YTSEJAM Digest 5551
Today's Topics:
1) R: YTSEJAM digest 5398
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
2) R: YTSEJAM digest 5397
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
3) R: YTSEJAM digest 5400
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
4) R: YTSEJAM digest 5399
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
5) R: YTSEJAM digest 5402
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
6) R: YTSEJAM digest 5401
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
7) R: YTSEJAM digest 5403
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
8) R: YTSEJAM digest 5404
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
9) R: YTSEJAM digest 5405
by "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
10) Re: Check out Spock's Beard on CDNow
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5405
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
12) DT DVD
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
13) First prog-metal
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5405
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) Jordan in the mix....
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
16) Old School Prog...
by Billy920@webtv.net
17) Fates/QR as Progmetal
by william b henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
18) Re:Queensryche Prog?
by Fett2002@aol.com
19) Regressive??
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
20) Re:V
by cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5550
by Mark van Ketel <mvketel@purmerend.org>
22) McBrain
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
23) What's up with SMPT:e Spec. Ed. on CDNow?
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
24) Re:YTSEJAM digest 5549
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
25) CD length
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
26) vai
by Mike Lawrence <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
27) Re: LTE 2
by "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu>
28) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5550
by IAmClay777@aol.com
29) DT @ Roseland
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
30) Re: DT @ Roseland
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
31) Various thoughts
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
32) Megadeth
by Fett2002@aol.com
33) spock's beard
by "john.petrucci" <john.petrucci@infonie.fr>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:32 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5398
Message-ID: <021f01bff139$2a6bc900$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:31 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5397
Message-ID: <021b01bff139$27f71f80$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:33 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5400
Message-ID: <022701bff139$2fdb6300$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:32 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5399
Message-ID: <022301bff139$2cf13b60$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:35 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5402
Message-ID: <023001bff139$3612e0e0$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:33 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5401
Message-ID: <022901bff139$318e4320$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:36 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5403
Message-ID: <023501bff139$39941860$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:38 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5404
Message-ID: <023c01bff139$3e9efd20$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:39 +0200
From: "Salvatore Maisano" <m.saby@tiscalinet.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: R: YTSEJAM digest 5405
Message-ID: <024301bff139$43778740$9c370b3e@thor>
Excuse me but momently I'm absent... I'll come back in about 3-4 days... =
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:06:26 -0400
From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Cc: <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
Subject: Re: Check out Spock's Beard on CDNow
Message-ID: <NDBBKMFPMKNHENPACFDDAENFCGAA.rpark@space-dye.com>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> I just looked up Spock's Beard on CDNow and saw the hilarious fact
> that they're releasing a new album called "V". Unless they really DO
> have a new album entitled "V" coming out in August, I think that
> either somebody at Metal Blade or CDNow fucked up. :)
You think that's funny, eh? Well, as is said in Scarred, "Well, we're not
laughing." ;-)
I ran into Nick D'Virgilio last night at a drum and keyboard clinic here in
the Washington, D.C. area. It was an Alesis clinic at Chuck Levin's
Washington Music Center out in Wheaton. Very interesting, very cool,
although much more of a marketing pitch. That's OK, though, because I
bought my first keyboard -- an Alesis -- last week.
Anyway, Nick was demoing the "DM Pro Kit" electronic drumset, which sounded
great. After the clinic, a couple of us (the only SB fans in the audience)
stayed to talk with Nick. He was very personable, of course; it felt like I
was talking to a friend-of-a-friend, not a "rock star." Sure enough,
though, he said they've got a new album coming out in August. It's called
"Five," with a great big roman numeral 5 (V) on the front cover. According
to Nick, it's very progressive... it starts off with a a 27-minute epic!
Nick said that the band's going to be looking for a new label soon. It
sounds like they want something that can do more promotion. He thinks they
easily have a few good radio songs. I never would dream of getting prog
rock on the radio these days. But Nick's got a radio-play background, since
he's recorded with artists like Genesis and Sheryl Crow, so he really wants
to be able to get SB on the radio. "June" was mentioned as a potential
radio track, as were "Skin" and "Day For Night" even. (I'm partial to
"Waste Away" myself, though...) At the same time, though, SB realizes that
prog bands and major labels just don't mix. So it didn't sound like they
were sure of the best way to proceed.
Overall, the clinic and chat were a ton of fun; if they're going to be in
your area, I recommend it. Especially if you're a keyboard player.
