YTSEJAM Digest 5350
Today's Topics:
1) Stratovarius (Infinite) Bonus tracks
by "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
2) Re: Stratovarius
by "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
3) RE: I wish I were a Backstreet Boy
by Babyfr10@aol.com
4) blue grass dregs
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
5) Re: Last Century
by Fett2002@aol.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5349
by "Pat Sullivan" <sullys@mediaone.net>
7) still Prokofiev
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5349
by BrianSteedman@aol.com
9) Various topics
by IAmClay777@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5348
by Smirk36@aol.com
11) Re: Last Century
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
12) Backstreet Boys, take two.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) The Bottle
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Backdoor bands, thoughts on music in general
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) Re: The Bottle
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
16) UAGM
by "Da Vinci" <lucasvinci@yahoo.com>
17) JP's new guitar? & Carvin
by "Carlton Hobbs" <Carlton_Hobbs@email.msn.com>
18) PROGMETAL.NET is TOTALLY Reconstructed and EEEPM is online. Read on!
by "MichaelM" <michael@progmetal.net>
19) Headline: NYC DT show! More rambling than spoilers.
by Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
20) REVIEW: Star People/Dregs/DT at Roseland, NYC
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
21) DT comes "Home" - NYC show *spoilers*
by Scarred2112@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:28:49 +0200
From: "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Stratovarius (Infinite) Bonus tracks
Message-ID: <0791F50790CE3D11DA6D0005B80363D1@janne_lunnas.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>From: "Kai Kortelainen" <kai.kortelainen@pp.inet.fi>
>Reply-To: stratovarius@egroups.com
>To: <stratovarius@egroups.com>
>Subject: [stratovarius] Bonus tracks
>Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:23:13 +0200
>
>Why are we here by T.Tolkki and It's a mystery by J.Johansson.
So if you buy Infinite CD with bonus CD, you'll be able to hear two
songs that are written by Jens! "It's a mystery" has quite funny
lyrics and is a different kind of Stratovarius song. Now it would be
great to hear those two unpublished Strato songs made by Jens
"Maniac" Johansson. Those two bonus songs are big favorites of mine
and they remind me of the heavy metal songs of the 80's. =)
Definitely not ordinary Strato stuff!
Janne
"If I die tomorrow
I'd be all right
Because I believe
That after we're gone
The spirit carries on"
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:51:21 +0200
From: "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Stratovarius
Message-ID: <BC91F50790CE3D11DA6D0005B80363D1@janne_lunnas.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:28:06 +0200
>From: "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi>
>To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: Stratovarius
>Message-ID: <003701bf8097$fe07bc00$6be726d4@masiina>
>> Strange, I think that it's J=3DF6rg's best work in Stratovarius so
>far..
>>
>Actually I haven't never been a big fan of J=F6rg's. He just sounds
>like =
>some
>kind of a drum machine to me. It's just my opinion so don't flame
>me. I k=
>now that TT thinks the exact opposite.
Yes he does but I think you are also right, in some songs I have
noticed the same thing but in some songs his playing is quite
"living" or how could I put it in words, anyway you know what I try
to say.
> Jens seems to
> >have more freedom in the band and Tolkki even used one of Jens
> >songs on the album :)
>
>> Yes, It's a very good song and Timo Tolkki says in one new
>interview
>> that it was the easiest of the four songs that Jens wrote for this
>> album and I would be very interested to hear those three other
>songs
>> (that didn't make it to the album, unfortunately) too!
>Did you buy the normal version of Infinite? On the boxed set is one
>more song by Jens. It's called 'It's a mystery'.
I bought the boxed set. Not a bad price for two extra songs, ten
marks more than the normal version. That multimedia interview of TT
is quite interesting but the picture and sound quality sucks ass.
>>What do you Stratovarius fan Jammers think about the song
>>"Millennium"?
>I don't like it much. Worst song on Infinite IMO.
When I heard it first it sounded horrible and the song title is quite
foolish, some Millennium crap. But when I listened to it several
times it just somehow started to sound quite good. Still it's the
worst song of the album.
