YTSEJAM Digest 5365
Today's Topics:
1) Dr. Evil...
by "M. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
2) RE: re: spree
by "Pat Sullivan" <sullys@mediaone.net>
3) Homer on Guns (Absolutely NDTC)
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
4) Re: Traci Lords
by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
5) YOU WANT SUMMA THIS??????????? heheheheh
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) RE: Nationalist snobbery
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5363
by "Adam Yarter" <jaguirre@ix.netcom.com>
8) Re: Nationalist snobbery
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
9) Only In America
by "Adam Yarter" <jaguirre@ix.netcom.com>
10) I could never see clearly at all, because I couldn't look past my own
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
11) Re: Atlanta show
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
12) Guns
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
13) Re: Nationalist snobbery
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Leeeeave the past behiiiiyiyiyiyind!!!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) guns
by Kim Howatt <Kim_Howatt@kleinschmidt.com>
16) Is the Doc on hir period or something?
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
17) banning criminals rocks
by Kim Howatt <Kim_Howatt@kleinschmidt.com>
18) Re: Third World Europeans
by TmWhi@cs.com
19) Those damn europeans!!!
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
20) Guns N' Jazzers
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
21) In memoriam Dan
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
22) Ibeenhads...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:43:44 -0500
From: "M. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
To: "Ytse Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Dr. Evil...
Message-ID: <001301bf844d$54819570$040310ac@pwcg.com>
did anyone get a decent recording of the music that OFB was playing while
all of the dr. evil images were on the screens? i'd really appreciate it if
someone could send me (or tell me where to find) an mp3 of this bit of
music...
thanks in advance...
mikE emerson
cthulhu@cybernex.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:00 -0500
From: "Pat Sullivan" <sullys@mediaone.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: re: spree
Message-ID: <000301bf8451$475910e0$ad0d010a@bgpma.caregroup.org>
> This killing spree has to end somewhere, and if executing a
> 6 year old does it, so be it.
You know, this is a perfect example of typing without
thinking. Please re-read this sentence and realize how
ridiculous this sounds...
__Pat Sullivan_______________________
sullys@mediaone.net
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sullys/
AIM: TOWHTSTS
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:10:33 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Homer on Guns (Absolutely NDTC)
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000302085949.00a61c80@cs.millersville.edu>
Though I personally think shooting guns is good entertainment, there are
more Americans on this list than any other nationality, and, as such, our
non-U.S. brethren of the Jam have a more difficult time fighting the good
fight. To help even the playing field a little bit, here's some applicable
quotes from beloved American political and social thinker, Homer J. Simpson.
>>>
Marge: No one's using this gun! The TV said you're fifty-eight percent more
likely to shoot a family member than an intruder!
Homer: TV said that...? But I have to have a gun! It's in the Constitution!
Lisa: Dad! The Second Amendment is just a remnant from revolutionary days.
It has no meaning today!
Homer: You couldn't be more wrong, Lisa. If I didn't have this gun, the
King of England could just walk in here any time he wants, and start
shoving you around. Do you want that? Huh? Do you?
Homer: A gun is not a weapon, Marge. It's a tool. Like a butcher knife, or
a harpoon, or...uh, a...an alligator. You just need more education on the
subject. Tell you what. You come with me to an N.R.A. meeting, and if you
still don't think guns are great...we can argue some more.
Homer: I'm sorry I lied to you, Marge. But this gun had a hold on me. I
felt this incredible surge of power, like God must feel when he's holding a
gun. So please, get rid of it, because I know I'll just lie to you again
and again!
>>>
There, that should do it...
Brian
[NP...Anekdoten -- Nucleus]
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:27:26 +0100
From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Traci Lords
Message-ID: <B4E438F8.463D%jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
on 00-03-02 10.28, Vandenabeele, Hein at Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be wrote:
>
> dthomas wrote...
