YTSEJAM Digest 5279
Today's Topics:
1) please play in my backyard
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) rush is a band
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) Roland V Drums etc...
by "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk>
4) XMas CD **** SPOILERS *****
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
5) Beatles
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
6) Re: Beatles
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) (no subject)
by Fett2002@aol.com
8) MP's gear.
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
9) KC
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
10) Sun Caged
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
11) [Fwd: Allan Holdsworth]
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5278
by Awake600@aol.com
13) the beatles, grunge
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
14) CD burnning question
by Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
15) Re: XMas CD **** SPOILERS *****
by "Edward Polzin" <epolzin@home.com>
16) Subjectivity vs. objectivity
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
17) KevMo playing and BEatles
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
18) the shortest path is rarely a straight line
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
19) Re: Beatles
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5278
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
21) V-Drums
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
22) The "Beatles Rules" FACT
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
23) Re: The "Beatles Rules" FACT
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
24) Re: Angra Acoustic Set?
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:40:34 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: please play in my backyard
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB5507@ms.kallback.com>
> PLEASE! PLEASE! PLAY 1 SHOW IN KANSAS CITY!!!!!!
> Just one little show, for all of us in Kansas City, so we don't have to
> drive 5 hours to St. Louis or Chicago!!!
>
Beats 13 hours to San Francisco or Salt Lake City from Seattle. :(
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:55:25 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: rush is a band
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB5508@ms.kallback.com>
> i love early rush, as well as all rush...not a big zep fan. the
> difference? neil's a master on a level that i don't think bonham could
> have been...bring on the flames.
Funny, considering Neil wasn't on the first one! :)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:16:59 -0000
From: "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Roland V Drums etc...
Message-ID: <001c01bf664b$c4f90e20$1f010032@corbyedp4>
]From Andreas Skarin:-
> was ready to fissure his head with a cleaver for spending our money on
what
> thought was pure crap, but now I can't wait to check them out! The best
thing
>bout them (I've heard) is that expensive microphones are rendered useless.
>t'll make life in the studio much more pleasant!
My chance to wave my "I love electronic drums" flag. I have the Yamaha DTX,
I'm not in a band at the moment, so I sit at home and do my own stuff with
my Tascam 414. My drum kit is by far the best thing I have ever bought, I
know electronic percussion is not for everyone, but it is no longer the
inflexible instrument it used to be.
Happy...Dave (a UK jammer).
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:32:12 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: XMas CD **** SPOILERS *****
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC47F6@julia.um.be>
Hi Jammerz,
Just wanted to say that I got the XMAS CD (many of you already have it I
suppose, but no comments so far...) and I must reallky admit that the AC/DC
cover High Wire is really fantasctic :))).
HeinV
NP. Rush - Moving Pictures One of their best, IMVHO.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:34:37 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Beatles
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC47F7@julia.um.be>
Somebody wrote:
>supposed to hear. I'll bet everybody likes the Beatles, though. I can't
see
>anyone not liking the Beatles. I can see why people don't like DT, or Flatt
I will stay polite :) but assuming that everyone over here likes the beatles
is quite a mistake. I put off the radio whenever I hear this cheesy, mellow
stuff. I vote no.
HeinV
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:45:55 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Beatles
Message-ID: <e4.afc373.25bd7953@aol.com>
>>Not to mention the many innovations that
>>they were rsponsible for in the recording process itself.
>I think most of that credit should go to George Martin.
Some, sure. But a lot of it also came from Lennon and McCartney.
>>Music would not be where it is today if not for the Beatles.
>Music SUCKS today. (yes, I know that's an opinion too, but if you're
>talking about how good an artist is, mentioning today's music takes you down
>a few notches on the credibility scale.)
First of all, it would be YOUR crediblility notch, which I think I don't
really want to be high on if it includes saying such as things as "the
Beatles Suck." Second, this is an extremely general statement. And I got some
news for you. DT just put out a new album. That would make DT a part of
"music today" as you so generally call it, since it came out recently. I
asume you listen to DT (and subsequently are a fan) since you are on this
list. That would mean that you listen to at least some of today's music. This
would take YOU down a notch on the credibility scale since I just nullified
your whole statement of "music sucks today" through simple logic.
>>I can GUARANTEE you there would be no Dream Theater as we know it.
>a) no, you can't, and 2) maybe some of the things I really dislike about DT
>would be gone if the Beatles had never existed.
