YTSEJAM Digest 5270
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Girl moaning in 'Home'
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
2) Dream Theater and its Indy Fans
by "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@qserve.net>
3) Re: german lesson part III
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
4) Re: Re: DT in Philly
by Angelo Lombardi <Angelo13@home.com>
5) Re: Indianapolis
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
6) RE:Yes + DT.. The ultimate bill
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
7) forum
by "Christian vd Berge" <paaltje@hotmail.com>
8) Atlanta DT gig and get-together
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
9) A NOTE ON THE TILES WEBSITE SAYS....
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
10) No shows in Indy? So what?
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
11) Fates Warning?
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
12) Re: Fates Warning?
by "Michael Gray" <mg@planetsarcasm.com>
13) Re: No shows in Indy? So what?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Soundscan figuers for SFAM :-(
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
15) Rides to shows/Cleveland
by Benjamin James Gateno <bg003i@mail.rochester.edu>
16) Re: Soundscan figuers for SFAM :-(
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
17) Re: Chicago show
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
18) Tour Dates
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
19) RE: Chicago show
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <pendragn@netins.net>
20) Angra Acoustic Set?
by Zack1183@aol.com
21) Tuesday night is coming
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
22) Tuesday night is coming
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
23) Dominici Breaks His Silence on the Sherinian-DT split
by ChromaPX@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:52:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Girl moaning in 'Home'
Message-ID: <20000117055257.15730.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com>
>From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>>
>Subject: Girl moaning in 'Home'
>
>Do you know who is that woman who moans in the middle
>of 'Home'?
>
>Martin
Yeah, that's a sample of Tori Amos that Kevin Moore
had on his keyboard. Mike got a hold of it and made a
copy. It's Mike's prized collectable in his 'Wall of
Media'.
;)
tb
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:55:40 -0500
From: "Mark C. Healey" <mchealey@qserve.net>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Dream Theater and its Indy Fans
Message-ID: <01BF608E.01FC55C0.mchealey@qserve.net>
Its a shame that DT dosen't OR won't come to Indy over a situation that
happened years ago. Mike did a clinic here
on July 28th,1998 and was well received. The auditorium was packed to the
rafters. There are alot of people who are kids who
would like to see DT but can't because the show's too far away and on a
school night. So the parents can not drive to Chicago
or Ohio or Kentucky for these reasons and others. I know a few parents
would let their children go to a concert providing they
got up in time for school and driving from over 120 miles from a show to
home just doesn't make it.
I've met and talked to kids who like DT but CAN'T get to the shows because
of: 1) they're too young to drive, 2) can't stay
up that late, 3) even if its a weekend parents don't want to drive 2 or 3
hours a to concert, have a great time, and THEN worry
about driving everybody home safely. Come on, I believe DT is able to sell
8 to 10 thousand tickets here in Indy with a strong opening act , or DT as
an opening act, either way why let a stupid act of the management's
part(the club manager) taint the
relationship between DT and its fans. I've heard claims that the fans of
Dream Theater are the MOST loyal of ALL fan clubs. If it
wasn't true do you think DT would be where they are today????
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:28:14 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: german lesson part III
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001171126160.17634-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, kafkaesk wrote:
<'ch' in German etc...>
And then there's still the 'g' in Dutch, somewhat like a soft version of
the 'ch' in 'Ich'. To my knowledge, no English-, French-, or
German-speaking person has ever been able to get it right.:-)
Cheers
Zaphod
|Peter Geerts ICQ:13122363 (weekend) "...And for an encore, Man |
|zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be proved that black is white |
|zaphod@dreamtheater.zzn.com and got himself killed on |
|Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."|
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:13:57 -0800
From: Angelo Lombardi <Angelo13@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re: DT in Philly
Message-ID: <388331B5.E5612F18@home.com>
I wrote...
<< Anyone going to this one? I'm there... but WHY the Electric Factory??? The
place is a shithole!!! >>
Then Mike C. wrote...
