YTSEJAM Digest 5356
Today's Topics:
1) star people
by Joe DiSano <jdisano@yahoo.com>
2) Back with a vengea....er....question.
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
3) Goin' to the Atlanta show
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
4) Bohager's in Baltimore
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
5) napster/bluegrass
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
6) Baltimore Show
by BrianSteedman@aol.com
7) Give it to me baby.. uh huh uh huh
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) Re: Napster
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Rude behavior?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) Re: A note about Dr. Who
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
11) Death is the ...what?
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: BSB take two/we are the enlightened ones
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Boston show, YO!
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
14) Re: PASSAGGIO WTF!!!!!!!
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) Re: doctor mosh.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
16) Re: Christmas CD?
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
17) Re: Death is the ...what?
by Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
18) Metropolis 2000/Late 99 tour bootlegs.
by Argyle909@aol.com
19) Ricky
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
20) Backstreet Slamming Cakeholes.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
21) Iron Maiden CD Europe Bullshit
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
22) Re: Christmas CD?
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:43:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe DiSano <jdisano@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: star people
Message-ID: <20000229154352.5150.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com>
Could somebrief me on the STAR PEOPLE. Who are they,
etc.....
I am very curious who they paid off to be on the DT
tour.
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:59:49 -0500
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Back with a vengea....er....question.
Message-ID: <000d01bf82ce$02063ba0$47ab889e@plymouth.edu>
Back on the jam!
After the jam daemon ate the list, I decided to stay unsubbed 'til after I
saw the Boston show so as not to ruin any surprises...Now I have a
question:
Can anyone who went to any show on the M2 tour mail me privately tell me
what was supposed to happen at he end of the SFAM segment of the show?
Suffice to say there was a "malfunction" of sorts and all present were
left without a resolution... I don't want to go into specifics b/c I don't
want to ruin the show for those who haven't seen it.
Thanks,
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:40:39 -0500
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Goin' to the Atlanta show
Message-ID: <4.1.20000229103452.0091c470@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
For those of you on the list who're heading to the Atlanta show, look for
me, a dude with reddish-brown hair and goatee, and a gray Ytseradio
T-shirt, which should stand out pretty well since nobody else in the area
has one. Come and say hi :)
I'll also be at the in-store at MARS Music, so say hi there as well.
Visit Paul Cashman's Atlanta-DT-gathering page at
http://www.crl.com/~vanyel/dt-atl2k.html for more info.
cheers,
Phil
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:02:16 -0500
From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Bohager's in Baltimore
Message-ID: <NDBBKMFPMKNHENPACFDDCECBCEAA.rpark@space-dye.com>
Well, I was at Bohager's as well; had a great time and I'll give you all a
run-down.
Bohager's seemed like an interesting-themed nightclub, but not the best
concert venue. It was a tiki-bar-under-a-tent. Steve Morse referred to it
as a giant "airplane hangar," which might be an appropriate description.
Lots of space to screw up the acoustics, but not that much *usable* space
for people to stand and see. True, it was far superior to Daytona's, but
that's not saying much.
Dregs took the stage at 8:00, and once again they rocked. They were really,
really LOUD and I felt stupid for not bringing earplugs.
Dream Theater came on at 9:30ish, and played for a little bit under two
hours. Same set as usual (same as the DC show), but I swear it was about 15
minutes less. A lot of the show sounded about 10 bpm faster than usual!
Musicianship was perfect, of course. The music didn't seem nearly as loud
as the Dregs -- but it was still more than loud enough to be heard. Well,
you couldn't hear Jordan, and some of the time you couldn't hear James
either. Portnoy and Petrucci were high in the mix; no one else really was.
I just figured it was a problem with the acoustics, or the soundboard guy.
After the show, I talked to a guy from Silver Spring who had been backstage.
He said Jordan's keyboard tech was fuming. Apparently after the Dregs set
(before DT took the stage), the cops came and made them turn off the PA!! I
don't know any of the specifics (I didn't think to ask the band when I was
by the bus), but it obviously screwed over Jordan. During the times you
could hear James, it sounded like he was coming from the PA speakers. Maybe
the cops just made 'em turn it down or something? Either way, it screwed
with the mix and didn't sound real great.
