YTSEJAM Digest 5537
Today's Topics:
1) re: Home stereo help
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
2) deth/'ca
by Joshua Rasiel <josh@on-linedesign.com>
3) Re: Home stereo help
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) Metal news...
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
5) Re: A small learned thing about practice.
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
6) Andy From Lewiston, ME
by "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu>
7) Specific DT Bootleg
by Jpbwildcat@aol.com
8) DT Selling Out?
by Magus12551@aol.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536
by EvoReaper@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536
by Fett2002@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536
by Dgnr8rock@aol.com
12) All this selling out talk....
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
14)
by sesm2000@hotmail.com
15) Re: vacation ...
by "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu>
16) Nicholas and Victoria abducted by aliens
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
17) Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT?
by elmariachi@metallica.com
18) Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT?
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
19) popularity
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:07:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: Home stereo help
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10007071702260.14568-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Metzger, Mark wrote:
> Two thoughts possibly worthy of public consumption.
>
> 1) Put as much of what you can afford (even 50%) into speakers !!
> It is the last analog piece of stereo equipment out there and a higher
> allocation to speakers translates into a higher level of satisfaction.
> Speakers sound drastically different so make sure that you listen to
> them with what you like to listen to not just what they have in the
> store. Bring your CDs in with you. Let Circuit City hear Met Pt. 1
> !! And go during less crowded hours. You will get more personal
> attention and can crank Met Pt. 1 !!
Also, you should be aware that the two biggest improvements in sound
quality are source and output. As such, the best upgrades you can make to
a current (or new) stereo system would be speakers (because if you don't
have decent output, you won't hear any improvement anyway) but even more
importantly than that is the source (in this case, probably a CD player).
Al has said more than once that when one buys a TRULY good CD player, the
difference in sound quality, even on an existing P.O.S. stereo system, is
like taking a heavy wool blanket off of your speakers. The sound is THAT
much clearer. I don't know exact model numbers, but two good places to
look for REALLY good CD players (though they're probably not in your price
range of $1500 for a whole system) are Denon and California Audio Labs.
> 2) Heavier is better than lighter. Really. Heavier components tend
> to be of higher quality than ligher ones. More reliable.
Also, the heavier a component is, the less likely it is to succumb to
outside intereference from, say, other sound sources. In the case of a
record turntable, the heavier the component (and the stronger the motor)
the less likely it is to succumb to inertia from the spinning of the disc
itself.
Note that I really don't know much about this, only what I have heard from
other people. I'm just spouting stuff I've heard. :)
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"I have this light switch in my apartment that
doesn't do anything. So every now and then I'll
walk by and flip it. One day, I flipped it on
and off and the phone rang. I picked it up and
this lady from Germany said 'Hey - cut it out.'"
- Steven Wright
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:28:12 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <josh@on-linedesign.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: deth/'ca
Message-ID: <39664B65.FCE9B16A@on-linedesign.com>
>the funny thing about 'Tallica and 'Deth of recent years is that if any
of
>either bands' albums had been released by "unknown" or less heard of
>artists, we would probably be discussing how good these albums are
instead
>of bagging them. I'll admit that by both bands' standards, their last
few
>releases have been "watered down" to say the least.
It reminds me of QR. That's what people said about their last three
albums. The difference between them and 'deth is that QR's attempt to
shift to a bigger market resulted in shitty songs. On the other hand, I
love cryptic writings and I think risk is even better.
josh
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:38:14 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Home stereo help
Message-ID: <001e01bfe85b$ac2b4c90$0201010a@chuck>
> Also, the heavier a component is, the less likely it is to succumb to
> outside intereference from, say, other sound sources.
And speaker wires as thick as your thumb. You gotta have those. Made
out of 24K gold. Insulated with living human flesh. They cost a
bundle, but mine were worth it.
