YTSEJAM Digest 5536
Today's Topics:
1) A small learned thing about practice.
by Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
2) Question!
by Zen102600@aol.com
3) Transatlantic--NDTC
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@bellsouth.net>
4) Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT?
by Fett2002@aol.com
5) New Dream Theater site,Includes Rare video`s of DT and Liquid Tension Experiment
by emret@ispro.net.tr
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) Re: Megadeth again
by Fett2002@aol.com
8) Re: Megadeth/selling out
by Fett2002@aol.com
9) Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT?
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535
by CeaSerin@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
12) re: Home stereo help
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535
by EvoReaper@aol.com
15) BMG
by Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@avana.net>
16) Megadeth
by "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu>
17) Bands that have sold themselves....
by "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
18) King's X live
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
19) Boss GX700 multiFX
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
20) Re: Bands that have sold themselves....
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
21) Tunnelvision
by Pasi Sundqvist <psundqvi@planet.fi>
22) vacation ...
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: A small learned thing about practice.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1000706204415.901C-100000@usr05.primenet.com>
Hi,
I've been studying classical and jazz guitar for a while now, in
addition to my own delving into shred. I can tell you that, in my young
dumb and full of come opinion, practice for every style is totally
different. If you want to play jazz or fusion, as Tacek and I do on some
level, you *must* practice improving by yourself. I find practicing chord
soloing very important, too. Then there are many different kinds of scale
excercises to do, mostly, anything that will give you the precise picture
of the scale all over the finger board. I want to be able to grab any
note on any string whenever I want to, so I practice lots of scales in
position to find the easiest ways of doing that. I also practice all
kinds of wacky arpegio things. In addition to normal scales, I try to get
all the modes of melodic and harmonic minor in addition to whole-tone and
diminished scales. Clasically, it's all different. Tone production,
Segovia scales, and practicing repretoire super slowly comprise most of my
practice there. In my opinion, an hour a day is far too little for me. I
try to practice at least 3 hours a day, and if I lose sleep or chances to
be social, so be it. I find that that still isn't enough, but I don't
have Vai's focus. Anyways, take it or leave it, that's just what I do.
Be well.
Matt B
"Cover my eyes and tell me/Am I really blind?" (Dream Theater)
mattb@primenet.com
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:54:19 EDT
From: Zen102600@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Question!
Message-ID: <7c.7cd47a0.26964bfb@aol.com>
Does anyone know what song is playing on track one of the HOB orlando
mp3s just before the clock ticking starts?
thanks in advance!!!!!
-Luc
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:30:31 -0400
From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Transatlantic--NDTC
Message-ID: <3964FA76.FA0A5F8D@bellsouth.net>
Hey all...
I just recently discovered Transatlantic...much too late to obtain the Dbl. CD set.
I was wondering if anyone has it that wants to either sell it or maybe make me a
copy of the bonus material? I'm not trying to get out of buying the album, I
already have it...but it's the US one. So if anyone can help out, that would be
cool. Thanks.
Bobby
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:43:13 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT?
Message-ID: <b4.79ad270.26965771@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/6/00 4:43:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Symphony and Youth were "selling out" like Met's black album was "selling
out." It was definitely more mainstream, but still not really straight
rock/pop. Deth got to that with some songs on CW and most of Risk, a
couple years behind Load and Reload.
>>
OK, I was going under the assumption that the black album wasn't sen as
"selling out." But if the opinion is held (and whether I agree with it or not
is a moot point) that the black album was indeed "selling out" then it was
before Symphony. And I agree with the Risk/ Load-Reload thing as well. But
doesn't that just point out that Mustaine pretty much followed in Metallica's
steps for the past decade? Metallica did the black album, which abandoned
speed metal. Megadeth did Countdown and Youthanasia, which abandoned speed
metal. Metallica did Load/Reload, which went further away from metal.
Megadeth released Cryptic Writings and Risk, which both did the same (well,
Risk did at least).