After the show, I also ran into DT's video tech -- the guy responsible for
all the video screens at the show. He asked what the people on the Ytsejam
thoguht of the video screens, but I said it really wasn't talked about that
much. He said that he was hoping people were talking about 'em --
POSITIVELY, of course :)
His personal story was really cool, though. It didn't sound like he was
normally a professional in this field at all. He couldn't have been much
older than me (20) and apparently he had just moved to NYC a few weeks ago.
He was doing some work for Jordan at his home studio, and was invited to go
meet the band during a rehearsal. He went along, and while they were
rehearsing, he started screwing around on the computer, creating some video
and stuff. The band thought it was really cool, and next thing you know,
he's the video tech on tour!!
Anyway, thanks to Cary and Dan for giving me a ride from DC; Ytsejammers
rock :) I missed seeing any other Ytsejammers; I'm sure I'll see some of
you again on the next tour.
Ryan
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:28:09 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: napster/bluegrass
Message-ID: <20000229162809.30079.qmail@hotmail.com>
The big problem that I have with napster is that you can't limit the number
of files that people can download from you at the same time. My comp gets
REALLY slow if i've got more than two transfers going at once, and since
I've got all the cool mp3's =^), I usually get more than that.
On another note (an eleventh note?), to all the bluegrass fans that
responded to me, check out a CD/Band called 'strength in numbers'. Jerry
Douglas, Edgar Meyer, Mark O'connor, Sam Bush and Bela Fleck, playing the
epitome of prog bluegrass. Sick, sick stuff.
-Banjoman
np: Awake, SDV specifically
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If you've heard of them, it's pop, if you've never heard of them, it's salsa
- Jeff Fuller, on classification of latin music
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>Moving on to another subject, I've seen that a few people here are
>also Napster users... Gotta ask you something: is it usually very
>slow or am I the only one having this problem? I mean, there are some
>GREAT songs there, but it's taking 3 times as long as it would in a
>regular mp3 server...
i've been using napster for about 6 months now. it tends to be slower than
a regular server. i think that is mainly because it isn't a server. like
you get mp3's right off of other people's computers and they just go
"through" the napster server. some people say they have a T1 connection
when they only have a modem . so their bandwidth is very small.
there are a lot of good songs out there. and it sucks when you get half of
one and it quits downloading.
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:16:49 EST
From: BrianSteedman@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Baltimore Show
Message-ID: <9c.1f26b97.25ed5901@aol.com>
Hey Jammers,
Yeah, the baltimore show at Bohagers last night was awesome. Although, I
think the show last monday night in DC was a little better sound wise. At
Bohagers, you couldn't really hear John M that much, and Mike's kick drums
weren't as prevelent as I'd like them to be. Anybody know what was wrong
with John M's bass at the start of the set? Did anybody else pick up that
John M was playing his signature fretted bass on Peruvian Skies as opposed to
his standard fretless? Did anybody else pick up on John P's little mistake
at the beginning of BTL? It's good to know that even masters of their
instruments mess up too. Now I don't have the urge to burn my bass when I
play.
The Spirit Carries On,
Brian
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:18:38 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Give it to me baby.. uh huh uh huh
Message-ID: <38BBFF6E.A8653C72@isd.net>
<< most people like simple catchy tunes to
<<rotate torsos by... DANCING: A vertical expression of horizontal desires.
Babyfr10 wrote:
> That's like saying tall music is the same
Bullshit!
>- only people who know nothing about music would say it.
What? Oh please.. I know a particular seventeen year old female that
would swing her hips to the sound of a doorbell if the asshole pushing
the button did it in a repetitive and rhythmic fashion. This same female
can't stand music that uses real instruments. She prefers drum machines
over a real drummer. The majority of her friends share her taste in music.
Call me a prude... IMHO, once you've taken the MUSICian out of music...
>I'm a dancer and I now know that you aren't too
>familiar with dance AT ALL. There are so many different types of
>dance and
I can appreciate watching some bimbo with a room temperature IQ
shake her groove thing as much as the next guy. :) Music? What music?
Now don't all twisted on me.. I am quite aware that there are MANY
other forms of dancing. As long as MTV and Soul Train keep featuring
Silicone Sally doing what she does best, dancers will continue to get a
bad RAP. (ooh, play on words <me snickers>)
>people who devote their entire life to this artform much like musicians do to
>music. I'm a dancer and a generalization like that couldn't be ignored. The
>saddest part about society is the simplicity we tend to cling to and the way
>the record companies feed to that - but don't blame the more simplistic
>tastes of others solely on dance - it goes so much deeper than that.
