YTSEJAM Digest 5346
Today's Topics:
1) RE: If you spot us, don't be shy.../ Carvin Bass Amps, anyone?
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
2) DT @ Toads
by Teresa <tgedrai1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
3) Concept Albums
by "Degregory, David" <David.Degregory@ca.com>
4) Led Zep and DT covers in general
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
5) Re: If you spot us, don't be shy.../Philly
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
6) Art and such
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
7) RE: Devil Doll and art...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
8) Quote Unqote, "Grammys are kind of Bullshit"
by "Mark Philpot" <mark.philpot@duke.edu>
9) bohagers
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
10) RE: If you spot us, don't be shy.../ Carvin Bass Amps, anyone?
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) Re: If you spot us, don't be shy.../Philly
by "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
12) age and the aging jammer
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
13) Re: Pearl Jam
by Fett2002@aol.com
14) Getting mugged on memory lane
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
15) Re: bohagers
by "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
16) Dream Zeppelin & Definitive song
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
17) Re: Under a Glass Moon
by Psyd524@aol.com
18) Websites, MP, UaGM, Petrucci rack
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
19) Mini-concept
by Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
20) Re: Pearl Jam
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
21) ESP Electric Guitar for sale
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
22) Plant
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
23) Re: Websites, MP, UaGM, Petrucci rack
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:57:57 -0500
From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Cc: "'gkampf@mondenet.net'" <gkampf@mondenet.net>
Subject: RE: If you spot us, don't be shy.../ Carvin Bass Amps, anyone?
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC018B0668@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
Greg Kampf came out of lurker mode and said,
>My fiance Helen and I may be the only two Canadians in attendance
>at the Roxy, and you should be able to recognize us immediately:
>we'll be the kind ones holding doors for people, picking up
>dropped beer bottles (for safety reasons); and we'll likely be looking
fairly
>intimidated by the tempestuousness of the rowdy American crowd.
What - you're saying we Bostonians are too rude to hold doors open for
people? :)
I'm actually pissed off that I can't go see DT the day after my birthday,
since when I went to get tickets for myself, my fiancee, and a couple of
friends, I found out they were sold out. Oh, if I had a chainsaw, it would
have gotten REAL ugly then.
No matter. Anyways, anyone out there know anything about Carvin Bass amps?
I'm in the market for new ampage (had some Eden's, the girlfriend is wearing
them now on her finger in the form of a diamond, the gallstone of the
earth), and wonder if anyone's had experience with them that they may wish
to impart on me before I shell out major ching. Any response would be
welcome (apart from "You're an asshole."). Thanks!
- Nick
Nicholas Giannotti
Joint STARS Joint Program Office / ESC/JSOK
Electronic Data Management / Keyfile
System Resources Corporation (Support Contractor)
email: giannottin@hanscom.af.mil / phone: 781-377-6915 DSN 478-6915
"Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise." -
Some dead guy.
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:05:56 -0500
From: Teresa <tgedrai1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT @ Toads
Message-ID: <38B68C44.84711BF4@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I was at all the early Christmas shows and remember when people actually
had enough room to mosh and crowd surf. I think the crowd had a lot more
fun at those shows because they didn't feel like sardines. None of those
were as bad as the one on Wed night where I couldn't even breathe. As
for the net, it just makes everything worse so that's why my friends and
I just cut through it!
Teresa
>yes Wednesdays show at Toads was packed, as usual. sold out as was the
>FII show there, as I recall the evening with DT last year,the mellow
>show and not sold out as I recall.
> o k people complaining about the rowdiness of shows, you
>youngins obviously weren't around on I&W tour and even Awake and the
>early X-mas shows, when mosh pits and many crowd surfers kicking you in
>the head were the norm, now this show at Toads was nothing compared to
>years past. I was about 5 row center, yeah theres always pushing and
>jockeying for position, if your stuck next to an asshole, try to slide
>away from them, like 1 or 2 people away, dont let them ruin the show
for
>you. either that or start working out, I usually tell people to let up
>with the elbows and they usually do!
>or go stand in back where you cant see shit.