Ytsejam News. You heard it here, first.
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:50:47 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5405
Message-ID: <002301bff13c$eb4bac00$184636cb@user>
Oh... for the benefit of those who missed it the first 50 times...
apparently Salvatore is momently absent for 3-4 days!!!
N.P:- Vanishing Point - "In Thought"
Paul.
PaulTad@bigpond.com
ICQ:54681951
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"I wave my private parts at your Aunties."
- Monty Python
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:55:35 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT DVD
Message-ID: <003101bff13d$946354a0$184636cb@user>
Having just acquired a DVD player, can anyone advise me on whether or not
"Live In Tokyo" or "5 Years In A Livetime" have been released on DVD??
BTW.... I'm still hopeful for an Aussie tour in my lifetime!!!!
:P
Thanks in advance!!
Paul.
PaulTad@bigpond.com
ICQ:54681951
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"I wave my private parts at your Aunties."
- Monty Python
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:40:17 -0400
From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: First prog-metal
Message-ID: <00e201bff143$d207e9a0$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
>Fates went Prog when they got Ray
>Alder. Listen to Ivory Gate of Dreams. I don't remember anything from
>Watchtower before 1988.
>- Chris
*Me agrees with Ptacek here* :)
- Joe D.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:02:34 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5405
Message-ID: <003901bff146$f34085c0$490d84d0@korg>
> Oh... for the benefit of those who missed it the first 50 times...
> apparently Salvatore is momently absent for 3-4 days!!!
Yup. Good thing he's not in ack mode, eh? :) I could just imagine the 2
for 1 deal we'd get from him with every post, and Skadz not being here to
clean it up. :D Fear to post... fear to post...
-- KorgX3 hides from the auto-spam reply. AHHH!------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:24:14 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Jordan in the mix.... Message-ID: <20000719.012432.-24361.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
All this discussion about Jordan in the "DT formula" I think what Mike meant was his take, apporach, style on everything. Working with a new band mate is like a new pair of underwear at first its constrictive but after a while it becomes a part of you.
ORDERS TO FELLOW JAMMERS: Paul don't think, go to Ny.
Andrew you know what you have to do.
Korg, funny has hell analogy about the square tires..
umm everyone else keep rocking or proggin or whatever it is you do.
Kurt NP-Steve Vai Pasison and warfare (kick ass CD BTW)
"damn I need a new signature now"
me after reading ytsejam 5456
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Billy920@webtv.net To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Old School Prog... Message-ID: <6044-397547A9-11668@storefull-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
...if there is such a thing. Hey JAMmers, Not trying to define prog metal or it's origins, but How long has Maiden been around? PEACE!! Billy. "Look at the head on that thing!!" last nights waitress at the bar :-0
np Trans-Siberian Orchestra I'll keep your secrets (really)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: william b henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Fates/QR as Progmetal Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1000719024116.21922B-100000@liskov>
Nearly from the beginning, Fates Warning was a band that would fit into the progmetal pidgeonhole. Look at "Awaken The Guardian" or "The Spectre Within" -- fantasy/scifi-based lyrics, drastic changes in theme/tempo on the drop of a dime, songs clocking on over 8 minutes in length... In short, everything you could ever want of progmetal albums. In my opinion, this early, Arch-era, Fates sounds more like your stereotypical 'progmetal' than "Parallels" or "Inside Out".
As far as Queensryche being progmetal goes...not really. Their late '80s sound helped define the genre, but they don't exactly meet a lot of the 'qualifications' for membership into progmetal-proper (rarely stray from 4/4 territory, for instance). Queensryche really was (and is) more brainy power metal than progressive metal, like Maiden, Savatage, and many of the other great bands we all know and love (or tolerate, depending on your taste...I like 'em at any rate).
Of course, these judgement calls assume that you buy into the definition of progmetal as something that 'sounds like progmetal' as opposed to the ridiculously vague 'something that progresses' definition. (If that were the case, you could probably argue that every band, aside from the static AC/DC-types of the world, is progressive.)