Janne
"If I die tomorrow
I'd be all right
Because I believe
That after we're gone
The spirit carries on"
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:05:00 EST
From: Babyfr10@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: I wish I were a Backstreet Boy
Message-ID: <13.1f028ef.25e9d23c@aol.com>
Korg wrote:
>I'm a moron now! Woo hoo! I've graduated from imbecile! It's incredible
>how people will think that they are actually superior to someone just from
>the music they listen to. To be quite honest, I think the Backstreet Boys
>are alright. Fine. I admit it. Granted their music isn't the most
>intellectual or spectacular, but it serves its purpose. It gives people
>something enjoyable to listen to.
3 days of posting in a row...not somehting usual for me...just wanted to
say that one of the best parts about his jam are the different musical
opinions people have. People like what they like and if people are closed
minded enough to insult others for their tastes, and consider themselves
superior based on their opinions, then we'll never expand our musical
opinions past our own self centered ones. I like hearing people's opinions,
especially ones that I would've never expected or don't agree with.
Sarah
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:27:39 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: blue grass dregs
Message-ID: <20000227012739.12543.qmail@hotmail.com>
That song thatsounded like some blue grass was insane!
It's called 'the bash', and it's a medly of two bluegrass standards: The
Wabash Cannonball and Rocky Top
-Banjoman wonders if there could possibly be ANOTHER bluegrass fan on
this list =^)
np: Majesty - Another Won.mp3
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:59:37 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Last Century
Message-ID: <4f.14934bc.25e9df09@aol.com>
>hehehe. I've never heard a singer that sounded like that from the 19th
>Century. Maybe that's because there wasn't any way to record them back
> then. So how would this guy know?
>You know, considering that the next century doesn't start until next year,
>that guy just demonstrated his incompentance, no? :)
You KNOW what the guy meant. That argument is so old. Does it rellty matter
whether the 21st century begins this year or next? No, not really.
-Mike C.
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:06:48 -0500
From: "Pat Sullivan" <sullys@mediaone.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5349
Message-ID: <200002270206.VAA14819@chmls06.mediaone.net>
On 26 Feb 00, at 16:33, ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> I've often wondered,
> too, how much it would cost to purchase the Trademark for 21st Century
> Fox, just to piss of the company and make them pay me big bucks for it.
Actually, I read somewhere that they had already bought the
trademark on that, just in case.
Dunno about Century 22 Real Estate though.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 03:24:01 +0100
From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: still Prokofiev
Message-ID: <200002270221.DAA08300@altair.ceu.hu>
In her/his recent electronic letter, YTSEJAM digest 5349 stated:
>
> I agree about Prokofiev. ELP covered some Prokofiev pieces, one of
> which titled "The Enemy God ......."was featured on the Works album.
> Very heavy and aggresive song!
>
Woww! That is new to me! I am going to a record shop ASAP!
Thanks, buddy.
Tibor
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:36:03 EST
From: BrianSteedman@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5349
Message-ID: <9.29ed105.25e9e793@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/26/00 7:28:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< > that it's out of their range of comprehension. That sets me apart from
> morons who listen to Britney Spears or the Backstreet Boys.
I'm a moron now! Woo hoo! I've graduated from imbecile! It's incredible
how people will think that they are actually superior to someone just from
the music they listen to. To be quite honest, I think the Backstreet Boys
are alright. Fine. I admit it. Granted their music isn't the most
intellectual or spectacular, but it serves its purpose. It gives people
something enjoyable to listen to.
>>
I have one problem with your comment on "something enjoyable to listen to".
The fact of the matter is, that if you go up to any 10 BSB fans and ask them
why they like BSB, I bet you 9 out of 10 will say something along the lines
of "Cause they're so hot!" They don't buy the records for the music, they
buy the records so they can masterbate to the liner note pictures. Tell me
I'm wrong. I'm surprised we haven't seen BSB merchandise the way they did
with David Cassidy and the Partridge Family back in the 70's. Can you
imagine BSB lunch boxes? Scary...
The Spirit Carries On,
Brian
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:28:09 EST
From: IAmClay777@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Various topics
Message-ID: <7d.19e7471.25e9f3c9@aol.com>
A bunch of stuff:
About favorite/definite DT songs: I'd have to go with TTT, for many reasons
which have been stated already, like the awesome intro (And it DEFINITELY has
an over-indulgent guitar solo), including the fact that part of the
instrumental section reminds me of the theme song from this old tv show I
used to watch in Holland (Yes, I'm Dutch). It's so awesome, esp. i Live in
Tokyo where JP jumps over the amp.