The dance crowd is the target audience for mainstream top 40. If the
music buying public continues to settle for mediocrity with a beat, it's
never going to get any better. Please don't take this post as a personal
slam..
/Al fucks on the first date.. To Metropolis Pt 1!
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:29:32 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Napster
Message-ID: <000c01bf82da$a95ba460$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>REALLY slow if i've got more than two transfers going at once, and since
>I've got all the cool mp3's =^), I usually get more than that.
Yes, butt, that's your whole problem. I thought I'd be Mr. k3wL m0j0 and
supply all of my MP3's to Napster, but within 5 or 10 minutes I already had
about 15 people leeching off of my 56k conn. My recommendation: If you
don't have DSL, T1, or similar, don't supply MP3's. I just turn off uploads
from my machine unless someone specifically asks me for something.
When I had those 2000 mp3's up there, though, it was pretty cool to see who
was downloading what. Mostly, it seemed like people were wanting my Bruce
Dickinson and Iron Maiden ones. :) I thought that was pretty cool. :)
--
KorgX3 sometimes feels a nut. Sometimes he is.
NP: Pantera - Heresy.mp3
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:04:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Rude behavior?
Message-ID: <20000229190425.18078.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> wrote:
> At that point Ari told us that he was going to go
wait in line at the Roxy
> and that we could cut in with him when we got
there...
> Ari was one of the first twenty people in line - I
could not believe it!
Interesting. With all of the recent talk about "rude
behavior" at shows, you're telling us you took "cuts"
at the front of the line? That's usually considered
pretty rude behavior. Did you and your friends ask the
100/300/600(?) people in line if it was ok if you cut
in at the front?
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:05:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: A note about Dr. Who
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0002291356070.13663-100000@gs.bass.org>
<snip recycled post # 3,637,562,904>
It's reassuring to note that BV saves his old messages. All my sent mail
gets deleted every month. Naturally, everyone believes what you wrote
because you're venerated and institutionalized on this forum.
Did that come out right?...Guess so.
And when I first saw the subject, I was expecting mention of K-9 at the
least.
paul
NP Chieftains: Water from the Well
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Father, I/ killed my monkey
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:05:37 -0500
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Death is the ...what?
Message-ID: <000701bf82e7$f66da3e0$47ab889e@plymouth.edu>
While I was spending hours in line for the DT show in Boston on Sunday, an
idea hit me:
I remembered a thread from a while back about misheard DT lyrics. I still
remember my favorite:
"Death is the first dancing turtle..."
Out of sheer boredom, I decided to make a drawing based on this... here's
the URL:
http://DarkHarmony.tripod.com/imagepages/DancingTurtle.html
I'm hoping OFB will see it and enjoy it... might even make a cool T-shirt
or something...
Regards,
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:19:02 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: BSB take two/we are the enlightened ones
Message-ID: <001801bf82e9$d644fee0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> Yep, you're right on that. However, I think the thing that frustrates many
> people is that the record companies know EXACTLY what they're doing. The
> "vast majority of shitheads," as you call them, aren't really aware that
> these bands are just corporately manufactured products. SO, it's kind of
> useless getting mad at them for they no not what they do. I feel sad for
them
> personally, and take some solace in the fact that they will more than
likely
> outgrow this phase of their life. However, there is truly no hope at all
for
> those in the upper 20's and older who enjoy this stuff IMO.
> -Mike C.
I just have a question. How could the "shitheads" (I like this term)
not know. I thought it was clear to even the most retarded monkeys and
other lower forms of life that these bands were manufactured. First come
BdoorBoys and then right up their asses come N'Stynk with 98degrees
following closely behind. It SHOULD seem from the sheer explosion of these
bands in recent years that they are just cashing in.
Ignorant people deserve no sympathy IMO, they have the resources
available to learn the truth but do not take advantage of them. If they
don't have the resources, that is a different story. I don't feel anything
toward these fans or "shitheads" if you prefer the politically correct term,
but apathy and a very mild annoyance when they insist on playing their
"music" loud enough for me to hear. Just my $.02.
The one the weak call Kenn.