Another point about selling out. Dream Theater admits that they tried to
write radio songs on FII. Has anyone thought about what would have happened
is that album sold 2 millions copies or so? I seriously doubt that SFAM would
have ever been made and I'll bet that a vast majority of this list would now
be calling ST a bunch of "sell outs"and saying they suck and stuff like that.
Just a thought.
-mike C.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 100 21:44:44 GMT
From: emret@ispro.net.tr
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New Dream Theater site,Includes Rare video`s of DT and Liquid Tension Experiment
Message-ID: <200007062144.AAA75208@finland.ispro.net.tr>
Hey there,
please check my site and let me know what you think,
the site contains mpeg files from
Lte live at Namm,
HOB cybercast
Milan99
Steve Vai Live in Istanbul 2000
http://www.bootlegmania.8m.com
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ISPRO Internet Servisleri
http://www.ispro.net.tr/
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:44:41 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535
Message-ID: <9b.759a0f0.269657c9@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/6/00 4:43:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
David Dixon:
<< > Um, ever hear of the albums "Symphony of Destruction" and "Youthanasia"?!
Actually, no, I've never heard of the album, "Symphony of Destruction". I
have, however, heard or an album called "Countdown to Extinction".
I feel like being an ass. >>
You're not being one. I always call that album "Symphony of Destruction" for
some reason. Thanks for correcting me :)
-mike C.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:48:36 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth again
Message-ID: <ac.75201f0.269658b4@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/6/00 4:43:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< > > Um, ever hear of the albums "Symphony of Destruction" and
"Youthanasia"?!
> > -mike C.
> >
Carlos Alfaro:
>Yeah i guess you could consider Countdown to exctinction "selling out"
> compared to rust in peace and previous albums
> but that is one DAMN GOOD album. Lots of complex and excellent songs in
> there..most of them had catchy coruses and stuff too.. >>
Well, I didn't even mean to imply that they neccessarily "sold out" on that
album, but it did shy away from speed metal. Personally, it's my least
favorite Megadeth album. I love Architecture of Agression and dig Sweating
Bullets but I find the rest to be pretty boring. Just my opinion. I don't
care for Youthanasia much either but really dig Cryptic Writings. and I
actually like Risk better than Countdown and Youthansia, but that Crush Em
song was such a huge mistake.
-mike C.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:56:21 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth/selling out
Message-ID: <a3.834e772.26965a85@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/6/00 4:43:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< The funny thing about 'Tallica and 'Deth of recent years is that if any of
either bands' albums had been released by "unknown" or less heard of
artists, we would probably be discussing how good these albums are instead
of bagging them. I'll admit that by both bands' standards, their last few
releases have been "watered down" to say the least. But to me they are still
very valid musically and I find them enjoyable to listen to.
Just my 2cents (plus GST for all of us Aussies!!!) >>
THANK YOU!!! I agree SOOOO much. I personally don't understand why people
think that bands must make the same exact trype of music from album 1 to
album 20. This just boggles my mind. Now, if someone is into just heavy music
and speed metal and what not then I can understand it. But otherwise, it just
makes no sense to me. And yes, I agree that both bands have passed their
peaks and have "watered down" their sound a bit but I still enjoy them. And
another thing I don't understand is all the bitterness. Peole never say about
a band, "oh I like their older stuff but not their newer stuff. I'm just not
into it." They always say something like, "oh they fucking suck ass big time
now. They're a buch of fucking assholes!" Why do people get so bitter? Well,
anyway this has been my 4th post today, so I apoligize for taking up so much
of the jam.
-mike C.
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:12:12 -0500
From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT?