>>> I have heard some of the Traci Lords CD, though. And it's about what
> you'd
>>> expect it to sound like.
>
> Traci Lords ? I thought she was an totally fifferent kind of business. Also
> with all kinds of vocal noises, but singing ???
>
> Is it the same girl ???
>
> HeinV
>
Unfortunately, Yes...
Were do You think she got her microphone technique from?
Cheers,
Janne
-- #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:43:02 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: YOU WANT SUMMA THIS??????????? heheheheh Message-ID: <38BE7DF6.389EAC9C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
gaz, the impaler:
> I really don't know why, perhaps it's part of the American culture ?
Three words, pooch: Port Arthur Massacre
Open your eyes, Nicholas
yet another aussie :) wrote:
> Joe Pass - this guy is incredible. he plays solo jazz guitar (chord melody)
He can't still be alive, can he? I saw him close almost 20 years ago and he was something like 80 then! You are right though, he was something to behold. After his first piece, he announced over the mic that he'd like the soundman to turn the volume down, please :)
Regards, Jon
Despite my utter distate for the third person - I have enough split personalities to deal with already ;) - I find myself drawn into Korg's hypnotic sigs, so with that:
Jon thinks that if Dream Theater doesn't get their arses down under soon, a bunch of Left Wing Commie Pinko Aussie Militia - led by gaz's standing army of course - shall begin targeted strikes at the Koala population.
Korg, is there really any need anymore to put '.mp3' on the end the song? The extra 4 bytes are boggin' down the 300 baud modem, and the known planets are already quite aware you have no CDs anyways :)
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:44:04 -0500 From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Nationalist snobbery Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1E1B@HQEXS01>
>Actually, from my experience, it's cuz the Americans are always shoving it >in their face at every opportunity and flaunting OUR superiority. There's >not a day that goes by without some politician, business-man, or reporter >talking about how much better we are then every other country in the world. >Personally, it gets on my nerves, and I'm an American! Down with imperialism!
It's because America IS the best country in the world. I think so. So should you. All Americans should think so. EVERYONE SHOULD think they live in the best country in the world. Brits should think that their country rules. Aussies should think that Australia just kicks ass. The French should believe that France is the creme de la creme. And so on. If you think that another country is better than yours, then you should do everything in your power to move there and, if possible, become a citizen of THAT country. The problem is that NONE of us should be telling other countries that our way is better and trying to change them. Europeans, Asians, Australians, etc. do not and can not understand our culture, and, therefore have no right to comment on how we do things (within our borders). Similarly, we Americans have no right to tell them they should do things our way. Personally, I think labor unions in France wield entirely too much power; however, I should probably not try to tell the French that they need to change that, because I don't understand their history and culture enough to know why that is - nor will I ever. It's for US to decide what is best for US. If your neighbor came over to your house and started criticizing the way you raise you kids, or what rules you have in your home, I'm sure you'd tell them exactly where they could put their opinion. Similarly, I'm not about to tell the UK how they should handle issues with their "problem children" in Northern Ireland, and I expect them to return the courtesy.
Personally, if I wanted to live in an America with stricter gun laws, I'd just move to Canada (like they'd want me!) :)
-Zircon the Blue
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:03:38 -0800 From: "Adam Yarter" <jaguirre@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5363 Message-ID: <001501bf6bfc$5c9baca0$52b3fea9@adamyart>
There's only one problem with this theory: In the U.S., you can't try somebody for the same crime twice. This means that if you really wanted to do this, you'd have to hold the kid for twelve years without trial before he was tried as an adult. That's HIGHLY illegal.
I know. Highly ilegal, but it has been done. =]. I honestly don't knwo whart to do, however, I'm sick and tired of all this killing. I mean, I've had threats against my life by some lame ass gangs around here, and I'm sick and fucking tired of all of this pointless shit, and general lack of reverance for life. Maybe they shoul dtry the parents for 0manslaughter? What does everyone think about this?