< I saw them there in December of 98 and it was great. I don't think its a bad
place. And the seating (standing) capacity it about right for them. They cant
fill up any place bigger really. I an't wait though! DT back in Philly! >
Now I'm responding back...
Well how about the Tower Theater? The place IS made for music. Also there ARE seats for people to sit. It holds about the same amount of people as the Electric Factory.
The Electric Factory has HORRIBLE acoustics for ANY kind of music (including DT). Also the place NEEDS to be vented better... It's a sweat box no matter what time of year it is. Smoke filled with NO exhaust (AT
ALL).
The Tower Theater is quite a bit farther from me, but I'm willing to drive farther to go to a better place.
My wife suggests the Academy Of Music... THAT WOULD BE GREAT!!!
Angelo
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:46:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Indianapolis
Message-ID: <20000117134625.5024.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
Newsflash: Why (most) metal bands don't play Indy -
NO RADIO SUPPORT. The one (and only) time DT played
here, X103 was a metal station and 'Pull Me Under' was
getting heavy rotation. The last time I heard a DT
song played on local radio was 'Home' on Carmel's HIGH
SCHOOL STATION.
Yes, and I'm sure the non-air-conditioned fiasco back
then (I personally came home from the show five pounds
lighter than when I went) still rankles. Just ask
Portnoy.
Oh, BTW, speaking of the state of radio in Indy, some
decent alternative can now be found at 107.1 for
anyone interested.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:14:19 -0000
From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Cc: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE:Yes + DT.. The ultimate bill
Message-ID: <001b01bf60f6$60cc8260$8619883e@default>
While I have to agree that I would love to see DT and Yes together add in
ELP and King Crimson too.!! That bill would kick ass. Funnily enought I do
not think of DT as metal, I think of them as prog with more contempoary
sounds!
As a "Yes purist" I have given into the fact that they ALWAYS play this tune
live it's as sure as them finishing with roundabout+starship troopers. But
I have to admit 90125 is not my fav Yes album.
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Tristam Douglas
tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:36:45 PST
From: "Christian vd Berge" <paaltje@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: forum
Message-ID: <20000117153645.54926.qmail@hotmail.com>
I started a Dream Theater forum yesterday.. It's at http://dtforum.cjb.net
I think we can make this a nice place to trade experiences..
stories..bootlegs etc etc
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 100 07:29:05 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Atlanta DT gig and get-together
Message-ID: <200001171529.AA10802@crl.crl.com>
Quick note to say that I'd be glad to organize a Ytsejammers'
gathering for the Atlanta show, much like last time. :) Also, crash
space would be available at our apartment for people if needed (up to
5 if needed; Dan M. take note. :))
More later after I'm home from ChattaCon in Chattanooga, TN......
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:55:08 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: A NOTE ON THE TILES WEBSITE SAYS.... Message-ID: <20000117165508.58570.qmail@hotmail.com>
OOPS, LEMME GET THAT CAPSLOCK BUTTON.... there, better
anyway, Tiles having just got back from the DT euro tour are apparently considering doing a limited edition style CD of tracks from those shows if there is interest in such a project.
If you're interested in something like that, drop a line to Mike Ostrich at syrinx@progscape.com (webmaster for tiles-music.com).
Partha
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:30:37 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: No shows in Indy? So what? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000117133037.007f2e60@imap.indiana.edu>
>From: Fett2002@aol.com >>Does anybody know why DT doesn't or won't come to Indianapolis?
>From: Jim <indyroadie@netzero.net> >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >Help us poor Indy jammers out! Come to Indy!
Jeez guys - stop your whining. Why don't you just drive to one of their shows in Chicago or Ohio like the rest of us in Indiana? It isn't that far - You should be used to having to drive 3 hours to get anywhere anyway. I lived in San Diego and would routinely drive up to LA to see DT. One time I even flew to Northern CA to see them. So a three hour drive to Chicago, or *gasp* a two hour drive to Cinncinati is NOT something to complain about.