Brian
[NP...Exodus -- Another Lesson In Violence]
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:59:45 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Queensryche Prog? Message-ID: <4e.87b8edd.26a6abe1@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/19/00 12:29:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Exactly when did Queensryche enter into the prog metal category? Great band, but come'on. Strictly rock...nothing more. Okay I'll spot you parts of 'Mindcrime'. But really. ya daddy >>
It's weird. I never thought of them as being Prog myself before I started subscribing to this list. But, I consider them that now. Midcrime, Rage For Order, and Promised Land are all proggy IMO. Sure, they're not quite as technical probably as other prog bands, but the sound is there. -Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:04:15 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Regressive?? Message-ID: <000f01bff150$4177a120$893736cb@user>
william b henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu> told us that:-
"As far as Queensryche being progmetal goes...not really. Their late '80s sound helped define the genre, but they don't exactly meet a lot of the 'qualifications' for membership into progmetal-proper (rarely stray from 4/4 territory, for instance). Of course, these judgement calls assume that you buy into the definition of progmetal as something that 'sounds like progmetal' as opposed to the ridiculously vague 'something that progresses' definition. (If that were the case, you could probably argue that every band, aside from the static AC/DC-types of the world, is progressive.)" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------
As much as I love QR, always have and hopefully always will, they could never now be labelled as "progressive". Should we now instead label them and other bands that have followed their example as REGRESSIVE?? If so are we witnessing the birth of yet another sub-genre known as "reg-rock"? Hehehehehe.... Just a thought!!
N.P:- The Gathering - "Mandylion"
Paul. PaulTad@bigpond.com ICQ:54681951 -------------------------------------------------------- "I wave my private parts at your Aunties." - Monty Python --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:02:18 +0300 From: cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:V Message-ID: <39756089.A5430B51@x-treme.gr>
>I believe that the "V" is a roman-numeral 5, >since it's their 5th studio album
It could be V for Vendetta too.Maybe they're both Alan Moore fans.
Cass
V.V.V.V.V Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:18:30 +0200 From: Mark van Ketel <mvketel@purmerend.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5550 Message-ID: <39756456.E8FB9DF@purmerend.org>
ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > > YTSEJAM Digest 5550 >
I'd like to unsubscribe from this list.
Mark -- =========================================== ,_ o Name - Mark van Ketel (aka Blizzard) ======= / //\, == E-Mail - mvketel@purmerend.org ======= \>> | ==== Home Page - http://www.purmerend.org/mvketel/ \\, ======
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:16:39 +0100 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: McBrain Message-ID: <397571F7.4B55DE6A@picsel.com>
The mighty Nicko McBrain of Iron Maiden has been saying some nice things about "Michael Portnoy" and "the Theater". Go to http://www.ironmaiden.com/ and read his latest entry in the tour diary.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:28:15 -0400 From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: What's up with SMPT:e Spec. Ed. on CDNow? Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D0409407F@HQEXS01>
>I just logged into CDNow and saw that they have the Special Edition of >SMPT:e on there and thought I'd get it (since it was only 23 bucks), but >then noticed that it's backordered. Does anybody know what the deal is >with this? Are they ever going to get a shipment, or is there somewhere >else I can order this?
>Actually, I'm not even sure there are any left, are there. Should I just >get the regular one?
I ordered the limited edition from CDNow awhile back. It went on backorder for awhile, then I got a notice saying that the order was cancelled, because they no longer carried that title. So I ordered it from Radiant Records (www.radiantrecords.com), and got it in about 1 week. I don't know if they have any left, however.
-Zircon the Blue
"I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wimpy were to snap like a store-brand pretzel and mow down the entire Popeye cast, shouting "It's Tuesday, people! Payback time!'" - The Brunching Shuttlecocks
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Date: 19 Jul 2000 12:32:47 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:YTSEJAM digest 5549 Message-ID: <20000719123247.21437.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>From: welihozkiy <andy@dust.de> >Subject: JP in spotlight? keys competing w/ guitar...
>Message-ID: <39741EF2.DC0C7816@dust.de> > > >>What, and JP doesn't have this problem? This is a guy >>who may claim to be primarily interested in the "song", >>but is rarely happy to do anything that won't nab at >>least a little spotlight. > >Simon, Hmm, I'd like to agree with ya but I've sadly >never seen DT in concert.... >only the IMages Words Video they made. From the little >I've seen of JP play he's anything but out in the spot >light. He kinda just stands there and does his thing.
I meant spotlight in the metaphorical sense. Visually, yes he's pretty much content to be a guitarist rather than a frontman - you'll never see JP walking around on stage with a 20' inflatable microhone emerging from his trousers a la Dave Lee Roth. But as for standing there doing his thing...Well, he does an awful lot of his thing! In the studio, it's not a major problem; but live, he really starts to grate, as anyone who heard the buchery of THE on tour will confirm.