> as far as the under 21 bullshit net thing, fuck that I wouldn't stand
>behind a net , either make it a 21 and over show, or play the Webster
in
>Hartford., they definately pack too many people into toads,
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:22:26 -0500
From: "Degregory, David" <David.Degregory@ca.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Concept Albums
Message-ID: <A5988AA007ACD311B7E4009027AA4EED014611B8@usilms05.cai.com>
I'm wondering why no bands (at
least that I know of) have attemted to make a sort of "mini-concept album"
on
an othersise non-concept album. For example, why not just have 3 or 4 songs
on an album that have one story going for them together, while the rest of
the album is not part of the story. I always though it would interesting for
Queensryche to try this. Has been done before??
I can think of a few. Of course there's 2112, Hemispheres, and Caress of
Steel from Rush. Parellels from Fates Warning strikes me as having a theme
run through it, but each song certainly stands on its own very well. I
think Styx was the best at creating concept albums (Paradise Theater and
Kilroy) where individual songs stand on their own (Too Much Time On My
Hands, The Best of Times, Kilroy Was Here, Don't Let It End).
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:38:46 +0100
From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Led Zep and DT covers in general
Message-ID: <200002251435.PAA28467@altair.ceu.hu>
This Led Zep cover debate just reminded me of what I think of
DT covers in general: they mostly suck.
Of course I am a DT fanatic, that is why I am here, but when it
comes to them doing covers.......I dunno....
They don't really reinterpret them. They don't "put themselves
into them", which makes them pretty empty. IMHO, of course, and
good for you if you enjoy them.
I think the behated Metallica would make a good comparison:
they traditionally made great covers, which are asked for when they
play live, and they rip (IMstupidTrendyOpinion). I mean, Blitzkrieg,
Evil, Breadfan, or even Whiskey, to name a new one. Now when
they play these, the Metalifans (those idiots) enjoy them as if they
were Met songs.
Megadeth - Anarchy or Paranoid is Megadethy too.
Typo Negative has a Beatles cover on the new album, and it is
totally Typo! Typo played from the Doors too, that was great too.
But not DT. I don't enjoy their covers. Except when they don't
take it seriously! NIGHTMARE CINEMA was groovy, or also
MISSION impossible was also great in the earlier tours - because it
was done for fun!
But man, listen to the 5years video, it ain't the stuff.
Does anyone feel the same??
T-Bone
ps I told Jordan Rudess in a private e-mail that they should do
Prokofiev covers. Does anyone like this composer? He is a total
prognut, "classical", XX.century, russian, and totally kickass. If you
want to check him out, check out his "3rd piano concerto". Jordan
agreed with me that it is the best one.
Jordan actually answers e-mails sometimes, btw. Well, it could be
his wife, you never know, eh?
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:02:56 -0600 (CST)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: If you spot us, don't be shy.../Philly
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002250856540.10824-100000@darkhorse.webzone.net>
On 02/25/00 12:40am, thus spake Greg Kampf:
| My fianc=E9e Helen and I may be the only two Canadians in attendance
| at the Roxy, and you should be able to recognize us immediately:
| we'll be the kind ones holding doors for people, picking up dropped
| beer bottles (for safety reasons); and we'll likely be looking fai=
| rly intimidated by the tempestuousness of the rowdy American crowd.
do you have 2-part heads, a la Southpark? :) i know James does. fairly
easy to spot, i'd think.
Philly tonight: i'll be the guy with long hair, dark shirt (Tool),
jeans, surrounded by my 6' blonde possee.
-- j O H N jjens@webzone.net http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens E N S(aveur)------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:37:21 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Art and such Message-ID: <20000225153721.56087.qmail@hotmail.com>
> >On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, mikel pontificated: > >> This type of thing is spouted by new age hippies and the like, > >> where people make art for arts sake. But what is the purpose of art?
That's up to the artist. Usually when they try to put it under the Ars Gratis Artis umbrella, they want people to think (unoriginal as stated, novel in implication)
> >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake.
The man fronting Devil Doll reputedly is the type. But that's possibly hype.
>From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: Art For Art's Sake ... >I don't make art for ART'S sake. I make art for MY sake. 'Nuff said.
damn right!
>and don't tell me you have an emotional connection to that giant horse made >of welded together car parts.
I assure you it's purely platonic. The moaning and heavy breathing you here is... just my cat... he's sick.