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:09:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nationalist snobbery Message-ID: <49990514dcgraham@picsel.com>
In article <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1E1B@HQEXS01>, "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> wrote: > The problem is that NONE of us should be telling other countries that > our way is better and trying to change them.
You know you're an Ancient Jammer if you remember Scott Cook going apeshit because a non-American told a Clinton joke. :-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:08:54 -0800 From: "Adam Yarter" <jaguirre@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Only In America Message-ID: <001801bf6bfd$18a7a0c0$52b3fea9@adamyart>
Well my friend, you don't live in America. At least in California, I can walk down the street to a gang who is willing ti kill me because I'm white. They will get guns no matter what legistlation says. There's nothing that can be done. Taking guns away from everyone leaves us sussecptable to the "homies wid da caps" (losers with the guns), who are more than willing to kill anyone who "disrespects the". Of course, disrespect is doing ANYTHING they don't like -- it's more of an excuse. The problem here isn't guns, it's the empithetic assholes who try to say "They don't hav a choice", "It's their only family" and shit like that, and allow it to continue.
That's what needs t change.
>That's crap, if you don't have the guns in the first place then end of >story... >Why does anyone need a gun ?
>As they say on the news here whenever there's a tragedy like this >'only in America'
>Truer words have never been spoken :)
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:34:19 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I could never see clearly at all, because I couldn't look past my own Message-ID: <38BE89FB.A54506D3@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
This is fun :)
Bradley: > Actually, from my experience, it's cuz the Americans are always shoving it > in their face at every opportunity and flaunting OUR superiority. There's
Actually, Sir Bradness, that's just the British still left in our chromosomal makeup (makeup, get it? BWHAHAHAHAH..."security, please escort this man out!"). It generally takes a little more than a couple hundred years for the mutations to eradicate the imperfections. We could use a little of that German Engineering so help speed the process of our final solution. Goddam religious persecution* genes gotta go, man! Right? And let's not forget the Haitians who come into this country and think they own the god-damned place. Right? Oops, wait how about Mustafa telling ME what the fuck is up? I'll rip his fucking head off and shit down his neck, Right? You're in America, SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH DAMNIT! Right? And what's with the Mexicans on the friggin' subway? TAKE A FUCKING SHOWER DAMNIT! Stop trying to be so friggin' European. At least they put on perfume. Oh wait!!! They bought off the self-serving Norweigian sperm whale hunters to make them smell good. Oh Shit!!! WAIT!! Is that right? I'm so confused!!! Or is that soap they use that for. No wonder there's only WHITE people up in scandanavia, they've got so much friggin whale soap! Damnit, nothing like a bigot not getting his facts straight to screw up a perfectly good ranting ("you must chop down the most personally hated cultural system with.........A RANTING!") Or perhaps just listen to Zebrowski adducting the anal folds as his sphinctre flutters by :)
PUHHHHHHLEASE.
Is this all you see?
*God, some of you people need to get out more often ;) Not directed at you Brad. It's utterly mind-boggling how much people's perceptions of the world have very little to do with what's actually going on there in the world.