-- KorgX3 got hungry and accidentally ate his left speaker cables, though.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:56:08 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: <jmsouter@airmail.net> Subject: Metal news... Message-ID: <001601bfe866$89827640$7a3688cf@jammer>
DRAIN sth the Swedish band has reportedly broken up
[ FUCK ! ]
ZAKK WYLDE two of the guitarist's axes were stolen last Friday at the show in Dallas, TX including his familiar trademark "Bullseye" guitar - there is a $1000 reward for whoever returns the guitars, if you have any information on their whereabouts contact: RandyCanis@yahoo.com
[ that sux ]
MOTORHEAD word has it that Lemmy stormed out of a BBC TV studio on Tuesday night after being asked to put out his cigarette - apparently, the vocalist left before completing his scheduled interview, but not before hitting the hospitality suite for a final swig of Jack Daniels
[ go LEMMY!!! ]
MOTLEY CRUE drummer Randy Castillo is ready to be back in action and is expected to hit the stage with the Crue starting this Saturday
[ blah ]
SLASH'S SNAKEPIT the mad hatter and company have signed to Koch Records - the band is rounded out by Rod Jackson (v), Kerry Kelly (g), Matt Laug (d), and Johnny Blackout (b)
[ cool ]
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:54:55 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A small learned thing about practice. Message-ID: <1686BAE723454D110885000A9C4B45B0@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I feel that, for me personally, the bare minimum I'll do is 4 hours. I schedule my practice routine around Vai's 10 hour workout. That is, 3 areas of studies (for me its all shred type practice - alternate picking, legato/RH tapping, and sweeping), given 1 hour each, and then (if time permits) repeat that 3 hour block (using different exercises though, thats what I do anyway) either once or twice, and always have a "jam" hour at the end, giving you either a 4, 7, or 10 hour day.
What I feel gives the best results is, above all else, to be happy with your playing, and to feel good about playing. That doesn't mean not wanting to advance, but it means you can play and feel joy about playing; not frustration and anger towards "why aren't I faster?" or "why can't I play this?" When you have this, you'll find its easier to play with less tension and with more focus, and you'll also find that you'll be playing more from the heart, rather than the brain (the latter being the one that usually makes you more frustrated). Its this mentality that is the root of why guys like Vai and Malmsteen are as good as they are.
I never really practice scale positions because I just think that limits you more; I prefer to see the entire neck as one big scale position (I guess thats the best way I can discribe it) and I feel that gives you more freedom to do stuff like going up and down on 1 string and shifting around more rather than thinking "I'm playing the G Phrygian scale in the 3rd position" or whatever. Of course, there
are some scale patterns that are more "3 note per string" shred friendly than others ;-).
Matt ============================= Now you've got your voice Your own speech Don't wait 'till Someone else agrees -Rafael Bittencourt, Angra ============================= Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:38:48 -0400 From: "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Andy From Lewiston, ME Message-ID: <001001bfe885$a63a5b80$06deb03f@majesty>
Andy, I am just around the corner, from Lewiston, in Poland Spring man. Damn this is a small world, the DT world that is.... And for everyone who is going to ask, yes they bottle the fucking water here. Talk to you all later, and nice meeting you Andy., Joe
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:03:04 EDT From: Jpbwildcat@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Specific DT Bootleg Message-ID: <1e.7a39158.2697f3e8@aol.com>
When in doubt and (tired of looking), turn to the ytsejam. I have recently obtained the Offenbach show that was recorded on 4/1/00 through a trade. I don't know the specific name of the boot but it's the same recording that is floating around the trading community with the name "Elvis" in the title or something to that effect. I've looked on the main bootleg reference sites (the links from Lines in the Sand, etc) but cannot find any reference to that particular boot name. I know I've seen it somplace but I'm a dumbass for not making a bookmark of the page. I am looking for the liners for the show so I can print them out. Am I running in circles? :-) Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance, James
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:05:10 EDT From: Magus12551@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT Selling Out? Message-ID: <98.75bb7d5.2697f466@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/7/00 4:50:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
> Another point about selling out. Dream Theater admits that they tried to > write radio songs on FII. Has anyone thought about what would have happened > is that album sold 2 millions copies or so? I seriously doubt that SFAM > would > have ever been made and I'll bet that a vast majority of this list would now > > be calling ST a bunch of "sell outs"and saying they suck and stuff like that. > > Just a thought.
