YTSEJAM Digest 5276
Today's Topics:
1) Our Survey Says ...
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
2) Killing My Young Willy and other stories...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) only 40 of Dave's top 90...
by MusicSnob@aol.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5274
by "Graham Boyle" <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
5) Boston DT Feb.27
by "Alex Jordan" <jordan@fas.harvard.edu>
6) Re: Win MP's LTE Setup!!!/ Jammer bands and music
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
7) Re: Andrew likes these little grammar wars. :)
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
8) Re: Bands we all like
by Fett2002@aol.com
9) Bay City Rollers
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
10) Dave's Sacred List :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
11) LTE Sucks ?
by "Graham Boyle" <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5273
by Linus Akesson <lft@linusworld.cjb.net>
13) Re: LTE Sucks ?
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5274
by MOSSMAN BENJAMIN ERRAMOUSPE <Benjamin.Mossman@Colorado.EDU>
15) Re: On Venues
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
16) Re: LTE Sucks ? (fwd)
by "Graham Boyle" <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5274
by Mtnbk71@aol.com
18) speaking of drums...
by Paul Fini <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu>
19) Pain of Salvation
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5275
by Dustro2@aol.com
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5275
by Dustro2@aol.com
22) mp3 sites
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
23) Re: speaking of drums...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
24) In Spite by Nate and Korg.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
25) ST LOUIS ADDED
by Portnoy420@aol.com
26) re: 90 best CDs of the 90s!
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
27) Re: Beatles.
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
28) Re: Beatles.
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:25:53 EST
From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Our Survey Says ...
Message-ID: <15.842fb9.25ba1ad1@aol.com>
And he says there are others on this list who have too much time on their
hands?
8-)
>DING DING DING! Korg wins 5 billion dollars, grabs Richard Dawson and
>gropes him like a fat woman on the Price is Right gropes Bob Barker as Ray
>Combs continues dangles from his noose in the rafters.
>--
>KorgX3 is always right.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:06:50 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Killing My Young Willy and other stories...
Message-ID: <001601bf6453$90d981a0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>You really shouldn't imagine things like that even in jest - you never
hink how awful you would feel if anything like that really ever happened
>our JP! Or did you mean JM?
Yeah, who's going to notice if JM gets killed? You never can hear him in
the mix anyway (except for FII). Doh! *duck dodgers* Perhaps I'll no
longer kill John P. off in my dream sequence, but just leave him mortally
wounded and brain dead. Then, after my stellar performance, they will graft
his undamaged arms to my torso allowing me to shove Jordan out of the band,
playing guitars and keys at once, while at the same time leaving Mike in a
complete state of envy. :) (Mike shouldn't bitch though. He's got that
'mysterious' third arm). Imagine the thrill of four arms. You could please
two women, yourself, and still have a free hand for that cigarette. Now
>that's< multi-tasking. :) Bill Gates would be proud.
On a totally different subject, I just got a new CD today featuring Andreas'
four lesbian sisters. :) Not too shabby. Someone had posted a link on Mike
P.'s forum so I bought it on impulse. They sound like Alice in Chains
(Facelift era) with breast implants. Quite enjoyable. And so is the music.
-- KorgX3 smells like he just ate Taco Bell again. NP: Drain STH - Freaks of Nature (that's the new CD, btw)------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:01:37 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: only 40 of Dave's top 90... Message-ID: <a1.f6024f.25ba2331@aol.com>
How could it be? I bet Mr. Spicy Chicken sandwich is happy people are finally flocking to his web site ;-)
NP: Extreme - Waiting for the Punchline
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:51:25 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5274 Message-ID: <000301bf6452$0838cfa0$590254d2@amd-k6-2-300>
>From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu> >Over my winter recess I purchased Pain of Salvation OHbtCL and am seriously >impressed....thanks for the tip a month or so ago from everyone on the list. >Another cd I bought on a whim is Ice Age, the Great Divide, another great >cd. Does anyone else like this disc?
Yeah Ice Age are great, perhaps more surprisingas they are on the kiss of death Magna Carta label. Whenever I hear them I can only think of one band, STYX :)
>From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <savaytse66@psu.edu> >Subject: Re: Nightwish Oceanborn
>Does anyone know where we can download these rarities?
Well not from me, at this stage anyway, how about trying to look for these titles ? ie support the band, buy the CD, mp3's are the final option :)
>From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> >Subject: Bands everyone likes
>THERE IS NO BAND THAT EVERYONE on this likes. I am SURE there are even NON >DT fans on this list. This is an exercise in futility! Can't we get back >to something exciting, like "my first DT experience" or "the best DT >compilation" or "my review of the show" or something else that I can ignore >without having a spaz?