HINT: There are assholes everywhere you look....so stop looking so damn hard... :)
But let's keep it going :) If the above hasn't already thouroughly convinced you, I've certainly got plenty more bullshit stuffed up my ass than most of you will ever shit in their entire lives....and I'm more than happy to keep dropping it here. Well, ok Brian's recent posts certainly made it a foot race. Made me proud *sniff* *sniff*
ok, i get it. it's all a big mind control experiment. a dream THEATER if you will playing out in my mind. /me has to stop watching so much Drew Carey, he's getting paranoid :)
Regards,
The few, the proud, the forever dumping Clydesdale :P
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:46:03 -0600 From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Atlanta show Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F03EB3A93@ustcax09.kcc.com>
Paul "The All Knowing" Cashman said:
> Uh, the Atlanta show did NOT sell out (I don't think James quite said > that, but all the bands were clearly overjoyed at the size of the > crowd....and so was I.) About 2150 tickets were sold; 2700 is a > sellout. (The Tabernacle will hold about 3300, or at least, it did > somehow for Bauhaus. Twice. :))
Gotcha. I must have misunderstood James, but the crowd was great. I really expected a Masquerade-size crowd, but it was far bigger (2100 looked about right). I don't know how they squeezed 3300 in there and, frankly, I'm glad they didn't. :)
> DT. Wow! Melody Portnoy on drums. The butchering of PMU (James got > lost, or everyone else did, and had to scrap a verse....) > James Labrie briefly on drums -- might have been his revenge :)). > Mike Portnoy even MORE briefly on guitar..... And high vox. :)
I think it was the band's fault in PMU, as opposed to James'. I was singing along and all of a sudden wasn't on the right beat, even though I've sung that song thousands of times. :)
Portnoy was trying to play "Eruption" from Van Halen as he has done at several shows in the past. He's actually played it perfectly in the past..
James was much better on drums than Portnoy was on vocals (or guitar). :)
Take care all (and see you in Orlando, Paul!)
Adam
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:01:33 -0500 From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Guns Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC018B0754@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
gaz spewed forth,
>Actually from the Americans I have met during my >travels in the Navy, I've found them to have the >'we are the USA and we are bigger and better than >you' attitude, more than any other nationality
maybe because OUR country, at least, wasn't founded by lawless prisoners. :)
Parmet mentioned...
>> But I thought is was best that I just bit my fucking tongue and kept the peace > >nick must be chomping at the bit ;)
It's killing me to show restraint. :)
>ok, i'll fan the flames too. someone mentioned about guns not being as big a >problem over in europe as here. that could be, but when i was over there, i >noticed a couple of people just having a friggin' BALL with 30KV of stun gun. >could it be thery're more into the torture aspects of it all? :O "ok, now you >just go lay down and sleep for a little while" heheheheh.
Heh - I remember being in France and walking past a little toy store... in the window they had toys. In the window RIGHT NEXT to it, there were rows (ROWS) of 9mm and .40 cal handguns. Good impression. "Daddy, I want THAT toy!" *brrrp*
The ultimate point is this: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns just make it easier for those who want to go on a massive killing spree. And maybe it's because we have more people in our country than other countries do that give us a higher percentage of people who go light up a Mickey D's with an MP5. So that means we should ban all guns?
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
Nicholas Giannotti Joint STARS Joint Program Office / ESC/JSOK Electronic Data Management / Keyfile System Resources Corporation (Support Contractor) email: giannottin@hanscom.af.mil / phone: 781-377-6915 DSN 478-6915
"Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise." - Some dead guy.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:16:24 -0500 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nationalist snobbery Message-ID: <002901bf8462$a7ac1f80$47ab889e@plymouth.edu>
]From: Herbert, Jason <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
> Asians, Australians, etc. do not and can not understand our culture, and, > therefore have no right to comment on how we do things (within our borders). <snip> > to change that, because I don't understand their history and culture enough <snip>
That may be true, but think real hard: How many of the "average gun-toting Americans" do you think REALLY understand their history and culture? Hell, half of the people I know only know who Washington is b/c he's "the dude on the money, and he cut down a tree or something..."
Average Joe American doesn't know WHY he has the freedom to sit on his back porch with a gun, a six-pack, a cigarette and a porno mag while he scratches his fat, lazy ass and curses those different from him (even though they're Americans too), he just knows he CAN.
Just ask someone: "Who was it who said 'Give me liberty, or give me death'?" "Umm......uh....." "Sorry, I thought you were a nationalistic American. Go back to your beer."
And we don't understand our culture, not really. We just think we do. All of the experts agree that the recent spree of school violence is a direct result of our culture, but NOBODY can agree on which aspect of our culture is to blame, because NO ONE FUCKING UNDERSTANDS IT.
Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:30:23 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Leeeeave the past behiiiiyiyiyiyind!!! Message-ID: <008301bf8464$ae1a04c0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>But as I said that has been in the past. Why has the 2nd generation after >WW2 still to be reminded of the cruelties their grandfathers did while >commanded by Hitler?
*chuckles* Why are 3rd and 4th generation Americans constantly reminded of the cruelties of the slavers back in the 1800s? No one alive today had anything to do with running the American slave trade industry.
"Maybe it's because people aren't so eager to forget the crimes of the past so that they will not soon be repeated again in the future." -- Authentic Korg Pearl of Wisdom [tm]
>And Korg, as much as I always love to read your posts, this time >I have to protest. Who are we to play god? We don't understand >life and the value of it, we CAN NOT degrade ourselves like that, >no matter how convinient it might be.
Explain that to all of the animals that are put to death every year simply because they attacked a human? You have to remember, people are merely animals, too. Yet, it's OK for us to kill everything else, just not each other. Ah, yes, I forgot. We are "God's chosen" now, aren't we?
>A) they probably wont try to hurt you unless you have gun B) if they >were so inhumane as to want to kill unarmed civilians they would >probably just bomb you, or come back later and gas you.
Explain that to 8 million (+/-) dead, unarmed Jews. Had the German government not taken away their right to own a weapon prior to the Holocaust, the world's population might be a bit larger than it is today. -- KorgX3 does not own a firearm, but has about 10 medieval swords. NP: Strapping Young Lad - Spirituality.mp3
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:43:50 -0600 From: Kim Howatt <Kim_Howatt@kleinschmidt.com> To: "'YTSEJAM'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: guns Message-ID: <CF039279AB93D211B64400A0C9EBCA35916B78@exchange1.kleinschmidt.com>
<<<<< Al said: Guns are not, nor have they EVER been the problem.. People are the problem.>>>>>
I couldn't agree more. We don't have guns in the house. It's a choice every individual is allowed to make in the US. If it is handled correctly, there should not be a problem. Hunting is great. I love venison. Just don't want to be the one to shoot my dinner. Funny, I have no problem catching fish or crab and having dinner.
I've shot a hunting rifle and a pistol on multiple occasions (target shooting only). The rifle was fine. I didn't care for the pistol much. It certainly made me respect the weapon, and I do know how to take care of and use a gun now.
If the US were to regulate any one part of gun ownership, I'd simply force the issue of licensed gun owners to have to pass a weapons test every year or two. Like driving, only more intense. The weapon would have to pass inspection, as well as the human using it. It will never stop illegal gun traffic, but that goes back to the issue of alcohol & drugs that Josh (I think) brought up. It may, however, educate people better. Even a few educated individuals is a success. It is a definite problem when a 6 year old gets hold of a loaded gun as easily as this child apparently did. My $.02.
Beeotch
NP - Jaye Foucher "Infectious Licks"
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Date: 2 Mar 2000 16:40:47 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Is the Doc on hir period or something? Message-ID: <20000302164047.12712.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) >>But not until we're finshed drooling over the latest >>Ibanez catalogues, though! > >Pleaze... Ibeenhads are mass produced garbage... >Petrucci finally realized it, so should >everyone else.
Well, the last time I checked, 99% of guitars ARE manufactured. And if they're garbage...Why has Petrucci (and almost any other rock guitarist of note) been playing them for twenty years? Of course they're mass-produced, so is your car you dick! That doesn't detract from them being any good!
>>>the keyboard players? Ye gadz don't >>>get me started, Kevin vs. Derek vs. Jordan... >> >>Well, I think they ALL suck....;) > >I bet they think the same of you, well, >they probably don't think of you >at all...
