YTSEJAM Digest 5277
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Beatles/ Dave's list
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
2) New Dream Theater CD single: "Through Her Eyes"
by MTeiper@aol.com
3) When Images And Words Unite
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
4) SFAM / PF
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) A Couple Of Things...
by MTeiper@aol.com
6) Musician Comparison
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
7) Re: SFAM / PF
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
8) Chris Ingles (Shadow Gallery)
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
9) Re: When Images And Words Unite
by "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi>
10) early prog metal?
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
11) DT tour plans later this year
by "Steven Zinck" <zincks@ohsu.edu>
12) various threads
by "Matthew McDaniel" <cfiatp@hotmail.com>
13) Xmas CD
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
14) MEETING PLACE FOR JAMMERS AT SANTA ANA SHOW
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
15) symphony x doesn't look like this!!!
by "Peter M. Munoz" <pmm23@cornell.edu>
16) Re: Bands That We ALL Like
by JamesAhab@aol.com
17) Re: symphony x doesn't look like this!!!
by "Michael Gray" <mg@planetsarcasm.com>
18) Re: The Beatles
by Fett2002@aol.com
19) CD Burning Problems
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:46:54 -0200
From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Beatles/ Dave's list
Message-ID: <0DBA05D8E20D3D11DA5D00807CFD5BDB@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Okay, here's my take on all of this that's been sad about 'em...
First, I agree with Trent, Ringo was a shitty drummer and singer,
can't say a shitty composer 'cause I don't know which Beatles' songs
were his and know nothing of his solo stuff...
But I can't agree with what Steve Z said about how they weren't
innovative... Man, you gotta remember they did what they did in the
60's... It's not like they've just released their first album with
the kind of music they did... (Dunno why, but Oasis came to mind now -
heheheh) But back then, it was pretty innovative and fresh...
Now, congratulations to Dave for his list, great job... But I must
say, having seen Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, I also thought PJ's
Ten would be in the list, 'cause IMO it's much better than
Badmotorfinger or Dirt... And as Brian, I would've put The Southern
Harmony and Musical Companion (Black Crowes) in the list, great
blues/rock album... Still, Dave did a great job, and he compiled a
great list of records...
Later,
Adriano
"A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain"
DREAM THEATER
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:31:04 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New Dream Theater CD single: "Through Her Eyes"
Message-ID: <2d.4aab1b.25bb3548@aol.com>
Hey gang -
I get the Jam in digest mode, so if this has already been posted and I
haven't received it yet, I apologize. I just found this on the UACM site:
Added on 01-21-2000
Here is a note from Mike Portnoy:
Currently in production for commercial release in Europe and Japan very soon
is a new Dream Theater CD Single featuring "Through Her Eyes"
The track listing is set to be:
1. Through Her Eyes (Radio Edit)
2. Through Her Eyes (Alternate Album Mix)
3. Home (Live)
4. When Images and Words Unite (Live medley)
It is possible that the japanese version will also contain the radio edit for
Home...
The 2 live tracks were recorded this past November in Brussels, Belgium....
Details of the exact release date as well as the specific countries that it
will be available in are to come.....
MP
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:47:56 +0100
From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: When Images And Words Unite
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000122174756.007a7470@pop.gmx.net>
Can someone post the list of songs included in this medley?
Totikus
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:46:32 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM / PF
Message-ID: <3889DEE8.ACCA5863@mol.com.mk>
I have a friend who is REALLY not into music. The only band he ever
liked a little was Pink Floyd. He has few albums by them. Dark Side ..
might be album he knows best of them, but otherwise he is really not a
dude to discuss music with.
He was in my home while I had the borrowed SFAM CD from a friend. So I
played it for him. At first he thought I took some meditation/yoga kinda
CD lessons, judging from the SFAM intro "Close your eyes, relax, bla,
bla .."! :) Funny.
He knows I'm a crazy DT fan, actually it was on his computer that I
first experienced Internet and bothered him by searching for DT sites.
:)
Anyway, he asked: "What is this stuff?"
"You guess" I said.
He didn't have a clue. After the music/LaBrie starts I said: "What does
THIS part sound like to you?"