>Now this I think is ludicrous. A blueprint? When I >listen to SFaM I don't hear anything like a formula >hiding behind it....FII, yes formula.....but if >there is formula to SFaM, they did a great job in >covering it up.
This was from MP's interview on Metal Sludge. And of course there's a formula behind it. Just as Shania Twain has a formula of coutry-tinged slide guitars, and band singalongs based around dull, mid-paced acoustic strumathons, does DT. DT has heavy guitars and complex time signatures mixed in with the odd heartfelt melody, some keys solos, and arrangements rather than songs per se. I mean, if you break down Awake verbally, then try the same with SFaM, you have to say exactly the same thing!
~Simon
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Date: 19 Jul 2000 12:36:30 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CD length Message-ID: <20000719123630.24472.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
I think the definitive answer to the all the squabbling is that no matter what brand or kind, a CD will hold approximately twice as much playing time as most bands can fill with interesting music without deploying fillers. ;)
~Simon
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:41:27 +1000 From: Mike Lawrence <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: vai Message-ID: <3975B006.10D74E44@alphalink.com.au>
> Ya got to see Vai live to fully understand and comprehend the above.... > Can I get an Amen!!!
Yer the guys like a living video clip. I always give musicians bonus points for their stage act. As much as I respect players like Holdsworth and them, it just kind of sucks seeing them standing around, looking like they don't want to be there.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:02:38 -0400 From: "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: LTE 2 Message-ID: <000701bff18a$380e37e0$b604b13f@majesty>
Okay, the number of minutes on a CD. Older CD-R's can only hold 74 minutes of audio. Mass produced CD's from the record companies can hold a full 80 minutes, as we have seen with some of Dream Theaters music, nearly using ever second on the disk. Now, if you look at the newer 8, 10, and 12X compatable CD-R disks, you will notice that they have the capacity for 700 megs, rather than the olders 650, and they hole the additional 6 minutes of tunage, that being that there is 80 minutes available. Your burning software will not recognize the extra time, but if you override the space safty feature, you can get the extra 50 megs and 6 minutes from the disk. There are some programs out there that will or should soon have an updates so that you can see the extra space without hassle. Talk to you all later. Joe
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:04:18 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5550 Message-ID: <9.8324089.26a71d72@aol.com>
<< Ya got to see Vai live to fully understand and comprehend the above.... Can I get an Amen!!! >>
I usually wouldn't support a supporter of my own point, but "amen." :-)
<< I respectfully submit that Metallica's "...And Justice For All", released in 1988, was prog metal. Discuss. >>
Uhm, yeah, I can sorta see that. I think, though, there are two flaws with what you're saying. One, the bass is almost inaudible because James and Lars wrote all of Jason's parts... Which for the most parts are EXACT doubles (Not even an octave lower, but exact doubles) of the guitar parts, which means that the guitars are actually tripled. Second, I think the proper label for this album would be "What prog metal would be like without keyboards," as it does miss that certain ambience that keyboards can establish. However, I don't like this album much, because the production is terrible (Ironic since it's the same guy who did Master, which has the best production of all Metallica discs) and because it's played flat, without any energy at all. Since then James has said he hates playing AJFA live; ok, then why the fuck did you write it? This album, seems to me, a failed experiment.
<< Oh, and you were only partially right....he plays guitar, keyboards AND sings at the same time. :-) "Nonkertompf", damn that was amazing during his solo spot. (Further proving Vai's non-spotlight-grabbing, he gives band members solo spots, plenty of time to shine.). Speaking of Vai's touring band, anyone else see Mike Mangini's drum kits on Ebay? The Pearl set used for the Ultra-Zone recordings and the Remo set used on the Fire Garden recording/tour. >>
Respectfully withdrawn. Yes, he does sing, that multitalented bastard. :-) And he wears this pinstriped suit onstage that is literally totally soaked with sweat at the end of the show... THose guys all give amazing performances. Speaking of Mike Mangini, I have some of his drumsticks! (Signed, even...) When I saw Vai it was on Thanksgiving last year, and during his drum solo Mike played parts of it one-handed while eating a giant turkey drumstick! He definitely gets some credit for that. What do you guys think of Dave Weiner? He had this weird solo where he included little bits of Russian folk dances... SImilar to the way JP includes Tarantella and FotB in his bullshit exercises.... :-) I mean come on, the OiaL solo has some cool parts, but you can't tell me it's not random bullshit (And say that it still adheres to a musical structure; that's not the point).
