YTSEJAM Digest 5278
Today's Topics:
1) beatles
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
2) KC please!!!
by Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
3) my .02 cents worth
by Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
4) new DT tour date!!!
by "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
5) Platues among muscians
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
6) RE:Bands we all like
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
7) Help needed finding a CD
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
8) Re:Xmas CD
by "Michael Detzel" <MichaelDetzel@gmx.de>
9) alice in chains
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
10) KM, et al.
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
11) ramblin
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
12) This kinda stuff really pisses me off
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
13) Re: CD Burning Problems
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
14) Re: KC please!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
15) Re: KC please!!!
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
16) RE: KC please!!!
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
17) Ethno / World music
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
18) Re: speaking of drums...
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
19) Beatlesuck
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5277
by OBWedgKnOb@aol.com
21) drawing the line
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
22) re2: 90 best CDs of the 90s!
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
23) Re: On Venues
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
24) Re: Magnolia/movies of the year
by JamesAhab@aol.com
25) Re: Help needed finding a CD
by JamesAhab@aol.com
26) The Doctor is In
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:27:34 GMT
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: beatles
Message-ID: <20000123102734.65054.qmail@hotmail.com>
there would be no PROG period dot com..they invented the idea of continuity
within songs and albums.. *don't argue classical with me..i'm talking rock
and roll here :)*.. sgt.pep was a milestone in music.."not inovative" my
ass.
i'm not a big beatles fan as i don't really enjoy listening to it much.. but
you have to kick it down for them..
inferno
NP: michael romeo - the dark chapter
>Music would not be where it is today if not for the Beatles. I can
>GUARANTEE you there would be no Dream Theater as we know it.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 02:23:00 -0600
From: Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: KC please!!!
Message-ID: <4.1.20000123022043.00915c30@yellow.ucdavis.edu>
Just in repsonse to the earlier post:
PLEASE! PLEASE! PLAY 1 SHOW IN KANSAS CITY!!!!!!
Just one little show, for all of us in Kansas City, so we don't have to
drive 5 hours to St. Louis or Chicago!!!
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 02:26:43 -0600
From: Jared Rodecker <jmrodecker@ucdavis.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: my .02 cents worth
Message-ID: <4.1.20000123022402.009212d0@yellow.ucdavis.edu>
Just my opinion:
I've always approached the Beatles as 2 distinct bands, the pre Sgt. Pepper
Beatles and the Sgt. Pepper's on Beatles. The former being completely
inessential, the latter being one of the most amazing, most trippy, most
amazing bands ever.
JMO
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:55:36 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: new DT tour date!!!
Message-ID: <94862322501@mail.socket.net>
I just read earlier on DT's web site that they just added a tour date
in St. Louis at Mississippi Nights on Feb. 14. Totally cool, though
I'd rather see them at the American Theater. I plan on being at
both the Feb. 13 Chicago show and this one. If anyone wants to
hook up, e-mail me privately.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:08:30 -0000
From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
Cc: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Platues among muscians
Message-ID: <001e01bf6592$2f0bdb40$5834883e@default>
matt tedesco wrote...
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>This was going to be yet another post in this long silly string of
>comparative bands that I was going to let slide, and then two things
>truck me about it:
>1--Ben here looks to be at the very same university that I'm at
>2--It speaks not to comparison among bands, but rather among musicians
>I only bring this up because it's something I've found puzzling for a long
>time. On the one hand, it seems fair and largely indisputable to make
>certain comparative claims between musicians. I can look at what someone
>like, say, Jason Newsted has done, and then look at what someone like Jeff
>Berlin has done, and it seems pretty clear and indisputable that Berlin is
>the more capable, accomplished bassist.
>Other comparisons are more difficult. I can try and compare Berlin to
>say, Stanley Clarke, but they're both in such rarified air among bassists,
>that if anything, the outcome might seem to reduce to opinion. Yet
>presumably, when we're making these comparisons, the claim is that, yes,
>*objectively*, John Petrucci is clearly the better guitarist than Courtney
>Love.
