc #2 will be a lengthy CD-ROM video
bio, and others say there will be the video plus music, which may or
may not consist of the song "No Me Digas" (which already appears on
the regular version of the album) and material from their ancient s/t
EP. And remember when the band asked fans to submit ideas for a set
list? Their ArmoredSaint.com Webmaster just sent out a message saying
over 6,000 fans wrote in! All the votes haven't been counted yet, but
so far "Can U Deliver" is the #1 most requested song.
Also of note for Midnight fans, in the zine...
-In an interview with ex-Atheist vocalist Kelly Schaefer,
Metal-Rules.com stumbled upon this little nugget: ex-Atheist guitarist
Rand Burkey is working with ex-Crimson Glory vocalist Midnight! Read
the interview at http://www.metal-rules.com/ .
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:29:46 EST From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Heather's right...lets face it Message-ID: <1c.10c79ee.25e5ffaa@aol.com>
In a message dated 00-02-23 19:18:50 EST,Heather wrote:
<< I think "Take the Time" from Images and Words is the definitive Dream Theater song. It twists and turns all over the place. The solos are great and the lyrics are great (can you tell it's my favorite song?). Plus it was the first song that I ever heard from Dream Theater, which makes it that more special. Heather Jackson rdyfrde@hotmail.com >>
I echo this exactly !!!! When I heard this song I was floored....I had to have the disc A.S.A.P.....My first DT experience.
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