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:59:11 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Devil Doll and art... Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF4F6@AMSC_NTAS>
> > >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake. > > The man fronting Devil Doll reputedly is the type. But > that's possibly hype.
As far as I can tell, it's genuine - how else to you explain the extremely disturbed-but-truly-excellent music, the odd distribution, the extreme gaps between releases, and the general lack of information on Mr. Doctor? There's too little stuff for him to even be enigmatic...
If it's a marketing act, it's not a successful one. Musically, however, it scores brilliantly...
Mike NP: "Clutching at Straws" - Marillion
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:58:44 -0500 From: "Mark Philpot" <mark.philpot@duke.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Quote Unqote, "Grammys are kind of Bullshit" Message-ID: <000701bf7fa9$32d23220$6ef41098@duke.edu>
Was looking at CDnow and found this interesting speil by Elton John:
And I quote:
Elton John, who received the Grammy Legend Award, was quite outspoken with his views of the Grammys. In the backstage press area after the show on Wednesday (Feb. 24), John said, "I don't want to slag the Grammys, but it's kind of bullshit."
"Who's to say what the best record is or whatever?" he continued. "This is the first time I've ever done the Grammys in 30 years of my career. It's very nice to get this award, and it's very generous of the American people to give me it, because my career started in America; these shows sometimes are still full of bullshit."
John wasn't done yet and moved on to his next target -- videos: "I am not a lover of videos. Videos are bullshit as well. I hate them. Fuck videos. That's what I say. Put a band on the road; let them earn their coin by playing together. They write better songs. Look at Macy Gray; she's been on the road the whole year. Not making fucking videos."
John touted his picks as rising artists to watch. "I've been campaigning for Macy Gray, Moby, and Groove Armada all year. Macy Gray's album is No. 11 next week; Moby's is 71 with a bullet. I'm so happy with this quality music, and the Groove Armada record's just been released. It's great," he continued. "I went onstage with Moby Tuesday (allstar, Feb. 23) night at the House of Blues, and it was so much fun, went to see Macy Gray there, too. They're inspiring; they've got new energy; it's fantastic."
=) I'm glad someone else has this same view =)
Anyway, back to the endless amount of work that is school...
Mark Philpot mep10@duke.edu np: Demons and Wizards
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:00:43 -0500 From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: bohagers Message-ID: <16005551709111@vwc.edu>
Matt Lough wrote:
>so the lady on the recording said it was the new bohager's (at parrot >island)? that's important to know, considering i'm used to going to the old >bohager's next to the bakery. the new one at parrot island (w/ the dome) is >huge.
I've only been in Baltimore six months and have not been to Bohagers, so I went and looked it up. The address given with the change of location was 701 South Eden St, which is Fells Point, which is basically a bit east of Inner Harbor Tourist Central.
Directions to the club (including a map):
http://www.bohagers.com/info.htm
Hey, at least I weaseled out of an extra two bucks in "service charges" since I'd already bought my ticket from Protix instead of Ticketmaster...
Jaime the Dragon, going to a DT show in her home city (state, even!) for the first time since 1993. Imagine that!
---------------------------------------------- love is a strange thing it depends what one gives and sometimes to give means give someone away
- Jane Siberry
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:05:43 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: If you spot us, don't be shy.../ Carvin Bass Amps, anyone? Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117BB5@MESSAGING>
> No matter. Anyways, anyone out there know anything about Carvin Bass amps? > I'm in the market for new ampage (had some Eden's, the girlfriend is wearing > them now on her finger in the form of a diamond, the gallstone of the > earth), and wonder if anyone's had experience with them that they may wish > to impart on me before I shell out major ching. Any response would be > welcome (apart from "You're an asshole."). Thanks!
I have played Carvin's (the R1000) with Carvin "Red Eye" 4x10 and 1x15 cabs. I was VERY impressed by the tone quality and sheer VOLUME that these amps put out. The tone was clear and punchy, very rich, and can be tweaked to perfection with any style of music. I play funk (with a 4-string Warwick), blues (with a 4-string Warwick), and progressive metal (with a 6-string Yamaha RBXJM - YEAH!), and I can get the amp to do whatever the hell I want it to. It is endlessly loud, and sounds great at high volume. The coolest thing about them is the price - $1230 + shipping for the head, the 4x10, and the 1x15. And that's direct from Carvin's website! For $50 more you can step up to the 1x18, but that just doesn't do it for me... :)
BTW - Steve Vai's bassist, Philip Bynoe, uses this EXACT same rig on tour.