About Voices: Awesome song, although I think it drags on a bit too long... I
love to play the bass intro parts, they're so cool... Plus it's got that
amusing part in it where it sounds like LaBrie is singing about sex the whole
time (I feel the leg, I feel the....sex is right here on my crucifix), and
yes, I know those aren't the lyrics, but they sure sound like them.
About UAGM/Scarred: These are two of the best DT songs, esp. Scarred. I
woin't call them definitive though, because they are both very one-off, and
DT hasn't really done anything like either of them again. On another note, I
hate that triplet run after the second chorus in Scarred. It really seems to
ruin the mood of the song for me.
About DT Covers: I'll agree with the flurry of notes thing, although I love
their cover of Damage Inc. on 5 Years. On another note, I love Metallica, and
even if their recent work has been weak, with very stupid pictures, I don't
think it's them so much as Bob Rock/Anton Corbijn.
Last comment, about Star People: I didn't think they were all that bad,
except for a few things: Their bassist had some cool lines, but he didn't
look like he was having any fun at all. I didn't even notice they had a
guitarist until they took his guitar offstage, I didn't know where he was
during the set. The 2D alien thing is really gimmicky and cheesy, it'd be a
good diea to stop with that. A really, really good idea. However, the singing
was good, and the violinist was good, and she was pretty hot, so that made
the set worht watching. The DC show was awesome. I was in the front, stage
left, going crazy; JP appreciated it a lot, I think. :-)
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:36:29 EST
From: Smirk36@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5348
Message-ID: <b9.10a5e5b.25e9f5bd@aol.com>
please DELETE me from this list
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:10:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Last Century
Message-ID: <20000227051055.21989.qmail@web505.mail.yahoo.com>
> You KNOW what the guy meant. That argument is so
> old. Does it rellty matter
> whether the 21st century begins this year or next?
> No, not really.
I have no idea what that guy meant. "Those vocals are
SO last century". Maybe there's something I'm missing
out on, but he just wanted to point out that 20th
century is over (even tho it isn't) by making a
moronic statement. The guy's an idiot.
=====
*Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue.
People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes.
There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead.
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them.
So I try to forget them anyway I can."
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:49:32 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Backstreet Boys, take two.
Message-ID: <003101bf80e6$70e3bd70$7d0d84d0@default>
> The fact of the matter is, that if you go up to any 10 BSB fans and ask
> why they like BSB, I bet you 9 out of 10 will say something along the
> of "Cause they're so hot!"
Does it matter? I mean really? Is it actually a crime to enjoy listening
to something so simple? The BB's have a larger fanbase than 15 year old
little girls. So what if they don't play their own stuff? I'd like to see
you take that attitude into any redneck bar in this state and see if you
make it out with your two front teeth. "Ha ha. Alan Jackson is a moron
because he doesn't write his own stuff." *punch* "Ow, fuck! My teeth!"
The one thing that just totally seems to escape your mind is that people
>actually like their music.< I agree with you on the manufactured bit. I'm
just as pissed off at the grammies and how I could write a song comparable
to a Ricky Martin song, but I would never make it big because I'm overweight
and have a small penis. But regardless, they record some good tunes. If
you don't like it, fine, but I find it rather rediculous (and ballsy!) to
pigeonhole some 20+ million people as "morons" simply because they like a
particular group/song/whatever.
I mean, some people like cars simply because they are red, not because they
have a 400hp engine in them. See what I mean? Music just means that much
more to you. It's absolutely unfair to tell those people who like red they
are idiots simply because their interest level is lower than yours.