A microsecond after I finished my question he replied "Pink Floyd!" :)
How about that, PF whiners? :)
As soon as I hear that organ sound in the back, acoustic guitar and calm
singing voice I have only one association - THE WALL!
Also The Spirit Carries On intro reminds of The Wall. LaBrie really
sounds like Roger Waters there on the beginning.
BTW, anyone else noticed the U2 part of SFAM? ;) Get outta here, it's
TOO obvious, just listen to Labrie end part of Through Her Eyes. Pure
Bono Vox kinda singing.
And finally, the intro part (after the psycho speech) of Finally Free,
the mood of it (maybe not the music itself) really reminds me of
Mozart's Requiem. It's so creepy. :) Any comment?
Seriously ... not tryin' to prove DT ripped off few bands, just that
the similarity is there, huge similarity.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:55:08 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: A Couple Of Things...
Message-ID: <b2.8330d6.25bb3aec@aol.com>
Hey -
Well, after reading Mr. Thomas's wonderful Top 90 list, I'm very interested
in hearing a few of the bands he mentioned. Specifically, I'm looking for
MP3's of the following bands:
Conception
Threshhold
Vanden Plas
Of the 3, I've heard a little bit of VP, but I'd like to hear more. So far,
I found the official website of Conception, but there are no sound clips at
all, much less MP3's. If anyone can point me to a website where I can check
these bands out, I'd appreciate it.
And in other news... does anyone know a ballpark timeframe as to when the US
fan club members will be receiving their XMas CD's? The last I heard on the
UACM, we were supposed to be receiving it mid January. But then I saw that
fan clubs in other countries were going to have to wait until maybe mid
February. Does anyone know what the current status of the US fan club CD's
is?
Thanks!!
- Matt T.
NP: Meliah Rage "Live Kill"
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 09:56:31 -0700 (MST)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Musician Comparison
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000122093247.4424B-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
> From: MOSSMAN BENJAMIN ERRAMOUSPE <Benjamin.Mossman@Colorado.EDU>
> difference? neil's a master on a level that i don't think bonham could
> have been...bring on the flames.
>
This was going to be yet another post in this long silly string of
comparative bands that I was going to let slide, and then two things
struck me about it:
1--Ben here looks to be at the very same university that I'm at
2--It speaks not to comparison among bands, but rather among musicians
I only bring this up because it's something I've found puzzling for a long
time. On the one hand, it seems fair and largely indisputable to make
certain comparative claims between musicians. I can look at what someone
like, say, Jason Newsted has done, and then look at what someone like Jeff
Berlin has done, and it seems pretty clear and indisputable that Berlin is
the more capable, accomplished bassist.
Other comparisons are more difficult. I can try and compare Berlin to
say, Stanley Clarke, but they're both in such rarified air among bassists,
that if anything, the outcome might seem to reduce to opinion. Yet
presumably, when we're making these comparisons, the claim is that, yes,
*objectively*, John Petrucci is clearly the better guitarist than Courtney
Love.
What that seems to boil down to is that we can roughly place certain
musicians on a plateau, and of that upper echelon, comparison seems
fruitless. So guys like Berlin, Clarke, Jaco, Manring, Wooten, etc., are
all so accomplished in their mastery of the bass that comparison among
them can *only* reduce to subjectivity.
Looking at that, though, it doesn't seem to be a satisfying answer to this
question of comparison. Because then the question becomes, how does one
gain inclusion to this level? And how many levels are there? Certainly
guys like Berlin and Manring seem to stand out over, say Myung, but Myung
is on a pretty high rung himself, standing out over X, who seems to stand
out over Y, until you get to the bottom of all the rungs, where we find
Kip Winger. =)
This question has been in my mind for awhile, and it comes up again now
between Bonham and Peart, two drummers who are held in high esteem. One
obvious answer is that it only reduces to subjectivity, but like I said,
that's unsatisfying because we want to be able to say that Petrucci is
clearly better than Love, objectively. However, we also want to be able
to say that, I dunno, stand Holdsworth up next to Vai, and there is room
for genuine disagreement.