Hope this helps,
David Dixon david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:14:37 -0500 From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: If you spot us, don't be shy.../Philly Message-ID: <002501bf7fab$7463dca0$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com>
my friend will bw wearing a purple long sleeve button (pretty nifty looking if you ask me), i'll be in a blue long sleeve button up w/ glasses (and maybe my sailor hat . . . just to get noticed), and my other friend will look depressed and normal. so look for us if you dare!
matt.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: Re: If you spot us, don't be shy.../Philly
> > On 02/25/00 12:40am, thus spake Greg Kampf: > > | My fianc=E9e Helen and I may be the only two Canadians in attendance > | at the Roxy, and you should be able to recognize us immediately: > | we'll be the kind ones holding doors for people, picking up dropped > | beer bottles (for safety reasons); and we'll likely be looking fai= > | rly intimidated by the tempestuousness of the rowdy American crowd. > > do you have 2-part heads, a la Southpark? :) i know James does. fairly > easy to spot, i'd think. > > Philly tonight: i'll be the guy with long hair, dark shirt (Tool), > jeans, surrounded by my 6' blonde possee. > > -- > j O H N jjens@webzone.net http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens > E > N > S(aveur) >
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:27:36 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: age and the aging jammer Message-ID: <20000225162736.44673.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >Subject: Re: Unsubbers / How long...?
>Can it really be that after only a year and a half I'm becoming one of the >"senior" members of the 'Jam? How many people we got here since the >beginning? How many that are 3-4 years old? 2-3?
D, A <- 7 years each, though by different names way back when
damn, now I feel old. - D
J, J, U, I <- less than one
>/me wants to find out how many people there are that are REALLY old >jammers.
I wonder where C-man and the rest got to...
>/me also realizes he's posted like 15 messages today
It happens. I think we've collectively dumped 5 today...
JAJUID
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:30:44 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pearl Jam Message-ID: <2.1305ed1.25e80834@aol.com>
> The trilogy starts > with "Alive", followed by "Once" and ends with >"Footsteps". Without going in to too much detail, the > song deals with a man who's life just goes to shit > really really fast. The songs aren't in that order on > Pearl Jam's 'Ten' CD (hell, "Footsteps" isn't even on >it, but there's a really good reason for that which > I'll be happy to explain if anyone doesn't know why)
I'd love to know why. It never made any sense to me. I love Footsteps, and it would have seemed to make sense for that to have appeared on the first album. Is it maybe because it was included on the Temple of the Dog album as Times of Trouble? For those who don't know, Footsteps and Times of Trouble have the same music but Vedder came up with the lyrics and vocal melody for Footsteps while Chris Cornell came up with the lyrics and vocal melody for Times of Trouble. It's pretty interesting to hear the same song go in 2 different directions. -Mike C.
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:41:49 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Getting mugged on memory lane Message-ID: <20000225164149.2128.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> >Subject: How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer
>Damn, I've spent too long here, I think. :) Let's see... in the >beginning, >I first subscribed back in Dec. 1994 from college. People might remember >me >as being some schmuck named <reischar@ucs.isu.edu> and signing off as Mr. >Chuckalupugus.
I remember you posting opening a show with the Sesame Street theme. That was too cool
Man, you've gotten a lot more sarcastic in your old age. but I suppose people have to change.
D/J
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:00:06 -0500 From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: bohagers Message-ID: <001101bf7fb1$c457f1a0$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com>
I live in Baltimore, I was just checking which building it was going to be in, because i know over the summer they were using the boh-dome building, i don't know what they're using. the address you gave is for parrot island. i was just checking to make sure.