Sure I can guarantee this. Many of the bands that have influenced DT to be
what they are were directly influenced to a varying degree by the Beatles. If
you don't think so, then you obviously don't have much of an ear for music.
Just about every rock band in the 70's were directly influenced by them. This
is a FACT. Whether you want to believe it or not. It scares the hell out of
me that some people don't understand the effect that the Beatles have had on
music and its evolution. Nuff said.
-Mike C. :)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:47:26 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <9d.11749f2.25bd79ae@aol.com>
OBWedgKnOb@aol.com wrote:
>PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS MAILING LIST
No, you are stuck on it forever. hahahahahhahahaha.............
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:07:30 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP's gear.
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC47FA@julia.um.be>
Ytsejon wrote:
>Yep, you are correct sir!!! i made a mistake... I read the add again and
>saw that it was all new TAMA gear. not too shabby though. Yeah I thought
>that MP used DW peds so i just figured they would put them in the bunch
>also... no such luck I guess.
MP normally used DW pedals (see the credits on the albums). However, at his
clinic in Lille (France) last year, he used Tama Iron Cobra pedals. I think
that a part of the deal with Tama was to use Tama pedals on the clinic tour.
BTW, DW pedals are far superior (in price and quality) and apparently MP
thinks this too... :)
HeinV
NP. Annihilator - Criteria For Black Widow.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:02:13 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: KC
Message-ID: <v04220800b4b1e0b22d30@[192.168.1.1]>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Go get King Crimson's
>In the Court
>of the Crimson King and listen to the first track. Thats right, the
>first track
>on the first ever prog rock CD (the first main one) is also the first ever
>prog metal song!
Prog metal with horns? That's not your typical metal song, is it? ;-)
If you would have said the first, hysterical part of Larks' Tongues
I, directly followed by Larks' Tongues II, I'd have agreed. Two of
the heaviest prog moments ever.
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:43:15 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, <epigram@ilist.net> Subject: Sun Caged Message-ID: <000b01bf6660$3438e260$fe966dc2@xs4all.nl>
Hello there,
It's been a while since I last posted here. I just wanted to let you guys know that Sun Caged's line-up is now complete and we are now hard at work writing material with the different musicians (9 in total). Hopefully we'll be able to release our cd before the end of the year.
At last weekend's session, we recorded some songs and last night I put some samples on the website. You can visit the website at www.xs4all.nl/~dl/suncaged Please sign the guestbook and let us know what you think.
I also want to stress the fact that we are looking for sponsors at this time. Please email suncaged@xs4all.nl if you are interested or if you want more info.
cheers,
Dennis Leeflang / Sun Caged
============================================= dl@xs4all.nl Dennis Leeflang's DrumWeb: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl/ Sun Caged: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl/suncaged/ Seismic Radio: http://www.seismicradio.com/ ICQ: 21285351 StiX on IRC (irc.forestnet.org, channel #seismic) =============================================
"Fate lies on the other side. But fate lied before..." ~ GAS
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:42:14 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, bostonjam@dreamt.org Subject: [Fwd: Allan Holdsworth] Message-ID: <388C3A96.BA6FE535@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:08:54 EST From: Awake600@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5278 Message-ID: <ae.6dc61b.25bd9ad6@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/24/00 3:01:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< I've always approached the Beatles as 2 distinct bands, the pre Sgt. Pepper Beatles and the Sgt. Pepper's on Beatles. The former being completely inessential, the latter being one of the most amazing, most trippy, most amazing bands ever. >>
I believe you mean the pre RUBBER SOUL Beatles. Personally I think it's shocking that not there are actually people on this jam that not only think they suck, but that they aren't INNOVATIVE. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and it completely destroys the integrity of those people's opinions in my mind. I don't think you can find a better collection of at least 20 of the most brilliant melodies ever written within Rubber Soul and Revolver, and those two albums are easily within my top 20 of all time. Personally, I think Sgt. Pepper was not as good as those two albums - I think with all the experimentation they kinda left out some of the songs, but it is still amazing, and worth it for just 3 or 4 of the best songs ("Lucy In The Sky...", "Day In The Life", "With A Little Help", etc..) What I have heard before Rubber Soul may be infested with more 'generic' love songs, but the melodies, song dynamics and HARMONIES are still a lot better than most bands can come up with.