Doc, every single other person on this mailing list except you is capable of understanding sarcasm - and given that 80%+ of this list is American, and thus has a damned good excuse to pretend not to understand the concept of sarcasm, that's amazing. A quick tip, OK? When you see this symbol: ;) at the end of a post, it means the poster IS ONLY JOKING. That's when someone says something they don't really mean to ilicit a cheap laugh, in case you didn't know.
~Simon
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:48:48 -0600 From: Kim Howatt <Kim_Howatt@kleinschmidt.com> To: "'YTSEJAM'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: banning criminals rocks Message-ID: <CF039279AB93D211B64400A0C9EBCA35916B79@exchange1.kleinschmidt.com>
<<<<<Trent said: I think I'd rather just ban criminals than guns. >>>>>
Snake Pliskin thinks that's a great idea. Escape from It's a small small small small small small small small world ride at Disney.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:54:54 EST From: TmWhi@cs.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Third World Europeans Message-ID: <9f.27529a9.25eff6de@cs.com>
Prick.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:58:38 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Those damn europeans!!! Message-ID: <00cc01bf8468$8e748790$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Matej wrote:
>You obviously do not understand european mentality at all. >Europeans, unlike stereotype americans, do not look at >everything as if they are 'superior or inferior'. That is >so american.
See, this is why some Americans have the impression of Europeans that you are defending. In particular, the statement "That is so american" comes off as if you are feeling quite superior.
This is not a flame, just pointing out where impressions can come from... ]From your other posts, and the rest of the one I snipped this from, I know you're not an asshole... I agree with Neil, people are people. Your heritage doesn't make you an asshole. That comes entirely from within the person...
There've been plenty of posts from the American side, claiming somehow that our right to bear arms (Spock's Bears?) have bailed out European countries, which is just way off base... The aid we've sent has been our organized military forces, not a bunch of gun-toting civilians! Talk about trying to feel superior!!!
That said, the gun issue is tough here in America. It seems to me that it is too late to take away guns... More strict purchasing laws are fine, but most criminals get their guns from underground/black market sources anyway. I wonder how long ago the countries with gun control put it in place? I have no problem with citizens that have guns and don't use them to kill others... But it does seem obvious that the poor kid who was killed by the other would still be here if there wasn't a gun there to begin with... But from where we are now, how could you possibly ever make that so?
I think the real problem is that parents are just plain lousy job in general of raising kids to understand the difference between right and wrong, and the proper value of a human life. Video games (which I love) seem to impart the idea that if someone dies, you just start over... And that's just not the case in real life. Again, I'm not blaming video games, or Ozzy Osbourne lyrics... Parents have to understand the incredible responsibility they have when raising a child.
Wow, I've gone on way too long, once again. I'm gonna drink me a big glass of SHUT THE HELL UP juice now...
Paul
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Date: 2 Mar 2000 17:06:28 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Guns N' Jazzers Message-ID: <20000302170628.16429.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>Subject: cool guitar related jazz to check out
I'll check 'em out...Anyone (esp. 7-string players) heard of the fist 7-string jazzer, George van Eps? Wondering if we had some opinions on him.
>From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry >it from my cold, dead fingers. >involved a gun in some capacity or another. What I >don't get is why all those damn Euros have that smug >fucking superior attitude about everything when >America has bailed them out of more scraps than was >seen in their previous history. Just don't get it.
Um, excuse me; but to you - and indeed, every other Yank who wants to get a bit gung-ho about your "rescues" -
1. If the United States hadn't got involved with WW2, the only difference in the outcome is that Western Europe would have been ruled from Moscow for 50 years rather than Washington for 90.
2. And fuck you anyway! America only got involved because on both occaisions, they got put in the firing line by the German High Command (foolish mistake, really). And only then because they'd figured out a way to scam some money out of Europe into the bargain.
>But ah well, maybe it's part of their culture to bite >the hand that protects them. Go fig!