matt.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: bohagers
> > Matt Lough wrote: > > >so the lady on the recording said it was the new bohager's (at parrot > >island)? that's important to know, considering i'm used to going to the old > >bohager's next to the bakery. the new one at parrot island (w/ the dome) is > >huge. > > > I've only been in Baltimore six months and have not been to Bohagers, so I > went and looked it up. The address given with the change of location was > 701 South Eden St, which is Fells Point, which is basically a bit east of > Inner Harbor Tourist Central. > > Directions to the club (including a map): > > http://www.bohagers.com/info.htm > > > Hey, at least I weaseled out of an extra two bucks in "service charges" > since I'd already bought my ticket from Protix instead of Ticketmaster... > > > Jaime the Dragon, going to a DT show in her home city (state, even!) for > the first time since 1993. Imagine that! > > ---------------------------------------------- > love is a strange thing > it depends what one gives > and sometimes to give means > give someone away > > - Jane Siberry >
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Date: 25 Feb 2000 17:01:06 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Zeppelin & Definitive song Message-ID: <20000225170106.20225.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> >Subject: Re: Re DT/Zep >Now, you were talking about the live version
>From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: DT/Zep >Just out of curiousity, were you listening to >the original album version of SIBLY, or a >live version?
I'm glad a couple of people noticed that. The studio version is great, I like it a lot. But the live version from "The Song Remains The Same" is absolutely awful. Unlistenably bad vocals.
>original. The only obvious exception is >Petrucci's guitar solo which ends, as it does >all too often, with an unnecessary flurry of notes.
This is something he always does, the only notable exception that I can think of is LITS. It's as if he just can't help himself, no matter how hard he tries. Normally it's not a problem, but on the cover of Hey You (cheers for that one, Volker!) it very nearly grates. I guess that's the price he pays for being too good!
>Zep, unlike DT, improvised a lot on stage so
Yeah, I'd really like to see DT doing something like that on stage. I mean, if they can come up with 3 Minute Warning in a jam enviroment, what's wrong with a quick five-or-ten-minute goof around? They haven't done that since the Images & Tour days that I know of.
As for the definitive DT song, right now TTT and AMBI are running away with it...I don't know about TTT, because there's no over-the-top indulgent guitar solo (which is on virtually everything else) and AMBI hasn't got that cool Myung-driven verse part sa found on so many DT songs (TTT, LITS, LTL etc.). Do we count AMBI? I don't mind either way, although Voices would be a good nominee. Can I just remind everyone though, no-one's ever going to agree on a favourite DT song, that's not the discussion - we're interested in the song that captures the most of all those elements that make DT sound like DT and summarises them. My favourite song (right now...it changes) is Surrounded, but I wouldn't call it definitive.
~Simon
P.s. By the way, does anyone else think that it's safe to say that, from the account in Home, Julian was "blinded by a pair of dice"? ;)
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:13:49 EST From: Psyd524@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Under a Glass Moon Message-ID: <b2.1dd982f.25e8124d@aol.com>
Great song, I love it. I especially love the guitar solo and the part where Kevin Moore is playing that one part, and it seems like the rest of the band is playing on random beats(they're not obviously). It shows a little more of their metal side in the beginning; very epic, then very crunchy.
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Date: 25 Feb 2000 17:25:41 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Websites, MP, UaGM, Petrucci rack Message-ID: <20000225172541.23753.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>I was recently searching for DT on altavista >and the Kerri Strug Homepage came up as a >favorite bands. She even has "To Live Forever" >playing in the background! (for those of you
Just as a note to anyone thinking of building webpages, I have only one thing to say. Any time I go onto a webpage and it whines at me for ten minutes before announcing it can't start MIDI sound, I find an e-mail address and flood their box. It's goddamned annoying! If we want MIDI sound, we'll ask for it, but if it's just there, it fucks up computers as badly as JAVA script!
>From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: Carefull with that quote, Eugene > >"Awake ." wrote: >> I think MP is quite into lyrics, it's just a >>shame he's not so good at writing them (sorry, MP > >You don't like lyrics in THE ENTIRE ACOS ?!? Or >you probably hate the lyrics in >STRANGE DEJA-VU ?!?
Actually, you're right, I'm being unfair. The Mirror was fantastic lyrics, as did ACoS. But every other song MP's contributed lyrics to (yes, including SD-V) it's just been boring at best, rubbish at worst.
>But. How is that any different from sfam?
Because SFaM is not just one song!!!!