However, DT did not CHOOSE to sell out. They were under mondo label pressure... and glad things worked out the way they did :)
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:56:53 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536 Message-ID: <3f.72dd36b.26980085@aol.com>
<< Does anyone know what song is playing on track one of the HOB orland= o=20 mp3s just before the clock ticking starts? =20 thanks in advance!!!!! >>
As far as I know, it's just a keyboard piece placed over the tick to jump th= e=20 fans up even more. I think my favorite part about the tick is the little=20 pause right before the hypno-therapist starts talking.=20
<<Yeah, and a lot of people would probably sell their OLD dt albums too because they wouldn't like the new direction. I know a lot of Metallica fans who did this. I don't see the logic, but then, logic is never at a premium in arrogant, "insider," stalker-mentality groups.>>
I remember when DeGarmo left R=FFche, this one guy sold off ALL his R=FFche=20 memorabilia. He had a lot of rareties and stuff, a really big collector. I=20 know he sounded really depressed and everything, like he lost a family=20 member. He said something about all faith he ever had in music had been lost= ,=20 really over-emotional and everything. I know I was really bummed, but there'= s=20 a point. I still like Q2K, I don't consider it really great R=FFche, but it'= s=20 still a good album. (They turned into a different band after Promised Land,=20 IMO).=20
<<This may have come up before, but is there any connection between the song= =20 'Anna Lee' , and the Edgar Allen Poe poem 'Annabelle Lee'? I was just=20 wondering. There were some other poems by him that i found (the sleeper) tha= t=20 seemed to have a littel connection to some DT stuff. Did they do that on=20 purpose or not, if so that would be kinda cool. JJ>>
Last I knew, James LaBrie wrote "Anna Lee" about child molestation. "They=20 invite your hands to fill their needs...."
I think I want to buy a JPM, anyone know of any sellers?
Andy
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:34:01 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536 Message-ID: <6f.7585107.26980939@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/7/00 4:50:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< KorgX3 listens to about anything with a melody. >>
This is probably the best philosphy to have in regards to music :)
-mike C.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 03:11:15 EDT From: Dgnr8rock@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536 Message-ID: <bf.4dac904.26982e13@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/7/00 4:58:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Hey all... I just recently discovered Transatlantic...much too late to obtain the Dbl. CD set. I was wondering if anyone has it that wants to either sell it or maybe make me a copy of the bonus material? I'm not trying to get out of buying the album, I already have it...but it's the US one. So if anyone can help out, that would be cool. Thanks. >>
Do whatever you can to get that double CD version. It's well worth it IMO. Buck Hamner
NP: Toys for Tots- Alien Children
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:31:19 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: All this selling out talk.... Message-ID: <20000708.023141.-16609.3.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
My .02
Queensryche- I enjoy ALL there albums, Chris or no Chris. TO ME, ALL Queensryche is awesome.
Megadeth-Great badn, put out a bad hard rock album, but with Dave back in control now, (RISK was MArty's baby, he wrote 75% of the music I believe) they are gonna become speed demons again. I thinking a mix of CW and Countdown stuff. Ive heard an mp3 of some new song (Not return to hangar 18) and it kicks ass.
Metallica-fuk those assholes. I used to get into Load and Reload a bit, I can't anymore. It grew old REALLY fast. Metallica I think needs to call it quits.
QR adn megadeth have my permission to do whatever they want, I m even in QR's Fanclub (along with DT, of course)
Kurtman has spoken
"damn I need a new signature now" me after reading ytsejam 5456
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:27:36 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5536 Message-ID: <20000708.023141.-16609.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
JJ walker wrote: <This may have come up before, but is there any connection between the song 'Anna Lee' , and the Edgar Allen Poe poem 'Annabelle Lee'? I was just wondering. There were some other poems by him that i found (the sleeper) that seemed to have a littel connection to some DT stuff. Did they do that on
purpose or not, if so that would be kinda cool. JJ>
I wondered this a lot when I read it for an American Literature class, and I came to the conclusion that it has NOTHINg to do with song. James read an article about child abuse or something, got touched by it and wrote the song. I think James should write more lyrics, he has a very "personal" style (Spaek to me, Anna lee, One last time, and I think he wrote TWIUTB.
<I went to see King's X live last night. I did not previously know any of their songs. I enjoyed what they were doing, and some of the stuff sounded cool, but I was very tired and not really in the mood for live music so I left after a few songs and went home to bed.>
OMG! I should kill you now, but Il let ya slide. KIX is awesome live, but if your tired, your tired. Plus TY solos too much live. He draws out his solos WAY too long. When I saw them, I was like "gosh not another solo" He went on for 8 min one time. JP I could watch for hours but not Ty.