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:20:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Boston show, YO!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002281016110.31169-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Well, the Boston show has come and gone and whatta ride! Sarah,
Mike B, and I arrived at the Daddy's downtown at about 1:30, just in time
to stand only about a half a block back in line. The signing was pretty
cool, but very assembly lineish, what do you expect with about 300 or so
people waiting in line? About 8 of us or so grabbed some lunch, and we
went to stand in line about 5:30, an hour before doors opened. Thanks to
some very friendly Canadians (thanks Greg and Helen!!), we didn't go ALL
the way back in line, but we were only about 150 feet back. At it's
longest extent, the line was about a block and a half long, as far as I
understood it. They let us all it at about 6:30, and we got in about
right away. The Roxy has a pretty cool setup, with a balcony running all
around the venue, so we made a beeline right to the balcony on stage left,
and Sarah and I grabbed two tables and sat down right at the railing. We
had a great view of everything but the Images, but I wasn't too worried,
I'd seen them all on Wednesday. I couldn't see Mike really, from where I
was, but I wasn't interested in that, I wanted a view of Jordan, and I
could see pretty much everything he did, from where I was sitting. I've
seen him and Rod Morgenstein about 5 times over the past 4 years, but I
wanted to get a good look at how he does what he does.
The Dregs started about 20 minutes late, at 7:50 or so. They
played for about 50 minutes, or so. I don't know track names, so I can't
give a set list, but they played extremely well. I'm not sure who is more
of a monster behind the drums, Mike or Rod, because Rod was banging on
those suckers like Animal! He was hitting everything dead on, and it
sounded AWESOME!
DT started a roughly 9 ish or so, probably close to ten after.
They played the usual set list, Scenes to Peruvian Skies (and the Dr Evil
interlude) to the Erotomania/Paradigm Shift Medley, to the When Images and
Words Unite Medley.
Some cool things:
Amazing Grace before Through Her Eyes (thanks Sarah for noticing!)
The keyboard solo in Dance of Eternity! I was wondering if he was
really that fast and fluid and that accurate before last night...guess
what, he IS! The Kurzweil supports so many different things, it was
interesting how many different ways that Jordan could do the same thing.
During Beyond This Life he managed to fit in the pitch wheel, the slide
strip, and varying key pressures to sustain notes...all in the same song.
Not much to be impressed about, but I'm a fan of many different tools for
the asme job (like Linux), and it's fun to see a master at work!
The medley is cool. I like the little snippets of everything,
It's a refreshing change in some ways...and they make it mesh together
very well!
The not so good things:
Hmm. Not many. Time to start finding larger venues, I think. It
sure seems like OFB is really starting to pack them in there.
It was great to see all of the people I haven't seen for a long time at
the show, some of you I saw, but you didn't stop by after the show! A
shout out to: Mike, Mark "hold the Mayo" Metzger, Kevin "Look out for
that" Hammer, Jeff "The Silent Man" Falk, Tarkus, Wacky, Binky, Skadz,
Bogie, The Canadians (Greg "The La Villa Strangiato Guy", and Helen), Ed
"The No-Ticket Whiner" Wilk, Sully, Chad Farrow, Layne, Matt "Look out for
the next Event album" Scurfield, Colleen "just one more year", Robert,
Dean and everyone else I forgot, and everyone that Sarah forgot that I
forgot.
-jeremy
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rich
oasis. Tucked away, hidden from the burning sun by a stone ceiling, is a
small pool of fresh water, and in this pool grow clues by the moist
thousands. See your travel agent."
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:23:45 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: PASSAGGIO WTF!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <003801bf82ea$7f2a4ce0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
>
> << passaggio >>
> I looked this word up in the Dictionary and it didn;t have anything on it.
> What the fuck are you people talking about and can you explain this word
to
> me. Thanks
Passaggio means "passage." It is the turning point in a singer's voice where
they shift from chest to head voice. It is usually around a 4th. Mine is
around A to D above middle C. Kind of low, even for a baritone. I can't
sing for shit though.
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:22:06 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: doctor mosh.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000229202206.01792f28@pi-r-squared.com>
At 07:06 AM 2/29/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Pulled from the archives for the benefit of Simon and any other wondering
>parties. Enjoy.
>
>--------------------------------------------------
*snip*
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! I remember this! And for a while, I was so new to the jam
that I actually fell for it. Parts of it anyway ;)
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
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"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him
for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the
opportunity."
-Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:26:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Christmas CD?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000229122507.20513A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
]From: "Brad Watt" <bwatt@gotafe.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Christmas CD?
> I am still waiting for my Christmas
>CD...........................Somebody =
>help me please I goin' maaaaaaaaaaaad I tellz ya.
>
>Brad From Australia.
Well, duh, Brad. Everybody *knows* DT doesn't ever make it to
Australia...
--Matt (it's because they'd melt...?)
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--William Shakespeare's 'Kama Sutra'
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:29:12 +0100 (CET)
From: Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Death is the ...what?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002292212060.2527-100000@holly.sbbs.se>
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Josh Calkin wrote:
>
> While I was spending hours in line for the DT show in Boston on Sunday, an
> idea hit me:
> I remembered a thread from a while back about misheard DT lyrics. I still
> remember my favorite:
> "Death is the first dancing turtle..."
>
> Out of sheer boredom, I decided to make a drawing based on this... here's
> the URL:
> http://DarkHarmony.tripod.com/imagepages/DancingTurtle.html
That must have been one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a long
time -- I loved it :-)
> I'm hoping OFB will see it and enjoy it... might even make a cool T-shirt
> or something...
>
I would definitely buy the "Dancing Turtle" t-shirt!!
Erik
NP: The Sodra Bergens Balalaikor Orchestra - Pod dugoj kolokolcik pojot
(Is that russian? Could someone translate it?) Btw, balalaikas are really
cool!!!
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:55:09 EST
From: Argyle909@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metropolis 2000/Late 99 tour bootlegs.
Message-ID: <d.20cb11f.25ed8c2d@aol.com>
If anyone has bootlegs (digital source only), please contact me. I have 2 so
far: 11/11/99 Zwolle, NL and 11/??/99 Paris France.
Also, if you taped any of these shows, and need a conversion to CD-R,
remastering, retracking, any of the sort, I'd be happy to do that as well.
Thanks
Louis
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:46:24 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Ricky
Message-ID: <38BBDBC0.5289A6AA@mol.com.mk>
> From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
>
> I think some of you should lay off Ricky a bit. He has actually
> been around for 15 years or something, making the music he makes.
> Its always been his goal to bring latin music to the masses, an
> honorable goal i think, and he has done it well.
Ahem, now all this is fine except 1 point.
Congratulations for him if he really is doing this for 15 years. Not
easy at all.
But the years were not what made him a star. I think he just bumped onto
some producer who saw he can make money of him and told him the "secret"
formula of success. And Ricky transformed accoring it and making it big
time. I dunno his stuff much, but one of the latest hits was this ballad
stuff. The way I see it, the song it so lame and boring, nothing special
at all. My conclusion is - The boy got famous, he's The Star, with his
pop music, and now it's time to make a heart-breaking ballad. It's like
a cliche, after 3 "groundbreaking" pop/dance hits you just gotta make a
ballad too. That's what the teenage girls want man, their sexy music
idol sings pointing at them, kneeling in a mud in a middle of a rain
storm, desparately reaching out his hand toward them (in his newest
video clip).
And finally the "his goal to bring latin music to the masses" part. I
think this is not true.
I must admit I liked him when he started. The Latin vibe was there, it
was great, even though it was poppish. That famous Latin magic that
makes your hair stand straight up was there.
Stupid decision IMHO was the Living LaVida Locca song (or something like
that :) that moved away from that style, being a typical disco rhythm
song. There's nothing Latin in it.
Also, the thing is this (Latin stuff) is not his work, I see him as a
copycat in a way.
One name folks - Gloria Estefan.
Play early Ricky stuff and Gloria together and you'll see no difference
at all. So he's not ground-breaker for introducing Latin music to the
world. It's been done already, way before.
Ah yes, another name pops now, Mr. Santana. :) Damn the Grammies for,
in a way, hummiliated the man with this winning joke, but the man is a
guitar hero. And that's a fact. :)
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:12:38 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Backstreet Slamming Cakeholes.
Message-ID: <002001bf82f9$b8bb1840$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
> I just have a question. How could the "shitheads" (I like this term)
>not know. I thought it was clear to even the most retarded monkeys and
>other lower forms of life that these bands were manufactured.
