YTSEJAM Digest 5554
Today's Topics:
1) Yes Concert
by Amy Van Wynsberghe <av909596@excite.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5553
by Fett2002@aol.com
3) Kindred Spirits playing problem
by Gerardo Carstensen <gercarst@yahoo.com>
4) Kindred Spirits playing problem
by Gerardo Carstensen <gercarst@yahoo.com>
5) hsotnIcaM
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Re: MacKorg
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
7) Queensryche prog again
by CeaSerin@aol.com
8) Rudess' early work
by CeaSerin@aol.com
9) Re: Galactic Cowboys recommendation
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) Beginnings of Prog-Metal
by AURACLE@aol.com
11) Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom
by EvoReaper@aol.com
12) Re: ticketbastard
by "Michele" <michele@johndoe.org>
13) Mapquest
by Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com>
14) Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom
by "Michele" <michele@johndoe.org>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5553
by Alex V Ramos <tazzola@juno.com>
16) Re:ytsejam 5553
by cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
17) Re:James can't read
by cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
18) Re:Jeff Beck
by cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
19) Re: ticketbastard
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
20) Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
21) derek/jordan
by Jonathan Roberts <danthar@yahoo.com>
22) Computers: Mac vs. PC
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy Van Wynsberghe <av909596@excite.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Yes Concert
Message-ID: <24911077.964137439480.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com>
Digital Man asked
> NP: Yes/Tales From Topographic Oceans (Mike, how was the show?)
>
I'm not Mike, but IMO it ROCKED!!! one of the best concerts that I have ever
seen, second to Rush and right there even with Jethro Tull.
They were right on with all their music and the visual effects were super.
Definitly a don't miss show.
However I was slightly disappointed with Kansas. The second vocalist just
didn't cut it. The lead vocalist/violin player went up on the lawn to watch
the Yes concert after Kansas finished!!
Amy
If you choose not to decide,
You still have made a choice.
Rush
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:04:26 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5553
Message-ID: <68.5a67805.26a8ed8a@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/20/00 7:30:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Derek 's gone forever
Only memories remain...
He passssssssssssssssed away
He was sooooo young
>Jordan is GOD.
>END OF DISCUSSION!!!! >>
Okay then!
-Mike C.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:17:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gerardo Carstensen <gercarst@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kindred Spirits playing problem
Message-ID: <20000721001730.27214.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi!
I´m trying to figure out how Petrucci plays and what
notes he plays in that sweep picking part of Kindred
Spirits (LTE1) (in the part like a small bridge that
sounds like "adventure game").
I don´t have right here the exact CD time when he
plays it, I hope someone can
understand about which part I´m talking!
I´ve already checked the Tab in the Official DT page,
but I think it´s not accurate. Also, if someone plays
it like it is written, please tell me how you do it.
(I´m not good in sweep picking!).
Any help will be appreciated!
Thanks
Gerardo Carstensen.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:17:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gerardo Carstensen <gercarst@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kindred Spirits playing problem
Message-ID: <20000721001728.29047.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi!
I´m trying to figure out how Petrucci plays and what
notes he plays in that sweep picking part of Kindred
Spirits (LTE1) (in the part like a small bridge that
sounds like "adventure game").
I don´t have right here the exact CD time when he
plays it, I hope someone can
understand about which part I´m talking!
I´ve already checked the Tab in the Official DT page,
but I think it´s not accurate. Also, if someone plays
it like it is written, please tell me how you do it.
(I´m not good in sweep picking!).
Any help will be appreciated!
Thanks
Gerardo Carstensen.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:54:49 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: hsotnIcaM
Message-ID: <002701bff2ae$6d5bd770$8c0d84d0@korg>
> And usually I tell them, "Well, remember what I said before? So leave
> me alone and ask Korg if you need help with your Windoze shit."