Nick
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:16:55 +1100 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the beatles, grunge Message-ID: <388C42B6.CD2D3169@alphalink.com.au>
> I've always approached the Beatles as 2 distinct bands, the pre Sgt. Pepper > Beatles and the Sgt. Pepper's on Beatles. The former being completely > inessential, the latter being one of the most amazing, most trippy, most > amazing bands ever. >
I think that style was always there (there's was always a song or two on the albums that hinted towards it), but no one would have dared let them make an album with that type of stuff so the band didn't go ahead until they had the freedom to say 'f*** you' (and they had taken a lot of LSD).
> I don't know if I'd label them grunge.... Most alternative > rock has no vocal or compositional ability that I've yet > discerned, while AiC tend to play/sing fairly clearly. > Their sense of harmony is almost freakish. >
Well grunge is a funny thing. If you think about all the so called 'grunge' heavy weights- Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, AIC and Smashing Pumpkins and a handful of others, thats a very mixed bag. Pearl Jam and Nirvana are kind of similar, although without Eddie, Pearl Jam is pretty much a classic rock style band. AIC and Soundgarden is pretty much straight ahead metal with a bit of a Seattle sound. The smashing pumpkins in my mind has nothing to do with grunge other than maybe the subject of the lyrics- hey, they're from boston not seattle. Grunge in my mind really stems from the fusion of the poetry and suicidal tendencies of bands like Joy Division and the Cure, with the noise of Sonic Youth and punk, and a bit of Black Sabbath and the Beatles thrown in.
Steve Z wrote- Music SUCKS today. (yes, I know that's an opinion too, but if you're
> talking about how good an artist is, mentioning today's music takes you down > a few notches on the credibility scale.) > > >I can GUARANTEE you there would be no Dream Theater as we know it. > > a) no, you can't, and 2) maybe some of the things I really dislike about DT > would be gone if the Beatles had never existed.
bah. its called rock music- get over it
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:33:36 -0200 From: Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: CD burnning question Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A7103487136@CORREIO>
Hi Jammers,
I got a problem. I'm trying to make a CD-R copy of a DT bootleg which is almost 74min long. I use Easy CD Creator 3.5c and it says it's 17 secs overtime. Weird because the source CD contains 649 Mb and the target CD-R (Sony) contains 652 Mb free space.
Any idea on how to burn the CD without lost anything??
Cheers,
Alex
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:46:21 -0600 From: "Edward Polzin" <epolzin@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: XMas CD **** SPOILERS ***** Message-ID: <001b01bf6671$6612a9e0$0200a8c0@oklwn1.il.home.com>
When did you get yours? I still havent gotten mine yet.
Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://members.home.net/epolzin/ ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 3:43 AM Subject: XMas CD **** SPOILERS *****
> > Hi Jammerz, > > Just wanted to say that I got the XMAS CD (many of you already have it I > suppose, but no comments so far...) and I must reallky admit that the AC/DC > cover High Wire is really fantasctic :))). > > > HeinV > > > NP. Rush - Moving Pictures One of their best, IMVHO. > >
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:49:06 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Subjectivity vs. objectivity Message-ID: <20000124144907.22213.qmail@hotmail.com>
>guys like Berlin and Manring seem to stand out over, say Myung, but Myung >is on a pretty high rung himself, standing out over X, who seems to stand >out over Y, until you get to the bottom of all the rungs, where we find Kip >Winger. =)
ROTFLMAO!
>So, where do we draw the line between objective and subjective >judgments >concerning musicians?
Oh, that's easy. If *we* like or dislike 'em, then clearly, only a moron could disagree, 'cos we're so objective. But obviously, anyone lacking the inherent musical genius which intractably belongs to all fans of Dream Theater, is only going to be able to manage SUBJECTIVE comments like "Noel Gallagher is *much* better than Steve Vai". ;)
The latter of which, incidentally, I'd agree with. :d
In short, you can objectively discuss a players *technical* skills (in which case, JP obviously stands out over Courtney Love, and Neil Peart can piss over John Bonham); but beyond that, and it's WHOLLY subjective. I find JP and JB's playing wholly more emotional and wonderfull than CL or NP, but it's really a case of whatever lights yer fire!