>What that seems to boil down to is that we can roughly place certain
>musicians on a plateau, and of that upper echelon, comparison seems
>fruitless. So guys like Berlin, Clarke, Jaco, Manring, Wooten, etc., are
>all so accomplished in their mastery of the bass that comparison among
>them can *only* reduce to subjectivity.
>Looking at that, though, it doesn't seem to be a satisfying answer to this
>question of comparison. Because then the question becomes, how does one
>gain inclusion to this level? And how many levels are there? Certainly
>guys like Berlin and Manring seem to stand out over, say Myung, but Myung
>is on a pretty high rung himself, standing out over X, who seems to stand
>out over Y, until you get to the bottom of all the rungs, where we find
>Kip Winger. =)
>This question has been in my mind for awhile, and it comes up again now
>between Bonham and Peart, two drummers who are held in high esteem. One
>obvious answer is that it only reduces to subjectivity, but like I said,
>that's unsatisfying because we want to be able to say that Petrucci is
>clearly better than Love, objectively. However, we also want to be able
>to say that, I dunno, stand Holdsworth up next to Vai, and there is room
>for genuine disagreement.
>So, where do we draw the line between objective and subjective judgments
>concerning musicians?
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First off congratulation on an integgligent post. First off I belive that
there is a degree of good sense in rating the musicains in the way that you
do..... but I belive that this not an exautive way of doing things. Using
Bassest as an example as you do. I think the best basssit wsa Jaco.. just
not on teh level of technique but on teh level of feel. Have you ever heard
the track "Skunk Funk" from teh Brecker Brothers album Heavy Metal Be-Bop..
God damn that is some of thefunkiest playing ever, period. I would say
Jacos feel pulls him far beyond Manring/Alan Caron etc.
I also think musical context has a big role to play. If Myung released solo
albums in the vain of Manring who knows what he would do.. I think the
most valid way of comparing musicians is teh solo album were they have
comlete artistic control. Say Vai verus Satch. (To MY EARS Vai wins hands
down as I think Joes' compositions are very poor)
But if you want to get into it you could devise runs for technicallity,
compostion, feel etc etc Each Rung canot carry equal weight in differnt
musical styles. EG feel would be of greater import in funk that techincal
brilliance.
I rate muisicans mostly on there ability to communicate in the context that
they put themselves in, to me.. but I still take note of how technically
good they are and this comes a close second. But baring in mind my "boat
floats" for a more technical style so I prefer a ceratin type of player who
communacates to me on my chosen level. Same is true for every one.. In the
UK in a magazine Flea was rated best bassist of all time, Jaco was 7th.....
says it all ;}
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Tristam Douglas
tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:18:31 -0000
From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE:Bands we all like
Message-ID: <002401bf6593$9512d320$5834883e@default>
Bands otehr than DT that every one on the jam likes.. hmmm.
In MY exprience Dt fans range from prog hards to death metal freaks. But I
might suggest that your averge DT fan is a pretty cosmpolitan type of
person, able to find worth in many styles of music and differnt bands.
I would guess that most people reading this now are musicains and as such
like a particular style (amongst others) of music, DT's style.
So I think that the only universally like band here is DT but how a bout
Zappa?!?
To divulge which composers do Dt fans go for I personally love Stravinski
and Bartok
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Tristam Douglas
tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:27:01 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Help needed finding a CD
Message-ID: <4.1.20000123220556.0092a100@ozemail.com.au>
I am trying to find an online CD store that has Theatre Of Tragedy
singer's Kiv Kristine's solo album ' Deus Ex Machina' .
I found it at http://www.musicflash.com/
But the CD is DM 29.90 and postage is amazingly DM 45.00
So if anyone can help, either knows of a site that will
leave me with both my arms and legs intact, or could posibily
buy the CD and be re-emburst later, please email me.