Agreed 100% can we please drop this pointless and meaningless thread ? NO one here or anywhere can speak for everyone. I'd even settle for another Al Vs Pat 'where are my tapes' war/thread :) Where's Mike Bahr when you need a whipping boy ? In jail I hope, where he belongs. Speaking of which, Damon, where are my goddamned tapes :) ?
>From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> >Subject: "Only A Matter Of Time"?
>Is it just my imagination, or did DT do a song called "Only A Matter Of >Time"? I'm sure I've seen it mentioned here, but it's not in the FAQ as a >Majesty Demo. Is it there's, and if so, where's it from? >Oh yeah, and was WAYN an FII demo?
Is it just my imagination or are you another hotmail degenerate trying to wind this list up :) ?
gaz
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:08:33 -0500 From: "Alex Jordan" <jordan@fas.harvard.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Boston DT Feb.27 Message-ID: <001301bf6453$acf40680$9243f78c@student.harvard.edu>
I've been off the Jam for a month, so sorry if anyone has already asked this. It looks like DT will be playing the Roxy on Feb. 27th, but when I called the Roxy's number, the automated message did not include DT in the list of upcoming events. Does anyone know what is the best way to obtain Roxy tickets? Should I go to the box office? Is this show confirmed? Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:12:22 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Win MP's LTE Setup!!!/ Jammer bands and music Message-ID: <20000121.131222.267.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
Yep, you are correct sir!!! i made a mistake... I read the add again and saw that it was all new TAMA gear. not too shabby though. Yeah I thought that MP used DW peds so i just figured they would put them in the bunch also... no such luck I guess.
As far as korgys post on the things we all like, I have to agree. it's pointless for us to keep up this thread... let's do the jammers music thing!!!
So Skadz, are you gonna create a site for ytsejam music? if so let us know and we can send you links or such...
later ytsejon
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:26:16 -0800 (PST) Joel Timmins <timmins@dca.net> writes: > > A small point, but I don't think any DW gear is included with this. > AFAIK, > the only DW product Mike uses is bass drum pedals, and this giveaway > > includes a Tama Iron Cobra bass drum pedal. Still a good deal, > though. ;) > > Joel > > >obviously but it is a brand new Tama Starclassic kit with all the > cymbals > >and all his new Max cymbals and stuff...and all the DW gear... WOW! >
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:16:37 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Andrew likes these little grammar wars. :) Message-ID: <20000121.131637.267.1.willeyatc@juno.com>
YOU-VIEW-LA
there's my attempt at phonics for today!
YtseJon is hooked on it...
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:40:37 -0800 (PST) DTGirl2612@aol.com writes: > > Perhaps Korg was right in American speak .... > But not in REAL English :-p > > Try it this way - an oovula > > > >Korg was right, because the word "uvula" starts with a glide > ("YOOVyula" > >is how it's pronounced). In this case, the "why" sound isn't > considered a > >vowel and thus you would NOT say "an uvula" but rather "a uvula." >
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:25:34 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bands we all like Message-ID: <e1.636526.25ba28ce@aol.com>
>Zep or Metallica would have been my guess, along with other metal >greats like Trixter.
>Grp
Trixter?! TRIXTER??!!!!! I pray to god that you are joking, man. PLEASE tell me taht you are joking. For the love of all that is good and righteous in this world, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you are joking here. -Mike C. P.S. I'm getting tired of this whole thing too.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:17:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Bay City Rollers Message-ID: <49840978c1graham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
> The Bay City Rollers. No question about it.
I saw them (reformed!) playing live on Hogmanay(*). Thankfully, I was too drunk to remember the experience.
* - New Year's Eve, to the non-Scots amongst us.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 100 13:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dave's Sacred List :) Message-ID: <200001212141.AA21559@crl.crl.com>
Dave did a great job on it and you can clearly tell how much thought and time he put into it. I'd heard Conception once before but didn't care for it, but upon seeing FLOW listed at #1, I gave it a try....and it's one of the best CDs I bought in 1999. :)
I was especially pleased to see such choices as Devin Townsend's Ocean Machine and my friends' band Godhead listed -- not overtly prog as someone observed, but still great CDs. (Ocean Machine is one of my surprise all-time ever faves. :))
--- Atl DT show
Just 39 days left until DT plays Atlanta -- if you're coming to the show here, please check http://www.crl.com/dt-atl2k.html .....and "check in" with me if I've forgotten to list you. :)
-- + Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ #4151223+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 09:15:02 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: LTE Sucks ? Message-ID: <002c01bf645c$fb42efa0$590254d2@amd-k6-2-300>
>From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> >Subject: Re: Band all of us do really like!