<KorgX3 listens to about anything with a melody.>
Since when is Mike's daughter playing songs? What badn is she in? i know the Totally Tearin Toddlers along with JP's munchkins. :)
Kurt NP-Burning My soul with hells kitchen (HY single baby!)
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:08:08 +0200 From: "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: vacation ... Message-ID: <01bfe8d5$2e929660$LocalHost@king>
Oh just two weeks without the list. That ain't much :)
Marko -----Original Message----- ]From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Date: Friday, 07 July, 2000 22:12 Subject: vacation ...
| |I'm going on vacation momentarily. I will be out of town until the |22nd. If the jam goes down or something, just wait. I will fix it |when I get back. | |Skadz
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:25:34 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Nicholas and Victoria abducted by aliens Message-ID: <20000708.083719.-861481.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> You reading this??? I'm thinking the world is due for an X-Files song by DT! > :) If done in time, maybe you guys could mae a cameo on episode before the > show ends! ....okay, it was a thought..... ;)
Dude, toss in Scully prancin' around in her undies, and I think I'd just about have a coronary. :-)
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Date: 8 Jul 2000 08:19:13 -0700 From: elmariachi@metallica.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT? Message-ID: <20000708151913.23523.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net>
> > OK, I was going under the assumption that the black album wasn't sen as > > "selling out."
The argument dates as far back as "Ride the Lightning" when they wrote "Fade to Black" and "Escape" (the latter was admittidley an attempt by the band to write something radio-friendly, which consequently fell flat on its face). But things really heated up with the black album, since it was the most drastic change in style from one album to the next. It's all bullshit anyway. So their music has evolved and matured...personally I would've been much more diappointed with them if they'd churned out the same Ride the Lightning/Master of Puppets/Justice formula over and over again (which they already did 3 times in a row at that time).
> > But > > doesn't that just point out that Mustaine pretty much followed in Metallica's > > steps for the past decade?
I can't agree with that. Maybe Dave tries, but he doesn't succeed in following their lead. Megadeth has been in a serious rut since Countdown came out. Once and a while something cool like "She Wolf" pops up, but otherwise a lot of it sounds the same, whereas Metallica, like 'em or not, can't be accused of churning out the same song over and over (Unforgiven & Unforgiven II notwithstanding).
> > Metallica did the black album, which abandoned > > speed metal.
Part of the problem here is that they never called themselves "speed metal," "thrash," or anything else. Even before they "abandoned" it, they never liked being categorized as such. Everyone else called them that, so when they did something different, it didn't fit what everyone was calling them, and thus they were labeled as sell-outs.
Just how much can either band do with speed metal anyway? It would get boring if they didn't grow.
> > Metallica did Load/Reload, which went further away from metal.
Actually, there were more double-bass, fast-tempo songs on these two albums than there were on the black album (esp. ReLoad). Neither was as radio-friendly as the black album, and actually sold roughly the same number of copies (each) as Justice did in the 80's.
> > Megadeth released Cryptic Writings and Risk, which both did the same (well, > > Risk did at least).
I lost interest in Megadeth before Risk, so I can't argue in its favor, but in Megadeth's defense, what do you call "She Wolf" if not metal? That song made Cryptic Writings worth the money.
You know, I just saw Metallica in Baltimore on the 4th, and for a bunch of sell-outs, they sure did a lot of old stuff. In fact, the first four songs they played were off their first two albums. Hmm...same thing happend last time I saw them on the ReLoad tour. Plus they put out stuff like "Garage Inc." that has more than its share of speed metal...one would think they still like to play fast.
Funny thing is that I remember hearing that Megadeth plays nothing from their first four albums in concert. Probably one of the big reasons I don't bother going to Megadeth shows.
> This is true. Mustaine saw how popular Metallica became and tried to emulate > it Of course, this is only fair since Metallica spent their first four > albums recycling material Mustaine wrote in 1980.
Not really. Mustaine didn't contribute on THAT many songs, even on Kill 'em All. And the ones you could give him the most credit for aren't the ones that set the direction for future Metallica songs anyway.
> > Another point about selling out. Dream Theater admits that they tried to > > write radio songs on FII.