Message-ID: <B58A6E6C.66A1%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 7/6/00 4:53 PM, Fett2002@aol.com at Fett2002@aol.com scribbled in vibrant
crayola:
> OK, I was going under the assumption that the black album wasn't sen as
> "selling out." But if the opinion is held (and whether I agree with it or not
> is a moot point) that the black album was indeed "selling out" then it was
> before Symphony. And I agree with the Risk/ Load-Reload thing as well. But
> doesn't that just point out that Mustaine pretty much followed in Metallica's
> steps for the past decade? Metallica did the black album, which abandoned
> speed metal. Megadeth did Countdown and Youthanasia, which abandoned speed
> metal. Metallica did Load/Reload, which went further away from metal.
> Megadeth released Cryptic Writings and Risk, which both did the same (well,
> Risk did at least).
This is true. Mustaine saw how popular Metallica became and tried to emulate
it. Of course, this is only fair since Metallica spent their first four
albums recycling material Mustaine wrote in 1980.
> Another point about selling out. Dream Theater admits that they tried to
> write radio songs on FII. Has anyone thought about what would have happened
> is that album sold 2 millions copies or so? I seriously doubt that SFAM would
> have ever been made and I'll bet that a vast majority of this list would now
> be calling ST a bunch of "sell outs"and saying they suck and stuff like that.
> Just a thought.
Yeah, and a lot of people would probably sell their OLD dt albums too
because they wouldn't like the new direction. I know a lot of Metallica fans
who did this. I don't see the logic, but then, logic is never at a premium
in arrogant, "insider," stalker-mentality groups.
-Brian
ps no, that obviously doesn't apply to the whole jam, just a small portion
--It was Christmas Eve babe, in the drunk tank An old man said to me, won't see another one And then he sang a song The Rare Old Mountain Dew I turned my face away And dreamed about you
-Shane MacGowan
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:09:49 EDT From: CeaSerin@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535 Message-ID: <bb.4e91c45.26966bbd@aol.com>
To get away from the Megadeth talk for a moment. Just thought some of you might want to go to my site and hear some of my songs. It's quite different though. There are some prog elements in it but others as well. If you like it, please tell others. www.mp3.com/CeaSerin thanks J. Lamm
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:31:24 -0700 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535 Message-ID: <B58A64DC.2D0%schansen@cts.com>
Buck Hamner wrote: > I don't > know if everyone is aware, but the QR song "Nightrider" was actually written > about Knight Rider and is homage to David Hasselhoff. <snip> > Apperently, throughthe > friend of a friend, Hasselhoff found out about the song and loved it from the > moment he heard it. He had his people get in contact with the band and > started talking. In fact, Degarmo once said that they were lucky enough to > have Hasselhoff come to a show of theirs along with Devon, who was a party > nut supposedly.
Hey Mike (Portnoy)!
You reading this??? I'm thinking the world is due for an X-Files song by DT! :) If done in time, maybe you guys could mae a cameo on episode before the show ends! ....okay, it was a thought..... ;)
Scott
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:11:33 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: re: Home stereo help Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D34024B1AB0@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> I'm looking into buying a new home stereo, >> with a price ceiling of maybe $1500 or so, >> and I was wondering if anyone with a >> particular interest in this stuff (Al?) >> could e-mail me (at my private address) with >> recommendations, advice, etc.
Two thoughts possibly worthy of public consumption.
1) Put as much of what you can afford (even 50%) into speakers !! It is the last analog piece of stereo equipment out there and a higher allocation to speakers translates into a higher level of satisfaction. Speakers sound drastically different so make sure that you listen to them with what you like to listen to not just what they have in the store. Bring your CDs in with you. Let Circuit City hear Met Pt. 1 !! And go during less crowded hours. You will get more personal attention and can crank Met Pt. 1 !!
2) Heavier is better than lighter. Really. Heavier components tend to be of higher quality than ligher ones. More reliable.