So, where do we draw the line between objective and subjective judgments
concerning musicians?
--matt tedesco
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:48:47 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFAM / PF
Message-ID: <3889FB8F.529B539A@wezl.org>
Actually the similarities help DT on this album quite a bit...commercially
speaking. I know everytime I play the CD in my store, someone asks about it,
and usually ends up buying it...mainly because it sounds similar to
Floyd...but different enough to not piss PF purists off. Just my $.02
CyberDuke wrote:
> I have a friend who is REALLY not into music. The only band he ever
> liked a little was Pink Floyd. He has few albums by them. Dark Side ..
> might be album he knows best of them, but otherwise he is really not a
> dude to discuss music with.
> He was in my home while I had the borrowed SFAM CD from a friend. So I
> played it for him. At first he thought I took some meditation/yoga kinda
> CD lessons, judging from the SFAM intro "Close your eyes, relax, bla,
> bla .."! :) Funny.
> He knows I'm a crazy DT fan, actually it was on his computer that I
> first experienced Internet and bothered him by searching for DT sites.
> :)
>
> Anyway, he asked: "What is this stuff?"
> "You guess" I said.
> He didn't have a clue. After the music/LaBrie starts I said: "What does
> THIS part sound like to you?"
> A microsecond after I finished my question he replied "Pink Floyd!" :)
>
> How about that, PF whiners? :)
>
> As soon as I hear that organ sound in the back, acoustic guitar and calm
> singing voice I have only one association - THE WALL!
>
> Also The Spirit Carries On intro reminds of The Wall. LaBrie really
> sounds like Roger Waters there on the beginning.
>
> BTW, anyone else noticed the U2 part of SFAM? ;) Get outta here, it's
> TOO obvious, just listen to Labrie end part of Through Her Eyes. Pure
> Bono Vox kinda singing.
>
> And finally, the intro part (after the psycho speech) of Finally Free,
> the mood of it (maybe not the music itself) really reminds me of
> Mozart's Requiem. It's so creepy. :) Any comment?
>
> Seriously ... not tryin' to prove DT ripped off few bands, just that
> the similarity is there, huge similarity.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:57:53 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Chris Ingles (Shadow Gallery)
Message-ID: <3889FDB1.AD2CB9F7@wezl.org>
I was listening to "Tyranny" by Shadow Gallery last night for the first time
in a while, and I can't help but notice that Chris Ingles style is almost
identical to Kevin Moore's pre-Chromakey...the guy can do some incredible
soloing, but also comes up with really good melodies (as does Gary) without
putting to much emphasis on showmanship. Also I still don't get how DT fans
who are all into I&W...don't like Shadow Gallery...if you pretend Mike Baker
isn't there (it's hard, but it can be done) they are probably the closest
thing to DT as you can get. Anyone who loves the Kevin Moore era of DT should
definetly check out "Tyranny"
(now exiting rant mode)
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:36:32 +0200
From: "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: When Images And Words Unite
Message-ID: <002b01bf650f$fddb8480$8ee626d4@masiina>
----- Original Message -----
]From: "Totikus" <totikus@gmx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 6:57 PM
Subject: When Images And Words Unite
>
> Can someone post the list of songs included in this medley?
> Totikus
>
I think these are the songs:
Pull Me Under / Under A Glass Moon / A Fortune In Lies / Only A Matter Of
Time / Take The Time
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:44:44 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: early prog metal?
Message-ID: <20000122214444.1465.qmail@hotmail.com>
Go straight to your room and start listenin' to Rush, boy!
-Banjoman
Some guy wrote:I would have to say Iron Maiden. They are the early form of
progressive metal
np: Disco Biscuits - Run Like Hell mp3
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:32:05 -0800
From: "Steven Zinck" <zincks@ohsu.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT tour plans later this year
Message-ID: <s889bf79.042@gwsmtp.ohsu.edu>
Hey, does anyone know if DT is going to be touring the US again later in =
the year?
Zinck
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:15:29 EST
From: "Matthew McDaniel" <cfiatp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: various threads
Message-ID: <20000122231529.47114.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yes, I realize I'm REALLY late getting into these threads, but hey, what the
hell........