Big deal. Being creative and artistic doesn't always pay the bills, so you can't blame any of these bands for trying. As much as we'd like to believe that DT or anyone else exists to enlighten us with new horizons of musical exploration, the truth is that this is big business, and if these guys don't sell some records, they don't keep record labels, they don't make any cash, and they don't get to tour, which puts a real strain on just how far the "starving artist" theory can be pushed before they end up flipping burgers at Wendy's or greeting you on your way into Wal-Mart. So if they write a radio-friendly tune or two to keep things afloat so that they can focus on truly innovative projects like SFAM without having financial pressures to stifle the creative process, more power to them.
> Yeah, and a lot of people would probably sell their OLD dt albums too > because they wouldn't like the new direction. I know a lot of Metallica fans > who did this. I don't see the logic, but then, logic is never at a premium > in arrogant, "insider," stalker-mentality groups.
I was one of those who didn't like the new direction of Metallica when the black album first came out. In fact, I initially sold mine to a used CD store the same week I'd bought it. But instead of selling back my old ones, I just played them in heavy rotation as a sort of denial that the black album existed (and THAT was logical?). Of course, now I like it, but it took 2 years to grow on me before I caved and bought it again.
-El Mariachi
"I'm the filthy one on burbon street you walk on by." ______________________________________________________________________ Check out Metallica's Official Web Site at http://www.metallica.com For 200+ channel 24/7 commercial free music visit http://radio.www.com
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:46:47 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Megadeth/Metallica/DT? Message-ID: <B58CB717.6722%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 7/8/00 10:30 AM, elmariachi@metallica.com at elmariachi@metallica.com scribbled in vibrant crayola:
> Funny thing is that I remember hearing that Megadeth plays nothing from their > first four albums in concert. Probably one of the big reasons I don't bother > going to Megadeth shows.
Well, right here you completely discredit your entire post. You're going on what people have told you, and what people have told you is wrong. They actually played very little CW/Risk material on either of those tours. They were doing The Mechanix, Peace Sells, Wake Up Dead, Hangar 18, Holy Wars, etc, etc, and lots of Countdown material. > >> This is true. Mustaine saw how popular Metallica became and tried to emulate >> it Of course, this is only fair since Metallica spent their first four >> albums recycling material Mustaine wrote in 1980. > > Not really. Mustaine didn't contribute on THAT many songs, even on Kill 'em > All. And the ones you could give him the most credit for aren't the ones that > set the direction for future Metallica songs anyway.
Um, he is credited on 4/9 on Kill 'em All, and those are just the ones where they gave him credit. I'm sure he contributed to the rest as well in some way. It's well known that most of the solos on that album were copied by Hammet note for note from Mustaine (and later Hetfield and Ulrich wrote his solos for him...tells you a lot about how much creativity that lamoid has in him...like we didn't already know that after three albums full of pentatonic wah piddling bullshit).
-Brian
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Take it for what it is.
- W. Axl Rose
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:36:45 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: popularity Message-ID: <20000708123645.A27374@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-07-07 at 13:54 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com <ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:36 +0000 (GMT) > From: Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com> > Subject: A small learned thing about practice. > > I've been studying classical and jazz guitar for a while now, in > addition to my own delving into shred. I can tell you that, in my young > dumb and full of come opinion, practice for every style is totally > different.
Not *totally* different. Whatever you're playing, you're a better player if you know scales. (Except, you know, drums.) I'm playing progre -- oops, "art rock" -- on the bass about 80% of the time, and on the Stick about 20% of the time. I've been taking lessons from an incredible Stick player, who happens to be a jazz player. Because of this -- you ready for this? -- I've been getting infinitely better at bass. It's all because of the way my teacher explains music theory. And it's music theory. You can use the same theory in any style of music, on any instrument (except, you know, drums).
Then there's my friend who plays an hour or two every day, and hasn't gotten any better in twelve years. He "practices" and "practices" and "practices", but there's no apparent result. Which leads to perhaps my favorite Unix fortune: "Don't tell me how hard you work. Tell me what you get done."
> In my opinion, an hour a day is far too little for me.
I'm jealous that you have that kind of time. I only ever practice my instruments when I get to band rehearsal, and that's only three days a week. That's my window of improvement.