If, for some BB fans, it is reason number 2 or 3 that they like the BBs, so
what? I like them for their music Number One. Their being so hot is number
two. *shrug*
-- KorgX3 scrubs out his linty bellybutton with your toothbrush.------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:51:03 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Bottle Message-ID: <200002270551.VAA28627@gms.gmsnet.com>
All this talk about Strato and Jens... amazing how DT passed him up, but I guess he would've been an odd fit, even though he's a "wizard" as someone put it, I guess he's too much into pining down a pint and being metal... heheh
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:36:14 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Backdoor bands, thoughts on music in general Message-ID: <000d01bf80ec$f1800780$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
While we are on the topic I would like to throw in my $.02. While I = do find it annoying that the backstreet boys and all of their clones have little to no musical talent, they have got it made. I would love to be treated like a king for trying to sing and dance, sure, give me a million dollars...I'd do just about anything. Millions of teenage girls at my fe= et? Sure...well, seeing as how I am 19 myself, I am not too far removed from = the target demographic. Plus, there ARE cute ones in there. So throw a bunc= h of cute girls in to the perks. While that is nice, it isn't right IMO. I don't know who is responsi= ble for bands like that (wait, can you really even call them bands?), gaining popularity. Is it radio? Do fans initiate it? I had the benefit/curse = of finding out about the backstreet boys before most Americans. I was in Germany the summer of 97, and they were popular over there. I thought is was surprising that they made it over here, because as I recall, it was P= uff Daddy's 15 minutes of fame. That isn't the point I am trying to make. I wish we could travel back in time to when composers (I.e. Bach, Beethoven= , etc.) were around. They arguably wrote music for themselves, not the public. Schubert's music was often under, because it was ahead of its ti= me. Goethe hated Schubert's Erlk=F6nig and wanted nothing to do with it, unti= l he was on his death bed when he wanted to hear the melody one last time befo= re he died (true story). Just another example of talent being overlooked because it was different. Erlk=F6nig was written because the composer re= ad Goethe's poem and was inspired to set it to music. He didn't want to sel= l it, or even have people like it, it was something he wanted to do, plain = and simple. I wish popular music were like that. There are many bands out there who do what they want, but only a select few have ever gained mainstream popularity. Perhaps there should be no such thing as popular music. What would t= hat be like? Where there was no such thing as mtv, or mtv played everything, and not just what the record companies pay them to. I wonder what people would listen to. I wonder why we thought it necessary to created a huge greedy industry surrounding music. Don't say because bands don't always have the resources to record their music, that is part of it, and I am we= ll aware of several labels that exist in order to give bands a chance withou= t focusing as much on profit (Metalblade, Century Media, Earache, etc). Wh= y is there competition in music at all? Anybody who has ever played in a b= and (or symphonic band or orchestra) should have realized that if you don't w= ork together you don't sound good as a whole. I play tuba in our school symphonic band. In my section there is no competition, which is actually unusual. All of the other sections compete for 1st chair or 2nd chair an= d everybody wants the solo, and I think that breeds nothing but resentment within a section. Music is a collective effort. How many bands have bro= ken up because of one or two members hogging the limelight?
As a people we are too susceptible to fads. I guess that is my point.
Well, that actually had no point, just some thoughts about music that= I have had brewing for a while. Concert tomorrow in Boston, I am psyched, it's going to rock!
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:39:04 +1100 From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Bottle Message-ID: <200002270941.EAA01218@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> All this talk about Strato and Jens... amazing how DT passed him up, > but I guess he would've been an odd fit, even though he's a "wizard" > as someone put it, I guess he's too much into pining down a pint and > being metal... heheh > > -The Doc
Could it also be that he isn't an American ? Anyway it's good to see his songs being used in Strato finally... Haven't heard the bonus Infinite disc yet..
gaz
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 03:48:22 -0300 From: "Da Vinci" <lucasvinci@yahoo.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: UAGM Message-ID: <000001bf80ef$7f96edc0$421720c8@dream>
|Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:22:31 +0300 |From: Ksue <snusm@rsuh.ru> |To: ytsejam@torchsong.com |Subject: Re: UAGM |Message-ID: <14765.000226@rsuh.ru> | | |> ..of the few people to actually LIKE UAGM ?!? Is this true ? |Don't you guys |> |> Am I in the minority with Clay here ? | |Great song! One of my favs too... | | Ksue |
one of mines too, it's a really good song bye,
Lucas Vinciguerra lucasvinci@yahoo.com icq#: 59043176. see ya!-
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:51:41 -0800 From: "Carlton Hobbs" <Carlton_Hobbs@email.msn.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: JP's new guitar? & Carvin Message-ID: <001901bf80ff$de7ccd40$fefe1c3f@hobbs>
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone knew what kind of guitar I saw John P was playing on the current tour in St. Louis. It was all blue from my point of view. I'm familiar with JP's signature Ibanez guitars, and this didn't look like any Ibanez I've seen before. It had a split 4+2 headstock, and the volume and tone knobs looked closer to the neck.