>I refuse to contribute to this stupid thread, so I'm not going to say that >LTE is boring crap.
>You didn't hear it here first.
Well coming from a guy who wants so bad to be Willie Nelson's long lost love child, your credibility is somewhat dubious :)
gaz
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:58:48 +0100 (CET) From: Linus Akesson <lft@linusworld.cjb.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5273 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000121235431.1772A-100000@localhost>
In accordance with the prophecy, Korg Ecksthrey uttered:
> Subject: Re: Re Band that every one likes
> "Dream Theater, you doufusses!" Korg answers. > "The survey says!" > DING DING DING! Korg wins 5 billion dollars, grabs Richard Dawson and > gropes him like a fat woman on the Price is Right gropes Bob Barker as Ray > Combs continues dangles from his noose in the rafters.
Well... "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer". So if DT has any enemies, they are probably here too. =)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:39:35 -0600 (CST) From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: LTE Sucks ? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0001211638170.26595-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Hey, it's not my problem that you can't admit that Willie is the man. James LaBrie may have the range, but he's got no emotion on Willie Nelson, man. And Petrucci? Let's just say, speed isn't everything. It's all about feel, baby, and there's nothing I like feeling better than old wrinkly rednecks.
-Brian
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Graham Boyle wrote:
> > >From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> > >Subject: Re: Band all of us do really like! > > >I refuse to contribute to this stupid thread, so I'm not going to say that > >LTE is boring crap. > > >You didn't hear it here first. > > Well coming from a guy who wants so bad to be Willie Nelson's > long lost love child, your credibility is somewhat dubious :) > > gaz > > >
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:50:42 -0700 (MST) From: MOSSMAN BENJAMIN ERRAMOUSPE <Benjamin.Mossman@Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5274 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000121154916.24884A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
>anyone who claims to like early rush is either a zep fan or deceiving themselves...
i love early rush, as well as all rush...not a big zep fan. the difference? neil's a master on a level that i don't think bonham could have been...bring on the flames.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:01:02 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: On Venues Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000121175128.00a25480@cs.millersv.edu>
>AFAIK, it's still open and they still have the >main stage area for bands and separate dance floor/rave area.
Ah, that synchs up with what I heard. Thanks.
>does anyone know anything about the Recher Theatre for the Baltimore >show?
It was just redone and, according to my neohippie ex-roommate, who saw many a jamband there, is an outstanding venue, both in atmosphere and sound. They tacked the "Theatre" on the end to make it seem more posh, a concept which, I might add, works with damn near everything.
Brian Theatre
[NP...Buckethead -- Monsters and Robots] ================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. E-mail: wbhender@cs.millersv.edu WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com Automaton Hit Parade (progrock radio): http://www.millersv.edu/~wixq/Automaton ==================================
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 09:55:09 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "Brian D Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> Cc: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: LTE Sucks ? (fwd) Message-ID: <003c01bf6462$920d9700$590254d2@amd-k6-2-300>
>From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
>Hey, it's not my problem that you can't admit that Willie is the >man. James LaBrie may have the range, but he's got no emotion on Willie >Nelson, man. And Petrucci? Let's just say, speed isn't everything. It's >all about feel, baby, and there's nothing I like feeling better than old >wrinkly rednecks.
Hmm me thinks that you have got a whiff on one of Willie's flannel shirts that he changes once a year. Either that, or when Wille last got plastic surgery, you got in on the 2 for 1 deal and had your brian, urgh, brain removed by mistake =FE
gaz
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:26:48 EST From: Mtnbk71@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5274 Message-ID: <dd.6667a6.25ba4538@aol.com>
I would have to say Iron Maiden. They are the early form of progressive metal
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:49:47 -0800 From: Paul Fini <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: speaking of drums... Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000121154653.009b8630@127.0.0.1>
With all the talk of drum setups (particularly Bozzio's), something else came to mind: does anyone on the 'jam have experience with Roland V-drums? I've got a TD-5 - based system right now, and I'm considering adding a V-drum or two (which are supposedly backwards compatible with my set). Any positive or negative criticism would be appreciated. E-mail me directly at the address below.
Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:53:36 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <3888F180.9F8F5542@home.com>
Stephen LaMonica said: > Over my winter recess I purchased Pain of Salvation OHbtCL and am seriously > impressed....thanks for the tip a month or so ago from everyone on the list.