Cheers, Mark Metzger mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:20:39 EDT From: DoubleJay54@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535 Message-ID: <c6.78ad4c5.26967c57@aol.com>
This may have come up before, but is there any connection between the song 'Anna Lee' , and the Edgar Allen Poe poem 'Annabelle Lee'? I was just wondering. There were some other poems by him that i found (the sleeper) that seemed to have a littel connection to some DT stuff. Did they do that on purpose or not, if so that would be kinda cool. JJ
'May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face' Frank Zappa to Tipper Gore on music censorship.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:26:55 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5535 Message-ID: <ac.7560af9.269699ef@aol.com>
<< ay, first Queensryche. Is it me, or has Queensryche started to get a lot more airtime on the better Rock stations out there. Here where I am, w= e have WTOS, they are known for having some of the coolest mixes of killer music (Dream Theater even gets airplay!), but recently (like the last month= ) Queensryche has made an impact on the playlist. I swaer I hear them every couple of hours, new stuff, old stuff, I hear it constantly. Is Queensrych= e making a comeback in the music industry, are they going to begin to pioneer music again? I have even heard "Suite Sister Mary," make the Stoner (which is a long song played every night at 10:00). The Stoner has to get the largest number of requests to be played, and has to have 100% approval of the DJ on that night, coincidence, maybe.... >>
Dude, where ya from? I have WTOS here too. I live in Lewiston, ME. (The TOS=20 station is in Skowhegan, ME, like an hour from here). Your absolutely right,= =20 I hear a lot of R=FFche and DT on TOS. I hear something from Mindcrime just=20 about everytime I listen, (about an hour a day...), and I hear DT usually o= n=20 Friday nights. (I hear "Burning My Soul" a lot, and occasionally I'll call u= p=20 and ask for something from "Awake".) I remember one time, on The Stoner, the= y=20 played "Burning My Soul", "Hell's Kitchen" and "LITS", that was really cool.= =20
Andy
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:50:32 -0400 From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@avana.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: BMG Message-ID: <39654578.82B2FFE8@avana.net>
Nice little write up in this issue of the BMG Service Book.
Even have a fairly new picture with all the guys, including Jordan.
Promo for M2, OIAL, FII, ACOS and Awake. No I&W.
Hope to see you all in Philly!!!!
Duester
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:14:18 -0400 From: "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Megadeth Message-ID: <000901bfe7c1$714ded20$6405b13f@majesty>
Hello All, I guess I have a difficult time seeing where songs about hatred are considered "selling out." Sure there are the select few songs in the mainstream world that are about hating, but a majority of Megadeths songs over the years have been fairly angry tunes. Angry Again ring a bell? How many songs like that of Deth's made it high on the charts? Not many to my knowledge. So what if Dave wanted to see if he could make an album sell by changing the style of his writing for a couple of albums. In my oppinion, there is some great material on these highly mentioned albums. I am partial to the songs "Trust," "Killing Road," "Crush 'Em," and "Insomnia." Sure, there are others that I am into, but these are just a few. My introduction to Megadeth was with Countdown to Extinction, an album that I thought to be some top notch metal (trash, whatever you want to call it by genre...). I think that the issue of Megadeth be dropped becuase did we ever go off on Falling into Infinity this bad, no. I would think that that album "sold out" quite well with it's radio tunes. I know this because I got 6 CD's from my college radio station, all different, but still massive radio promotions. The only Radio promotion that came out with SFAM was Home, which was a terrible radio edit. Sorry for being so synical, but it is what I am best at. Talk to you all later, Joe
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:27:16 +0300 From: "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Bands that have sold themselves.... Message-ID: <BF5DDB8F38354D110885000A9C4B45B0@janne_lunnas.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Hi!
Janne here. Gonna see Gamma Ray and Nightwish tonight, yippee! But that is totally not the matter why I'm writing here now. I'm pissed off for the fact that people always say how Megadeth, Queensryche and Metallica used to be good bands and how their music has become more commercial. Maybe it has but I think it's totally ridiculous that people can't listen to this music because of that fact. Maybe this kind of music just is the kind of music that these bands want to play. There is a lot of people who like the way that Metallica is now and people who think that older and new Metallica is good music so can't we let this complaining about the new Metallica etc.-topic rest (or rust) in peace? I am a big fan of Dream Theater and I think that Falling into Infinity is a fucking great album even though it is sometimes considered pretty commercial. My opinion is that heavy metal band don't necessarily have to be extremely heavy all the time -I think that band has some balls if it dares to make something different from the ordinary line of the genre!