Thanks
gaz
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:28:18 -0500
From: "Michael Detzel" <MichaelDetzel@gmx.de>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re:Xmas CD
Message-ID: <001901bf65c7$5da73640$8c6cfd91@michael>
Yesterday I received my Xmas CD!! Iīm a member of the DTIFC in Holland and
as I live in Germany, the shipping didnīt take very long. Denis Schoen
(DTIFC) said that all CDīs were shipped about two weeks ago. But believe me,
itīs worth waiting for!!
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 06:37:36 EST
From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: alice in chains
Message-ID: <20000123113736.35009.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
>Subject: re: 90 best CDs of the 90s!
>More grunge - I'd put Alice in Chains/Dirt in the top
>ten (maybe #3?).
I don't know if I'd label them grunge.... Most alternative
rock has no vocal or compositional ability that I've yet
discerned, while AiC tend to play/sing fairly clearly.
Their sense of harmony is almost freakish.
A/J
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 06:55:17 EST
From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: KM, et al.
Message-ID: <20000123115517.2398.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
>To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>Subject: Chris Ingles (Shadow Gallery)
>and I can't help but notice that Chris Ingles style is almost
>identical to Kevin Moore's pre-Chromakey...
I don't know if KM started the trend, or if he picked up
on an emerging one, but it seems his is among the most
copied for prog key-players nowadays, probably because
it gives them a chance to compete with the guitars.
>Also I still don't get how DT fans who are all into I&W...don't like Shadow
>Gallery...if you pretend Mike Baker
>isn't there (it's hard, but it can be done) they are probably the
>closest thing to DT as you can get.
If you can get around the accent (not difficult) and lyrics
(could really use work), the Italian band Arkhe' comes pretty
close to the I&W sound.
NP- Mullmuzzler: Keep It to Yourself
D/J
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:00:56 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ramblin
Message-ID: <388AFB87.69D9375A@alphalink.com.au>
> Now, congratulations to Dave for his list, great job... But I must
> say, having seen Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, I also thought PJ's
> Ten would be in the list, 'cause IMO it's much better than
> Badmotorfinger or Dirt...
He also forget Radiohead and Rage Against the Machine but I'm sure he'll
remember next time.
> Of the 3, I've heard a little bit of VP, but I'd like to hear more. So far,
> I found the official website of Conception, but there are no sound clips at
> all, much less MP3's. If anyone can point me to a website where I can check
> these bands out, I'd appreciate it.
>
More of people should join the Napster thing that someone mentioned. It's
a bit buggy at the moment but it still works. Go to their site ( I think it s just
www.napster.com)
> Go straight to your room and start listenin' to Rush, boy!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Go get King Crimson's In the Court
of the Crimson King and listen to the first track. Thats right, the first track
on the first ever prog rock CD (the first main one) is also the first ever
prog metal song!
On a side note, does any one else find that when they play Dream Theater
for friends, that if they keep it to a minimum the response is often very positive.
For example, normally when I am noodling around on my classical guitar people
don't pay much attention unless I play something they know, but whenever I
play Another Day, they all look up and say - 'What's that?' They also then ask
if I can sing the words and I laugh and say "No way!" (my vocal range is just a
few notes down low somewhere)
Its funny because people often say - "It's kind of 80s... but its not that bad."
And also people love the Liquid Tension Experiment albums, especially the more
mellow tracks like Liquid Dreams or Chris and Kevin's Excellent adventure.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:41:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: This kinda stuff really pisses me off
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10001230936260.110434-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
Mike Verstraete wrote:
> Also, HEY MIKE PORTNOY, I see St.Louis has been added to the tour. How
> about Kansas City too???????