Hell at least they are playing in our country. :)
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:53:06 +0100 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Fates Warning? Message-ID: <002001bf6124$7eb87d00$6eed1dc3@sasa>
hey! to the point... which one is better, Parallels of Perfect Symetry or should i get both?
thanx guys :-)
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows off a Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:32:13 -0500 From: "Michael Gray" <mg@planetsarcasm.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Fates Warning? Message-ID: <003901bf60d6$1ec10fa0$18245c18@nycap.rr.com>
I personally like Perfect Symmetry "better," but as a die-hard fan I would say that both are highly recommended. Parallels is known for it's more "commercial" (that is a bad word now, but you guys get what I mean... even the guys in Fates Warning call it that), feel... very good disc... Perfect Symmetry is just incredible progressive metal from beginning to end...
MIKE - PLANET SARCASM http://www.planetsarcasm.com
----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 15:01 Subject: Fates Warning?
> > hey! > to the point... which one is better, Parallels of Perfect Symetry or should > i get both? > > thanx guys :-) > > "Lifting shadows off a dream > Once broken > She can turn a drop of water > Into an ocean..." > > John Myung of Dream Theater > ["Lifting Shadows off a Dream"] > > sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr > http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com > ICQ UIN - 6098813 >
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:11:12 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: No shows in Indy? So what? Message-ID: <001001bf6127$0e283c80$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>Jeez guys - stop your whining. Why don't you just drive to one of their >shows in Chicago or Ohio like the rest of us in Indiana? It isn't that far
hehehee. Too true. I see all you guys getting shows back east and can't understand the wimpiness at driving to another state to see a show. I mean, most of your states are only 100 miles wide. If DT hadn't just popped a show in Utah, the nearest show would have been around a 12 hour trip to the closest one. Damn people and your small states... heheheh.
And I >still< will have to drive 200 miles to see them and am glad to! -- KorgX3 gotta make a doo doo. NP: Fish - Tumbledown.mp3
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:32:15 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Soundscan figuers for SFAM :-( Message-ID: <3883FADF.21A1@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi there
Acording to http://www.metal-sludge.com, DT's SFAM has only sold 60 000 copies in USA :-(((((((
Arash
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:23:26 -0500 From: Benjamin James Gateno <bg003i@mail.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Rides to shows/Cleveland Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.10.10001171619260.7416329-100000@mail1.ats.rochester.edu>
Is anybody going to a show where they will be coming through, or be anywhere near Rochester, NY? I don't have a car, and it'd be great if I could hop along!!! PLEASE!!!! If not....
Before I book the train ticket, I'm gonna need some help/info on getting around Cleveland. I don't know where the venue is, and I would need a cheap place to stay that night. Plus I'd need to know where I could get a ticket to the show. Can anyone help me with this???????
Thanks a lot!!
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:16:41 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Soundscan figuers for SFAM :-( Message-ID: <388394C8.EE87A156@wezl.org>
So everyone go buy a second copy!!! Woohoo! :)
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> Hi there > > Acording to http://www.metal-sludge.com, DT's SFAM has only sold 60 000 > copies in USA :-((((((( > > Arash
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:16:08 -0600 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Chicago show Message-ID: <20000117.181614.12542.1.schnapster@juno.com>
Hey, I plan on being at the Chicago show on Feb. 13. If anyone wants to hook up or anything, e-mail me and let me know.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:22:23 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Tour Dates Message-ID: <001101bf6152$7b5d7c40$ae5299d1@default>
Is there anybody else on the jam (besides the people I know) that is pissed the DT is skipping Kansas City for a second time??? If there is anybody in the area, please post a message or e-mail me. We may have time to get them here.
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:41:43 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <pendragn@netins.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Chicago show Message-ID: <019601bf6155$2ceae810$3464a8c0@klindt.org>
I'll be in Chicago on Saturday with my girlfriend. We're staying until Monday. Chris Ptacek mentioned something about everyone getting together before the show. Keep an eye out, I'm sure there will be more information to come.
tk
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-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Dale R Newberry Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 6:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Chicago show
Hey, I plan on being at the Chicago show on Feb. 13. If anyone wants to hook up or anything, e-mail me and let me know.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:13:29 EST From: Zack1183@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Angra Acoustic Set? Message-ID: <6c.fb2957.25b52649@aol.com>
I just picked up Angra's "Freedom Call" EP and the stuff from the Acoustic show sounds really cool. Does anyone have a bootleg of this concert anywhere?
