YTSEJAM Digest 5364
Today's Topics:
1) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
2) cool guitar related jazz to check out
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
3) joey j
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) Traci Lords
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
5) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
6) Jazz Guitarists.Re: YTSEJAM digest 5363
by Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
7) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
8) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
9) Moving towards the future
by "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
10) Re: Ignorance and talent
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
11) Re: guns, nazis, society murders etc.
by Matej <izolit@siol.net>
12) pro wrastling
by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
13) Dan 'G I Joe' Costello
by Matej <izolit@siol.net>
14) i shot the sheriff...
by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
15) gazhoooooooooooolio
by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
16) NIGHTWISH 3rd CD information
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
17) atlanta gig
by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
18) guns (sorry)
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5363
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
20) Cutting in and other random brain farts
by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
21) Atl. show
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:31:25 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Message-ID: <200003021032.FAA18592@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> > Why does anyone need a gun ?
>
> What's the difference? You take someone's gun away, they'll use a
> knife. Take their knife away they'll use their bare-hands. Guns are
> simply blamed the most simply because they're the most deadly tool.
> Besides, I would be willing to bet that if you took guns away from the
> average citizen here in the States, crime would nearly double. Guns
> will still be available to whoever wants them. It would just be
> another social problem just like drugs, only people would start
> killing each other for their guns. :P The criminals would have the
> guns and have alot less to fear knowing that John Q. Public didn't
> have his .38 special in his nightstand anymore.
You still didn't answer my question, why does anyone need a gun ?
Why do American's in particular seem to have a facination with
guns ? And feel the need to own one ?
I really don't know why, perhaps it's part of the American culture ?
gaz
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:34:25 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: cool guitar related jazz to check out
Message-ID: <38BE2790.3305284A@alphalink.com.au>
For the person who asked about guitar related jazz.
Heres some quick reviews of stuff you might like.
John McLaughlin - best fusion guitarist (possibly best overall guitarist) no
question about it.
His best stuff was done back in the 70s with Mahivishnu Orchestra, Shakti and
Santana,
but pretty much anything of his you get is guarranteed to kick ass.
Al DiMeola- Some people hate him. Others (like me) love him. Probably the fast
guitarist ever.
Most of his stuff has a spanish/latiny sort of vibe.
Allan Holdsworth - I find it very, very, very difficult finding any of this guys
stuff but what I have
heard is cool.
Pat Metheny - You gotta love this guy.
George Benson - Lots of commercial/poppy stuff but a great guitarist.
Going back into more traditional jazz youve got
Wes Montgomery - a personal favourite. A unique and beautiful guitar player.
Django Reinhard - awsome shredder from pre 50s.
Joe Pass - this guy is incredible. he plays solo jazz guitar (chord melody)
Paco de Lucia - not really jazz but Im sure youll like him anyway.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:39:18 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: joey j
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB58A7@ms.kallback.com>
He did write an autobiography,
A Cure for Gravity: A Musical Pilgrimage,
which I haven't read, but is supposedly
pretty good. He also recently released
an instrumental cd called Symphony No. 1.
I really like it, but I'm a huge JJ fan
so I could be a little biased.
Trevor has 16 JJ cds.
Writing books, or something.
-Brian
> Yes! Joe Jackson rules! What is he up to lately?
> Steve Z
>> We are young, but getting old before our time
>> -Joe Jackson
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:28:54 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Traci Lords
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC4A1F@julia.um.be>
dthomas wrote...
>> I have heard some of the Traci Lords CD, though. And it's about what
you'd
>> expect it to sound like.
Traci Lords ? I thought she was an totally fifferent kind of business. Also
with all kinds of vocal noises, but singing ???
Is it the same girl ???
HeinV
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:40:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Message-ID: <20000302094031.3601.qmail@web501.mail.yahoo.com>
> I really don't know why, perhaps it's part of the
> American culture ?
Why do Americans actually drink and smoke, unlike
those damn Euros (and I mean actually *inhale* when
they smoke and drink *real* alcohol). It's part of
our heritage. I don't totally understand the mindset,
but a big part of my country's history and founding
involved a gun in some capacity or another. What I
don't get is why all those damn Euros have that smug
fucking superior attitude about everything when
America has bailed them out of more scraps than was
seen in their previous history. Just don't get it.
But ah well, maybe it's part of their culture to bite
the hand that protects them. Go fig!