OK soldier..... now go out and buy "Entropia" too, on the double! :)
- Joe D.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:16:22 EST From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5275 Message-ID: <c7.1165d12.25ba5ee6@aol.com>
Im down with Rush!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:18:19 EST From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5275 Message-ID: <10.408dd7.25ba5f5b@aol.com>
Anyone want to trade Boots, Ive got a great SFaM Boot! and tones others of corse... anyone intrested? E-mail me...laterzz dustro
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:28:59 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: mp3 sites Message-ID: <E68FA907A20D3D1108E4000A9C4B45B0@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Hey Partha, I remember you asked the jam for a few mp3 sites a while ago... I was wondering if u could send me some, please?
Sorry for sending this through the jam people...
Later, Adriano
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:45:50 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: speaking of drums... Message-ID: <002601bf648b$43733a40$530d84d0@default>
> With all the talk of drum setups (particularly Bozzio's), something else > to mind: does anyone on the 'jam have experience with Roland V-drums?
Ok. I'm not a drummer, but yes, I have played on a Roland kit. My friend the dummer has played on a V-drum kit. My other friend the drummer owns a V-drum kit. And my friend's little brother the drummer has played on a V-drum kit. Now...
Just from the fact that these guys swoon whenever anyone mentions V-drum must be a credit to the intrument. :) But, they do have their criticism. Basically all they really complain about is the dynamics. While the kit almost plays like a real kit, it doesn't play like a real kit. It does sense light taps and heavy hits, but basically that's it. There's no playing around the rim. You hit the pad on the edge and it makes the same sound as if you hit it in the center. That's the no. 1 and only bitch I've heard about the kit. It's like picking a guitar at the neck and picking it at the bridge and getting the same sound. Most guitarists probably wouldn't give a fuck anyway...
One thing's for certain, they sound kick ass. (Well, the samples do anyway). Aside from all else, my friends all look like they're having sex when they get behind one. Draw your own conclusions from there, and go try one out. You'll love it, it's a way of life!
***********Totally different topic forthcoming!************ -- KorgX3 NP: Wasted Angel - In Spite.mp3
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:05:43 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: In Spite by Nate and Korg. Message-ID: <002e01bf648e$32890f40$530d84d0@default>
Since Christopher Ptacek (excuse me) requested that I be the volunteer (read: guinea pig) I thought I'd bite and set the ball rolling...
Back on a wet and rainy (well, warm and dry anyway) March (or was it April) day last year (1999) my friend the drummer (Matt) brought me a tape from some local kid (Nathan) and asked what I could do with it (wipe my ass with it). Nuff sub-dialogue.
So, I spun the tape to see what this local bonerboy could do and had to listen to this horribly recorded "demo" of him playing his parent's 50 year old digital Roland thingy and him singing into a microphone strategically placed 20 feet away from the piano and him. Anyway... This kid wanted me to work with his song and see what I could do. It was a VERY basic melodic thingy consisting of only two basic parts. A bridge part and a chorus part. And it was horribly repetitious. So, I spent a day coming up with shit I could throw onto it, Korged up his original passages, and sat down with my good buddy Matt to put it all together. It ended up taking around five three hour sessions to come up with what we came up with. All of the keyboard parts are sequenced (sorry) except for the horn solo. I came up and programmed the drum lines which were edited by Matt (I was being too proggy as usual). After recording those I threw in the bassline and the guitar solos. Time was short so we never got the vocals or the intermediate guitar tracks laid down. Since Nate wanted to have it done for his Senior Prom we just had to give him what we had so he sang the vocals at his prom and we abandoned the project on after.
So... This is basically a short instrumental demo that was partially written by myself and some kid named Nate that I only met like once or twice. heheheh. Basically everything was programmed, arranged, sequenced, played, and produced by yours truly (with a little help from Matt, of course, credit due) :)
http://www.safelink.net/washburn/InSpite.mp3 (4.9MB)
Gimme some input on this if you will. It's almost as much my own song as it is Nate's anymore. I put alot of work into it and everything you hear is signature me. :) Razz the wussiness and my sloppy playing all you want. I know I kind of suck. :) Just keep in mind that it was written and intended to be played at a smalltown Senior Prom. -- KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:39:50 EST From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ST LOUIS ADDED Message-ID: <c7.1163332.25ba8e96@aol.com>
the following date was just added to the Dream Theater/Dixie Dregs tour:
Monday February 14, 2000 Mississippi Nights St. Louis, MO
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: 90 best CDs of the 90s! Message-ID: <20000122045247.22208.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com>
glyde@conk.com (Dave Peterson) wrote:
> After doing some surfing (which I hadn't done in awhile - DAMN this > Internet is big!) I ran across www.pixelplanet.com which features a guy by the > name of Dave who has compiled his 90 favorite CDs of the 90s!