I really hate when people use this list as the "Personal Pleas to Portnoy"
list. Answer me this: has anyone ever seen MP answer a "Hey Mike..."
statement/question on this list? I haven't either. When are you people
going to realize that King Mike doesn't do the tour booking?!? IT'S NOT
UP TO THE BAND MEMBERS!!!!! Geez.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:41:43 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: CD Burning Problems
Message-ID: <388B2137.1E670AEC@wezl.org>
Have you had the same problem with other discs lately? Cause that sounds
exactly like what happened to me...turned out I got busted using a
pirated copy of EZ CD creater 4.0 and it wiped out my drivers...I just
re-installed windows over itself after uninstalling ezcd4...then
re-installed ezcd 3.whatever I had before...and everything's been
working great since
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>
> I've never come across this problem before, but I thought somebody might
> know what it could be. I was burning a CD from MP3s (very high-quality
> ones, too, but that shouldn't matter), at Disc-at-Once mode, and when I
> tried playing the CD, all I got was digital silence. :(
>
> Does anybody know what this problem could be?
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Coutermarsh
> a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
> http://cout.dhs.org/
> Cloak on IRC
> ICQ: 2513441
> -------------------------------------------------
> Procrastinators UNITE... tomorrow.
> -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:44:30 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: KC please!!!
Message-ID: <388B21DE.1B4B1E32@wezl.org>
Oh wah! I have to drive 6 hours to the first show...then 4-5 from there
for the second show...and 9 hours back...4 hours from KC to STL is
NOTHING! (I'm from Missouri so I can back that up)
Jared Rodecker wrote:
>
> Just in repsonse to the earlier post:
>
> PLEASE! PLEASE! PLAY 1 SHOW IN KANSAS CITY!!!!!!
>
> Just one little show, for all of us in Kansas City, so we don't have to
> drive 5 hours to St. Louis or Chicago!!!
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:55:36 -0500
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: KC please!!!
Message-ID: <388B3288.F8C4AE24@yunque.net>
Hell.. im FLYING from Puerto Rico to catch the Boston show and from there
driving to NYC so i can catch both shows in one weekend. That means airfare,
lodging and car expenses, not counting tickets and food..
Still working on the details though. And my friend Alexis is flying to
florida to catch the orlando and palm beach shows... please dont whine
because you have to *gasp* drive a number of hours to see DT. (this is to the
original poster, not nuggetman)
NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> Oh wah! I have to drive 6 hours to the first show...then 4-5 from there
> for the second show...and 9 hours back...4 hours from KC to STL is
> NOTHING! (I'm from Missouri so I can back that up)
>
> Jared Rodecker wrote:
> >
> > Just in repsonse to the earlier post:
> >
> > PLEASE! PLEASE! PLAY 1 SHOW IN KANSAS CITY!!!!!!
> >
> > Just one little show, for all of us in Kansas City, so we don't have to
> > drive 5 hours to St. Louis or Chicago!!!
--Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:14:29 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: KC please!!! Message-ID: <000101bf65bc$ed96e710$3464a8c0@klindt.org>
I'm driving 6 hours to the Chicago show. I wish they were playing closer (actually Minnepolis IS closer but I can't go to that show) but that's just the way it goes.
tk
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-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Carlos A. Alfaro Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: KC please!!!
Hell.. im FLYING from Puerto Rico to catch the Boston show and from there driving to NYC so i can catch both shows in one weekend. That means airfare, lodging and car expenses, not counting tickets and food.. Still working on the details though. And my friend Alexis is flying to florida to catch the orlando and palm beach shows... please dont whine because you have to *gasp* drive a number of hours to see DT. (this is to the original poster, not nuggetman)
NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> Oh wah! I have to drive 6 hours to the first show...then 4-5 from there > for the second show...and 9 hours back...4 hours from KC to STL is > NOTHING! (I'm from Missouri so I can back that up) > > Jared Rodecker wrote: > > > > Just in repsonse to the earlier post: > > > > PLEASE! PLEASE! PLAY 1 SHOW IN KANSAS CITY!!!!!! > > > > Just one little show, for all of us in Kansas City, so we don't have to > > drive 5 hours to St. Louis or Chicago!!!