BTW, I noticed the Carvin discussion. I just ordered my 2nd $1000+ Carvin guitar.In attempting to be objective, they confuse people by mixing two elements. They have very fast necks (somewhat like the JPMs) prefered by metal players, but then they have vintage style (alnico alloy) prefered by vintage sound lovers. Most metal players prefer the bright & bite sound of ceramic magnet pickups. Carvin necks are a middle ground between Fender and Ibanez, but on the slightly shorter 25" scale like Paul Reed Smith, compared to 25.5" for most Fender/Ibanez and 24.75 for Gibson LPs. Hope nobody rules out Carvin before playing one yourself.
Carlton H
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:40:10 +0000 From: Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Headline: NYC DT show! More rambling than spoilers. Message-ID: <E12OyJF-00002U-00@dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net>
Whew. What a day. Ventured out to the Sam Ash signing w/ Mike and Rod and that was cool. Both are very nice, and I could have easily continued talking with them. Then I went to the TGIFridays where a bunch of jammers gathered. Went over to the Roseland and the line crowd both horrified and delighted me. I don't even know where to begin talking about the show. I've been lucky enough to see the band numerous times since the Awake tour and each show leaves me with something different. Tonight the crowd was remarkable. I've never seen such a diverse crowd at a concert before. I can honestly say that the only common factor was the desire to see Dream Theater live (ok maybe some were there for the Star People or the Dreggs [sic] and decided to hang around for DT. But the variety of ages, races, everything..In any case, in a way I'm glad that the only thing I have in common with some of these people is the desire to see DT, as I've never been in such a moshing audience. I actually lost my left earplug at some time (no, if anyone found it I don't want it back) lost my hair clip (some days my hair needs all the help it can get) and there was just this floating and swaying from one side of the floor to the next. It was like a bad dance of people stepping on each other. And the idiots who were crowd surfing must have felt so cool uh huh (NOT!) Come on - grow up. there are other ways of getting into the music and showing it, besides tearing into other people, falling into other people, etc. Cringe. But, (I digress) the music.. was so good. I mean, Scenes From a Memory came alive on stage. At times the songs blurred together and went by quickly, as if being fast forwarded, but that's just from where I was standing with the crowd absorbing the rhythms almost faster than the band played them. I rather liked the projections on the screens; good images _and_ words :) tho I undoubtedly missed a few, and for the record I happen to really like the videos that DT have done, unlike some people on this list. So now it's 2:30am on a Sunday morning and tho my back, neck, shoulders, toes etc.. are aching - there's no way I wouldn't have gone tonight. I'd love for a future show to be at The Theater at Madison Square Garden.. it's a large intimate setting with seats, and ushers (who can throw out those who annoy me ;) and those seats would be full. But on another note (hey, how often do I post here?) it was great seeing all the people who have become like family. There wasn't enough time while waiting in line, or after the show standing outside on the cool clear night, to really catch up on stuff; but we will, and when Dream Theater returns home in the summer, we'll be back to support them. Enjoy the shows when they come to a town near you. Thank YOU and good night. -Rachel
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 03:21:35 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com (Ytse Love-In) Subject: REVIEW: Star People/Dregs/DT at Roseland, NYC Message-ID: <200002270821.DAA29071@optical.mindstorm.com>
Wow. What an awesome night. Here's the highlights:
OK, first up was the Star People. They'd actually be OK if it weren't for the three assholes at the front of the stage. The musicians were actually tight, even if they were playing fairly simple stuff. But the two douche nozzles at the front of the stage, and the violin chick, just ruined it for me. There's no possible way for me to take a band seriously if they need to rely on image and schtick that much. It was like watching a bad Vegas lounge act, or a bad magician.