hahahah. Ignorant user are ignorant users. :) Regardless of what OS
they're on, they're going to fuck something up. I seldom run into PC
problems anymore. The last one I ran into was because they used a capital
"r" in their username to log onto their ISP when they should have used a
lowercase. *shrug* but, then, I build all of my co-workers'/friends'
machines myself, install Windows >right<, and teach them how to use them
>right,< and Bam! Problems just vanish. :)
I'll admit, Mac's are great for business level artistic presentation
stuff, but they suck for entertainment purposes. I mean, come on, all
work and no play makes Mac users fucking boring people. :)
And if you say that you find play away from your computer, you're going to
really, really make me feel pathetic. :D
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:34:53 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: MacKorg Message-ID: <002701bff2bc$41c869d0$e7252ac4@mukau>
]From: "Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror" <TheMirror@dtifc.com> Subject: MacKorg
> Usually people walk the low road and choose to save some bucks and > pester me for the following days with all sort of stupid questions > like "my ISDN card isn't working", "it worked, but now my scanner's > dead", "I just clicked on YES and now it isn't booting anymore", or, > my favorite, "you're telling me that the only way to make this work > again is to reinstall Windows 98 and ALL my applications??"
hehe people who use win98 are almost as foolish as people who use macs. you need to use a real OS like at least winNT or win2k. linux if you can handle it but i'm the first to admit that i can't, i gave it a shot but it was too much work to learn an entire new OS... its easy to use badly but to learn how to really know your way around it takes a long time, and really win2k is fine as far as im concerned, my machine has been running 89 days without a restart. i pretty much never have problems with it. it's like korg says, if youre stupid you can fuck up any OS, some are just more durable than others :)
> Anyway, this really doesn't belong here. Couldn't resist anyway bwhahaha.....
yeah well, umm, i g0t a reAllY ko0l dReaM thEatRe waLlPapeR f0r wIn2k, iT doEsnT suPpoRt wiN98 tH0ugh s0 aLl yOu lamErz are scro0d! god damn that was annoying to type. sigh and i used to be able to type like that all the time... my 31337 hax0r skillz have faded with time... hehe ok so now i think its ridiculous that i used to type in alternating caps, but now i find people yelling at me because i type in all lowercase for the same reason. i really dont think its the same thing. besides, all lowercase is better because its just easier to not use the shift key. :) moo.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:43:55 EDT From: CeaSerin@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Queensryche prog again Message-ID: <b9.51e9e66.26a904db@aol.com>
I agree with you guys about the two different ways of thinking. Very good points by all. I can see how there is the one way of looking at prog as having longer songs and more technical than others (in many respects). So, I can see where you all are coming from. I guess we can all agree in putting them in the "melodic metal" catagory.
J. Lamm www.mp3.com/CeaSerin
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:47:03 EDT From: CeaSerin@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Rudess' early work Message-ID: <71.51788e6.26a90597@aol.com>
Man, i sure am glad that everyone is ga ga over Rudess. I might be stating the obvious here, but just in case you didn't know and want to: Jordan did some awesome work with Vinnie Moore on his Time Odyssey album.
damn, I hope it was Time Odyssey. I'm pretty sure it was.
J. Lamm <A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/CeaSerin">www.mp3.com/CeaSerin</A>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:53:42 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys recommendation Message-ID: <13.84e9722.26a90726@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/20/00 6:06:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan_estrada@bigfoot.com writes:
<< Hi there, I would like someone to talk about Galactic Cowboys and which album would be the best to purchase as a first... >>
You can't go wrong with their self-entitled debut album, or their second album "Space In Your Face," one of my all-time favorites. However, they might be hard to find. If so, check out "At the End of the Day" or their last and final album "Let It Go" which is also very good. "The Horse That Bud Bought" is okay, in my opinion. A good album, but they could've done better. And stay away from "Machine Fish" unless you like straight-forward, unimaginative metal which seems like they made it to appease Metal Blade on their first album with them.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:02:22 EDT From: AURACLE@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Beginnings of Prog-Metal Message-ID: <44.5a5191e.26a9173e@aol.com>
Hi all...
Emerging from lurk mode once again to weigh in on this topic, which is always fun because it's always so hotly contested. Now, as much as I love Dream Theater - they ARE my favorite band, without question - there's absolutely no way anyone with a knowledge of rock history could possibly say they "invented" the prog-metal genre. To me, the roots of prog-metal go way back to the early and mid-1970s, and two bands which shared the same gifted guitarist: Deep Purple and Rainbow. It was Ritchie Blackmore's innovative fusion of classical influences with heavy rock that paved the way for prog-metal, at least in terms of the guitar/keyboard duels and extended solos that have come to be such a central part of the genre. Look no further than such classics as "Rainbow Rising," "Long Live Rock 'n' Roll" and especially "Live on Stage" to find many of the main ingredients of prog-metal. I would also credit bands like Jethro Tull and Kansas as pioneers of the genre, blending hard rock crunch with instrumental sophistication on such influential works as "Thick as a Brick" and "Song for America." Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath were also way more progressive, IMO, than many give them credit for being. "Achilles' Last Stand" and "Spiral Architect" are but two examples of this.