--
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:50:08 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ethno / World music Message-ID: <388B3F50.B94CB953@mol.com.mk>
These are URLs for some Macedonian ethno based music stuff. Complete albums on MP3. In the last year or so quite a few foreign fellows contacted me about these bands of ours. They were thrilled by this music which they heard accidenttly and wanted to know anything available. I think this might be a new music for most of the Westerns, something unheard before. Ready for a challenge? :) Go for it! I strongly recomend checking it.
http://jared.graceland.edu/mp3/Anastasia/
http://jared.graceland.edu/mp3/DD%20Synthesis/
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:06:40 +0000 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: speaking of drums... Message-ID: <388B5F50.8ACF61D0@home.se>
Korg Ecksthrey commented on the V-Drums:
> One thing's for certain, they sound kick ass. (Well, > the samples do anyway). Aside from all else, my friends all look like > they're having sex when they get behind one. Draw your own conclusions from > there, and go try one out. You'll love it, it's a way of life!
What you are describing actually sounds like something I could learn to live with. The guy who runs the rehearsal room I play in, just bought a standard V-drum kit and I thought he'd gone clinically insane. I was ready to fissure his head with a cleaver for spending our money on what I thought was pure crap, but now I can't wait to check them out! The best thing about them (I've heard) is that expensive microphones are rendered useless. It'll make life in the studio much more pleasant!
Andreas Skarin mailto:skarre@dtifc.com http://www.dtifc.com/sweden/
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:04:23 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Beatlesuck Message-ID: <000901bf65dd$0c6fe220$0200010a@steve>
> Nothing innovative?! I'm not huge into the Beatles or anything and could care > less if people don't like them, but to say that there is nothing innovative > about them is the most unknowledgeable thing I may have EVER heard anyone > say. No offense! It's like saying that 1+1=4.
Your opinion
>They progressed (yes, the word > I use here is progressed!) more from their first recording to their last that > anyone ever has.
Your opinion
>It's quite amazing the amount of progression that the band > made. To go from "She Loves You Yeah Yeah" type stuff to the Sergeant Pepper > stuff is an amazing progression.
Again, your opinion
(this and the above opinions may be shared by many people, but that doesn't change the fact that they are opinions)
>Not to mention the many innovations that > they were rsponsible for in the recording process itself.
I think most of that credit should go to George Martin.
>Music would not be where it is today if not for the Beatles.
Music SUCKS today. (yes, I know that's an opinion too, but if you're talking about how good an artist is, mentioning today's music takes you down a few notches on the credibility scale.)
>I can GUARANTEE you there would be no Dream Theater as we know it.
a) no, you can't, and 2) maybe some of the things I really dislike about DT would be gone if the Beatles had never existed.
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:04:35 EST From: OBWedgKnOb@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5277 Message-ID: <a9.e8142c.25bcd4f3@aol.com>
PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS MAILING LIST
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:46:45 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: drawing the line Message-ID: <20000123224645.6361.qmail@hotmail.com>
someone wrote: So, where do we draw the line between objective and subjective judgments concerning musicians?
There is no line to be drawn. If you like a musician, they're good. If you don't like 'em, they suck. Simple as that. -Banjoman
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 01:04:19 +0100 From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re2: 90 best CDs of the 90s! Message-ID: <4.1.20000123082646.00925b80@mail.muc.de>
Hi y'all,
I also like to thank Dave Thomas to put so much effort in his list, even though I don't agree with all his choices.
like Brian Hansen wrote: Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger, Pear Jam - 10 and Alice in Chains - Dirt are top choice even if you don't care for Grunge at all.
On my list you'd also find: Anthrax - The sound of white noise: The first "modern" Metal album of the decade. Judas Priest - Painkiller: no comment. Rammstein - Herzeleid: More of a german phenomenon. IQ - Subterranea: I'm still surprised they didn't get more exposure on this list. Anathema - Alternative 4: unbelievable in the feelings this album creates. and about 200 other CDs from different genres...