Maybe it's in your culture to be a bunch of fucking morons; but just becasue your ancestors were morons doesn't mean that you have to do so! Most smart people - and about 65% of Americans - have figured that bit out by now...When are *you* going to catch up?
>"I'm so blind." (Korn)
And deaf as well, if you think Korn are any good.
>Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
That can be arranged, if you wish.
And as for that kid...Just shoot the little bastard. The problem is that people aren't afraid of the law anymore. So have executions in public. People have got to get into the mindset that insanity or being unaware of the consequences of one's actions is NOT a defence. The result is still the same. If you kill someone, you will be caught and you will be executed - the law should be that simple.
~Simon
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:13:03 +0100 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: In memoriam Dan Message-ID: <200003021710.SAA28548@altair.ceu.hu>
Dan stated:
> > Yeah, and fry the jackass who gave him the gun, too. I'm all for 2nd > amendment rights, but stupid people deserve to die. ............. > > Wait... DUH!!! Stupid me, I can't believe I didn't catch it before - > you're a friggin' SOCIALIST EUROPEAN.
Dan, practice what you preach and kill yourself.
-T-Bone
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:27:28 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ibeenhads... Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF506@AMSC_NTAS>
> >From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) > >>But not until we're finshed drooling over the latest > >>Ibanez catalogues, though! > > > >Pleaze... Ibeenhads are mass produced garbage... > >Petrucci finally realized it, so should > >everyone else. > > Well, the last time I checked, 99% of guitars ARE > manufactured.
Yes, but that 1% that isn't is what most of the pro players play.
And if they're garbage...Why has Petrucci > (and almost any other rock guitarist of note) been playing > them for twenty years? Of course they're mass-produced, so > is your car you dick! That doesn't detract from them being any good!
Um, maybe ten-tweleve years, not twenty. "Rock guitarists of note" - many of whom DON'T play Ibanez anymore, actually - play them for one reason - Ibanez gave them guitars through their endorsement deals. If you compare their quality to USA Jacksons, PRSs, or pretty much any other USA made guitar in the Jem's price range (at least what I remember it to be, I haven't priced one in a while), the Ibanez stuff's build quality is pretty lame. I have played a couple of pretty decent Ibanez guitars lately - the quality seems to be coming up again - but they're still not built as well.
I'm not talking about taste in playability, here - that's personal preference. I'm talking about quality for the money - and IMO, the only company that gives less value for the money you cough up than Ibanez is Gibson. Of course, most of the guitars bought (in the U.S., anyway) all come out of the same few factories in Korea, anyway, and are essentially interchangeable, quality-wise - although it is sad that ESP's LTD line is just about as good as their regular line, and they cost 1/2 to 1/3 as much!
Now that Ibanez's endorser money is all going to keep the KoRn's of the world playing their guitars - smartly, on their part, because that's who sells guitars for them - it's nice to see JP playing real guitars - even though his model was one of the best Ibanez's. I do find it funny that virtually NOBODY gets free guitars from any of the USA companies - unless your name is Clapton (don't EVEN get me started about Fender), Van Halen (Ditto. Peavey must be paying him a LOT of money - oh, wait, he doesn't actually PLAY the POS stuff they sell with his name on it...), Santana, Friedman (Oops! Not anymore.), Mustaine, or the occasional big Jazz guy - although I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Buy a guitar that you like, that's well built, plays good, and sounds good. Do not buy one because some f**kin' rock star endorses it - you're usually NOT getting one like they play, anyway. Hell, for the money, some of the Korean stuff's pretty good - but I just spent about $200 more that you'd spen for a Korean guitar and got a USA built Jackson from 1988 in perfect condition. Of course, it won't stay like that with me playing it, but you get the idea. :)
I still dislike Ibanez - I think virtually everyone's seven string are better, too, at the same price points - but if you don't, buy away! I do get a perverse please out of watching that Floyd Rose studs rip out of the basswood body on a lot of the '80s ones, though... :)
Mike Division
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