Si
N.P.: Oasis' new album, "I'm Much Better Than That Poof (Steve Vai)"
> >--matt tedesco >
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:01:00 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: KevMo playing and BEatles Message-ID: <20000124150100.64165.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I've always approached the Beatles as 2 distinct bands, the pre Sgt. Pepper >Beatles and the Sgt. Pepper's on Beatles. The former >being completely >inessential, the latter being one of the most >amazing, most trippy, most >amazing bands ever. Or, to rephrase: whilst the Beatles latterday efforts led to the birth of progressive rock (to anyone who claims otherwise: no Beatles and Beach Boys = no YES. No Yes. No Yes = no DT: thusly quoth JP, "One of our biggest influences is Yes". And arguably, no Beatles = no Zep, = no Rush. Facts, not opinions.), equallly, their earlier incarnation was as the very first manufactured boy band. So maybe in ten years, the Backstreet Boys will be the biggest thing in prog!
> >From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> > >Subject: Chris Ingles (Shadow Gallery) >>and I can't help but notice that Chris Ingles style is almost >>identical to Kevin Moore's pre-Chromakey... >I don't know if KM started the trend, or if he picked up >on an emerging one, but it seems his is among the most >copied for prog key-players nowadays, probably because >it gives them a chance to compete with the guitars.
For the benefit of those of us who are marginally unaware of the state of keyboard solos / general playing pre- and post-KevMo, could you - or anyone else - elaborate on this post, please? Like, lots?
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:10:25 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the shortest path is rarely a straight line Message-ID: <388C7971.AA426687@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Stephen LaMonica wrote something: >
Are you related to Daryl, one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game?
Carlos' sig file contains: > Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. > Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind.
That song has some of my favorite lyrics off SFaM. Once again John Myung penetrates far deeper than realize...loud without a sound.
> someone wrote: So, where do we draw the line between objective and > subjective judgments concerning musicians?
Where? Somewhere around the time you subscribe to the list :)
> There is no line to be drawn. If you like a musician, they're good. If you > don't like 'em, they suck. Simple as that. > -Banjoman
I like bands that suck, though...
Wes delivers Deep Thoughts: The Next Generation with:
> If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and > there is no woman around to hear him ... is he still wrong?
of course! "there can be no peace of mind."
so much DTC, so little time :)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:51:24 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Beatles Message-ID: <004201bf668b$506755e0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
Ok. Since it's the thing to do to run around planting flags about this sort of shit, I thought I could do a little running of the mouth about it, too.
1) If you like the Beatles, that's fine. 2) If you don't like the Beatles, that's fine.
It is not NECESSARY to like, appreciate, or even respect the Beatles just because they were an influence (or an influence of an influence) of some band you like. If things in reality worked that way, you'd have to send a birthday card to half the people on the planet because they would be your 5493rd cousin (12447th removed) just to pay respect for that common uncle you had 1530 years ago. :P
Me? I think the Beatles had some decent songs. Not many, though. To me, they were nothing more than a silly NKOTB band of the 60's. I don't like them, I don't give a shit who they are, and I don't give a damn about their imprint on modern music. Agreed, Dream Theater considers them an influence, but remember, as well, so did Oasis. :P Dream Theater, however, >improves< on the influence the Beatles gave them whereas Oasis either equated it or worsened it. Either way, I don't like the Beatles. :P
BTW, HAPPY B-DAY JOHN MYUNG! :) And happy birthday to me, too (yesterday) -- KorgX3 is wearing corduroy and feels damn sexy. NP: Phil Collins - You Can't Hurry Love.mp3
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:50:48 -0500 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5278 Message-ID: <006201bf668b$2b7c0aa0$f7bdfea9@guest3382>
----- Original Message ----- ]From: <Awake600@aol.com>
> people's opinions in my mind. I don't think you can find a better collection > of at least 20 of the most brilliant melodies ever written within Rubber Soul
20 of the most brilliant melodies EVER WRITTEN? Sorry, but that's a stretch. A good way not to "destroy the integrity of your opinion" in OTHER people's minds is not to make such silly, extremist statements. It's not I don't agree that The Beatles were an important influence in music, etc, but to say that in 2000+ years of recorded (written) music 20 of the best melodies ever can be found on 2 of the Beatles' albums is ...well.... I'll just say REALLY far-fetched.
Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:02:38 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: V-Drums Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000124110238.00947a00@objypop>
Korgy Sed:
>Just from the fact that these guys swoon whenever anyone mentions V-drum >must be a credit to the intrument. :) But, they do have their criticism. >Basically all they really complain about is the dynamics. While the kit >almost plays like a real kit, it doesn't play like a real kit. It does >sense light taps and heavy hits, but basically that's it. There's no >playing around the rim. You hit the pad on the edge and it makes the same >sound as if you hit it in the center. That's the no. 1 and only bitch I've >heard about the kit. It's like picking a guitar at the neck and picking it >at the bridge and getting the same sound. Most guitarists probably wouldn't >give a fuck anyway...
Not quite. The Snare pad and one of the cymbals (I think the ride) have positional sensing, where the rim sounds different than the center, with variations in between. The rest of them are two-trigger (drum and rim) pads.
~Chris
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:35:24 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The "Beatles Rules" FACT Message-ID: <388CA97C.9B4CFED9@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Steven Zinck" <zincks@ohsu.edu> > > Hey, does anyone know if DT is going to be touring the > US again later in the year?
Shut up, unthankful one and stand in the line, on the very end. Geez I really, really can't understand some Americans! :(
> From: Fett2002@aol.com > > >You bet wrong. I H A T E the Beatles. Nothing innovative. > >Steve Z > > Music would not be where it is today if not for the Beatles. > I can GUARANTEE you there would be no Dream Theater as we know it
And you can bet on that! And this isn't someones old "opinion" excuse, this is a fact. Wether you like it or not. Mua-ha-ha. :)
And then Inferno enlightened us: > i'm not a big beatles fan as i don't really enjoy listening > to it much.. but you have to kick it down for them..
There, perfectly said. You don't have to like them, but cut the crappy "not inovative" theories.
> From: Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu> > > I've always approached the Beatles as 2 distinct bands, the pre > Sgt. Pepper Beatles and the Sgt. Pepper's on Beatles. The former > being completely inessential
Now don't push it. :)
> the latter being one of the most amazing, > most trippy, most amazing bands ever.
Actually the line is a little more in the past. Ask Portnoy pal, he knows it too. With the Rubber Soul/Revolver albums they evolved into more mature writers. Are you saying the White Album belongs to the early period? No way dude, that's a masterpiece too.
> From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: RE:Bands we all like > > So I think that the only universally like band here is > DT but how a bout Zappa?!?
I promised myself I won't participate in this stupid thread, but ..
ZAPPA - HELL YEAH!!! :)
----- CyberDuke thinks this Eleanor Rigby chick is cooler than Victoria ;o)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:47:08 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The "Beatles Rules" FACT Message-ID: <20000124194708.26113.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com>
> > I've always approached the Beatles as 2 distinct > bands, the pre > > Sgt. Pepper Beatles and the Sgt. Pepper's on > Beatles. The former > > being completely inessential > > Now don't push it. :)
I'm not a Beatles expert, but I can't help but think that the Beatles days of silly and useless pop music were... silly and useless. I mean really, is there anything on the Beatles first album that is of any type of consequence to music in the long run (ie, shaping people's influences, etc)? I don't think so. Now pretty much everything Rubber Soul has it's place in pop music, even Magical Mystery Tour for as much as I dislike that CD (and yet I play a few times a month, go figure).
> Are you saying the White Album > belongs to the early > period? No way dude, that's a masterpiece too.
I love the White Album too, but it's basically a solo showcase for the individual members moreso than actual *band* album. And yet it's really good (I'm a sucker for anything written by George Harrison). Latter day Beatles, regardless of your definition.
> I promised myself I won't participate in this stupid > thread, but .. > > ZAPPA - HELL YEAH!!!
I promised myself the same, but... I never got into Zappa. Another one bites the dust. Any Who fans on this list? :ož = *Trent np- The Ballad Of John & Yoko.mp3 (getting into the spirit of things) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:56:26 +0200 From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Angra Acoustic Set? Message-ID: <388CAE6A.21AC6817@yahoo.com>
> >????? What does the acoustic show have to do with the Freedom > >Call EP? > > In Brazil, and in other parts of the world I'd guess, the Freedom Call > EP featured two tracks of the acoustic show, Angels Cry and Never > Understand... >
My copy didn't, I don't have it here so I can't confirn this, but I recall that it had different remixes of the songs: Queen of The Night, Deep Blue, Painkiller and one other.
Another thing that's been on my mind about Angra, is that one guy on Epigram said he loved the Holy Land bonus track Queen of The Night. Anyone else who has this kind of version ? Mine didn't...
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Janne Jokitalo
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