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:36:05 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: Ytse Love-In <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT @ Roseland Message-ID: <20000719113605.B7643@optical.mindstorm.com>
WTF has happened to this list? I've made some wonderful, life-long friends because I've been on this list, and I've been turned on to some incredible music, also. But let's face it, I joined this list for Dream Theater information. The Ytsejam used to be one-stop shopping. All the news came here first. Now we're like the bastard child. That blows.
Well, here's a message to my fellow New York jammers who haven't had time to search through the 4-point print on the official web site. Tickets for 8/30/00 Roseland go on sale on line tomorrow (through TicketShafter) at 12:00 noon. And the 8/31/00 CPI show has, according to dt.net, been cancelled. No explanation given.
New Yorkers - the Roseland show is a Wednesday night, which blows, but it promises to be one of the best of the tour. So, let's start planning a pre-show/post-show *now*, while we still have a month to do it.
Everyone: Let's get more information flowing here, huh?
-d NP: The Police/Live!
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:42:58 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT @ Roseland Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000719114239.00b29560@pop.ecosoft.com>
Isn't the Roseland show the one where they are playing 2 sets and recording it for a possible live DVD ?
At 08:44 AM 7/19/00 -0700, Digital Man wrote:
>WTF has happened to this list? I've made some wonderful, life-long >friends because I've been on this list, and I've been turned on to >some incredible music, also. But let's face it, I joined this list >for Dream Theater information. The Ytsejam used to be one-stop >shopping. All the news came here first. Now we're like the bastard >child. That blows. > >Well, here's a message to my fellow New York jammers who haven't had >time to search through the 4-point print on the official web site. >Tickets for 8/30/00 Roseland go on sale on line tomorrow (through >TicketShafter) at 12:00 noon. And the 8/31/00 CPI show has, according >to dt.net, been cancelled. No explanation given. > >New Yorkers - the Roseland show is a Wednesday night, which blows, but >it promises to be one of the best of the tour. So, let's start >planning a pre-show/post-show *now*, while we still have a month to do >it. > >Everyone: Let's get more information flowing here, huh? > >-d >NP: The Police/Live! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough > d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates > cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Various thoughts Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0007191329090.18367-100000@gs.bass.org>
Pellaz plugged: > [personal website contained in sig]
I thought his name looked familiar and visiting his site clinched it. I've been working my way [when I have time] through a compilation entitled Tales of the White Wolf: a group of short stories about Mike Moorcock's Elric character written by other authors, including Pellaz. Do finish that story about the party soon.
Korg: >Submitting someone to the tortures of a MacIntosh.
I have now lost all respect for Mr. X3. ::Pulls Apple out of pocket and takes a big bite out of it.::
Admittedly, the current trend is phasing Macs/Power PCs out of circulation, but I remember and cherish my roots. Aaah, that Apple II+ used to be the coolest damn thing. Back when Hard Hat Mack and Lode Runner were hot.
Cout: >and found my DT XMas CD
Which reminds me: I have an extra one now. Anyone who has not yet received their own, if you still haven't within a week, I'll send you my extra.
paul, still debating whether to go to see DT on 8/5 at the 9:30. NP Utopia: Live in Tokyo 79 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul's Bimonthly Musical Quote:
You can't say no to hope, can't say no to happiness
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:01:28 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Megadeth Message-ID: <c0.69be768.26a75508@aol.com>
If anyone wants mp3s of 2 new Megadeth songs (as performed live) here they are: <A HREF="http://www.kazrog.com/megadeth/">http://www.kazrog.com/megadeth/< /A> has "Return to Hangar"
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/nosgoth/">http://www.geocities.com/nosgo th/</A> has "Kill the King"
-Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:01:12 +0200 From: "john.petrucci" <john.petrucci@infonie.fr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: spock's beard Message-ID: <200007191917.VAA23707@transmail2.infosources.fr>
Hi all! Can someone talk me about Spock's Beard, please. I saw them in Paris (the 4th April 2000), They played just before DT, and it was very good... Thanks.
Fred (French DT fan) Derf's Dream Theater Page (my new DT site): http://www.chez.com/metropolis2dre amtheater
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