=====
*Trent
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:40:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Jazz Guitarists.Re: YTSEJAM digest 5363
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1000302094003.7767A-100000@usr09.primenet.com>
Let us not forget the immortal Joe Pas and Mike Stern. Very Necessary.
Be well.
Matt B
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:34:59 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Message-ID: <200003021236.HAA21556@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> Why do Americans actually drink and smoke, unlike
> those damn Euros (and I mean actually *inhale* when
> they smoke and drink *real* alcohol). It's part of
> our heritage. I don't totally understand the mindset,
> but a big part of my country's history and founding
> involved a gun in some capacity or another. What I
> don't get is why all those damn Euros have that smug
> fucking superior attitude about everything when
> America has bailed them out of more scraps than was
> seen in their previous history. Just don't get it.
> But ah well, maybe it's part of their culture to bite
> the hand that protects them. Go fig!
I've never noticed that from Europeans......
Actually from the Americans I have met during my
travels in the Navy, I've found them to have the
'we are the USA and we are bigger and better than
you' attitude, more than any other nationality.
Most of the Europeans I've met have been very cool, friendly
relaxed and generally down to earth.
gaz
My Homepage
The Instruments Of Random Progress
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam
Reviews & Interviews
http://www.renegade2K.com
My Footwear
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam/livecd's.htm
'If you don't have a sense of humour or are too stupid
to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't
give a shit'
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 05:03:09 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302110309.0174f7a4@pi-r-squared.com>
At 01:54 AM 3/2/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>> I really don't know why, perhaps it's part of the
>> American culture ?
>
>Why do Americans actually drink and smoke, unlike
>those damn Euros (and I mean actually *inhale* when
>they smoke and drink *real* alcohol). It's part of
>our heritage. I don't totally understand the mindset,
>but a big part of my country's history and founding
>involved a gun in some capacity or another. What I
>don't get is why all those damn Euros have that smug
>fucking superior attitude about everything when
>America has bailed them out of more scraps than was
>seen in their previous history. Just don't get it.
>But ah well, maybe it's part of their culture to bite
>the hand that protects them. Go fig!
Actually, from my experience, it's cuz the Americans are always shoving it
in their face at every opportunity and flaunting OUR superiority. There's
not a day that goes by without some politician, business-man, or reporter
talking about how much better we are then every other country in the world.
Personally, it gets on my nerves, and I'm an American! Down with imperialism!
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him
for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the
opportunity."
-Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:16:58 +0100
From: "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Moving towards the future
Message-ID: <200003021049.CAA16500@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Hello!
On 1 Mar 00, at 9:36, Tim Detman wrote:
> i didn't realize that nobody is allowed to mention world war 2 just
> because it is in the past. so what you are saying is that everytime som=
ebody
> mentions world war 2, the relations between the u.s. germany get worse?!
No, I=B4m not saying that and I think you know that. What I meant is the W=
AY
you talk about WW2! Both of us know that there was very much shit
happening in WW2, especially over here in Germany, everybody knows that.
But as I said that has been in the past. Why has the 2nd generation after
WW2 still to be reminded of the cruelties their grandfathers did while bei=
ng
commanded by Hitler? Why have these things to be brought up again, while
talking to people who surely cannot be blamed for what the nazis did back
then?
> he was just using the ww2 reference as a metaphore. he didn't say that
> it
> was a good thing. he didn't say he loves the bombing of germany. he
> said
> nazi germany. that is what the allies were fighting against in world wa=
r
Thats exactly the point! What I cannot understand is why someone would
use such a metaphor in a musical context, a review of a concert! Can you
tell me why? What=B4s the sense? Provocation?
My problem is that I think it really sucks, that there are many people (in=
America, but also in other countries) who, when they hear that I am from
Germany, think (and also often say!): "Look that fucking nazi from nazi
germany!" THATs the real problem, which definitely cannot be solved by
making such comments like your friend did.
It may be true that there are still some stupid people in Germany, who thi=
nk
that everything what happened back then was ok, but that=B4s definitely no=
t my
opinion and of course not the opinion of most of the people over here! Tho=
se
people are a minority and they always will be and have to be one. I dont t=
hink
they can ever be wiped out completely but why giving them a chance?
> maybe you are a nazi and got offended, i don't know.
Why do you think Im a nazi??? That=B4s exactly the point I mentioned above=
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