>Can't agree more with including all of Symphony-X. I >would put TDWoT at # 2. > >Tool - Gotta have 'em. Dave did. > >White Zombie - I would have to rate "La Sexorcisto" as >the definitive Zombie disc. Just a preference I guess. Gotta agree on these too...
>Additions - If you go into other styles of music, >you'd have to have a longer list. Here's some that >didn't make Dave's list: > >The Black Crowes/The Southern Harmony and Musical >Companion - One of the best albums ever recorded. It's >in the blues/rock style, kinda of an updated Rolling >Stones style. Definately a classic: a wonderfully flowing album, not a single stinker on there, although I never really cared for the Rolling Stones comparisons.
>The Counting Crowes/August and... - Another disc that >started a style. There would not have been a Matchbox >20 or Wallflowers without this disc. The more clones >you have, the better you must have been... MAYBE they started a fashion, but there were others doing this kind of music first. Counting Crowes were only the first to be pushed by a major record company and "Mr.Jones" was force fed to the eMpTyV-crowd. Sorry, I don't see anything special about this album... (although it sits on my CD-shelf...:-)
>Snoop Doggy Dog/Doggystyle - OK, most of the people >here probably don't like one of the major styles of >the decade, but this was the best. Sorry Brian, you had it coming... I was waiting for the day to either blackmail you for some nice bootleg or just to make you pay for a few pitchers for the Calicrew. It doesn't really matter that I don't like Snoop Doggy Dog or any other 90s rap, but to bring this up on the ytsejam is just an attempt at social suicide and I want to help you with this by giving the crowd your most infamous quote: "Snoop Doggy Dog is the Dream Theater of Rap Music" - Brian Hansen (on the way to the Spock's Beard show in SF) oh the humanity, the suffering!!! How dare he... :-)
>Korn - Let's combine Metallica with rap[..] I don't even want to touch this with a ten foot pole...
>Fear Factory - I would have to include Obsolete. Hell, >it's even a concept album. EDGECRUSHER!!! Thanks for introducing Fear Factory to me. You guys take care (and Brian: talk to you soon) jerry
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:52:02 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: On Venues Message-ID: <00d701bf6626$d096d700$802efea9@phoenix>
>The 9:30 Club is definitely a huge step up (though you probably can't pack >nearly as many people in there as you could in the Ballroom). It would be >an even better place to see a show, though, if they got a soundguy who >didn't try to max the volume levels for everything. Rule of thumb: when >you go to a show and you're wearing decent earplugs, but your ears are >still ringing loudly at the end, chances are the volume was unnecessarily high.
Sound was pretty good for Fish. No, you may not be able to put more people into 930, but more will be able to SEE. :^)
Jason
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 01:35:08 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Magnolia/movies of the year Message-ID: <b8.116054d.25bd4c9c@aol.com>
>< It starts off fast and entertaining, then gets a little slow and boring, but it's worth sticking around for the bizarro ending. For the record, I wasn't a huge fan of his previous film, Boogie Nights, either. My picks for movie of the year are Being John Malkovich, American Beauty, and Run Lola Run. The Green Mile was pretty good too. ><
Re: ending of Magnolia...hasn't that actually happened before? maybe not in that magnitude, but i heard it did happen, maybe in biblical times or something. weird, weird shit. its been an exceptional year for movies, surprisingly. a *lot* of good films to see this past year.
sorry for being offf-topic
jim
np: Carisma: 1825 (brilliant, moody concept album)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 01:39:31 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Help needed finding a CD Message-ID: <7c.cf036f.25bd4da3@aol.com>
you can get it from century media. centurymedia.com
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:54:32 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Doctor is In Message-ID: <200001240754.XAA16747@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well, I'm still here... and I'll be going to DT at Santa Ana and the Saturday DT show at the Palace in LA... and I'll be at NAMM... so e-mail me if you are going and I haven't spoken to yah...
-The Doc
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