Janne Lunnas
"If I die tomorrow I'd be all right Because I believe That after we're gone The spirit carries on"
Dream Theater: The Spirit Carries On Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:59:46 +0100 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: King's X live Message-ID: <39659C02.1461E33@picsel.com>
I went to see King's X live last night. I did not previously know any of their songs. I enjoyed what they were doing, and some of the stuff sounded cool, but I was very tired and not really in the mood for live music so I left after a few songs and went home to bed.
The opening act was some guy called David Brockett, who does Satriani/Vai style widdling, but without the originality or songwriting talent.
Why are prog rock gigs always full of old men? It's depressing. If these old men would bring their daughters to gigs, it would (a) make people like me (youngish single men) very happy, and (b) sell twice as many tickets for the bands. See, everyone wins.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: 7 Jul 2000 12:16:41 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Boss GX700 multiFX Message-ID: <20000707121641.8507.qmail@musone.chek.com>
Just wondering if anyone on this list has ever owned the above piece of lucozade-cloured rackmount. If so, I'd appreciate any and all commments about it, particularly whether or not it'll live with bass as well as it will with guitar. Private mail appreciated.
~Simon
Sign-up for free Buffy the Vampire Slayer e-mail at http://www.buffymail.com
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:32:35 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bands that have sold themselves.... Message-ID: <001301bfe820$3a969d90$0201010a@chuck>
> Queensryche and Metallica used to be good bands and how their > music has become more commercial. Maybe it has but I think it's > totally ridiculous that people can't listen to this music because of
Yeah, this is actually funny when you take a step back and look at it. The anti-commercial, anti-mainstream junkies have parallel mindsets to the pro-commercial, pro-mainstream junkies. One side abhors anything "pop-sounding" despite how good it might actually be. They pretend to be more dignified than to enjoy something that they hear on the radio. The other side won't listen to anything if it doesn't get radio play. If it isn't played on the radio it can't be cool, can it?
Of course, these are extreme definitions, but it's amazing how many people live on the extreme edge like that. Even better is you can imagine where alot of the anti-radio people might have first heard some of their favorite bands. :) -- KorgX3 listens to about anything with a melody.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:57:51 +0300 From: Pasi Sundqvist <psundqvi@planet.fi> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Tunnelvision Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000707205751.00813c30@mail.planet.fi>
A week ago I was in a concert of this great new progressive metal band Tunnelvision. I found their www-page by accident and after downloading the sample clips I knew that it was good. Also I know some of the musicians by reputation and they're good.
The concert was great! They played well and the songs are really good. I bought their first CD "While the World Awaits" and I have been playing it ever since. (Well, taking turns with King Crimson's ConstrucKtion of light.) The concert was in Helsinki, Finland, in an old rock club Tavastia where Dream Theater had their first gig in Finland on Awake-tour. I was there. They have also had some clinics at Tavastia and I have attented them too. To those Stratovarius fans out there, singer Timo Kotipelto was there in the audience, also I think I saw the bass player Jari Kainulainen in the bar... I was missing Jens Johansson, thought. Has anybody heard Jens' Fission? That's propably the most complicated rock-fusion-jazz CD I have ever heard. Also most of the members of the prog band Ageness were there.
The address for Tunnelvision is http://www.tunnelvision.org/
If you like anything like Stratovarius etc. check Tunnelvision out. Tunnelvision is more progressive with odd times and complicated songs.
Pasi
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:01:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: vacation ... Message-ID: <14694.14114.880311.710955@optical.mindstorm.com>
I'm going on vacation momentarily. I will be out of town until the 22nd. If the jam goes down or something, just wait. I will fix it when I get back.
Skadz
-- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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