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:56:21 EDT > From: Fett2002@aol.com > Subject: Re: Megadeth/selling out > > THANK YOU!!! I agree SOOOO much. I personally don't understand why > people think that bands must make the same exact trype of music from > album 1 to album 20. This just boggles my mind. Now, if someone is > into just heavy music and speed metal and what not then I can > understand it. But otherwise, it just makes no sense to me. And yes,
I don't think that's it. First, an example that has nothing to do with Megadeth or Metallica.
My favorite band in the world is Rush. Now, were I a teenager in 1974, maybe I'd have a different take on this thing, since I would have experienced it first hand. Alas, I was only 2 when "Rush" came out, so a lot of this analysis is in hindsight. Anyway, "The Rush Sound" has changed gradually from each album to the next. Gently enough that you can tell it's the same three guys playing and writing (the first album notwithstanding), but strongly enough that you can notice, "Hey, these guys have gone out on a limb." One can make the case that Hemi-PeW, MP-to-Signals or Signals-to-P/G is a drastic change (and I'll argue), but you can at least tell it's the same band.
Compare Fly By Night to Hemispheres, though, or Hemispheres to MP, or MP to Hold Your Fire, or HYF to Counterparts, and you'll probably think, "Hey, what four bands are these?" This is where I think a lot of the die-hard fans started losing interest (or maybe it was because The Spirit of Radio was -- gasp -- on the radio). But they kept me, because Ged stil goes nuts, and Neil still writes awesome lyrics, etc...
Then there's Metallica. Metal, metal, metal, metal, pop. You tell me that's not going to piss off your legions of die-hard-I'd-jump-in-front-of-traffic-for-you fans. Add to that their whole rejection of anything "pop", followed by their video for "One" on MTV. Now, I'm not arguing here whether they've sold out or not, or even whether any of their music is good or not. But try to see things the way their hardcore fans see them, and you might understand why everyone's so pissed. It's not about changing what you play. Rush did it, and I'm happy about it. It's about album #4 being the heaviest, most technical thing you've done, and starting out album #5 with Sandman. It's shocking to the system. That's what people have a hard time with.
That, and the fact that Metallica sold out. (Oh, sorry.)
As for Megadeth, I think what did it is that they stayed heavy when Metallica went "Black Album" (for lack of a better term), and now that they've released an album or two reminiscent of the later Metallica stuff, fans are starting to brace themselves for the worst. Once bitten, twice an Anthrax fan.
> I agree that both bands have passed their peaks and have "watered > down" their sound a bit but I still enjoy them. And another thing I > don't understand is all the bitterness.
I don't know how old you are, Mike, but when Justice came out, I was a 16 year old pain in the ass who couldn't let a day go by without arguing with my parents. I'd stomp up the stairs, slam the door, and crank the shit out of whatever Metallica album was handy. Then the Black Album came out. Believe me, if there's one thing I understand, it's the bitterness.
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> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:50:32 -0400 > From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@avana.net> > Subject: BMG > > Nice little write up in this issue of the BMG Service Book. > > Even have a fairly new picture with all the guys, including Jordan. > > Promo for M2, OIAL, FII, ACOS and Awake. No I&W.
Uh, what about WDADU? :)
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I had a real interesting thought last night, regarding all this popularity stuff. I was at the first Yankees-Vs.-Mets-at-Shea game of the season last night, when I noticed something spooky. About 90% of the Yankee-fan chicks I noticed were hot and relatively young. 90% of the Mets-fan chicks I noticed were either less attractive, less young, or sporting some serious jewelry on their left hands. I realized why when Derek Jeter got his first hit last night. These two girls who I swear I would have never even known they were there, stood up and shrieked like they'd been shanked in the ribs. Jeter's second hit prompted the only other peep out of them. The game came down to the last at-bat (the Mets eventually lost. God damn Ramiro Mendoza.) and everyone was standing up and cheering for their team, except these two girls, totally disinterested in the fact that there was a game going on.
It was then that I realized that all these young, attractive chicks were probably Yankee fans because that's the fashionable thing to be a fan of in and around New York. No one has a gigantic Mets logo taking up the whole back window of their car, because no one is a Mets fan just so their friends'll think they're cool. But every Joey Iroc has a gigantic Yankees logo on the back window of his Camaro, or his Monte, or his Mustang. And the chicks go wild. "Oh, he clearly likes what most people like. I must have him."
It sucks having standards. Any single female Mets fans on this list? :)
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