So, naturally, being good New Yorkers, we heckled them. :) First, for those of you that aren't from the area, there is a drive-time talk radio show here called the Opie and Anthony show. They have a promotion called "Whip 'em Out Wednesdays". Basically, on Wednesdays, women who see a car with a "WOW" sign are encouraged to flash the occupants. So, we started chanting "Whip 'Em Out!" at the violin chick. At another ever-so-dramatic moment, the two morons slowly raised their arms in the air as the chick raised her bow, so I matched them with the New York State bird. All in all, we had a pretty good time razzing them, especially because they deserved it. (Those tuxedos they all were wearing were pure cheddar.) And what was the deal with the guitarist sitting down? Who does he think he is, Fripp?
The Dregs came out next, and holy shit, did they smoke. Steve Morse never ceases to amaze me. He's so fast, so fluid, so clean, so melodic, that it ought to be illegal. LaRue, Morgenstein, and the rest of the band were equally impressive. I'm not familiar with any of their material (other than Cruise Control), but holy crap. I'd go see them again in a heartbeat. And Morse was a genuinely nice guy at the microphone, thanking DT for the slot, and the fans who, like me, weren't familiar with their stuff, for being patient and supportive. Hey, Steve, you earned it.
Finally, of course, the moment we'd been waiting for. I don't have to tell you that overall DT kicked my ass into Staten Island. I'd give the show a 9 out of 10. Just a few little things that bugged me (and then I'll get to the good things about it):
* Please, please, p l e a s e, PLEASE, do *not* play any more all-ages shows. There was a group of about 6 15 year olds behind me. One of the guys, I swear to Christ, had more equipment to smoke his pot than I do to play bass. And one of the little girls kept screaming in my ear, but at all the wrong times. During the quiet parts, it was either this bitch screaming (Crim fans: think of that noise at the beginning of LTIA2), or talking overly loud with her little friends. I was tempted at numerous times to turn around and slap her in the mouth.
* Kevin never took a keyboard solo. And the only things that were ever close didn't have a sequenced rhythm track. I don't like that gay carnival-music break in TDOE to begin with, but to turn it into a 5 minute keyboard wank fest absolutely ruined it for me. Jordan's more technically impressive than just about any keyboardist I've ever seen (and I knew I felt that way seeing RMP open for DT 4 years ago), but there's a time and a place, you know?
* They sold out the Roseland. Great for DT, crappy for us. Can anyone say Birch Hill? Guys, it's time to start playing venues with seats. I think they could probably fill the Beacon now. My back and my knees are still going "Hey, what the fuck?" four hours after leaving the place.
* Speaking of that, you should have seen the line to get into this place. It went down 52nd, wrapped onto Broadway, and then about 2/3 of the way down freakin' 53rd street! I got there around 6, thinking that's enough time for a show that starts at 7:30. By the time my crew and I got inside, the Star People were halfway through their set. (That's not a bad thing, considering it was the Star People, but I'd have been super pissed if I missed any of the good bands because Roseland can't handle a crowd.)
* The TVs (oops, is that a spoiler?) were poorly placed for the club. I had a decent view of one of them, but I couldn't see a whole lot else because of the basketball team that mysteriously wound up in front of me as DT went on.
OK, now for what really kicked my ass tonight:
* The performance of SFAM. Gotta tell ya, the CD hasn't grabbed me yet. I think I'm just about the only person I know who didn't listen to the album for like 2 weeks straight upon purchase. I listened to it once, then once again because I didn't believe what I had heard, then once again about 3 weeks later, still in disbelief that I didn't like it. But this performance has re-opened my mind to this album. Everyone was spot-on accurate and full of emotion. I seemed to get more from the composition through the performance than I ever did through just listening at home (or, worse, at work).
* The selection of stuff they played afterwards. They played at least one thing from every album. (Yeah, I would have prefered something besides Peruvian, but now I'm just being picky.) And, yeah, it sucked that most of it was tied up in a medley, but, hey, they had just gone through M2. I'm not going to complain even a little, because, again, the selection was impeccable. I thought I had missed my opportunity long ago to ever hear OAMOT live. (Oops, is that another spoiler?)
* JP's new guitar. That piezo kills. And the color's really cool, too. Wonder if Morse likes it. :)
An observation: If you were at (or have a boot of) any of the Awake-tour US shows (I'm thinking particularly of Malibu 12/95), you can hear the crowd singing in key along with the band. Now, the crowd can't even clap in time. That must be some measure of success.