I also believe that one would have to credit Ulrich Roth, Michael Schenker and Randy Rhoads as the fathers of the neo-classical metal guitar style, which has come to play an important role in prog-metal as well. And certainly at least some of the work of King Crimson, the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Al DiMeola and the Dixie Dregs demonstrates an understanding of how to blend high volume and energy with instrumental virtuosity, which would help to explain why they have often been cited as major influences by many prog-metal bands.
Thoughts? Post 'em to the Jam, or feel free to E-mail me directly.
Thanks for reading.
-- Jeff :^)
NP: Kansas - "Leftoverture"
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:28:13 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom Message-ID: <f6.110b2f7.26a91d4d@aol.com>
Hey everyone. Got my ticket today for the Roseland show. Once again, I will be at the place at 11:30am, or before.
There gonna be a big DT group following party kinda thing or what? Last Feb 26th we had a mini-sing along in the front of the line, (Ha, and Mike called me crazy because I stood on my feet for 14 +hours to see/meet the band. 11:30am-2:15am when I left, only to get back to Staten Island at 6am, then leave to Manhattan an hour later to board an Amtrack for 8am....).
Maybe we can organize a block long sing along....
I know I'm up for anything but leaving my spot. Bad enough some asshole tried cutting in front of me because he had invisible backstage passes, thankfully to a lovely woman who I regret not getting her e-mail adress, grabbed the guy and let me in first, if your on the 'Jam, thanks :-)
Warm Regards, Andy
BTW-I'll tell ya now, I'll be wearing my signed FII tour hat, uhhh....I've got 5 earings..um...glasses, I'm a guy...anyways...let's get something arranged!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:50:45 -0400 From: "Michele" <michele@johndoe.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: ticketbastard Message-ID: <008b01bff2cf$3db83e20$b9401840@smartworld.net>
hmm. i opted for the "will call window" was that a bad move on my part?
~*~*~ an island of calm. . . http://johndoe.org/islandofcalm ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Robb Muise To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: ticketbastard
I just bought a ticket for Roseland..
40 friggin $
25 ticket 5.75 service charge 3.00 one time handling fee 6.25 postage, since they are not mailing these tickets out and your options are 3 day ups or will call... and after the last show sold out, i'll pass on the will call window.
At 09:00 AM 7/20/00 -0700, Digital Man wrote:
>Oh, and I'm glad to see that both the label and Ticketmaster are up on >current events. Their photo of the band is the post-Kevin, pre-Derek >one of the four guys in that parking garage or whatever that thing is >in the Lie video. > >No info on CPI easily found through Ticketmaster or through google. >Still searching for yes or no on that show. >-d > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough > d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates > cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mapquest Message-ID: <20000721050312.24020.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com>
Hi Eric-
I always use http://www.randmcnally.com for directions. It hasn't failed me yet, but I'm nowhere near Philly so I can't speak to directions there...
Lyle
Go here for DT live goodies... http://www.geocities.com/lyle_k
Original Message: hey, does anyone know if the directions to the electric factory in philly are correct from "mapquest"? i thought i remembered someone getting screwed when they tried to get there to see satch a little while back. should i rely on those directions, or should i get them from somewhere else. thanks.
-eric
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:08:09 -0400 From: "Michele" <michele@johndoe.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom Message-ID: <00a801bff2d1$ac029400$b9401840@smartworld.net>
hmm.. if we all get together perhaps we can all keep each other's spots.. nobody would dare cut in front of a group of us 'jamers.. right? :-)
(or maybe i'm just wide eyed and innocent.. heh.) ~*~*~*~ an island of calm. . . http://johndoe.org/islandofcalm ----- Original Message ----- ]From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom
Hey everyone. Got my ticket today for the Roseland show. Once again, I will be at the place at 11:30am, or before.