There's that Dave guy from Wendy's again! Man, that Cheddar bacon burger that's in heavy rotation looks damn good!
Anyway, thought I'd throw a couple of comments in on this topic of best of the 90's...
First of all, Dave's list is definitely a list to check out for prog metal fans. Dave has prefaced the whole list with the disclaimer that these are the discs he has bought, so no one should be shocked if their favorite rap album didn't make the list. Dave may like rap, but he didn't put any on the list. (How do you sort all those discs? A manual bubble-sort?)
My comments:
Mark Bonilla - Is that obscure or what? I know I saw him live, but I have no idea when or where.
Soundgarden - Sell out or apex? I've been a Soundgarden fan since the "Full On..." stage, but I have to say that Superunknown was the top of their form. It was so good that it was overplayed, and resulted in oversaturation, but it still may be my favorite. Call me crazy, but I like well-crafted pop. Can't say anything bad about the Badmotorfinger selection though.
Grunge - Pearl Jam/10 - It's not on the list, but since you strayed a little into the grunge area, I gotta say that this is in my top 10 of the 90's. It spawned a whole style. It suffered from the same oversaturation as Superunknown, but I can't hold that against it. All PJ after that was a big step down. I blame Eddie. They wrote all the music on 10 before Eddie joined. They should have done the same with the rest of their recordings.
More grunge - I'd put Alice in Chains/Dirt in the top ten (maybe #3?). I would also include Facelift in there somewhere.
Can't agree more with including all of Symphony-X. I would put TDWoT at # 2.
Tool - Gotta have 'em. Dave did.
White Zombie - I would have to rate "La Sexorcisto" as the definitive Zombie disc. Just a preference I guess.
DT/Awake - You suck! Why isn't this number 1! ;o)
Additions - If you go into other styles of music, you'd have to have a longer list. Here's some that didn't make Dave's list:
The Black Crowes/The Southern Harmony and Musical Companion - One of the best albums ever recorded. It's in the blues/rock style, kinda of an updated Rolling Stones style.
The Counting Crowes/August and... - Another disc that started a style. There would not have been a Matchbox 20 or Wallflowers without this disc. The more clones you have, the better you must have been...
Snoop Doggy Dog/Doggystyle - OK, most of the people here probably don't like one of the major styles of the decade, but this was the best.
Korn - Let's combine Metallica with rap, and this was a major force. Love it or hate it, they were a big player in the 90's. Anthrax saw the future and tried to mix rap and metal, but they were too far ahead of the times. Korn was the fruition of the style. Let the clones follow the leader.
Fear Factory - I would have to include Obsolete. Hell, it's even a concept album.
my $.02, BH
p.s. Thanks to Dave for the list...
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:41:14 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Beatles. Message-ID: <000c01bf64a3$af369520$0200010a@steve>
> I never saw what the big deal about Zep was. I just don't hear what I'm > supposed to hear. I'll bet everybody likes the Beatles, though. I can't see > anyone not liking the Beatles. I can see why people don't like DT, or Flatt
You bet wrong. I H A T E the Beatles. Nothing innovative. Nothing spectacular. Nothing moving. Major boring shit. Piss-poor singers and instrumentalists. One of the worst things to ever happen to music, IMO. They've just a little more integrity than one of today's "boy bands."
> KorgX3 also thinks the Beatles sucked. Never liked 'em.
Thank God! Someone with some sense...
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beatles. Message-ID: <20000122081505.24993.qmail@web505.mail.yahoo.com>
> You bet wrong. I H A T E the Beatles. Nothing > innovative. Nothing > spectacular. Nothing moving. Major boring shit. > Piss-poor singers and > instrumentalists. One of the worst things to ever > happen to music, IMO. > They've just a little more integrity than one of > today's "boy bands."
Yikes, talk about harsh. Anywho, I've kinda changed my position on the Beatles-- I maintain that Ringo is a shitty vocalist, drummer and songwriter, but there are quite a few Beatles songs that I enjoy. The early stuff kinda leaves me cold. I dig some stuff on Revolver, but for some reason I love the shit out of the White Album (which is basically a solo-showcase for the individual members; but anyway). But I can see how, given the alternative, someone might prefer DT to the Beatles since it's no question about which band is more musically complex (and being that this is a DT mailing list, I don't feel the slighest pressure to qualify that statement).
I don't think the Beatles are the best thing since sliced bread (few things can compete with sliced bread, IMHO), but to compare them to BSB or 'N Sync seems a little... I dunno, harsh. Ouch.
===== *Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue. People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes. There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them. So I try to forget them anyway I can." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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