>From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5337 >of the few people to actually LIKE UAGM ?!? >Is this true ? Don't you guys (and gals) like >listening to this song ? How come ? I think it's >great. That heavy riffage before singing is just >thundering ! Oh yeah, the solo is awesome, >but so is the instrumental part before it, >and Kev's solo after it (if you were
No, I hate it. It sounds to me like they built it around the riff and the instrumental section; the result is the lyrics aren't up to much (Metropolis lite, really) and the verse music just isn't very good. Not my cuppa tea.
>Am I in the minority with Clay here ?
Proably not, I think I'm in a minority of one on this.
>However how can you overlook the live version >of AH/TKH that came as a bonus on the Hollow >Years CD single (jap) ?? Absolutely brilliant. >What cool DT element do you not have here ??
Well, John Myung, basically. There's a lot of songs that are entirely driven by JM, as I explained in my last post.
>which is true. Has anyone also noticed in >the new lexicon mpx-g2 ads, jp's quoted in it, >saying it helped him replace his 2 22-space racks >with one 10-space. I think this quote came >from the LTE2 sessions. His rack now is back >to it's huge normal self, and no Mpx-g2 in sight.
Anyone got an up-to-date list/photo/diagram of what JP's using these days? The one from the MESA homepage was back from the Awake days...Quite old.
~Simon
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:59:22 +0100 (CET) From: Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mini-concept Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002252056500.1667-100000@holly.sbbs.se>
Could someone tell me why "A mind beside itself" doesn't count as a mini-concept? (sorry if it's been mentioned)
Erik
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:00:55 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pearl Jam Message-ID: <20000225190056.2222.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com>
> I'd love to know why. It never made any sense to me. > I love Footsteps, and it > would have seemed to make sense for that to have > appeared on the first album. > Is it maybe because it was included on the Temple of > the Dog album as Times > of Trouble? For those who don't know, Footsteps and > Times of Trouble have the > same music but Vedder came up with the lyrics and > vocal melody for Footsteps > while Chris Cornell came up with the lyrics and > vocal melody for Times of > Trouble. It's pretty interesting to hear the same > song go in 2 different > directions.
Yeah, that's right. W/o going into too many specifics, Eddie and Chris ended up writing their own versions of the same tune. Eddie didn't want "Footsteps" to detract from the power of Temple Of The Dog's "Times Of Trouble", so he put a live version (although a super one) of "Footsteps" on the "Jeremy" single and left it at that. And since "Footsteps" didn't appear on Ten, there was basically no reason to follow "Alive" with "Once". But those songs are a trilogy and IMHO a damned fine one.
===== *Trent
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:34:37 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ESP Electric Guitar for sale Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117BBC@MESSAGING>
If anyone is interested in buying an ESP LTD MH-300 electric, I have one for sale (trans. black cherry finish, EMG pickups, neck-thru construction). Go to http://www.espguitars.com/html/mh.htm for specs. E-mail privately please! :)
I'm also interested in trading for other gear, so let me know if you have anything you'd like to trade for this kick-ass guitar.
NP: Death - Symbolic.m3u
Thanks, David Dixon david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:19:32 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Plant Message-ID: <38B66544.A6BC1AD8@mol.com.mk>
> From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> > > Why do you keep making assumptions and objective statements. You do > know that you aren't the center of truth and the be all and end of > all of all arguments. By consensus (sp?) Plant has always been > regarded as one of the best singers in rock and many people > (including me) think that Sibly is one of his best performances. > He's just got a bit of the blues in his voice thats all.
Amen brother! :) Actually dudes saying SIBLY in crappy singing has problems with BLUES style. Trashy metal-heads cannot dig the blues groove. Watch out, narrow-mindness is a dangerous thing. But go explain that to a teenager. doh
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:14:24 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Websites, MP, UaGM, Petrucci rack Message-ID: <200002252014.MAA09718@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Awake ." thus begged: > >>I was recently searching for DT on altavista >>and the Kerri Strug Homepage came up as a >>favorite bands. She even has "To Live Forever" >>playing in the background! (for those of you > >Just as a note to anyone thinking of building webpages, I have only one thing to say. Any time I go onto a webpage and it whines at me for ten minutes before announcing it can't start MIDI sound, I find an e-mail address and flood their box. It's goddamned annoying! If we want MIDI sound, we'll ask for it, but if it's just there, it fucks up computers as badly as JAVA script! >
If you weren't such an idiot you'd just turn your MIDI volume down.
-The Doc
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