There gonna be a big DT group following party kinda thing or what? Last Feb 26th we had a mini-sing along in the front of the line, (Ha, and Mike called me crazy because I stood on my feet for 14 +hours to see/meet the band. 11:30am-2:15am when I left, only to get back to Staten Island at 6am, then leave to Manhattan an hour later to board an Amtrack for 8am....).
Maybe we can organize a block long sing along....
I know I'm up for anything but leaving my spot. Bad enough some asshole tried cutting in front of me because he had invisible backstage passes, thankfully to a lovely woman who I regret not getting her e-mail adress, grabbed the guy and let me in first, if your on the 'Jam, thanks :-)
Warm Regards, Andy
BTW-I'll tell ya now, I'll be wearing my signed FII tour hat, uhhh....I've got 5 earings..um...glasses, I'm a guy...anyways...let's get something arranged!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:09:05 -0400 From: Alex V Ramos <tazzola@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5553 Message-ID: <20000721.020907.-134231.0.tazzola@juno.com>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:43:07 +0300 From: cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:ytsejam 5553 Message-ID: <3977F0FB.C93EC6AA@x-treme.gr>
>I would sooner include bands such as Soundgarden and Tool in the prog >camp than Queensryche. (And I'm hesitant to call those two "prog" >either.)
One could say they both have some prog elements.Very few though. Some songs on BadMotorFinger mostly.But Tool,i can't really say. Maybe progressive as composers but not as actual music players. Their music lacks the technicallity that charectirizes most current prog bands.Unless this was never an actual element of the spoken genre in the first place. Could one say that Tool is pop?Radiohead is considered to be pop and they're both similarly unlike to anything other i've heard in the last decade (very subjective here).And both would certainly be done wrong with if labeled in any way (quite objective methinks).
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:15:32 +0300 From: cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:James can't read Message-ID: <3977F894.8241FA01@x-treme.gr>
>Cass: >>he had them written down on paper,and stuck them somewhere >the >>crowd couldn't see.
>But--how could he read the lyrics from there? :O
They were written in really,really,really BIG letters.I believe i got one of three pages.
SPOILER(or something) >Funny part: James came on stage late to sing One Last Time. >So the crowd started singing it. After about 2 lines James came in >and said "very nice" to the crowd, but he seemes a bit pissed, like >"hey, don't go singin' my parts". So he started singing it from the >beginning. hehe
I believe he did that here too.And I thought we had come in early. Makes sense.
>"you're telling me that the only way to make this work >again is to reinstall Windows 98 and ALL my applications??"
Let's not forget a disc format.But then again,what's your point? :) Fact is,that when your pc has some many problems you learn to deal with them very quickly,and generally learn an awful lot about computers. So you could say that windows crashing all the time is part of the MS user educational program(MSUEP,of course,any mac user like Steffen will deny this program's existence,don't fall for that cheap an argument). See?They do care about users after the cheque clears!
"they're going to trick you into...apple treatment...oh don't listen to them say...shush the all away..." Kyuss-the Demon Cleaner (ok,not quite...)
cass
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:20:24 +0300 From: cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Jeff Beck Message-ID: <3977EBA7.47409113@x-treme.gr>
> What's wrong with Jeff Beck? OK, he's a bit grouchy, but he's still >an >awesome guitarist.
Exactly,there's nothing wrong with Jeff Beck,an awsome guitarist to say the least. But what the speakers were playing was Beck Hansen.I don't have a better word to describe his music than pop.I like Beck Hansen too(and something tells me that the rest on that concert or on this list do not share my opinion),but not at all times and occasions.Some things just don't mix well.Just like punk and prog or cheese and fish IMHO.One could like both individually,but not together. Discuss...(NOT!)