Finally, mad props to everyone I met up with tonight. Skadz, Bogie, Johnny Motown and Bandanna Man :), Augie and Wisha (!), Wilson Cat, Neil Evans (damn, what a trip!), the Analog Stardust Gal (hey, my drummer wants to know if your friend is single :), Koba and Scotch (dude, that helmet kicks ass!), Jai... damn, who else? My sincere apologies if I left anyone off this list. See you all at the next one!
-d "San Dimas High Football RULES!" man
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 04:10:14 EST From: Scarred2112@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT comes "Home" - NYC show *spoilers* Message-ID: <a8.1d02736.25ea43f6@aol.com>
Well friends, it's 3:50 am, and I've just gotten home from what I can honestly say was the best DT show I've ever seen!! Here's a quick rundown:
The pre-show "gathering" - I think I can say A great time was had by all!! A bunch of us got together at a "Friday's" near the Roseland Ballroom to pay for overpriced food, bitch about the President being in town (thus screwing up traffic! ), and generally shoot-the...err..."stuff" about past DT shows, Ryche, Fates, and topics too numerous to mention. Guys, thanks so much for making my first attempt in planning something such a success! Let's do it again come summertime!
The Line - We arrived at the Roseland Ballroom at about 5:45, thinking that would give us plenty of time to get decent places on line. WRONG!!! In all the shows I've seen, never in my life have I seen a line this long for a concert their! However, when all was said and done, we ended up "middle of the pack", and while not great, it could have been a lot worse .
"The Star People" - Honestly, I was going into their set with a pretty low expectation, based on what I had heard. However, I must say I was pretty impressed with their musicianship, and while not a big fan of "joke music", I can say I've personally seen much worse opening bands.
"The Dregs" - One word - Fantastic!. The crowd was into them big time, and they seemed to throw it back to us, based on the energy of the set. I haven't had the opportunity to get into their music that much, but far be it for me to say anything bad about a band with two bassists! . They closed with "Cruise Control", which we all know from "The Big Medley" from ACOS, which had every band member trading solos!
Dream Theater - For all the naysayers who thought that Derek leaving would lead to a reduced stage presence, "the proof is in the puddin'"!! . From the amazing automated vari-lights, to the great video presentation, nothing was left to chance! This was the best sound mix I've ever heard live - everyone loud and clear, but not too overpowering! Some of the highlights...
James's voice - The best it's been since the "Awake" tour. Not a moment where he went off, and many times he expanded what he did on SFAM!
JP's EB/MM - Coming from a longtime Ibanez supporter (I've got two of their basses), I must say that the blue EB/MM sounds much better!! Seemless switching from electric to "acoustic" sounds, and the most "on" I've seen him. Not a flub in the show!
John Myung - My man! Solid as a rock as ever, finally upfront in the mix, and absolutly nailing the "DOE" solo, as well as some great fretless work on "Through Her Eyes". I knew my choice of a bass hero was a correct one!
"Uncle Mikey" - Nailed the "Shrink 'n grow" section on "Fatal Tragedy", as well as some great improv work at the end of "FF". IMHO, the best drummer today, period!
Jordan's solo - Okay, I'll bite...how much to play my wedding? Words can't describe this man!
Some last tidbits...the "Dr. Evil" theme, a classic!! ...The crowd being much more into "Peruvian Skies" then I had though they'd be...DT selling out a 3200 person theater, and the presence of many more "kids" then I had expected! This could be the turning point!
It's getting late, and I've got a band practice early, but I'd be severely remiss if I didn't thank "Semico" (Sean, take care of the baby, but we have got to hang again! You are the greatest! *side note* it turns out the Sean's sister went to school with my best friend Scott, who was there with me. Turns out Sean had seen us play the "Band Bash" at Concordia College! Weird how people are connected! , "EFX"(?), for the great oversea's stories, "Lulu", for the free drink, ever though she missed the gathering (I own you one Angie! ), Scott, Cheryl, and everyone I'm forgetting at the moment (I'm sorry, but it's late)...all of you made this night one of the best memories I'll ever have!
*Note to EastWest - tape this tour, and release it on DVD NOW!...DT deserves it, and we'd buy it!*
Later, everyone...
Ian
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