On a similar Angra note, what are they up to these days?
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:18:09 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: "No Holds barred distribution list":; Subject: Tuesday night is coming Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000117211755.00a8bc00@127.0.0.1>
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And assuming I can find a microphone cable, No Holds Barred Radio will be taking the air. Yes, even though I can't think of anything to write, I amsure I will say something idiotic and stupid. Tommorrow night, That's tuesday, 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time. Mike may or may not be with me, depending on when the plane lands from Florida. How to tune in? point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944, or use the attached .pls file. Also, you could log in at www.live365.com and go to the comedy genre and click on our listing there when we are on. And of course, there is our web site at http://www.nhbradio.com.
and of course, we also have our new discussion forum at nhbradio@egroups.com. To subscribe, see our web site or send a blank email to nhbradio-subscribe@egroups.com.
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-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words --=====================_596950==_--
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:18:44 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: "No Holds barred distribution list":; Subject: Tuesday night is coming Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000117211821.00a9db80@127.0.0.1>
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And assuming I can find a microphone cable, No Holds Barred Radio will be taking the air. Yes, even though I can't think of anything to write, I amsure I will say something idiotic and stupid. Tommorrow night, That's tuesday, 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time. Mike may or may not be with me, depending on when the plane lands from Florida. How to tune in? point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944, or use the attached .pls file. Also, you could log in at www.live365.com and go to the comedy genre and click on our listing there when we are on. And of course, there is our web site at http://www.nhbradio.com.
and of course, we also have our new discussion forum at nhbradio@egroups.com. To subscribe, see our web site or send a blank email to nhbradio-subscribe@egroups.com.
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-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words --=====================_635548==_--
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:27:13 EST From: ChromaPX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dominici Breaks His Silence on the Sherinian-DT split Message-ID: <5c.547ca1.25b53791@aol.com>
found on alt.music.dream-theater
special thanks goes out to the almighty Calvin 6s for getting this hard to find info
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"I was asked to plead ignorance, but I need some kind of edge to hang on to my Dream Theater past" boasted the fading rock star, Charlie Dominici. Even though we tried to ignore him, the man just had to tell his story.
"Quite a few fans have noticed a dramatic improvement in John Petrucci's style over the past 4 to 5 years. His expression and dynamics have really started to give him 'his own style'. The problem is Petrucci cites Derek Sherinian as his biggest influence. John is a master at taking the styles of others and meshing them into his own bag of tricks. It got to the point that Sherinian's style was becoming more and more evident in John's playing, so John kindly sent Derek an email "please get another style because I can't come up with my own. Thank you."
When confronted with the accusation, Petrucci simply responded "Its what I do. All the Steves and Als were taken. We figured if we kept Derek down in the mix that the fans would never even figure out his style. But then Derek had to go work on that solo album. We knew time was short. It was only a matter of time before our fears were addressed."
To get the other side of the story, we asked Derek his view of the fallout. "Dominici? You say he was in Dream Theater? I love Dream Theatre!"
But Dominici's tale doesn't end there. "Want to know how they chose Jordan Rudess? Well it was during the first LTE sessions when they invited me up to check out the madness. I asked Jordan 'Aren't you afraid Petrucci will steal your style?', to which Jordan replied 'What style?'. Well Portnoy knew right then and there that Jordan was a perfect fit for Dream Theater."
Perhaps the most incriminating evidence comes from the other two Dream Theater members. James LaBrie let out this rectum puckering confession "Yeahhhhhh eeee ahh yaaaa yeahhhhhhhhh ahhhhhh". While approaching Myung for comment, he remained unusually tight lipped. The guilt has made him mute.
But if you refuse to believe Charlie's story, he has this retort "I have it all on video. It can be yours for $49.95."
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