cass np:Beck Hansen-Mutations
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: ticketbastard Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0007210728070.14351-100000@barrel.dt.ecosoft.com>
Last Time I saw them at the Roseland, they were sold out. The line wrapped around 3 city blocks. This is why I chose not to do the iwll call. I can't imagine the line for the window when there is only 2 shipping options.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Michele wrote:
> > hmm. i opted for the "will call window" was that a bad move on my part? > > ~*~*~ > an island of calm. . . > http://johndoe.org/islandofcalm > ----- Original Message ----- > ]From: Robb Muise > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: ticketbastard > > > > I just bought a ticket for Roseland.. > > > 40 friggin $ > > 25 ticket > 5.75 service charge > 3.00 one time handling fee > 6.25 postage, since they are not mailing these tickets out and your options > are 3 day ups or will call... and after the last show sold out, i'll pass > on the will call window. > > > At 09:00 AM 7/20/00 -0700, Digital Man wrote: > > >Oh, and I'm glad to see that both the label and Ticketmaster are up on > >current events. Their photo of the band is the post-Kevin, pre-Derek > >one of the four guys in that parking garage or whatever that thing is > >in the Lie video. > > > >No info on CPI easily found through Ticketmaster or through google. > >Still searching for yes or no on that show. > >-d > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough > > d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates > > cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > > http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0007210729560.14351-100000@barrel.dt.ecosoft.com>
I'm all open for a pre show get together, especially since ip'll be getting in to the city in the early afternoon as a result of crashing in a hotel arfter the connecticut show.
Anyone have any thoughts on where we can all meet? I didn't meet up with any of ya'all last show because I had my (ex)girlfriend with me.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Michele wrote:
> > hmm.. if we all get together perhaps we can all keep each other's spots.. > nobody would dare cut in front of a group of us 'jamers.. right? :-) > > (or maybe i'm just wide eyed and innocent.. heh.) > ~*~*~*~ > an island of calm. . . > http://johndoe.org/islandofcalm > ----- Original Message ----- > ]From: EvoReaper@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: Aug 30th-2000 Roseland Ballroom > > > > Hey everyone. Got my ticket today for the Roseland show. > Once again, I will be at the place at 11:30am, or before. > > There gonna be a big DT group following party kinda thing or what? > Last Feb 26th we had a mini-sing along in the front of the line, (Ha, and > Mike called me crazy because I stood on my feet for 14 +hours to see/meet > the > band. 11:30am-2:15am when I left, only to get back to Staten Island at 6am, > then leave to Manhattan an hour later to board an Amtrack for 8am....). > > Maybe we can organize a block long sing along.... > > I know I'm up for anything but leaving my spot. Bad enough some asshole > tried > cutting in front of me because he had invisible backstage passes, thankfully > to a lovely woman who I regret not getting her e-mail adress, grabbed the > guy > and let me in first, if your on the 'Jam, thanks :-) > > Warm Regards, > Andy > > BTW-I'll tell ya now, I'll be wearing my signed FII tour hat, uhhh....I've > got 5 earings..um...glasses, I'm a guy...anyways...let's get something > arranged! > >
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robb Muise "An it harm none, do as ye will" Escalations Manager Shore.net Network Operations Center Email:robbm@shore.net Phone:781-593-3110 ext181 Cell Phone: 978-884-6423
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Roberts <danthar@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: derek/jordan Message-ID: <20000721114535.23822.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:00:15 +0200 ]From: "john.petrucci" <john.petrucci@infonie.fr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: jordan/derek Message-ID: <200007202117.XAA28577@transmail2.infosources.fr>
Derek 's gone forever Only memories remain...
Jordan is GOD. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:37:25 -0500 From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Computers: Mac vs. PC Message-ID: <20000721083725.D65725@enteract.com>
This is silly. Macs are not "more artistic." A condition of art is that it's made by humans for humans. But semantics aside,
Macs can perform marginally better. They have been known for their place in the audio and visual design world (for print and graphic design, not animation) They are more fool proof but less stable (for recording, in my experience) and infinitely less secure (they make Win95 look GOOD). They don't offer good multi user setups, meaning if you're working with Audio, you need the Mac to be used solely for Audio apps, if you want the kind of performance you can get with a PC.
PCs are cheaper. They are customizable There is now MUCH more software for PC in just the Audio/Visual world itself. There are very few pieces of software out there in these fields that don't have a PC version that runs as well or better. There are vastly more user configurations possible You and REALLY run Linux or BeOS etc (you don't have to jump through the Mac hoops to do it) You are more compatible with the rest of the world (this is a field in which conformity is vital, IMO) There are now more Audio hardware solutions for PC (and even the Mac flagship ProTools, including their top of the line TDM systems are available for PC) Lastly, if you're a student and can't afford to get fucked by the software manufacturers, you can try out programs like Cakewalk, Cubase, Logic, etc before you buy it to see which one is right for you. There is next to no Mac warez.
That's about all I have to say. Take it with a grain of salt. --
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
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