OK, I don't think you guys realize what fucking hypocrites you are. You
ALL do something or tolerate something that another person is going to
consider 'inadequate.' I don't give a shit what it is. Granted, I think
>most< people here take music very seriously. Obviously, many of us take it
to extreme steps where we become snobbish. You guys sound just like the
rich assholes who scoff at the idea of using a 'common man's' toilet when
they have their solid-gold, jewel-encrusted throne to shit on at home.
I'm surpsrised at how many of you people could still continue to watch Pro
'wrestling' after making such accusations. Pro Wrestling is completely
manufactured and fake, no? Oh, but is that different? Maybe those guys who
really get the shit knocked out ot them in the UFC look at you like an idiot
for watching the fake shit?
You know, to certain extents, I agree with you. I don't like to see talent
take a backseat to commerce any more than anyone else, but music is music,
yet I am willing to accept that not everyone likes 'talent.' Maybe some of
you had it ingrained from birth that music is the 'be all, end all' in the
world. I guess, like many religious people, you would be extremely
closed-minded to anything other than what you were taught to believe.
I came across 'talent' by a completely different route. I used to be one of
those "shitheads" that listened to the radio 24/7. Many of my friends
happen to be one of those "shitheads" that listens to the radio 24/7. You
just can't accept that they seriously don't like stuff like Dream Theater
when they hear it. It's not all because of biases or mainstream propaganda
or subliminal messages in their Limp Bizkit CD's telling them not to like
it. They >just don't fucking like it.< If you choose your friends and
family by what kind of music they listen to, I seriously feel sorry for you.
Music is music. If you refuse to listen to a piece of music because it
wasn't written by the performer or because the performer is "manufactured,"
that's your loss. It was less than a year ago I felt the same way you do,
and I can't believe what an ignorant bastard I was. Regardless of whether
or not the manufacturer was singled out on Star Search or whatever, he/she
has talent. Maybe not talent up to your pretentious par, but talent
nonetheless.
> Ignorant people deserve no sympathy IMO, they have the resources
>available to learn the truth but do not take advantage of them.
I guess it depends on which form of ignorance you mean. People who
continuously burn themselves on a hot stove because they're too stupid draw
a conclusion, probably not. People who don't obtain the equivalent of a
Master's Degree in Forensic Orthodontics even though all the information
they need is at the local library? Some people just have better things to
do. Please, don't let me stop you! Maybe if someone killed you because of
the clothes you wear or were calling you names because you grabbed the last
pack of Hillshire Farms sausage in the supermarket, I could consider them
"ignorant." I think, though, maybe you should check yourself before you
start calling people who disagree with your opinions ignorant, hmmm?
--
KorgX3 thinks musical snobbishness draws many parallels with racism.
NP: Creedence Clearwater Revival - Travelin' Band.mp3
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:23:06 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Iron Maiden CD Europe Bullshit
Message-ID: <200002292324.SAA27175@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
>Currently on the World Wide Web there are many rumours - and
more - of
titles and track listing for the new Maiden album. As >the band has
yet to
decide the title of the album, we find this very amusing and the
interest
very flattering.
>But what we don't find amusing is that someone takes money
from our fans
under false pretences.
Thought as post this from the official IM website.
Anyone who's made the mistake from ordering from CD Europe
will find this interesting.
>A website called CDEurope.com is advertising for sale as from
February 25th
the new Maiden album on import for $37.95. A >single "Heaven's
Gate" is also
advertised as available. The album is titled "Majesty Of Gaia" and a
track
listing is noted >elsewhere on the web. Both the title and track
listing are
completely UNTRUE and neither bear any similarity to reality.
>CD Europe are actively taking money for this completely
imaginary album and
single. We have informed the legal department of >EMI and
Columbia in the
USA who are dealing with this.
>Do NOT get caught out. There are also many rumours on the web
around
Maiden. But believe what you read here on this site. >When the
time is
right, you will get the full genuine information.
>Watch this space. It's coming soon.
>Rod
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:23:06 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Christmas CD?
Message-ID: <200002292324.SAA27179@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> Well, duh, Brad. Everybody *knows* DT doesn't ever make it to
> Australia...
<sigh>
It's nice of you to make fun of the fact that DT neglect us by not
touring here.
It's bad enough for us Aussies, without you rubbing our collective
noses in it.
Yet you Americans continue to bitch and moan when tour dates
are announced, because DT don't play on your doorstep.......
> --Matt (it's because they'd melt...?)
No they'd be attacked by killer kangaroos screaming for blood
gaz
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