Emotional songs: I was surprised that no one mentioned "Bridge" from
Queensryche's "Promised Land" album. Now that is an emotional song. Maybe
someone did mention it and I just missed it.
Bands we all like: I really think I should avoid this thread altogether.
Oh, one suggestion can't hurt can it? Platypus anyone?
~just another Matt
N.P. DT: Stained Glass: Live in Rotterdam
I still says Ryan's boots are the best ever........even if he has apparently
vanished from Mother Earth.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:56:15 -0600
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Xmas CD
Message-ID: <001701bf653c$a801da00$bc5099d1@default>
A couple of weeks ago, someone posted and said the CD's were being shipped
as he/she wrote. Has anyone gotten it yet?
Also, HEY MIKE PORTNOY, I see St.Louis has been added to the tour. How about
Kansas City too???????
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete
www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:58:11 -0800
From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MEETING PLACE FOR JAMMERS AT SANTA ANA SHOW
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000122165444.00962100@sc.llu.edu>
Hi all,
I went down to the Santa Ana area today and scoped the area out. I left
all the info on http://www.ivorygate.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000004.html
Check it out if you're interested in meeting up with us. So far I've got 2
(Mike Kizer "Fugazi" and "Bone Tones") that are going to meet up it looks
like...whoever is going to the show is welcome!!
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If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and
there is no woman around to hear him ... is he still wrong?
Wesley Foll, Geology B.S., Loma Linda University
follwes@sc.llu.edu
wfoll00g@ns.llu.edu
beavis@ytseradio.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:11:16 -0500
From: "Peter M. Munoz" <pmm23@cornell.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: symphony x doesn't look like this!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000122211116.006bb818@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>
ok, i think there's a temporary mistake, but i hope it's around long enough
to prove that I'm not on crack. if you get a chance, check out the cd info
page for Symphony X's "Divine Wings of Tragedy" on www.allmusic.com . The
link is as follows:=20
http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=3D9:00:49|PM&p=3Damg&sql=3DA388590=20
It's showing an interesting new cd cover... good thing this isn't how my
import looks
-Peter
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Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853-2401
(607)253-1410
pmm23@cornell.edu
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:20:48 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Bands That We ALL Like
Message-ID: <76.127096a.25bbbf80@aol.com>
Never heard anyone say anything bad about Symphony X. But not a lot of people
have heard Symphony X.
Someone mentioned Satriani...yuck yuck yuck. Don't like him, never have,
never will.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 22:39:16 -0500
From: "Michael Gray" <mg@planetsarcasm.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: symphony x doesn't look like this!!!
Message-ID: <002501bf6553$6d269800$18245c18@nycap.rr.com>
Bonnie Tyler is an incredible guitar virtuoso and songwriter!!! hehehehe
MIKE - PLANET SARCASM
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:47:35 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The Beatles
Message-ID: <91.12cdedc.25bbeff7@aol.com>
>You bet wrong. I H A T E the Beatles. Nothing innovative.
>Steve Z
Nothing innovative?! I'm not huge into the Beatles or anything and could care
less if people don't like them, but to say that there is nothing innovative
about them is the most unknowledgeable thing I may have EVER heard anyone
say. No offense! It's like saying that 1+1=4. They progressed (yes, the word
I use here is progressed!) more from their first recording to their last that
anyone ever has. It's quite amazing the amount of progression that the band
made. To go from "She Loves You Yeah Yeah" type stuff to the Sergeant Pepper
stuff is an amazing progression. Not to mention the many innovations that
they were rsponsible for in the recording process itself. Music would not be
where it is today if not for the Beatles. I can GUARANTEE you there would be
no Dream Theater as we know it.
-Mike C.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:48:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: CD Burning Problems
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001230047330.29374-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I've never come across this problem before, but I thought somebody might
know what it could be. I was burning a CD from MP3s (very high-quality
ones, too, but that shouldn't matter), at Disc-at-Once mode, and when I
tried playing the CD, all I got was digital silence. :(
Does anybody know what this problem could be?
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http://cout.dhs.org/
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